Today, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) reiterates its continued and unwavering commitment to the ethical principle known as “The Goldwater Rule.” We at the APA call for an end to psychiatrists providing professional opinions in the media about public figures whom they have not examined, whether it be on cable news appearances, books, or in social media. Armchair psychiatry or the use of psychiatry as a political tool is the misuse of psychiatry and is unacceptable and unethical.
The ethical principle, in place since 1973, guides physician members of the APA to refrain from publicly issuing professional medical opinions about individuals that they have not personally evaluated in a professional setting or context. Doing otherwise undermines the credibility and integrity of the profession and the physician-patient relationship. Although APA’s ethical guidelines can only be enforced against APA members, we urge all psychiatrists, regardless of membership, to abide by this guidance in respect of our patients and our profession.
A proper psychiatric evaluation requires more than a review of television appearances, tweets, and public comments. sychiatrists are medical doctors; evaluating mental illness is no less thorough than diagnosing diabetes or heart disease. The standards in our profession require review of medical and psychiatric history and records and a complete examination of mental status. Often collateral information from family members or individuals who know the person well is included, with permission from the patient.Meanwhile, you have a handful of psychologists pushing back. Some are even suggesting that making random armchair psychiatric diagnosis regarding the President is their "duty" as "professionals".
APA is ready to make recommendations from among our 37,000 psychiatrist members, physicians who have the knowledge, training, expertise, discretion, and objectivity to perform a thorough and apolitical evaluation. Using psychiatry for political or self-aggrandizing purposes is stigmatizing for our patients and negatively impacts our profession.
Ultimately, it's just another example where a select few Trump haters are willing to damage the credibility of their entire field for their own personal vendettas of hate.
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US President Donald Trump's complaints about immigrants coming to the US from "shithole countries" prompted condemnation from around the world.
In the US, Democrat and Republican lawmakers criticized Trump's comments as "divisive" and "unacceptable," while Haiti, one of the countries explicitly named by Trump, summoned the top US diplomat to discuss the President's remarks.
Trump's remarks come as Haiti prepares to commemorate eight years since a 7.0-magnitude earthquake killed hundreds of thousands of people and displaced many more.
As a result of the disaster, citizens of Haiti were accorded Temporary Protected Status, granted to individuals from countries where conditions such as war, natural disasters or political strife prevent citizens from returning safely.
Former Haitian President Laurent Lamothe said the "world is witnessing a new low today" and called Trump's remarks "totally unacceptable!"
"It shows a lack of respect and ignorance never seen before in the recent history of the US by any President," Lamothe tweeted.
Nepal, which became a Temporary Protected Status nation after an earthquake in 2015, said authorities were discussing their response to the matter.
The country's Foreign Minister Bharat Raj Paudyal told CNN "we are aware of President Trump's comments, and our ministry is discussing the matter."
On Twitter, former Mexican President and longtime Trump critic Vicente Fox said the US leader's mouth "is the foulest shithole in the world."
Jane, you spamming again and quoting Marxist and Communist.
They most closely mirror your political views, just like all Dems in the US House and Senate
The APA is quite worried about their professional standing with the public.
Unfortunately this won't stop unless there are professional sanctions against the psychiatrists who are violating the Goldwater rule.
This is not just incomenpetence, it is actual collusion for a hostile foreign government. It's looking more and more like Obama was a puppet of Iran. That is the real scandel.
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According to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida, three years ago the Obama Administration warned the Iranian government that Israel was about to assassinate Qassem Soleimani, the commander of the Quds Force, the overseas arm of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, in Damascus.
Al-Jarida asserts that the incident “sparked a sharp disagreement between the Israeli and American security and intelligence apparatuses regarding the issue."
The Quds force has provided military assistance to Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza; Soleimani was designated as a supporter of terrorism by the State Department in 2007 for his connections to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which was outspoken about wanting to proliferate ballistic missiles capable of carrying WMDs.
The State Department asserted that the Quds Force itself supported terrorism, writing, “The Qods Force, a branch of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC; aka Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps), provides material support to the Taliban, Lebanese Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC).” Last August, Brig. Gen. Ismail Ghaani, the deputy commander of the Quds Force, bragged that his operatives had killed more Americans than U.S. troops had killed Iranian fighters.
More evidence that Obama was Iran's puppet.
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yale psychiatrist, cnn guest and latest liberal darling bandy ree seems to have disappeared from the interwebs after her possession of a medical license was called into question.
James Boswell of Normal, Illinois is a pedophile.
Signed,
Rev Jim Boswell
Obama was the first President in my life time that I knew was working g against Israel and The USA.
"Jane, you spamming again and quoting Marxist and Communist."
He always had trouble dealing with reality such as President Trump following such a shithole president as Obama was.
and that's a big fucking deal
ROFLMFAO !!!
It's looking more and more like Obama was a puppet of Iran.
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well, skeets did tell the world that the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of i-slam, and he also told us that to him, the sweetest sound of all was the moose-limb call to prayer.
so yeah, i think 0linsky was a full-fledged, card carrying tool for moose-limb terrorists.
It looked like a good post util the last sentence: "a select few Trump haters are willing to damage the credibility of their entire field for their own personal vendettas of hate."
That ruins the credibility of the posting. They may be concerned patriotic citizens, rather than "Trump haters". There isn't necessarily any component of "hate" involved, no vendetta, no politics. These could all be their objective professional opinions.
It should also be noted that most, if not all, of the commentary by psychiatrists about Trump's mental status were NOT diagnosis, but more in the nature of observations. Dr Bandy Lee who briefed some members of Congress did transgress the rule, IMO.
"Trump haters are willing to damage the credibility of their entire field for their own personal vendettas of hate."
We see it here every dang day.
Not surprised by their hatred, but the bitterness here is a little surprising.
"More evidence that Obama was Iran's puppet."
Not exactly a surprise, eh.
The average worker in Africa is 1,300 USD.
Life expectancy 47 .
Three largest killers
War
Starvation
Water borne illness
Ya, shit hole was being too kind.
Yeah calling all Liberals, again it is with great pleasure I prove you ALL wrong.
US inflation was calm for all of 2017.
bandy ree rounded up 27 of her colleagues to offer diagnoses of trump available on amazon. so no, ree did not act alone.
https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
Obama carried out " The Dreams of My Father". Not the Dreams of our founding Fathers.
Lord WP you're a bigger apologist than Baghdad Bob was for Saddam Hussain.
Of course they were Trump haters, violating their ethics to broch a public opinion is more than just being "a concern patriotic citizen".
And make no mistake they were not just observations but conclusions from people who have professional training in the field and would have the force and credibility of a diagnosis.
That is a dangerous and unethical practice and it is what the APA added the Goldwater rule into their cannon of ethics.
yes, phrases like "select few Trump haters" and "their own personal vendettas of hate" are pretty bitter. That's one reason why I think it ruined the credibility of his blog post. The other reason is the lack of any cited support - he just states his conclusion with nothing supporting that it's only a few, or that they hate Trump, or of any personal vendettas.
Why does a defense of Trump require characterizing legitimate criticism as "hatred" and "bitterness" and "personal vendettas"? I think it's when they develop an emotional attachment to their opinions, and that degrades their capacity for logical, objective evaluation.
That ruins the credibility of the posting. They may be concerned patriotic citizens, rather than "Trump haters". There isn't necessarily any component of "hate" involved, no vendetta, no politics. These could all be their objective professional opinions.
Sure, WP... and it could be that they are little green aliens disguised as psychologists as well.
It's an absolute fact that what they are doing is damaging the credibility of their field. It's why the APA felt it necessary to reiterate their ethical guidelines in such a specific manner.
Not admitting as much, is a clear indication of your lack of objectivity.
Observations and even conclusions are not the same as a psychiatric diagnosis. The Goldwater Rule has been interpreted the AMA more broadly than written, but even in that expanded interpretation it does not prohibit all professional commentary.
Why does a defense of Trump require characterizing legitimate criticism as "hatred" and "bitterness" and "personal vendettas"?
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oh, i don't know wp...
perhaps because that precedent was set during the previous administration? every single legitimate criticism of BHO was dismissed as "hatred" and "bitterness" and "personal vendettas" with a heaping helping of "racism!!!" slathered on top.
Good case in point. He has to resort to the sarcastic "it could be that they are little green aliens disguised as psychologists as well" to defend his "personal vendettas" of "Trump haters" claim - and clearly the reason for that is that he can provide no actual support for that.
People do that when they have an emotional attachment to an opinion, which they cannot objectively justify.
Observations and even conclusions are not the same as a psychiatric diagnosis.
Most people and especially the mainstream media would say that's a distinction without out a diffrence.
And so would the medical board if they were ever brought up on ethics charges.
Good case in point. He has to resort to the sarcastic "it could be that they are little green aliens
Baghdad Bob lives!!!
perhaps because that precedent was set during the previous administration? ... criticism of BHO was dismissed as "hatred" and "bitterness" and "personal vendettas"
So was your criticism of Obama actually hatred, bitterness and personal vendetta, or did you think that was an incorrect characterization? It that was wrong then, how does that grant validity now?
Well we know Obama wasn't crazy or mentally ill.
He deliberately and with malice of forethought betrayed the United States to Iran.
Most people and especially the mainstream media would say (regarding "Observations and even conclusions are not the same as a psychiatric diagnosis.") that's a distinction without out a diffrence.
Whatever "most people" might incorrectly believe has no bearing on whether a medical professional has violated his code of ethics.
Most people and especially the mainstream media would say that's a distinction without out a diffrence.
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precisely. which is exactly why bandy ree was the 'media darling of the week.' her commentary WAS passed off as professional diagnoses. hence the APA feeling the need to release a statement.
and of course, as with most liberal "experts," as soon as they're subjected to a little scrutiny, they scatter like cockroaches with the flip of a light switch.
Observations and even conclusions are not the same as a psychiatric diagnosis. The Goldwater Rule has been interpreted the AMA more broadly than written, but even in that expanded interpretation it does not prohibit all professional commentary.
Well there are two opinions on this one:
1) The APA's opinion, just recently shared in writing with their membership in a very specific (this is about Donald Trump) manner...
2) The opinion of those who are providing their arm chair diagnosis.
I happen to believe that the APA would have a more credible understanding of a rule that they put in place... vs the defense from those who appear to be violating it.
So was your criticism of Obama actually hatred, bitterness and personal vendetta, or did you think that was an incorrect characterization?
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c'mon wp, you can troll better than that.
Whatever "most people" might incorrectly believe has no bearing on whether a medical professional has violated his code of ethics.
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actually it has direct bearing. when cnn presents a yale psychiatrist to offer commentary on trump's mental state, they're offering the opinion of a credentialed professional in the field. the intent of cnn is for the psychiatrist's commentary to be viewed and interpreted as a diagnosis.
once again, hence the APA's need to publish a statement.
The APA rules explicitly allow for "the right to speak one's conscience regarding concerns about the psychological stability of high office holders"
The "other" APA, American Psychological Association, tells psychologists to make sure that their public statements "are based on their professional knowledge, training or experience in accord with appropriate psychological literature and practice"
So it isn't actually a case of "the APA's position" vs "arm chair diagnosis".
There is nothing wrong, from either organization's rules of ethics, with a professional voicing his concerns about a public figure's mental health.
when cnn presents a yale psychiatrist to offer commentary on trump's mental state, they're offering the opinion of a credentialed professional in the field. the intent of cnn is for the psychiatrist's commentary to be viewed and interpreted as a diagnosis.
I'd say that CNN's "intent" is more likely to present the expert opinion of a professional. Some people disregard experts, others take them seriously. Your choice.
There is nothing wrong, from either organization's rules of ethics, with a professional voicing his concerns about a public figure's mental health.
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without the benefit of an actual psychological examination, there's a lot wrong with it.
those concerns are designed to drive fear, uncertainty and doubt on the part of the recipient of the concerns. and it's part of the broader effort to take trump down via public opinion. the fact is, true psychiatric professionals wouldn't touch the trump issue with a 100 ft pole. liberal academic hacks otoh, leap at the chance to put their 2 cents out there for public consumption.
discretion is the better part of valor.
WP,write the perfect paragraph in your own words for this thread.
You have the skill, right?
c'mon wp, you can troll better than that.
What are you talking about? People called you an "Obama hater" with a "personal agenda" for your legitimate criticism, therefore criticism of Trump is all "Trump hater" and personal agenda - that's what you told me. And you think that *I* am trolling for pointing out that their being wrong then means that you're wrong now?
Is this the new thing, crying "troll" every time someone points out a logical failure?
There is nothing wrong, from either organization's rules of ethics, with a professional voicing his concerns about a public figure's mental health.
Seriously?
That flies in the face of the fact that they just made a public stated specifically making the case that such a thing is not only wrong, but is damaging to the industry as a whole.
without the benefit of an actual psychological examination, there's a lot wrong with it.
Not according the the rules of ethics you and CH are citing there isn't.
In fact the American Psychiatric association doesn't even have a Goldwater rule.
After posting a 32% gain in 2017.
WP,bought shorts on Walmart.
Walmart up $1.04 today, making WP short options worth less.
The letter comes from the American Psychiatric Association, WP...
https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom/news-releases/apa-calls-for-end-to-armchair-psychiatry
Are you suggesting that you understand their policies better than they do?
Nancy Polosi called the meeting a group of 5 white men getting ready to Open a Hamburger Shop.
In fact the American Psychiatric association doesn't even have a Goldwater rule.
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Text of APA’s Ethics Annotation Known as ‘Goldwater Rule’
https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom/goldwater-rule
Are you suggesting that you understand their policies better than they do?
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and now, on the balance beam, representing the united states in the 2018 semantics olympics, wp hamilton.
'and the crowd goes wild!'
APA’s formal response came in 1973 with the adoption of Section 7.3 in the Principles of Medical Ethics with Annotations Especially Applicable to Psychiatry, which became known as the Goldwater Rule.
The rule applies to public figures and states: “[I]t is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement” (see sidebar).
The episode and the subsequent adoption of Section 7.3 appear to have dampened the enthusiasm of most APA members for a repeat performance, leaving psychiatric diagnosis to the media.
https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom/goldwater-rule
heh
Rat the hole posted
'and the crowd goes wild!'
As WP once again shows the world how naive and lost our Rat Hole is as WP's shoe is removed from the rats ass....LOLOLOLOL
Democrat Dick-head Turban, told the milk lapping press he never heard suck bad language as Pres. Trump used.
History lesson.
"That pissant little Country" LBJ speaking about Vietnam.
i said semantics olympics, not fucktard olympics, d0pie.
how's your daughter mary jane rotten crotch? is she still running a small bakery "down there"?
I've never shorted any stock, and I've never made a stock purchase that didn't rise in value. The only losses I've ever had were 3rd party managed funds, and I'd hedged those by splitting investments with a more aggressive one.
So no, I haven't shorted Walmart. Walmart just killed 10% of their Sam's Clubs, firing thousands of employees, someone probably got a bonus for that and I wouldn't expect it to hurt their stock value.
A short term advantage for a given company's stock price isn't always good for the US economy. I've tried to get this point across before, and even an entire index rising isn't necessarily proof of health. It's one indicator.
Ironically Trump had just tweeted about the "Great News" of Walmart's PR announcement of higher wages. This contraction and firing of likely 10,000 workers is a realignment in reaction to the 2018 tax package (or so they said) and more pertinently to the tightening labor market.
WP opined correctly....
and clearly the reason for that is that he can provide no actual support for that.
A typical tactic used by CH... When in doubt, act as if it is fact.....And once again, he gets caught, spins and spins until he convinces himself to the veracity of his opinion and will never admit an error just like trump, menstral cramp and rat while KD obsesses over what he thinks people have said when they don't.
Text of APA’s Ethics Annotation Known as ‘Goldwater Rule’
I'm refering to the American Psychoanalytic Association (APsaA). No Goldwater rule, and no intention to implement one.
Rat the Asshole stated...
i said semantics olympics, not fucktard olympics, d0pie.
Call someone who gives a shit idiot...
"https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom/goldwater-rule"
LOL. The rule that isn't.
Are you suggesting that you understand their policies better than they do?
I am suggesting that professional opinion is varied even among members of that organization, and that their rule does not govern members of other organizations.
Furthermore I suggest that you have made a logical leap here, reasoning that since their letter refers to "the use of psychiatry as a political tool", that ANY opinion from ANY psychiatrist is prohibited. Is "armchair psychiatry". I dispute the validity of your logical leap.
LOL. The rule that isn't.
I'm refering to the American Psychoanalytic Association (APsaA). No Goldwater rule, and no intention to implement one.
And the American Psychological Association (APA) which also has a rule but explicitly acknowledges the right of commentary of political figures.
President Trump is denying reports, from NPR and other news outlets, that in a Thursday meeting at the White House, he disparaged African nations as "shithole countries" and questioned why the United States would admit immigrants from them and other nations, like Haiti.
Trump told lawmakers that the U.S. should instead seek out more immigrants from countries like Norway.
A White House statement issued Thursday notably did not deny that Trump used the vulgarity to refer to African countries, but on Friday morning, Trump shifted gears.
"This was not the language used," Trump said in a tweet.
Trump then denied he said "anything derogatory" about Haitians or Haiti except that it's a "very poor and troubled country."
But, in addition to the reports from multiple news outlets about the language used by the president, Illinois Democrat Dick Durbin confirmed the president's remarks.
Your dishonesty is overwhelming.
The American Psychoanalytic Association takes the position that psychoanalysts should offer relevant
psychoanalytic insights to aid the public in understanding a wide range of phenomena in politics, the
arts, popular culture, history, economics, and other aspects of human affairs. The added depth of
understanding that psychoanalytic commentary can provide regarding public affairs benefits society
and the profession. However, the American Psychoanalytic Association expects psychoanalysts to
exercise extreme caution when making statements to the media about public figures. Respect for the
limits of psychoanalytic inference about individuals one does not know and has not interviewed indepth
is essential."
No one believes Turbin Durbin, creeper.
The problem with Trump's outburst isn't really how he describes those countries. Well that's a problem, but not the main problem. The real issue is that Trump just assumes that people coming from those countries are automatically less valuable to our society. Because they lived in "shitholes" they aren't worthy.
It might be racism, or it might be Trump's expression of a fundamental attitude that a person's worth is determined by his wealth. Either way, it's not something that we want from our President.
psychoanalysts should offer relevant psychoanalytic insights to aid the public in understanding a wide range of phenomena in politics,
Is the salient part of that.
In other words, offering those insights into public figures IS NOT "armchair psychiatry", not according to American Psychoanalytic Association. It is encouraged.
I'm refering to the American Psychoanalytic Association (APsaA).
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you are NOW.
LOL. smooth shift there, wp.
APA = 36,000 members
APsaA = 3,000 members
Roger Amick said...
Your dishonesty is overwhelming.
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look in the mirror, junkie.
meanwhile, jake tapper had a rare moment of clarity and honesty and captured exactly what trump said:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/01/12/daaamn-jake-tapper-rekt-lefties-bitching-at-him-for-reporting-facts-behind-trumps-shthole-comment/
WP...
It's not a leap to take the letter at it's word.
The letter specifically suggests that the President is about to undergo his annual physical examination and that the APA has confidence that the physician will follow standard medical and mental health evaluations.
The President is about to undergo his annual physical examination, and APA has confidence that his physician will follow the standard of care in examining all systems, which includes an age-appropriate medical and mental health evaluation. If mental health concerns are raised, the standard of care would result in the examining physician seeking consultation from an experienced psychiatrist who would approach the consultation with objectivity and within the physician-patient confidential relationship.
The implication is to allow the professionals who do attend to the President make the judgement as to his mental health. I don't see how anyone would find that "unfair"... and by any objective manner, a doctor (either medical or mental health) who is actively seeing a patient has a better grasp on the health of that patient than someone who is observing from afar.
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Look WP... what these arm chair psychologists are doing is not against the law per sea, and if they choose not to be active members of the APA then they have probably not made any pledges to the effect of following their
"code of ethics" or follow the Goldwater rule.
But that's not really the point.
The point is that the APA (which represents thousands of mental health professionals) believes (to the extent that the actually wrote a public letter on the subject) that what these arm chair psychologists are doing is unethical.
The real issue is that Trump just assumes that people coming from those countries are automatically less valuable to our society.
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he's not wrong.
if we continue on our current immigration trajectory WE'LL be a thrid world shitthole.
"Respect for the
limits of psychoanalytic inference about individuals one does not know and has not interviewed indepth
is essential."
...is the salient part for its whopping 3,000 members.
Nice try.
"you are NOW.
LOL. smooth shift there, wp."
LMAO.
I knew that you would find a way to justify the President and his shithole comments. And worse is you claim that every single psychologist who believes that they are (Trump haters).
That is 100% dishonest.
Durbin disputes Trump's 'shithole' denial: 'He said these hate-filled things'
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President Trump acknowledged Friday that he used “tough” language during a meeting on efforts toward a bipartisan immigration deal but appeared to deny using the term “shithole” to refer to some countries.
“The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made — a big setback for DACA!” Trump wrote on Twitter.
Spokespeople for the White House did not immediately respond to a request for clarification Friday. The White House had not denied Thursday that Trump used the vulgarity, first reported by The Washington Post and later confirmed by numerous other news outlets.
In a later tweet, Trump focused on remarks attributed to him about Haiti, saying, “Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said 'take them out..' Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!”
Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), one of the lawmakers who attended the meeting, said publicly in comments to reporters Friday in an interview aired on MSNBC that Trump’s denial was false. The president, according to Durbin, “said things that were hate-filled, vile and racist.
“I cannot believe that in the history of the White House, in that Oval Office, any president has ever spoken the words that I personally heard our president speak yesterday,” Durbin said.
The president had grown frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they discussed protecting immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan deal over young immigrants known as ‘dreamers’ who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children, according to several people briefed on the meeting.
“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump had said, according to these people, referring to countries mentioned by the lawmakers.
Trump then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries such as Norway, whose prime minister he met with Wednesday.
A White House official said Trump had also suggested he would be open to more immigrants from Asian countries because he felt that they help the United States economically. In addition, the president singled out Haiti, telling lawmakers that immigrants from that country must be left out of any deal, these people said.
“Why do we need more Haitians?” Trump said, according to people familiar with the meeting. “Take them out.”
The point is that the APA (which represents thousands of mental health professionals) believes (to the extent that the actually wrote a public letter on the subject) that what these arm chair psychologists are doing is unethical.
Every single one of the AMA are "Trump haters " . I will say it again. You are dishonest to the core. .
Senator Durbin confirmed that racist remark.
LOL.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
I knew that you would find a way to justify the President and his shithole comments.
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well alky, i have to tell ya, it was just about the easiest thing i've done in a long time.
you see, guys like me tend to exist in a world of reality. so yeah, to me, haiti and places like it are shitholes.
liberals on the other hand, show a similar disdain for parts of THIS country. look at any red district on the electoral map (the deep south, flyover states) and i can show you a liberal who believes it to be a shithole, or worse. i work with a couple who OPENLY think like this.
so... shove your moral preening up your ass and go tend to your mail order bride. she's soaking up OUR medicaid dollars and it's getting fucking expensive.
Senator Durbin confirmed that racist remark.
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dickhead bin al turbin durbin himself???
HA!
yeah, he's always my first pick for a moral guide.
good one alky.
DURBIN SPEAKS OUT
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-acknowledges-‘tough’-language-but-appears-to-deny-‘sthole’-remark/ar-AAuAKbR?ocid=spartandhp
"so... shove your moral preening up your ass and go tend to your mail order bride. she's soaking up OUR medicaid dollars and it's getting fucking expensive."
They sure spend a lot of time in the emergency room...
turbin is channeling his inner "put y'all back in chains" biden.
Durbin also took offense to Trump’s use of the term “chain migration,” which refers to the ability of immigrants to bring their extended family into the United States.
According to Durbin, the term is racist and offensive to African Americans because it is reminiscent of slaves being transported to the United States in chains.
“I said to the president, ‘do you realize how painful that term is to so many people? African Americans believe they migrated to America in chains, and when you speak to chain migration it hurts them personally,'” Durbin explained. “He said, ‘oh that’s a good line.'”
http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/12/dick-durbin-chain-migration-is-a-racist-term-video/
my God these fucking assholes have no shame.
They sure spend a lot of time in the emergency room...
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they're like those two person grifter / con artist teams. she's his cover while he trolls for narcotics.
he's basically fucked. his used liver is hanging by a thread (35 pills/day) so going back to booze is not an option. he has to pivot to opiods to feed his addiction.
Trump’s Approval Slides In Georgia
A new Atlanta Journal Constitution poll in Georgia finds President Trump’s approval rating at 37% to 59%.
Every single one of the AMA are "Trump haters " .
Where to start?
First... I assume you mean APA, not AMA?
Secondly... the APA is actually coming to Donald Trump's defense by suggesting that it's unethical for mental health professionals to be providing medical opinions about someone who isn't a patient.
Of the approximate 36,000 members of the APA.... about 35,975 of them are not going on television or writing opinion pieces about Donald Trump's mental heath.
So for every one of them who are out there spouting their opinions... there are another 1500 or so keeping whatever opinions they have (or don't have) to themselves.
So please tell us, Roger... why are all of these people (following the ethical standards) considered "Trump haters" in your mind?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Big deal.
Narcissism
They will do anything to take power and control. While they know enough not to break laws, they have no problem breaking ethics or any societal/corporate code of conduct. There is a huge difference between illegal and unethical. Most people follow both a code of law and ethics, such as not lying or manipulating. Narcissists know enough to follow the law only to avoid jail and police. However, narcissists have no ethics. They know that it is not illegal to lie or manipulate. They rely on other people to follow ethics so that they can be played like chess pieces or used like tools.
Dr. Becker. PhD.
Narcissists know enough to follow the law only to avoid jail and police. However, narcissists have no ethics. They know that it is not illegal to lie or manipulate. They rely on other people to follow ethics so that they can be played like chess pieces or used like tools.
now why would you feel the need to bring 0linsky into this, alky?
"they're like those two person grifter / con artist teams. she's his cover while he trolls for narcotics."
Pitiful, really.
They will do anything to take power and control. While they know enough not to break laws, they have no problem breaking ethics or any societal/corporate code of conduct.
So Dr Becker is also criticizing these arm chair psychologists who are not following ethical protocol? I guess it would take a great deal of narcissism to believe your personal agenda is more important then the integrity of your field.
Tell us all Scott, "why are all of these people (following the ethical standards) considered "Trump haters" in your mind?"
Your question was a complete reversal of logic.
You are the person who believes that the APA is an organization dedicated to hating Donald J Trump.
Good Lord
You are the person who believes that the APA is an organization dedicated to hating Donald J Trump.
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reading comprehension, alky.
get some;
Ultimately, it's just another example where a select few Trump haters are willing to damage the credibility of their entire field for their own personal vendettas of hate.
You believe that my only reason for concern about the President is hatred of the President.
You are 100% incorrect. I'm a proud American. We are the greatest nation in history.
I believe to my core that this President is a threat to nation we all love. His mental health is honestly in doubt, except for you.
It is not driven by anger over the results of the election.
Roger layoff the Hillbilly heroin
Trump haters.
Judith Lewis Herman, M.D., is Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. She is a renowned expert in the traumas of interpersonal violence and author of the now-classic Trauma and Recovery. She is a cofounder of the Victims of Violence Program in the Department of Psychiatry at Cambridge Health Alliance, a Distinguished Life Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association, and the recipient of numerous awards, including the Lifetime Achievement Award from the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies.
Bandy X. Lee, M.D., M.Div., is Assistant Clinical Professor in Law and Psychiatry at Yale School of Medicine. She teaches at Yale Law School,
Bandy X. Lee, M.D., M.Div., is Assistant Clinical Professor in Law and Psychiatry at Yale School of Medicine. She teaches at Yale Law School,
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bandy ree was the ringleader of the band of 27 who wrote the book. she dropped from sight on the interwebs when it was discovered she does not possess a license to practice psychiatric medicine.
"POOF" gone from twitter.
"Roger layoff the Hillbilly heroin"
Too late.
trump haters, all:
The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President Hardcover – October 3, 2017
by Bandy X. Lee (Author), Robert Jay Lifton (Contributor), Gail Sheehy (Contributor), William J. Doherty (Contributor), Noam Chomsky (Contributor), Judith Lewis Herman M.D. (Contributor), Philip Zimbardo Ph.D. (Contributor), Rosemary Sword (Contributor), Craig Malkin Ph.D. (Contributor), Tony Schwartz (Contributor), Lance Dodes M.D. (Contributor), John D. Gartner Ph.D. (Contributor), Michael J. Tansey Ph.D. (Contributor), David M. Reiss M.D. (Contributor), James A. Herb M.A. Esq. (Contributor), Leonard L. Glass M.D. M.P.H. (Contributor), Henry J. Friedman M.D. (Contributor), James Gilligan M.D. (Contributor), Diane Jhueck L.M.H.C. D.M.H.P. (Contributor), Howard H. Covitz Ph.D. A.B.P.P. (Contributor), Betty P. Teng M.F.A. L.M.S.W. (Contributor), Jennifer Contarino Panning Psy.D. (Contributor), Harper West M.A. L.L.P. (Contributor), Luba Kessler M.D. (Contributor), Steve Wruble M.D. (Contributor), Thomas Singer M.D. (Contributor), Elizabeth Mika M.A. L.C.P.C. (Contributor), Edwin B. Fisher Ph.D. (Contributor), Nanette Gartrell M.D. (Contributor), Dee Mosbacher M.D. Ph.D. (Contributor)
https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
ha!
ol' noam chomsky snuck in there!
I never vary from my directions on my prescribed medication. Kiss my ass Paul.
I'm shredding the host and enjoying it.
The APA is a coup to get the President in the opinion of the increasingly irrational host.
You are the person who believes that the APA is an organization dedicated to hating Donald J Trump.
Actually no, genius.
Follow the thread.
My post quotes the APA, which agrees with the prevailing opinion that psychologists should not be providing opinions about Trump's mental health, unless they are his actual physician.
So people like me are defending the APA...
While WP and Opie are saying that APA is wrong...
Are you really that dense, Roger? Do you need to lay off the meds?
The APA is a coup to get the President in the opinion of the increasingly irrational host.
Wow. What a clown. IQ around 90.
Analysis Conclusion:
Brandy Lee's self promotion of her organized conference is found in the unnecessary addition to her statements. This is a priority for her.
The attention seeking has now come to fruition as it reached media.
It remains to be seen what such attention seeking may mean to the school's reputation and to the Board of the American Psychiatric Association.
When it comes to the her opinion of the President, she does not wish to be psychologically alone.
Psychiatrists diagnose patients with
1. Medical examination, including blood work
2. Review of medical history
3. Review of medications
4. Interview with patient
5. Collateral interviews
In her desire for self promotion, she may bring disrepute to herself, her position and school, but may bring ethical and legal issues to the surface.
Ambition blinds even the most intelligent of people.
http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2017/05/yale-professor-bandy-lees-statement.html
I'm shredding the host and enjoying it.
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only in your fantasy world, alky. only in your fantasy world.
copying and pasting bandy ree all afternoon ain't getting it done.
Do opiates make you delusional?
The APA is a coup to get the President in the opinion of the increasingly irrational host.
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fuckstick.
the APA is telling those assclowns like bandy ree who have wandered off the reservation to knock it the fuck OFF.
bandy ree desires a coup. she even used the word on vox:
Bandy Lee
We encounter this often in mental health. Those who most require an evaluation are the least likely to submit to one. That is the reason why in all 50 states we have not only the legal authority, but often the legal obligation, to contain someone even against their will when it’s an emergency.
So in an emergency, neither consent nor confidentiality requirements hold. Safety comes first. What we do in the case of danger is we contain the person, we remove them from access to weapons, and we do an urgent evaluation.
This is what we have been calling for with the president based on basic medical standards of care.
Surprisingly, many lawyer groups have actually volunteered, on their own, to file for a court paper to ensure that the security staff will cooperate with us. But we have declined, since this will really look like a coup, and while we are trying to prevent violence, we don’t wish to incite it through, say, an insurrection.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/1/5/16770060/trump-mental-health-psychiatrist-25th-amendment
you were saying, alky?
INTRODUCTION Our Duty to Warn BANDY X. LEE, M.D., M.DIV.
Possibly the oddest experience in my career as a psychiatrist has been to find that the only people not allowed to speak about an issue are those who know the most about it. Hence, truth is suppressed. Yet, what if that truth, furthermore, harbored dangers of such magnitude that it could be the key to future human survival?
How can I, as a medical and mental health professional, remain a bystander in the face of one of the greatest emergencies of our time, when I have been called to step in everywhere else? How can we, as trained professionals in this very area, be content to keep silent, against every other principle we practice by, because of a decree handed down from above? I am not speaking of the long-standing “Goldwater rule,” which is discussed in many places throughout this book and is a norm of ordinary practice I happen to agree with. I am rather speaking of its radical expansion, beyond the status we confer to any other rule, barely two months into the very presidency that has made it controversial.
Rat...
He believes he is shredding the host, because he actually believes that I am against the APA and believe that they are being "anti-Trump". His knee jerk reaction is to believe that the APA must be on his side in this argument.
How funny will it be when he finally realizes that the actual organization representing 36,000 mental health professionals actually agrees with me and not him.
It's not a leap to take the letter at it's word.
The letter does not say that any observation or opinion by any psychiatrist is the same as 'armchair psychology". Taking it "at it's word" the letter condemns "political abuse". What was it I said right at the start? Oh, Dr Bandy Lee who briefed some members of Congress did transgress the rule, IMO. so I am agreeing with them.
Your leap of logic expands that to condemn any psychiatrist expressing his concern over Trump's mental health. It is your interpretation through a political lens that I take issue with.
Ryan Criticizes Trump’s ‘Shithole’ Comments
Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) said that President Trump’s “shithole countries” comment was “very unfortunate” and “unhelpful,” according to CNN.
He added that he thinks immigration is “a thing to celebrate.”
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There’s No Way Out
David Graham: “Here is the paradox: Everyone, from the president to his staff to the Congress to the pundits to the people, knows that the current situation is a disaster, and yet there is no apparent way to end the situation.
“That means until at least the end of 2020, the situation will remain much as it is, with a president widely acknowledged to be dysfunctional and no way to change that. It is as though the United States is stumbling, never quite falling on its face but never fully righting itself, either, caught perpetually mid-stumble. The only certainty is more weeks like this one. There is no exit.”
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Ambassador to Panama Quits Over Trump
U.S. Ambassador to Panama John Feeley has resigned, telling the State Department he no longer feels able to
serve President Trump, the Telegraph reports.
Said Feeley: “As a junior foreign service officer, I signed an oath to serve faithfully the president and his administration in an apolitical fashion, even when I might not agree with certain policies. My instructors made clear that if I believed I could not do that, I would be honor bound to resign. That time has come.”
"I'm shredding the host and enjoying it."
"Grandiose delusions (GD), delusions of grandeur, expansive delusions[1] also known as megalomania[1][2] are a subtype of delusion that occur in patients suffering from a wide range of psychiatric diseases, including two-thirds of patients in manic state of bipolar disorder, half of those with schizophrenia, patients with the grandiose subtype of delusional disorder, and a substantial portion of those with substance abuse disorders.[3][4]"
Go away pedo.
Wow, exhibit one of a IQ 93.
Ultimately, it's just another example where a select few Trump haters are willing to damage the credibility of their entire field for their own personal vendettas of hate.
when bandy ree was trying on her coup idea for size, she called it a "duty to warn" conference:
Transcript of the Duty to Warn Conference
Yale School of Medicine
April 20, 2017
Bandy Lee:
Thank you very much for coming to our town hall-style forum by the title: “Does
Professional Responsibility Include a Duty to Warn?” My name is Bandy Lee, M.D. I am Assistant Clinical Professor in Law and Psychiatry. I decided to do this because, as one famous psychologist put it, “It is the elephant in the room,” and secondly because professional organizations have made errors in the past, and without free and open discussion, we cannot rigorously be an ethical check on ourselves.
https://us.macmillan.com/static/duty-to-warn-conference-transcript.pdf
you are NOW.
LOL. smooth shift there, wp.
Oh sure, that's why I was explicit about several organizations prior to that. It couldn't be that I wrote the initials wrong ...
Most Think Trump’s Mental Fitness Is an Issue
A new Axios/SurveyMonkey poll shows that 55% of Americans (and 54% of independents) think President Trump’s mental fitness is a legitimate issue.
However, most Republicans say the questions are “unfair and politically motivated.”
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Former RNC Chair Says Trump Is a Racist
Former RNC chairman Michael Steele said on MSNBC that President Trump’s “shithole countries” comment is “incontrovertible evidence” that Trump is racist.
Meanwhile, Trump denied on Twitter that he made the comments and suggested he “probably should record future meetings.”
The letter does not say that any observation or opinion by any psychiatrist is the same as 'armchair psychology".
Not verbatim...
They claim that it's unethical for any psychiatrist to render a professional opinion to the media about a public figure, unless that psychiatrist has both examined the public figure and has proper authorization to do so.
That seems pretty simple to me.
If this was not being violated, then there would have been no need for the statement to be written and released.
Dozens of experts urge doctor to examine Trump's neurological health during physical
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/trump-physical-health-neurological-psychologists-psychiatrists-337389
More than 70 psychologists, psychiatrists and others note the president's 'declining faculties for complex thought.'
01/11/2018 07:00 PM EST
excerpt:
A group of more than 70 psychologists, psychiatrists and mental health professionals sent a letter to President Donald Trump’s physician on Thursday, imploring him to include an evaluation of the president’s neurological health in a physical examination scheduled for Friday.
The White House has said tests of mental fitness will not be part of the president’s physical. Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said on Thursday that the physician, Rear Adm. Ronny Jackson, would issue a statement following the exam and answer questions from the media next week.
A president's cognitive functions are not typically tested during a physical, though such tests are advised for people Trump’s age — 71 — during annual checkups.
“Your duty to this patient and the country that employs you as an officer of the United States Navy is to refer your patient to specialist care if any elements of your neurological and psychiatric examination yield pertinent results,” reads the letter, which was provided to POLITICO. “Your threshold for such referral should be low given this patient’s position.”
The letter comes amid questions about the president’s mental state following the recent publication of Michael Wolff’s tell-all book, which describes Trump’s erratic behavior and quotes top officials questioning his competence on the record.
The letter writers note “increasing concern” about Trump’s “declining faculties for complex thought, rambling speech, difficulty completing a thought,” along with “suspect judgment, planning, problem solving and impulse control,” among other issues.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Steven Buser, a psychiatrist and a signatory on the letter, formerly served in the Air Force, where he conducted psychiatric exams on airmen, including those tasked with duties involving the nuclear arsenal. That background has fueled his concern, he said.
“My biggest concern has really been the whole nuclear threat,” said Buser, who co-edited the book, “A Clear and Present Danger: Narcissism in the Era of Donald Trump.
“Our entire nuclear chain of command is held through DOD regulations to the highest standard of psychological well-being … except the man who has his very finger on the nuclear button,” he added.
The letter writers did not offer any diagnosis, but suggested that Trump had behaved in such a way that an examination was merited.
David M. Reiss, a California psychiatrist and a contributor to the book, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President,” and a signatory on the letter, said Trump’s pattern of behavior has been “disturbing, and it’s worrisome, and it really needs attention.
“It’s important for the public to see that these are concerns a lot of people have and understand our reasons and motivations,” he said.
U.S. Ambassador To Panama Resigns, Saying He Cannot Serve Trump
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/us-ambassador-to-panama-resigns-trump_us_5a58e139e4b02cebbfdb51c0
The American ambassador to Panama will not serve under Trump.
'declining faculties for complex thought.'
sounds like something the poster sometimes posting as "james" with his endless cut-n-paste spam definitely has
ROFLMFAO !!!
Roger...
Changing the subject.
Or did you already forget what you were saying about the APA?
The #US embassy in #Panama announced Ambassador Feely's resignation yesterday (before the comments). Also, he had told colleagues of his intention to leave last September.
I just broke news that confirms that many Republicans are increasingly uncomfortable with The President and his tweeting. The ambassador won't work for your hero.
I have life itself today. I have shredded your ridiculous defense of everything the President does,and deny everything that looks like he's fucking nuts.
Scott, I am not addicted to anything. Nor am I demented like you are.
Oh sure, that's why I was explicit about several organizations prior to that. It couldn't be that I wrote the initials wrong ...
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LOL. so you're looking for a troll mulligan?
granted.
Hati, didn't Hillary and Bill Fleece them for millions of Dollars?
So, the SHIFT,the Libs have argued "WE CAN'T DEPort THEM THE COUNTRY IS WAR TORN. DISEASED AND BROKEN."
Now they tell us those nation are not shit holes, cool, Dems just made the case that we now can DEPORT THEM.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
I just broke news that confirms that many Republicans are increasingly uncomfortable with The President and his tweeting.
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in a word alky...
GOOD!
and may trump deliver his state of the union address via twitter. just to piss you off, alky.
No Roger...
You ran away with your tail between your legs...
Because you don't have intelligence to read a simple post or the attention span to follow a simple debate.
Roger believes that some Obama holdover from the State Department resigning is supposed to make anyone on the right feel bad?
Ha! Most of us would prefer the entire deep state resign and go away.
Blogger C.H. Truth said...
Rat...
He believes he is shredding the host, because he actually believes that I am against the APA and believe that they are being "anti-Trump". His knee jerk reaction is to believe that the APA must be on his side in this argument.
How funny will it be when he finally realizes that the actual organization representing 36,000 mental health professionals actually agrees with me and not him.
he's a fucking mess. you have to feel for him though. using his mail order bride to scam opiates in a hospital takes a level of concentration he can no longer muster. there he is using her to basically commit a felony while trying to follow a thread at the same time.
he can't handle it.
Blogger C.H. Truth said...
Roger believes that some Obama holdover from the State Department resigning is supposed to make anyone on the right feel bad?
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LOL.
the dumb fuck never bothered to check.
hilarious.
"John Feeley, the U.S. Ambassador to Panama, has informed the White House, the Department of State, and the Government of Panama of his decision to retire for personal reasons, as of March 9 of this year," State Department spokesperson Pooja Jhunjhunwala told Newsweek.
Feeley will be departing the State Department after nearly 30 years of service. He was nominated to the ambassadorship by President Barack Obama in July 2015 and was sworn into the post on January 15, 2016. Prior to assuming his current position, Feeley served as principal deputy assistant secretary for Western Hemisphere affairs from 2012 to 2015. From 2009 to 2012, Feeley was stationed in Mexico, where he worked as deputy chief of mission and chargé d’affaires at the American embassy in Mexico City.
Feeley has also been outspoken on LGBTQ rights and in 2014 addressed the difficulties LGBTQ advocates face in South America.
"It is the cultural heritage of machismo, which is a bad thing in many ways,” Feeley said. “[It is] not just in the manifestation of anti-LGBT attitudes.
Feeley was also a vocal supporter of former U.S. ambassador to the Dominican Republic Wally Brewster, whose appointment generated a backlash since Brewster is married to a man.
http://www.newsweek.com/john-feeley-donald-trump-resigns-ambassador-shithole-779852
obama appointee and defender of rectal buccaneers.
That seems pretty simple to me.
If this was not being violated, then there would have been no need for the statement to be written and released.
What was it I said from the start? Oh yeah, again:
"Dr Bandy Lee who briefed some members of Congress did transgress the rule, IMO."
Their letter was primarily a reaction to Lee's testimony btw.
So "If this was not being violated" is just another strawman. Or are you really suffering a reasoning failure? The APA said that Lee crossed a line. I said that Lee crossed a line. You believe that it means that any psychiatrist expressing a professional opinion is crossing a line. That just doesn't compute, CH.
Not even the most draconian rules prohibit a "professional opinion to the media about a public figure" as you put it. They cannot deliver a diagnosis. There are certain specifics that they should not get into. But professional opinions, that's way too general.
Graham Confirmed Trump Made ‘Shithole’ Comment
Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) told the Charleston Post and Courier that he talked to fellow Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) about hearing President Trump’s “shithole countries” comment and Graham confirmed to him the president said it.
Graham’s office has not returned messages inquiring about Trump’s comments that reportedly were uttered in the Oval Office during a bi-partisan meeting on immigration reform.
Not even the most draconian rules prohibit a "professional opinion to the media about a public figure" as you put it. They cannot deliver a diagnosis. There are certain specifics that they should not get into. But professional opinions, that's way too general.
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true. but when a "professional opinion" as you put it, is offered on say, cnn, it is received and interpreted by the audience as the functional equivalent of a clinical diagnosis, and the damage, as they say, has been done. mission accomplished.
same with the book with the 27 signatories. hand that book to a liberal and let them read it and they come back with - "see! 27 psychiatrists say trump is crazy!" imbeciles like the alky are the target audience for that nonsense because their response is predictable and pavlovian.
"Graham Confirmed Trump Made ‘Shithole’ Comment"
same paragraph
"Graham’s office has not returned messages inquiring about Trump’s comments"
ROFLMFAO so political_liar posts that they haven't been able to confirm but still say they confirm.
WHAT A FUCKING SHITHOLE THEY ARE!!!
ROFLMFAO !!!
Or are you really suffering a reasoning failure? The APA said that Lee crossed a line. I said that Lee crossed a line.
Not even the most draconian rules prohibit a "professional opinion to the media about a public figure" as you put it.
That is not how "I put it"... it's how the "APA put it".
It was not specific to one person.
The APA stated:
We at the APA call for an end to psychiatrists providing professional opinions in the media about public figures whom they have not examined, whether it be on cable news appearances, books, or in social media. Armchair psychiatry or the use of psychiatry as a political tool is the misuse of psychiatry and is unacceptable and unethical.
This is from their site, WP...
https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom/news-releases/apa-calls-for-end-to-armchair-psychiatry
Perhaps you should actually just take the time to read what they stated, rather than continue to argue against it as if this stuff is CH's personal opinion.
and I was actually wrong. The term "Armchair" Psychiatry was from the APA. So it actually was "verbatim"
Ruthless T. Firefly
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@BecketAdams
Just a quick reminder: Sen. Durbin has fabricated quotes out of White House meetings before. Maybe take his "shithole" say-so with all the grains of salt. (link: https://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/dick-durbin-repubican-leader-obama-098720 …)
10:33 AM - Jan 12, 2018
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The Justice Department launched a new task force Thursday to investigate alleged drug-trafficking and money-laundering schemes tied to Hezbollah following a damning report that claimed former President Barack Obama’s administration failed to prosecute or advance the probes in order to ink the Iran nuclear deal.
The Hezbollah Financing and Narcoterrorism Team will focus on “evidence in existing investigations,” as well as Project Cassandra, the department said in a press release. Fox News was first to report the task force’s formation.
The US state department has warned Americans to completely avoid five Mexican shitholes plagued by crime and drug cartel violence, putting the shithole regions on the same level as war-zone shitholes such as Syria, Yemen and Afghanistan.
In an advisory issued on Wednesday, the state department said “do not travel to” the border state shithole of Tamaulipas, as well as the Pacific coast shithole states of Sinaloa, Colima, Michoacán and Guerrero.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/10/us-travel-advisory-mexico-do-not-travel-crime-drug-cartel?CMP=edit_2221
wp. I have noticed the same thing.
So "If this was not being violated" is just another strawman. Or are you really suffering a reasoning failure? The APA said that Lee crossed a line. I said that Lee crossed a line. You believe that it means that any psychiatrist expressing a professional opinion is crossing a line. That just doesn't compute, CH.
I've known him online for close to 7 years. The Yahoo soars blog. He's always been conservative but not deeply ideological. He supported W most of the time. But at times he would be critical of George W Bush. It was nothing like this. Any criticism of the President is hateful. Just like he said in the last phrase of his claiming that the ABA is unethical and driven by the hatred for the President. He is simply sufferingfrom a lost coherence. I don't know why, I'm not a biased anti-Trump hater who can't get past the Clinton loss either. Just a concerted American.
By your reasoning, my wife might have been allowed to come to the United States and get her BSN in four years. Panama had some shithole districts.
I was just thinking...
I bet president hillary would've been good for a few colorful potty mouth words too.
And the shithole remark isn't racist. Elitest yes. But it's not racist. Not to mention at least party true.
panama IS A SHITHOLE, alky. so you married a mail order pen pal. good for you.
riddle me this, bat drunk - if these places ARE NOT SHITHOLES, then why do we have to let all of those fleeing them come HERE??? they should stay in paradise, no?
haiti is downright tropical. i mean, besides the child sex trafficking, cholera outbreaks and such, what's not to like???
they're either shitholes or they're not, alky. you can't have it both ways this time.
I've known him online for close to 7 years. The Yahoo soars blog.
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tell us the story about how he blocked you on facebook uncle alky! PLEASE!!!
Actually Roger...
You still are not paying attention.
WP is accusing me of using certain statements and certain arguments, and then disagreeing with me... demanding to some degree that a organization like the APA would not have such a "draconian policy".
When in fact I am directly quoting the APA.
Both of you need to read the actual APA letter. Then you would find that it's the APA (not me) who is calling these folks "armchair psychologists" and stating that it's unethical for anyone in the mental health industry to make any sort of "professional opinons" about any public figure in the media... unless they are personally treating that person and have authorization to do so.
Ultimately, this has nothing to do with Donald Trump... other than for those of you who believe that the "rules have changed" or that the "rules should change" because of Trump.
I would offer the exactly same criticism of any mental health professional who provide a mental health assessment about any public figure without actually examining that person in a medical setting.
I suspect someone like WP would agree with the concept as a general rule. But his personal specific feelings about Donald Trump gets in the way of supporting a logical blanket ethical standard.
Roger -
Dispel the rumors. Tell us the romantic story about how you met your wife.
Perhaps you were walking on the beach when you first saw her?
Perhaps you met at church?
Perhaps you met at a dance club?
Perhaps you met at the emergency room?
Please just tell us that you didn't meet her on-line and that she isn't holding some sort of green card?
CH,
"psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual ... In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion"
This is from their rule, posted on the AMA site. It's perfectly fine for psychiatrists to share their expertise, their professional opinion in lay terms, about the President. But they should not offer a diagnosis, which is to "offer a professional opinion" in this context.
So when any psychologists who offers, in his professional opinion, that Trump is exhibiting signs of perceptive deterioration for example, he is not in violation of the Goldwater Rule. Not a hater, not a personal vendetta, but his honest professional opinion about a general psychiatric condition and Trump's behavior.
If he offers that Trump is a delusional paranoid, he would be in violation.
haiti is downright tropical. i mean, besides the child sex trafficking, cholera outbreaks and such, what's not to like???
And there's the rub, cholera is caused by feces in the drinking water which by definition makes you a shithole. And Haiti and sub Saharan Africa have a lot of cholera
So when any psychologists who offers, in his professional opinion, that Trump is exhibiting signs of perceptive deterioration for example, he is not in violation of the Goldwater Rule. Not a hater, not a personal vendetta, but his honest professional opinion about a general psychiatric condition and Trump's behavior.
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and that is still, at a minimum, completely unprofessional. perhaps not a textbook violation of the goldwater rule (though some might say it is) but without the benefit of an exam and subsequent clinical diagnosis, they're still talking out their biased, professional ass.
"Alky you can't have it both ways" RRB
Liberalism is a gutless position, so he will have to wiggle out of that long held Dem position.
cholera is caused by feces in the drinking water which by definition makes you a shithole.
"mic drop"
LOL.
BOOM
WP....
Again. The statement that they just released this week reflects the opinion of the APA today, as it pertains to psychologists and other therapists offering their opinions about Trump to the media.
It's certainly possible that they feel that they need to be more vigilant today than they did when they first dealt with this sort of thing.
But it would appear that your entire strategy here is to do whatever you can to pretend that the statement from this week never happened.
Haiti is a shithole.
I know first hand 1982 I was in the US Army when a bunch of the rats exited that shithole and came to the US. I had to help re-settle those filthy pieces of shit.
In 1993 President Bush stopped a repeat.
Haiti is such a shithole that Pres-Elect Clinton reversed his campaign position and adopted Bush's Policy on Haitians. Blocking them from coming to the USA.
A lawyer for President Trump reportedly arranged a six-figure payment to a former adult-film star to keep her from discussing a sexual encounter with Trump, according to a new report Friday.
The Wall Street Journal reported that Michael Cohen, an attorney for the Trump Organization at the time and now Trump's personal lawyer, arranged for Stephanie Clifford, known in the industry as Stormy Daniels, to receive $130,000 as part of a nondisclosure agreement one month before the 2016 presidential election.
Clifford has privately told sources interviewed by the Journal that she and Trump had a consensual sexual encounter in 2006, the year after he and Melania Trump were married. Clifford was 27 years old at the time of the alleged encounter in Lake Tahoe
Roger -
How did you meet your wife?
Again. The statement that they just released this week reflects the opinion of the APA today, as it pertains to psychologists and other therapists offering their opinions about Trump to the media.
Sure, I've read it. I read it before the first post, and I've been aware of the Goldwater Rule most of my adult life. I think that their letter doesn't mean what you think it means.
They are talking about diagnosis and references to specific medical conditions. They are not talking about offering their opinions. I believe that they phrased it unfortunately in a way that sows confusion, leading most lay people to understand it in a much more general way than is intended.
and that is still, at a minimum, completely unprofessional. perhaps not a textbook violation of the goldwater rule (though some might say it is) but without the benefit of an exam and subsequent clinical diagnosis, they're still talking out their biased, professional ass.
The case may be reasonably made that most of their profession are "talking out their biased, professional ass" in almost all of their professional capacity, whether or not they have administered an examination. So that's kind of beside the point.
Psychiatrists are facile with abnormal psychology. They're pretty good at prescribing medication to help those with abnormal conditions function effectively. That may be appropriate to determine whether a person is fit to hold public office, but that bar is necessarily so low that it would be obvious to the rest of us as well.
However, "the rest of us" are better off knowing the opinions of these professionals than we are without them. But either way it's still not their call - it comes down to the American public and our representatives to judge.
They are talking about diagnosis and references to specific medical conditions. They are not talking about offering their opinions. I believe that they phrased it unfortunately in a way that sows confusion, leading most lay people to understand it in a much more general way than is intended.
So your argument is that the APA did not mean what they wrote?
I think the intent was quite clear:
- They referred to "armchair Psychiatry" it the title of the statement
- They called it unacceptable and unethical for mental health professionals to offer their professional opinions regarding any public figure that they have not examined over any media outlet (including social media)
- They mentioned the President specifically
The only way you could get confused is if you were suffering from some sort of cognitive dissonance.
So your argument is that the APA did not mean what they wrote?
My argument is that what they wrote means something different than what you believe it to mean. So is your argument that the APA didn't mean what they wrote?
If you ask a psychiatrist what his "professional opinion" about someone is, to him that means a diagnosis. His opinion based on his professional knowledge, would be phrased differently. But you want to equate the two.
Oh brother.
professional opinion means professional opinion.
Interesting that you'd diagnose cognitive dissonance arising from a hypothetical confusion. Let's explore that. Do have the feeling that everyone involved but you is confused? How does that feel to you? A little disturbing? Does it remind you of interactions you've experienced in the past?
Do you get the feeling that you're on a different page, maybe out of step with the people you're talking to? Is this discussion confounding?
Blogger C.H. Truth said...
professional opinion means professional opinion.
Medical practitioners define it in the context of medical advice. It is proffered information as medical advice, which is personalized to recommend a specific patient's health care and treatment.
Maybe that would be the easiest way for you to understand it. If the psychiatrist sounds like he's giving medical advice, he is offering his professional opinion in the context of the APA news release. If not, it's just expert information derived from his professional opinions, in the lay understanding.
HB, how did you met your wife?
I guess this is "big Fucking Deal" biden
JFK, " This is Fucked up"
Question - Has Trump, Congressional Republicans and their supporters turned our country in a SHITHOLE?
The fact that the comment was racist, not the comment itself.
Nope, we have flushed the shit, obama to the septic tank.
We should return to 1924 immigration law.
No it isn't Roger. He didn't say people from shithole countries are inferior do to genetics. That's racism, learn the definition.
It's prejudiced but not racist.
He is pre-judging people, which we all do. Not a damn word about genetics
Cali, it is just old pill adicted Alky projecting.
US Retail Holiday Sales Rocket UP 5.5 %. Better then any year under floating turd obama.
Trump Lawyer Arranged $130,000 Payment for Adult-Film Star's Silence
Michael Rothfeld, Joe Palazzolo 3 hrs ago
© Provided by The Wall Street Journal.
A lawyer for President Donald Trump arranged a $130,000 payment to a former adult-film star a month before the 2016 election as part of an agreement that precluded her from publicly discussing an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump, according to people familiar with the matter.
Michael Cohen, who spent nearly a decade as a top attorney at the Trump Organization, arranged payment to the woman, Stephanie Clifford, in October 2016 after her lawyer negotiated the nondisclosure agreement with Mr. Cohen, these people said.
Ms. Clifford, whose stage name is Stormy Daniels, has privately alleged the encounter with Mr. Trump took place after they met at a July 2006 celebrity golf tournament in Lake Tahoe, these people said. Mr. Trump married Melania Trump in 2005.
Mr. Trump faced other allegations during his campaign of inappropriate behavior with women, and vehemently denied them. In this matter, there is no allegation of a nonconsensual interaction.
“These are old, recycled reports, which were published and strongly denied prior to the election,” a White House official said, responding to the allegation of a sexual encounter involving Mr. Trump and Ms. Clifford. The official declined to respond to questions about an agreement with Ms. Clifford. It isn’t known whether Mr. Trump was aware of any agreement or payment involving her.
In a statement, Mr. Cohen didn’t address the $130,000 payment but said of the alleged sexual encounter that “President Trump once again vehemently denies any such occurrence as has Ms. Daniels.”
Mr. Cohen added in the statement, addressed to The Wall Street Journal: “This is now the second time that you are raising outlandish allegations against my client. You have attempted to perpetuate this false narrative for over a year; a narrative that has been consistently denied by all parties since at least 2011.”
The Journal previously reported that Ms. Clifford, 38 years old, had been in talks with ABC’s “Good Morning America” in the fall of 2016 about an appearance to discuss Mr. Trump, according to people familiar with the matter. In that article, the Journal reported the company that owns the National Enquirer agreed to pay $150,000 to a former Playboy centerfold model three months before the election for her story of an affair a decade earlier with the Republican presidential nominee, which the tabloid newspaper didn’t publish. The company said she was paid to write fitness columns and appear on magazine covers.
Mr. Cohen also sent a two-paragraph statement by email addressed “TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN” and signed by “Stormy Daniels” denying that she had a “sexual and/or romantic affair” with Mr. Trump.
“Rumors that I have received hush money from Donald Trump are completely false,” the statement said.
Ms. Clifford didn’t respond to multiple emails seeking comment.
After the agreement, Ms. Clifford’s camp complained the payment wasn’t being made quickly enough and threatened to cancel the deal, some of the people familiar with the matter said.
The payment was made to Ms. Clifford through her lawyer in the matter, Keith Davidson, with funds sent to Mr. Davidson’s client-trust account at City National Bank in Los Angeles, according to the people.
“I previously represented Ms. Daniels,” Mr. Davidson said, referring to Ms. Clifford’s stage name. “Attorney-client privilege prohibits me from commenting on my clients’ legal matters.”
A spokeswoman for City National Bank declined to comment.
The agreement with Ms. Clifford came as the Trump campaign confronted allegations from numerous women who described unwanted sexual advances and alleged assaults by Mr. Trump.
In October 2016, the Washington Post published a videotape made, but never aired, by NBC’s “Access Hollywood” in which Mr. Trump spoke of groping women.
Mr. Trump denied all allegations of inappropriate sexual conduct and apologized at the time for his remarks on the tape, calling them locker-room banter.
Mr. Cohen worked at the Trump Organization from 2007 until after the election. As Mr. Trump took office, Mr. Cohen said he would work in private practice and act as Mr. Trump’s personal attorney. “I am the fix-it guy,” he said in an interview in January 2017 before Mr. Trump’s inauguration.
Ms. Clifford has appeared in about 150 adult films, and was considered among the industry’s biggest stars when the then-27-year-old met Mr. Trump at the American Century Championship in 2006, held at Edgewood Tahoe golf course in Nevada.
Another adult-film star, Jessica Drake, later alleged in an October 2016 news conference that Mr. Trump kissed her and two other women without permission in a hotel suite after the same 2006 golf event.
“I did not sign [a nondisclosure agreement], nor have I received any money for coming forward,” Ms. Drake said this week in an emailed statement. “I spoke out because it was the right thing to do.”
A White House official responded to questions about Ms. Drake by referring to a previous statement by the Trump campaign, which called her account “totally false and ridiculous.”
Write to Michael Rothfeld at michael.rothfeld@wsj.com and Joe Palazzolo at joe.palazzolo@wsj.com
The cut-n-paste shithole is back at it. He must have put the pas (piece a shit) in pastor.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Magazine cover of the day
https://politicalwire.com/2018/01/12/magazine-cover-day/
WTF
ROFLMFAO !!!
Picture this : Obama floating in a toilet
Roger, how did you meet your wife?
Are you implying that she was a pay for bride.
You know how we met.
No Deal In Sight to Avoid a Shutdown
“The government is seven days away from shutting down over an impasse on immigration and this week of talks between the White House and Congress may have only made things worse,” Axios reports.
Said one senior GOP aide: “Everybody hates each other right now.”
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Trump Criticism Dominates Grassley Town Meeting
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Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) “faced relentless questioning about President Trump’s fitness for office and his own handling of the investigation into Russian election meddling at a rural town meeting here Friday morning,” the Des Moines Register reports.
“It was a striking scene, not least because of where it was playing out: in a rural western Iowa county where Republicans outnumber Democrats nearly two-to-one and where Trump carried 65 percent of the vote in 2016. And in contrast to the crowds that packed into lawmakers’ town meetings last year, the anti-Trump contingent was not obviously organized.”
The Trump Economy in 2017, erased the Lost Years.
Black and Hispanic Unemployment dropped to historic lows.
Seven more years
ROFLMFAO
Jane, HB's side of this blog was made for your ilk.
GOP Must Defend Many More House Seats
The latest House ratings from the Cook Political Report show 40 competitive Republican-held seats (4 Lean Dem, 15 Toss Up, 21 Lean Rep) and just 9 competitive Democratic-held seats (4 Toss Up, 5 Lean Dem).
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Extra Bonus Quote of the Day
“History says we should lose 32 seats… we have to buck history.”
— Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI), quoted by USA Today, on the GOP’s midterm election prospects.
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Trump Lawyer Made Payment for Porn Star’s Silence
“A lawyer for President Trump arranged a $130,000 payment to a former adult-film star a month before the 2016 election as part of an agreement that precluded her from publicly discussing an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump,” the Wall Street Journal reports.
“Michael Cohen, who spent nearly a decade as a top attorney at the Trump Organization, arranged payment to the woman, Stephanie Clifford, in October 2016 after her lawyer negotiated the nondisclosure agreement with Mr. Cohen.”
“Ms. Clifford, whose stage name is Stormy Daniels, has privately alleged the encounter with Mr. Trump took place after they met at a July 2006 celebrity golf tournament… Mr. Trump married Melania Trump in 2005.”
Liberal rag Wall Street Journal
Jane, keep going this is very funny stuff. So you predict 2018 Democrat Landslide.
The old POS pastor just keeps spamming away, good that he's old and irrelevant.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Analysis: A President Who Fans, Rather Than Douses, the Nation’s Racial Fires
By PETER BAKER 3 hrs ago
WASHINGTON — As he signed a proclamation marking the holiday next week honoring the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., President Trump on Friday recalled the civil rights leader’s message that “no matter what the color of our skin or the place of our birth, we are created equal by God.”
Then came the questions from reporters.
“Mr. President, are you a racist?”
He did not answer and instead headed for the door.
THE NYT ARTICLE CONTINUES
James Boswell of Normal, Illinois is a pedophile.
James Boswell of Normal, Illinois is a pedophile.
WP...
I didn't find the APA letter confusing at all. As far as I can see here, you are the only one who doesn't take it at face value.
Roger is either confused or not entirely sober. Nothing new there. He can't even remember how he met his wife.
No president fanned racism more than obama.
Ya know Scott, this thread is not for arguing if Trump is nuts. You did this to avoid trying to justify his shithole comment, and his last week of screw ups. For example he watched Fox and Friends and tweeted almost word for word why the intelligence 702 and tweeted a couple hours later, after his staff told him he fucked up and he retweeted and changed his mind. It passed, as it should have.
His deeply racist shithole comment weakened our influence around the world because we have the worst President in history and you, just say Seig Heil and think the APA is a scam filled with Trump haters. You have lost like we said the ability to think rationally.
Fire up the junky comments on my 'Mail order bride"
"That's just how WHITE folks will do ya" the floating turd
Roger, was married at the time he met his current wife, just one of 25 fucks he bragged about. All of the movie star quality you know.
Roger is either confused or not entirely sober. Nothing new there. He can't even remember how he met his wife.
1: I'm confusing you by making comments that fly over your head.
2 2027 days, one day at a time..
2 When Yahoo allowed chat in comment on a story. Soars for example. We both commented on a story about the Dodgers.It allowed private chat. We talked about the Dodgers and I found out she was single, and we exchanged picture. I had ticket for a Dodger game we missed meeting each other at the game. Long story.lol
She agreed to come over;; for some bbq ch;chicken. etc. We had a good time and we shook hands and said let's get together again. We did, a few days later, we had the first kiss and it went from there. This was in the memorial day holiday in 2000. We will celebrate our ninth wedding anniversary on February 28th.
Met in 2000
Got married In 2009?
Had to wait for the di orced to go thru.
It's Like Trump Is Trying to Lose Florida
“President Trump’s comments about ‘shithole countries’ like Haiti could hurt him most severely in his winter home of Florida, a state that’s also home to a large Haitian community. And it’s just the latest time he’s singled out a key voting bloc to antagonize in the state,” TPM reports.
“His racially charged comments add insult to injury to the community, just weeks after his administration ended temporary status protection for 60,000 Haitian refugees living in the U.S.”
“And that’s nothing compared to how much he’s infuriated the state’s fast-growing Puerto Rican community with his administration’s shoddy response to Hurricane Maria, which devastated the island.”
Scott accused me of confusion, drinking and didn't remember how I met my lovely wife.
You are getting worse.
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