The White House has unveiled a proposal that provides a pathway to citizenship for 1.8 million young immigrants living in the country illegally, in exchange for new restrictions on legal immigration and $25 billion in border security.Obviously, the $25 billion will include some funds for a wall. But let's move past that for now. The wall is a separate conversation.
The question seems to be, would we rather grant citizenship to people who are currently living here, or grant citizenship to more uncles, second cousins, and people randomly selected from other countries?
While for some hardliners, the answer would be neither... the truth is that either way, this is going to have to be a compromise of sorts. This one seems reasonable. Which is why I am sure those on the far right and far left flanks will be red faced and screaming over this.
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Any reasonably fair resolution will lead to more immigrants becoming legal citizens and voting Democratic. That's the real problem your side has with this.
and you're assuming we let them vote any time soon, pederast.
trump is proposing 10 - 12 years before they even become citizens. the only way they vote during that time frame is by democrats committing voter fraud to allow it.
Any reasonably fair resolution will lead to more immigrants becoming legal citizens and voting Democratic. That's the real problem your side has with this.
Actually, I would say that is the Democrat's problem.
As they continue to lose actual American votes and actual elections they realize that their only way to make up for it is to import voters.
Think about it James. Democrats garner 85% of first generation Spanish speaking Hispanics... but less than 50% of third generation English speaking Hispanics.
Once you turn off the faucet... the water is going to settle in places you don't care for
As they continue to lose actual American votes
Really....have you looked at women and their opinions about R's recently...Probably not which is why you are speaking out your ass again , But why would I expect you to do anything but make shit up....!!!! Seems to me the last 2 elections completely discount your naive tenet.....
Really....have you looked at women and their opinions about R's recently.
All I know is that 50+ percent of the white ones voted for Donald Trump.
have you looked at women and their opinions about R's recently
I have looked at the elections. We have a GOP President, a GOP House, and a GOP Senate... and the Democrats are in the worst shape (as a percentage of power) as they have been in a hundred years.
As far as the polls are concerned... you should go over to that Special Counsel thread.
There is a guy over there that is telling us that polls can be biased and prone to manipulation.
Perhaps you can argue with him... that he is wrong.
menstral cramps claims he knows something.....
All I know is that 50+ percent of the white ones voted for Donald Trump.
Once again cramps proves his bigotry with stupid comments like the above !!!!!
Never give the Schumer/Position team eactly what they asked for , they will reject the deal and only demand more.
Why did hillary do so poorly with woman voters?
Sept 12, 2017 · “I believe absent Comey, I might've picked up 1 or 2 points among white women,” she said. "
D said...
Why did hillary do so poorly with woman voters?
Because she was a shtik candidate and trump won......Now, women are abandoning the R party with assholes like Moore and Trump leading the charge and idiots like you who marry pigs.....
Ch, why have you stopped saying that the report that Trump actually TRIED to fire Mueller was "nonsense"?
Yep, donnie is making big impressions at Davos.....being booed seems to be following him around like stink on shit......LOLOLOL
Davos Economic Forum attendees booed President Donald Trump at an appearance on Friday in which he criticized the media as “fake.”
Trump told world political and business leaders at the annual gathering in Switzerland that as a businessman, he received positive media coverage, but once he launched his presidential campaign in 2015, he realized that reporters were “nasty” and “fake,” eliciting boos from people in the audience.
“It wasn’t until I became a politician that I realized how nasty, how mean, how vicious and how fake the press can be ― as the cameras start going off in the back,” Trump said. The president frequently makes the false claim that television cameras don’t air his anti-media remarks.
Some reporters
WOMEN
09/27/2017 05:45 pm ET
Michelle Obama Has Some Words For Women Who Voted Against Hillary Clinton
It's about the voice you choose to listen to.
By Cavan Sieczkowski
Fifty-three percent of white women and 42 percent of women overall voted for President Donald Trump rather than Hilary Clinton in the 2016 election. And Michelle Obama has some thoughts as to why.
The former first lady was a speaker at the Inbound marketing conference in Boston, Massachusetts, Wednesday, where she sat down for a Q&A with author Roxane Gay. During the conversation, she broached the subject of women who chose to vote for Trump instead of Clinton.
“Quite frankly we saw this in this election, as far as I’m concerned. Any woman who voted against Hillary Clinton voted against their own voice in a way,” she said. “To me, it doesn’t say as much about Hillary Clinton ― and everybody’s trying to wonder. Well, what does it mean for Hillary? ― No, no, no. What does it mean for us as women? That we look at those two candidates, as women, and many of us said, ‘That guy. He’s better for me. His voice is more true to me.’ Well, to me that just says you don’t like your voice. You like the thing you’re told to like.”
Right, Moochelle
GDP unexpectedly slows down in the 4th quarter...Preliminary number 2.7%
Can't wait to hear the BS spin on how good this is....LOLOLOLOLOLOL
KD again posts something everyone knows... Too bad R women are leaving the party in masses which his post does not address. LOLOLOL
Davos, winning Bigly over Globalist, sure they booed, so what,it is what they do.
"making the United States a more attractive place to invest. “America is open for business, and we are competitive once again,” he said.
GDP unexpectedly slows down in the 4th quarter...Preliminary number 2.7%
It was only 1.5% in my final year. Trump's economy in 2017 was 55% higher than mine.
Polls are not facts. Dopie files to learn.
IF, polls were facts President Hillary would be in Davos.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/25134/poll-2018-women-college-degrees-fleeing-gop-hank-berrien
Yep, seems women are starting to smarten up and ridding themselves of idiots like the kansas pig lover....
US economic growth slows in fourth-quarter on surging imports
U.S. economic growth unexpectedly slowed in the fourth quarter.
Gross domestic product increased at a 2.6 percent annual rate.
The economy grew 2.3 percent in 2017, an acceleration from the 1.5 percent logged in 2016.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/26/gdp-q4-2017-first-reading.html
"I'm told the president never told McGahn to fire Mueller, and McGahn never threatened to quit over it."
If firing an FBI director or special counsel was a criminal act, then the constitution wouldn't allow it.
If firing an FBI director or special counsel was a criminal act, then the constitution wouldn't allow it.
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show me an instance where the constitution mattered to a liberal.
Christiane Amanpour report on President Trump was to her shock. The would leads praised Pres. TRUMP.
Jim Acosta took a deep breath and reported positively on Trump,.
Dopie never has an original ideate.
Now that the muslim obama's pic with louis Farrakhan is out he claims to be a liberal jew.
What a horse's ass.
And its looking like he might be more likely to be indicted than Trump. All the secret society illegality might have worked if hillary had won. But she was a historically bad candidate and lost to s guy who never should have won.
But he did and the country is already better for it.
Yep
KD adds more poor spelling...
Dopie never has an original ideate.
Ideate???? You sure are correct about that, asshole....
0h, I have said it time and again now. It is my job to educate the lesser among us, aka Dopie.
It means to have an idea.
Clueless Dopie
Dow pops 224 points, stocks notch record close on strong earnings
The Dow, S&P 500 and Nasdaq hit record highs on Friday.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/26/us-stocks-gdp-economy-trump.html
It means to have an idea.
Whatever you say, asshole pig wife...You really are just too smart for us mere mortals....go buy some JC Penney....LOL
BTW, fuck you....
Yep, HB and his buddy Krugman are left wondering.
Dow pops 224 points, stocks notch record close on strong earnings
GDP was still a fail at 2.6% considerably short of the 3% promised and you all coming in your shorts last month!!!!!....LOLOLOL
Liberals are gitty about the 4th 2.6% GDP as a sign from Gawd that President Trump is a failure and US Economy is failing.
Yet. It is better then 5 of Obimbonomics last two years GDP Quarters.
Last month" Oh Gawd so stupid.
GDP is a quarterly report.
GDP is a quarterly report.
GDP is reported quarterly and your point is????
President Trump is a failure and US Economy is failing.
No disagreement of you calling trump a failure....no one said the economy was failing, but your dreams of a promised 3% annual rate just took another hit as you wipe the cum off your hands....LOLOLOL Dayum you are dumb!!~!!
. It is better then 5 of Obimbonomics last two years GDP Quarters.
And worse than the 8 quarters Obama had 3% growth or better....KD the idiot got caught being stupid again.......
Head of the RNC finance committee is being accused with multiple cases of sexual abuse....another R bites the dust.....wonder when the R's will have the ballz to fire his sorry ass....too funny!!!! Another slime ball will sure help with women voters supporting the party....
8 quarter in 8 years, ok
Trump in one year scored 2 quarters of 3 + GDP., or 25 % as obimbo did .
8 quarter in 8 years, ok
So you are denying Obama kicked trumps ass for 8 quarters?? And once again your convenient memory ignores the fact that trump had a growing economy when he started thanx to obama, and obama had a recession that was shedding 800k jobs a month thanx to your idol busch.....yer an idiot, but you know that. LOL
Reasonable perhaps, except that the more sane among us would rather not waste $25 Billion on a wall. Which is probably just seed money to get it started.
Trump in one year scored 2 quarters of 3 + GDP., or 25 % as obimbo did .
So fucking what.....that can be attributed to a growing economy that his predecessor left behind...you really are getting desperate with trying to rationalize your idiot in chief non accomplishment....
Fedex, joins mega companies like Walmart, Apple, The Home Depot in passing on tax cuts to workers purses and wallets.
"FedEx announced wage increases, employee bonuses and pension funding on Friday, citing the new Republican-backed tax-reform plan.
The company announced that two-thirds of $200 million in increased compensation will go to hourly employees, while the remainder will be put toward performance-based incentive plans for salaried employees.
FedEx also said $1.5 billion will be put toward the company's pension plan and another $1.5 billion would go toward expanding the company's hub in Indianapolis.
Fed ex offering a pension plan is a miracle in itself. $ 200 million for 400k employees is what....???? diddly squats....since you don't work there, who really gives a shit?????
President Trump's first year.
2.5 % GDP. Far better then the average of the lost years.
DURABLE Goods soar.
Macro Economics is far over the tiny IQ of the four Liberal stooges of CHT.
Your 400k employee number is in error given the FedEx announcement.
ABC and NBC both ignored the story of hillary protecting her sexual harrasser staffer
ABC and NBC both ignored the story of tbe photo of obama and his friend, the jew hating louis Farrakhan being hidden all these years.
But both networks found time to report on Steve Wynne. Why? Because he's a republican.
That's why Trump voters support him. He's right about all the media bias.
😂POLITICS
Maxine Waters Is Giving A National Address On BET After Trump’s State Of The Union
Get your popcorn ready.😂
James Boswell of Normal, Illinois is a pedophile.
hat's why Trump voters support him. He's right about all the media bias.
The reason why trump voters support him is that they have their heads stuck up donnie's ass!!!! Anyone seen malodorous with donnie???? Seems she is missing in action and rumored to be living in a hotel because of the hooker pay off.....Too funny!!!
Despite Stormy Daniels and ‘s-hole,’ most in the GOP say Trump is a ‘good role model’
Proving beyond a reasonable doubt, most R are brainwashed....Just look around here....That is like saying Charles Barkley is a role model for kids.....LOLOLOLOL
Unlike Juanita Broaddrick, Stormy Daniels wasn't raped.
She doesn't even claim she had sex with Trump. In fact, she denies it.
Try again.
Isn't that what she was paid to say?
#Metoo
Hillary failed to protect woman on her failed campaign.
Menstral cramps posits....
She doesn't even claim she had sex with Trump.
Anyone notice the absence of malodorous since the story broke/??? I guess she was paid 130k for shits and giggles....
asswipe KD once again post a half story....
Hillary failed to protect woman on her failed campaign.
Her and the campaign followed all protocols and got the guy help...Obviously was a wasted effort but nonetheless they were proactive in responding to the complain...Unlike trump who forked over 130 k to buy silence...LOL
Wonder what donnie and the R's are going to do about one of the largest donors to the party and his exploits of women???? Will they give the money back like they demanded of the D's? Will they fire him from his committee job? Or stick their heads up their collective asses??? BTW, in case you forgot KD the joke, Hillary lost bigly!!!! LOLOLOL
She doesn't even claim she had sex with Trump. In fact, she denies it.
Try again.
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Okay:
“I actually don’t even know why I did it, but I do remember while we were having sex, I was like, ‘Please, don’t try to pay me,’ ” said Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford.
She also said sex with Trump was nothing special, merely "textbook generic," and that she could describe peculiarities about his nakedness and that she had a few more sexual encounters with him later.
James Boswell of Normal, Illinois is a pedophile.
Trump and his lawyer have said no affair took place, and a statement the lawyer sent to the Journal that was signed by “Stormy Daniels” denied she had a “sexual and/or romantic affair” with Trump.
“Rumors that I have received hush money from Donald Trump are completely false,” the statement said.
I think that about covers it.
Wasn't that also something she was paid to say?
Is this the story the 4worthlessliberalstooges of CHT are hoping ends The Trump Presidency?
Of course not, why would a prostitute story end a presidency? It's just another example of Trump misbehaving, solving his problem with money and lying about it. Not much difference there from standard Trump modus.
You need to up your game - a lot - before even dreaming about calling people "liberal stooges".
LOL@WP
nah i'm good
Having you admit you're a liberal stooge is kinda cool, so thanks.
His denial isn't worth $0.02.
Nevermind the woman also denied it. Roger must believe the story is true since it fits his prejudices so nicely.
Wasn't that also something she was paid to say?
If she was paid anything, I would say she was paid to say nothing.
But I will note, that the WSJ and other news outlets that said she signed an NDA has failed to produce the NDA she was supposed to have signed.
Meanwhile, Trump's lawyers produce a statement that she signed under oath that denied any sexual affair.
In court that is called a preponderance of evidence.
Is it a preponderance? Seriously, CS. You refer to a statement by Trump's lawyers. Evidently, on the other side, we have her account, corroborating witnesses of the affair, a passed polygraph test. In court (your stipulation), the lawyer's statement is overwhelmed by the other side. Lawyers claim whatever they want to, but that almost never weighs against the evidence.
Congrats WP.
You refer to a statement by Trump's lawyers.
I refer to the signed statement by Stormy Daniels herself.
If you believe it's a forgery then you should say so. But you should have evidence to back it up.
I do not believe it is a forgery and it is in fact what she attested to.
Most likely the signed statement was a term of the settlement. In other words, she was paid to say that. It is standard operating procedure with settlements. An NDA or non-disparagement as well. I myself have several, both employment related and civil. They would have no bearing in a court (which is also something that only you have insisted on), and would not impeach contrary testimony in court if they WERE brought up.
No one suggested it was a forgery - why do you even bring that up?
You cannot compel a false statement under oath as part of an NDA. It is suborning perjury and it would be illegal and unenforceable.
It would be nice if you had something more than just speculation.
What court was this document rendered to, "under oath", under what court case? Who administered this "oath"? Unless you can answer, there is no "under oath".
Where has Stormy Daniels testified "under oath"?
It was just a paper that Stormy Daniels signed as part of a settlement. It's meaningless in your court scenario.
Affidavits are signed in law offices and other places all the time under oath. They don't not need a court case or court supervision.
You sign your tax return yearly attesting the information in it is true to the best of your knowledge under penalty of perjury.
Your argument is irrelevant.
The original story from Stormy (from 2011) suggested she had a one night stand with Trump, largely because she found him to be fascinating, charming, and that they had been engaged in some very good intelligent banter that apparently attracted her to him.
She goes to his apartment. They have dinner. She goes to the bathroom. He gets undressed and goes to his bedroom. She comes out of the bathroom and goes into the bedroom and has sex with him. She claims it was basic one position sex. "What you would expect from a guy his age". She offers that "it wasn't bad. Don't get me wrong".
There is some implication (if you read deep enough between the lines) that Trump was offering her a spot on the Celebrity Apprentice, and that she might have sex with him to grease the wheels on that. But she never comes right out and says so.
Probably just one of those examples of the many many beautiful women throwing themselves at the Donald (as he suggested in the now famous Trump/Bush ET secret tape).
So yea... if you find it reasonable that a porn star like Stormy would find Donald Trump so fascinating as to have sex with him on your first private encounter... then you go with it.
Personally... I guess it really doesn't matter one way or the other. Kennedy had Marilyn Monroe, Trump had Stormy Daniels (maybe),\ and Clinton had... um Monica Lewinski.
"Affidavits are signed in law offices and other places all the time under oath"
These things are signed all the time, with no oath at all. You're just bullshitting now.
A signed statement is vastly different than an "affidavit signed under oath". You have exactly zero reason to believe the latter, except that you really, really want to believe it.
So yea... if you find it reasonable that a porn star like Stormy would find Donald Trump so fascinating as to have sex with him on your first private encounter... then you go with it.
I've got no problem at all with Trump having sex with a porn star, nor with her reasons for doing it. It's not going to "bring down" his Presidency. I don''t think there are any legalities involved. As far as I'm concerned, it just another typical Trump behavior, probably exploiting his position for a little fun, and exploiting his wealth to bury it.
His supporters will just babble about "signed affidavits" that only exist in their imaginations and deny the whole thing, and everyone else sees it as morally bankrupt, same Trump as always. It doesn't change anything.
These things are signed all the time, with no oath at all. You're just bullshitting now.
You're quite wrong, affidavits are always under oath and penalty of perjury.
A signed statement is vastly different than an "affidavit signed under oath". You have exactly zero reason to believe the latter, except that you really, really want to believe it.
You mean except for the fact the affidavit exist and it was signed in the presents of witnesses and that no one in the world except you denies that it exist.
There's a point when your denial of facts become unhealty and psychotic.
It's not an affidavit. Read it yourself. https://70news.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/porn-star-stormy-daniels-denies-trump-paid-money-in-2016/
Have you ever even signed a real affidavit? Submitted one in court? I doubt it, or else you'd know better than this nonsense.
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