Wednesday, January 10, 2018

Whom do you believe?

So, at the same time many on the left are running away from the Steele dossier, declaring that it could not have possibly been the trigger for the Russian/Trump collusion investigation; those who helped write the dossier, and those who published it are defending the report's legitimacy...


The question becomes, whom should you believe?

Do you believe BuzzFeed, who claims that the FBI considered it legitimate information, because they had been able to cross check it with other sources (including some inside the Trump organization)?

Or do you believe FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe who testified before congressional committees that as of December of 2017, that the dossier remains largely unverified?

Maybe had the dossier not included charges of prostitutes and golden showers, which even James Comey declared under oath to be salacious and unverified, it would have a bit more legitimacy. But to this date, we have been privy to the fact that many parts of it are flat out wrong... and so far we have not seen anything of substance from the dossier verified.

But that won't stop a lot of people from taking BuzzFeed at their word.

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Sean Davis said...

Yet another Fusion GPS testimony bombshell--one of Steele's sources was killed because of the dossier!--that turned out to be completely fake news.

Fusion to Congress: One of the dossier sources was murdered, you know.
Fusion to CNN: Actually, we just meant that people in Russia have died since then.

That makes two huge bombshell allegations from Glenn Simpson in congressional testimony that we now know were false.

The first was that the FBI had an informant in Trump tower. Turns out it was fake news. Rather than inform Congress of the false information, Fusion GPS leaked it to @KenDilanianNBC.

The second was that a dossier source was killed, presumably to protect Trump or the Kremlin whatever. Also fake news! Again, instead of informing Congress, Fusion GPS leaked it to CNN's @mkraju. Real intelligence pros, y'all.

Commonsense said...

Hmmm the more we know about Simpson's testimony the more it looks like the dossier was false and that Simpson many have committed perjury.

I suspect Feinstein is going to regret releasing the transcript.

Quinnipiac polling said...

Most Americans Say Trump Not Fit to Be President

A new Quinnipiac poll finds that American voters say President Trump is intelligent by a 53% to 44% margin,
but they also say 69% to 28% that he is not level-headed
and by 57% to 40% that he is not fit to serve as president.

Grading President Trump’s first year in office, 39% of voters give him an “F,” while 17% give him a “D.”

Trump’s job approval is a dismal 36% to 59%.

Wa Po said...

Trump Won’t Say If He’ll Agree to Mueller Interview

President Trump declined to say whether he would grant an interview to special counsel Robert Mueller and his team, deflecting repeated questions on the topic by saying there had been “no collusion” with the Russians during the 2016 presidential campaign and attacking his former opponent Hillary Clinton, the Washington Post reports.

Said Trump: “We’ll see what happens.”

Trump then questioned why he would be interviewed, arguing again there had been “no collusion” between his campaign and Russia: “It seems unlikely you’d even have an interview.”

Chump said...

Trump says it 'seems unlikely' he'll give an interview in Mueller investigation, says, 'I'll see what happens'

Associated Press
25 mins ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump says it “seems unlikely” that he’ll give an interview in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into potential coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign.

Trump says during a joint news conference with the prime minister of Norway that “we’ll see what happens” on whether he’ll provide an interview to Mueller’s team.

The special counsel’s team of investigators has expressed interest in speaking with Trump, but no details have been worked out.

Trump is again reiterating that there was “no collusion” between his 2016 presidential campaign and Russia. He says, “It seems unlikely you’d even have an interview.”

Trump’s lawyers have previously stated their determination to cooperate with Mueller’s requests.
_________________

No collusion should be easy to defend.

President Trump said...

Well the polling will have the next 7 years to catch up with me.

When the media finally admits they have nothing that will be easy.

#MAGA

Anonymous said...

Pocahontas Warren got really "catty" about their Oprah Presidential bid..

Oh, now girls play nice.

commie said...


Or do you believe FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe who testified before congressional committees that as of December of 2017

Funny,, from what I have read, his testimony was a disaster from the start....The only thing proved was a lack of him being prepared.

IOW's seems the document has a lot going for it in spite of you hoping it does not.......LOLOL

BTW it is now a democrat hoax about collusion and it was hillapies fault....the man is a joke....

C.H. Truth said...

Opie...

After Steele got sued for the dossier, he is attempting to claim (in court) that it was just raw unverified information that was only designed to suggest that it be further investigated.

So not even the actual author is willing to provide any sworn testimony to the effect that the dossier was real.

Interesting that you would claim to know better than both the FBI deputy and the actual author. But, hey... if BuzzFeed says so, it must be true, huh?

Anonymous said...

Hillary paid for them pack of lies called them dossier.

Anonymous said...

Opie, put some ice on it.

Anonymous said...

#Metoo

Liberals have two male Muslim in Guantanamo Bay prision that have joined your movement.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
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Loretta said...

"This blog would be in flames"

Don't worry about it chicken shit.

It's none of your business.

Start your own blog chicken shit.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I'm going to ask a simple question. Does the President understand the first Amendment to the constitution? Not for the first time he called for stronger libel laws. Fast and Furious has him scared to the core. NPR has quite the report on the President's call for stronger libel laws.

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President Trump promised Wednesday to "take a strong look" at the country's libel laws, saying they are a "sham and a disgrace and do not represent American values and American fairness."

Trump made his comments at the beginning of a Cabinet meeting.

"You can't say things that are false, knowingly false, and be able to smile as money pours into your bank account," said Trump, a president who has made more than 2,000 false or misleading claims in just 355 days, The Washington Post reported Wednesday morning.


It's not clear what prompted the president's remarks, although t
)he best-selling book Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House by Michael Wolff seems a likely trigger. The book quotes former advisers and others who paint an unflattering portrait of Trump and his fitness to be president.

You can't say things that are false, knowingly false, and be able to smile as money pours into your bnk account.


President Trump on Wednesday

Before its' release, a lawyer for Trump sent a cease and desist letter to publisher Henry Holt and Company, demanding the book be with held from stores. In response, the company moved up the books publication date and increased its print run.

On Tuesday, another of Trump's attorneys, Michael Cohen, filed a defamation suit against BuzzFeed for publishing the so called Russia dossier, and against the co founder of a research company which compiled the report.



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Should a Democratic President called into question the right of Fox News to speak out against President Pocahontas? Or an author wrote on the White House West Wing is a disaster and President is incapable of performing the duties of The President? Should she be able to h

file a suit in civil court to block the publication of the investigation into the Russian intervention into the election that may have gotten support from Putin ?

This blog would be in flames calling the President is a traitor. Should she be able to file a suit in civil court against posters who make assaults
on President Pocahontas using the offensive nickname? They would outraged rightfully so. As would myself.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

This is a political blog. Opinions matter. Opinions that you don't like are exactly why the host started the blog. Not just a place where Trump supporters call liberals names like alky and addict.

If you don't like it start your own blog and censor Democrats, chicken shit, twit.

Loretta said...

Don't worry about it chicken shit.

It's none of your business.

Start your own blog chicken shit creeper.

Anonymous said...

1,000,000 people got a work bonus from thier employeer.

401k matching limits raised for 25,000,000 million more by thier employeers.

Why, Trump crazy idea that tax cuts matyer.

Loretta said...

"Opinions that you don't like are exactly why the host started the blog."

He started "this" blog because you abused your posting privileges on the trash blog.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Im going back to sleep. I saw that yesterday and just wondered if CH would have finally found the President at fault. The President seems to be ignorant about the Constitution. He suggested that anyone could file a suit in civil court against authors and costing them huge amount of money, unless they won. It's a back door assault on the first Amendment.

Loretta said...

Nonsense.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Stupidity on steroids or cheap whiskey.

Commonsense said...

I'm going to ask a simple question. Does the President understand the first Amendment to the constitution? Not for the first time he called for stronger libel laws.

I'm sure he does and he also has an understanding of libel laws do you?

The first amendment doesn't protect people who deliberately spreads false and defamatory information against other people. The victims have to have relief through the courts for the civil damages they suffer.

Unfortunately the libel laws are so biased in the protection of speech that it's nearly impossible for any public figure to get relief.

That is what Trump is asking for. And adjustment to the requirements.

For example a in order for a public figure to prevail he has to show that the libel was malicious. That is an impossible standard as you have the read minds. Trump (and a lot of other people) would like to add a gross negligence standard.

One other problem is the libel shield on court filings.

Unscrupulous lawyers use the shield laws to defame people under the protection of the courts.

Anonymous said...

Toyota and Mazda announce new final assembly plant in Alabama. Why, right to work state and low tax state.

1.6 Billion dollar investment on US Soil.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

In other words you are against the first Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

Anonymous said...

Roger you are always asleep.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Yes I understand the concept of the free press. Especially in regards to politicians. The standard for suits against politicians is almost impossible to succeed. The standard should remain as they are.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

If the libel laws were modified to lower the level of proof, James could file a suit in civil court against the twit for her charges of pedophilia. I don't support the change in the law but it would be amusing.

Commonsense said...

Because politician and public figures deserve less protection than other people.

A free press doesn't mean a press free of responsibility for any liblouis actions it engages in.

Commonsense said...

If the libel laws were modified to lower the level of proof, James could file a suit in civil court against the twit for her charges of pedophilia.

There's still the "truth in libel" doctrine and James's own writings on this blog would be evidence to the truth of those charges.

Loretta said...

"James could file a suit in civil court against the twit for her charges of pedophilia."

His own words convict him of the charge, creeper.

Commonsense said...

Oh and insults aren't covered by libel laws. One can hurl insults at anyone else till cows come home and not even get close to libel.


Libel is the publishing of false and defamatory information that harms the reputation of the person who is the object of the libel.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump approval is at 36%.

Republicans are increasingly uncomfortable with The President and many of them are not going to run for their seat in house .

Fivethirtyeight is predicting the house of representatives will Democratic majority. Issel is retiring. Quinnipiac university poll shows that the President has 36% approval and 59% disapproval.

The economy will not have a major impact on the election.

He's the head of the Republican party, and the boat is stinking ....sinking !

He might be able to sue me for this.

If he had his way, people on the social media, would have submit their posts to be assured that the posts weren't libelous before publication.

Anonymous said...

Libel is the publishing of false and defamatory information that harms the reputation of the person who is the object of the libel.
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well, this wouldn't be the first time the alky went apeshit over something he knows absolutely nothing about.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Your charges against James is the publishing of false and defamatory information that harms the reputation of the person who is the object of the libel.

He could sue your old ass off.

Loretta said...

"He could sue your old ass off."

LMAO.

What a ditz.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I'm going to sue your fat ass off.

I know a lot more about libel laws that you do, beyond a doubt tha Olinsky alky and addict that you don't know much about anything.

Commonsense said...

The trick is Roger is the word "false". James is going to have a hard time proving it false when his own words say it's true.

Commonsense said...

I know a lot more about libel laws that you do

You just demonstrated by your own posts that you know absolutely nothing about libel laws.

Do stop embarrassing yourself.

Loretta said...

"I'm going to sue your fat ass off." - Roger Lynn Amick

This is what a diseased mind looks like, LMAO.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The first Amendment to the Constitution of the United States is not popular here. For now.

If President Pocahontas sued Fox News and threatened to sue anyone who was even considering a book study on her failing Presidency you would go nuclear. But when Trump is proposing a repeal in effect on the first Amendment. Yippee go get em!

Loretta said...

LOL.

Roger Lynn Amick wonders why he doesn't have posting privileges on the real blog, LMAO!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You actually believe that I'm just an ignorant drunk.

I am a genius and a stable genius at bat.

LOL Adios Amigos

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

rrb and balls doesn't have posting privileges either.

Loretta said...

"You actually believe that I'm just an ignorant drunk."

Yep.

Loretta said...

"rrb and balls doesn't have posting privileges either."

Neither of them whine about it.

Commonsense said...

I see Roger can't help but embarrass himself.

It's fascinating however to see him defend the 1st amendment when he think it helps him score points against Trump.

And then overthrow it at the thought of a nice religious couple politely refusing to bake a cake.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

IQ approximately 140. And a stable genius at that. George W Bush is a recovering alcoholic. Trump's family has a history of alcoholism. Since be doesn't go to work until 11:00 AM, maybe he's following the Nixon life behind closed doors?

2055 days twit

Loretta said...

"I see Roger can't help but embarrass himself."

Nothing new.

Loretta said...

"You actually believe that I'm just an ignorant drunk."

Absolutely.

Loretta said...

"IQ approximately 140."

So says Facebook, LMAO!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

In supporting threatening the First Amendment and your endorsement I see you are once again embarrassing yourself.

Not me.

Commonsense said...

It's been my experience that if somebody is really smart.

He doesn't have to brag that he is smart.

Loretta said...

Roger Amick January 9, 2018 at 8:13 PM

I took a Facebook IQ test.

I'm a sane and sure genius. I have a 149 IQ . It is on Facebook"

Commonsense said...

In supporting threatening the First Amendment and your endorsement I see you are once again embarrassing yourself.

That is only your opinion that it threatens the 1st amendment. Therefore, you're saying "If you don't agree with my opinion you are once again embarrassing yourself."

That in itself is an intellectually shallow and embarrassing argument.

Commonsense said...

Roger is bragging about a facebook IQ test?

Now that's really embarrassing as well as pathetic.

I suppose that's his compensation for not being invited to join Mensa.

Anonymous said...

I know a lot more about libel laws that you do
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really alky?

so tell us, please, how did you become such a resident expert on libel laws? i know of exactly no one in my circle of friends and acquaintances who have ever had the need to delve into the world of libel laws. it's just never been an issue.

so please, tell us what life and legal experiences you have endured to become such an expert on libel laws.

or is it possible alky, that you're just talking out your ass again as you try to pass yourself off as the resident expert on EVERYTHING around here?

140 IQ?

take a test and post the results, alky.

me thinks you've been full of shit on that particular issue since day ONE.

the truth is alky is that CH nailed you a few days back. you're nothing more than a mildly narcissistic fraud and a failure who, after drinking one liver to death graduated to opiates to feed your addictions. and as you've illustrated, it's not beneath you to troll your local ER for a fix when the latest doctor you've shopped has cut you off.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
In supporting threatening the First Amendment
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threatening the first amendment, alky?

heh.

there's no threat, sport. trump's just tired of being lied about every waking minute of every day so he expresses a little frustration. and you, being the histrionic drama queen that you are, completely collapses on your fainting couch because trump dares to effectively call the msm what they are - a pack of lying assholes.


facebook IQ test, eh?

nice.

i guess that makes you a veritable intellectual giant among your handful of AA followers. the pied piper einstein of piss drunk assholes.




Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Not Facebook. Obviously your obsession with me has gone to Facebook to see my comments. I got 149 On that ridiculous link. I thought it was ridiculous.

I'm going to say this again.

In 1963 the Rapid City schools had students take IQ and other tests on reading and writing abilities.

I scored at a level that the principal called me into the office and told me that I have a far above average score in both tests. IQ approximately 140 as I remember. One of you obsessed with me can find them. I also scored at college level in English and vocabulary.

I'm the first person who believes that I didn't pursue a higher level of education and that was a mistake. But I don't live in a world of regret.

I read extensively on the libel laws to refresh my memory and sorry folks, I understand that the President is ignorant about the Constitution, and especially the history the Constitution and the Federalist papers. I have read them all.

I was a big time nerd, I read the entire American Encyclopedia, 25 books. I went to the library on the bus and got history books, biographical books, and science fiction. The librarian would set books aside for me.

Fire away spam by the alky. Alky alky alky alky alky alky blah blah

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

rrb, your ignorance on libelous statements about politicians would take four word. You don't know shit.

The level for libel on politicians are very high and almost unreachable. There reason is that politicians are subject to intense attention. The reason why it's so high is because they have to answer to those they serve.

Anonymous said...

I was a big time nerd, I read the entire American Encyclopedia, 25 books. I went to the library on the bus and got history books, biographical books, and science fiction. The librarian would set books aside for me.
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i don't believe i have ever known a person, either on-line or in person, who has ever bragged so much about themselves in a forum of those he has never met.

your self esteem and feelings of adequacy must be as low as a human being's can go. and i can understand why. you drink your way to a used liver, and then you switch to opioids to kill the pain that is your shitpile of your life.

you know alky, you're the kind of guy i could feel some empathy towards if you weren't such a weapons grade fucking asshole.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Not that you care, but I'm here to distract me from the pain my lovely wife is not feeling good enough to go home.

So the name calling means nothing.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I posted that to demonstrate how ignorant you are. You can't read well enough to understand that I'm refutiating every single insult.

I'm not addicted to anything.

But since all you have are third grade insults, go fuck yourself. 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😁😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

wphamilton said...

I see that you're following along with this red herring obsession with the Steele dossier, that the Trump-wing apologists are pushing.

Reasonable observers will acknowledge the probability that some of the information is valid, some may be true but not validated, and some may be invalid rumors. Objectively, the FBI investigations - apparently there are several - were spurred by information from several sources.

Take a step back and look at it realistically: what you're peddling is literally a conspiracy theory, and a relatively far-fetched one. We didn't have some Russian sources, GRB, make up damaging mis-information about Trump, which then infiltrated the FBI who hatched a scheme to use it as a pretext for a legal coup. All while keeping the pretext a secret and strenuously denying it.

Anonymous said...

Sen DiFi leaks documents. She blamed it on a cold.

Bitch lied

Myballs said...

Perhaps you can tell us which parts of the dossier have been validated.

What reasonable observers are now concluding is that it is a bogus document improperly used to obtain a fisa warrant against the trump campaign.

Anonymous said...

Good question, myballs

Myballs said...

An old chinese proverb for Roger...

Those who say, don't do
Those who do, don't say

Think about it

Anonymous said...

"The economy will not have a major impact on the Election" low IQ HB

Wait he is a guinus on Freak FakeBook.

wphamilton said...

Let's see what the FBI says about the details when all investigations are complete, since they and intelligence agencies are the ones who can ultimately verify information.

In general, efforts by Russian authorities to cultivate Trump with potential business deals and political information are plausible and consistent with other information. The claims that Russia could provide information about Hillary Clinton proved accurate: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national

Anonymous said...




that would be your conspiracy, wp. not ours.

what's interesting is how the FBI seems to be backing into the verification of the dossier contents. sort of a half-assed 'trust but verify' where they leapt to the 'trust' part, but only now are getting around to the 'verify' part. steele's story is becoming more laughable by the day, and the fusion gps boys are shitting a brick over their finances becoming public.


Objectively, the FBI investigations - apparently there are several - were spurred by information from several sources.


huh. so it's only NOW that we're discovering that the FBI has "several sources" when this was originally hatched as an investigation with an unvetted and unverified dossier.

like i said, even the untrained eye can quickly conclude that the FBI is in scramble mode, furiously manufacturing bullshit to be passed off as additional sources as they back into some half-assed conspiratorial conclusion.

good luck stretching this running joke into the 2018 midterms wp. because that's what's REALLY going on here.



Anonymous said...

Anonymous wphamilton said...
Let's see what the FBI says about the details when all investigations are complete,


indeed.

and let's title it: "october surprise."


The claims that Russia could provide information about Hillary Clinton proved accurate:

well duh. phishing john podesta's gmail provided a plethora of information. we've known that for quite a while.

and it's nice to see DHS make an offer to assist with cyber security and forensics. the FBI made the same offer and the DNC went to crowd strike instead. i wonder why they did that? i mean, they couldn't possibly have been doing anything illegal...








Commonsense said...

Reasonable observers will acknowledge the probability that some of the information is valid

After a year in FBI custody and their inability to validate the contents reasonable people can conclude that it's nothing but a pile of shit.

wphamilton said...

What reasonable observers are now concluding is that it is a bogus document improperly used to obtain a fisa warrant against the trump campaign.

If by "reasonable observers" you mean exclusively the group of conservative Republicans who are attacking our law enforcement institutions to defend Trump, and by "concluding" you mean pushing the conspiracy theory of the FBI targeting Trump because they voted for Clinton, then in that case it sounds about right.

wphamilton said...

huh. so it's only NOW that we're discovering that the FBI has "several sources" when this was originally hatched as an investigation with an unvetted and unverified dossier.

Nope. That entire scenario is the invention of conspiracy theorists.

wphamilton said...

After a year in FBI custody and their inability to validate the contents reasonable people can conclude that it's nothing but a pile of shit.

The disposition of any portions relevant to continuing investigations would not be published. You have no way of knowing whether that conclusion is even remotely accurate.

Anonymous said...

WP, the FBI is not,repeat , NOT, the sole voice of "ultimatEly verify information".

Walmart, raising wages , oh oh, reason, keeping moreoney, paying less to Federal Gumment.

Anonymous said...

Left ,coined term foryourproblem.

"Trump Delusion Dossier"

Yep .

Commonsense said...

You have no way of knowing whether that conclusion is even remotely accurate.

"Salacious and unverified" is what James Comey call it under oath. I think that a rather good indication.

Commonsense said...

Michael Wolff and the Death Rattle of Trumpophobia

It is to this pitiful, water-filled, rat-infested trench of last defense that the stragglers and quasi-deserters of the Trumpophobic flat-earth resistance have retreated, and the buglers urging them forward into no-man’s land against the Trump machine guns are the two most fraudulent scoundrels in all of the American information industry: Carl Bernstein and Michael Wolff. The nasty little secret, singing joyously above the battlefield like a lark, is that Donald Trump is a very capable president, and has had the best first year of any president since Nixon, if not Eisenhower, or even FDR. To appreciate what has happened, a little perspective is needed: Trump’s candidacy was a joke; then he was unelectable, then his election could be invalidated, then he could be impeached, and then he could be removed for past harassment of women, or violating the Logan Act, or obstruction of justice, and now mental incapacity.

Donald Trump is a strange cat and an acquired taste, but he is one of the most vivid, and one of the most astoundingly successful figures of American history. I predict that a year from now, David Brooks and Bret Stephens will be at least closet supporters, even if they have sociocultural clothespins on their noses.

Anonymous said...

Yep, only the true belivers that Hillary was Cheated out of her place in history are still hanging on.

Myballs said...

No. My reasonable people include some never trumpers who are objectivity recognizing the lack of veracity in the dossier. I would reference Lindsay Graham as example.

Your turn. Who are your reasonable people?

wphamilton said...

Comey's "Statement for the Record Senate Select Committee on Intelligence" did NOT allege that the Steele Dossier was "salacious and unverified", let alone that everything in it was.

He DID testify that the media was about to report on information that WAS salacious and unverified, and that he briefed Trump to alert him to the finding of the Intelligence Community assessment as of that time.

You are incorrectly generalizing that warning to apply to every specific allegation in the Steele Dossier.

And in fact, when asked specifically about allegations contained in the Steele Dossier, Comey under oath explicitly declined to say that the criminal allegations were not confirmed. "Mr. Chairman, I don’t think that’s a question I can answer in an open setting because it goes into the details of the investigation."

wphamilton said...

As a matter of fact, Comey under later questioning confirmed that "salacious" pertained to only some of the allegations in the Dossier. Likely the sexual deviancy portions.

"(Trump) just wanted to reiterate his rejection of that allegation and talk about—- he’d thought about it more. And why he thought it wasn’t true. The verified — unverified and salacious parts."

Clearly Trump was concerned about a particular allegation, and Comey has narrowed the "salacious and unverified" description to only parts of it. You are reading what you want to see in it, but it's just not there.

Anonymous said...

He DID testify that the media was about to report on information that WAS salacious and unverified
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which WAS the golden pee pee dossier REPORTED by buzzfeed and then cnn.

good God, wp. i always would have expected juvenile semantic games to be beneath you. but since trump was elected, apparently not anymore.

Anonymous said...

WP has changed.

Loretta said...

Bitter TDS.

Anonymous said...

Clearly Trump was concerned about a particular allegation, and Comey has narrowed the "salacious and unverified" description to only parts of it. You are reading what you want to see in it, but it's just not there.
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uh huh.

and let me guess...

clearly only the "verified" and "non-salacious" portions of the dossier were the portions used to secure the FISA warrants the 0linsky administration used to eavesdrop on trump tower.

wphamilton said...

I'm just reading what is there, not what the political posturing on either side claims is there.

It's pretty obvious isn't it, that Comey would warn President-elect Trump that allegations of deviant behavior were about to be published? Allegations which furthermore are not particularly relevant to the investigations already in progress. Why would he not, and why would that warning discredit everything in those documents? Especially when Comey himself in sworn testimony refused to say that everything there was unconfirmed, and implied that his warning was indeed related to only that part?

Word games are these semantic twisting of his testimony to claim that everything in those documents were unvarnished lies. I'm just giving you the straight-forward literal truth of what Comey said.

wphamilton said...

"Trump Suggests FBI Used Dossier To Get FISA Warrant On His Campaign"

It's a theory, aggressively pushed by Fox News, but I haven't seen any verification of that.

If something from the dossier WAS used for an "unmasking" warrant for intercepted communications, it was probably something which was validated from other sources.

Anonymous said...

Why would he not, and why would that warning discredit everything in those documents? Especially when Comey himself in sworn testimony refused to say that everything there was unconfirmed, and implied that his warning was indeed related to only that part?
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no one is saying that the warning discredited the documents. but comey and the FBI did take exactly zero steps to verify a single word of the dossier - or who paid for it - before they presented it to the president.

i can conclude that the fundamental police work performed by the FBI was grossly incompetent. or i can conclude that the police work done, or not done, was performed with a malicious intent. what i would be foolish to conclude is that any of this was on the up and up, and that comey and his minions did not act with malice and a nefarious intent to fuck with the trump campaign and subsequent presidency. comey is as dirty a cop as has ever existed.

i was born at night, but not last night.

wphamilton said...

As far as I am aware, Obama's Attorney General of the Justice Department unethically requested unmasking of the individuals from the Trump Tower intercepts without FISA warrants.

wphamilton said...

no one is saying that the warning discredited the documents.

CS did. You agreed with him.

but comey and the FBI did take exactly zero steps to verify a single word of the dossier - or who paid for it - before they presented it to the president.

Where do you get this?

Anonymous said...

It's pretty obvious isn't it, that Comey would warn President-elect Trump that allegations of deviant behavior were about to be published? Allegations which furthermore are not particularly relevant to the investigations already in progress. Why would he not, and why would that warning discredit everything in those documents? Especially when Comey himself in sworn testimony refused to say that everything there was unconfirmed, and implied that his warning was indeed related to only that part?
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interesting.

so going forward, if something such as this surfaces again, the FBI has absolutely no obligation to independently verify any of it before presenting to the president.

huh.

perhaps those who criticize trump for allegedly blowing off various briefings could take a moment to understand trump's motivation. especially since the accuracy of any info he's being presented is less accurate than your average 10-day weather forecast.

wp, i feel compelled to thank you for confirming what i had been suspecting for a while now. our FBI is a fucking joke and is literally nothing more than a high $$$ money suck from the federal treasury. settle into a cushy job there, get assigned to a palatial palace like the one here in albany built not too many years ago, put your feet up and do your 20. then your fat pension kicks in. those with a modicum of ambition can double dip with another government agency. the rest just move to florida.

fidelity, bravery, and integrity has been replaced by fucking corruption, blatant greed and incompetence.

and it's no wonder that lesser and more local enforcement agencies have been irritated and insulted by FBI involvement with crimes under investigation.. they've obviously been privy to this for years, while we're just learning it now.



Anonymous said...

Where do you get this?
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

from you.

unverified and salacious.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous wphamilton said...
As far as I am aware, Obama's Attorney General of the Justice Department unethically requested unmasking of the individuals from the Trump Tower intercepts without FISA warrants.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


and she used samantha power to request it.

the ultimate irony of this entire clusterfuck is while we're investigating trump, et. al., we should be investigating the 0linsky west wing, intel apparatus, DOJ, AND the clintons.

instead we're watching the left ejaculate over papadopulos' drunken braggadocio.

hillary's "willing suspension of disbelief" sure has come in handy for me. that plus my cynicism and dark sense of humor.

man, are we ever getting rolled. if you thought the con began and ended with the election of 0linsky you are sadly mistaken.





Anonymous said...

One of the most contentious issues surrounding the Trump dossier is the question of whether the FBI used unverified material from the dossier — a Clinton campaign opposition research product — to apply for permission to spy on Americans. Investigators from both House and Senate have long wanted to see any FISA applications (that is, spying requests filed with the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court) that dealt with the Trump-Russia affair.

Now, they have seen them.

Sources on both Capitol Hill and in the executive branch have confirmed that representatives of four committees — the House Intelligence Committee, Senate Intelligence Committee, House Judiciary Committee, and Senate Judiciary Committee — have had the opportunity to examine FISA documents in a secure room at the Justice Department. They were not allowed to take the documents out of the room or to copy them, but they could make notes. They thus know the answer to the was-the-dossier-used-for-spying question.

So what is the answer? For the moment, it's classified. (Just for the record: I don't know it.) There might be articles and commentary written on the assumption that the FBI did or did not use the dossier material with the FISA court, but right now it appears the information has not leaked, and those articles and commentary are based on assumptions rather than hard information.

The challenge for House and Senate investigators is to get the information to the public. One option is to ask the executive branch to declassify it. The problem is that simply getting the information out of the FBI and Justice Department has been like pulling teeth. Another option is to have the president himself declassify it. The problem is that it is probably a good idea for President Trump to stay out of a congressional investigative process that focuses on his campaign. Yet another option is for Congress to exercise its little-known authority to declassify. The problem is that it is a long and complicated process.

Maybe it would be better to just do an old-fashioned leak. The problem with that is that it would open the leaker to the legitimate charge of revealing classified information. Whether that happens could depend on how widely the information is disseminated inside Congress. The more members and staff who know, the more likely it will get out.

On June 27, 2017, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles Grassley and subcommittee Chairman Lindsey Graham wrote a letter to the FBI and Justice Department seeking "all proposed FISA applications that the FBI and Justice Department submitted to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC)" in the course of investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election. The request included "the FISC's responses to such proposed FISA applications; all final, signed FISA applications that the FBI and the Justice Department submitted to the FISC; and the FISC's responses to the final, signed applications."

It's not clear whether Grassley and Graham got everything they wanted. But it is clear that congressional investigators know some very critical facts regarding the dossier's role in the Trump-Russia investigation, and it is time the public did, too.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-yes-congress-has-seen-trump-russia-secret-court-surveillance-documents-now-what/article/2645498

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Spam by the racist bastard.

The Washington Examiner.

Fake News.

Loretta said...

Go back to bed drunkard, two adults are talking.

Commonsense said...

The silence of Adam Schiff says everything.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
Spam by the racist bastard.

The Washington Examiner.

Fake News.
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oh, hey alky! how's the mail order bride? did you score some narcotics?



and btw, i'm ready for this whenever you are, sport:


Blogger Roger Amick said...

rrb.

Challenge me in an Intellectual Debate,and I will send you back to your Trailer Park in Tears.
Trumpflake!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Senator Feinstein released the transcript of the Senate intelligence committee. The public has access to the investigation.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Loretta said...
Go back to bed drunkard, two adults are talking.
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was he in bed? i figgered he was building his new blog...

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

One adult and two Trumpism stage four mentality victims.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
One adult and two Trumpism stage four mentality victims.
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so, you just took attendance in your mail order bride's hospital room. that's nice.

the adult must be the nurse.



Loretta said...

"was he in bed? i figgered he was building his new blog..."

The chicken shit is a coward. He knows he would fail miserably.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Correction

Two adults. wp shredded the racist bastard. The twit just performs ******* on rrb.🤣🤣🤣

Loretta said...

LOL. There's a loving husband!

Wife is in the hospital. Instead of visiting her AND visiting WITH her, he's commenting on a blog.

GREAT relationship you got there Roger.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Loretta said...
LOL. There's a loving husband!

Wife is in the hospital. Instead of visiting her AND visiting WITH her, he's commenting on a blog.
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LOL! excellent observation. poor mail order bride is bed-ridden with pneumonia and the alky can't put down CHT long enough to even acknowledge her.

Loretta said...

LOL.

Anonymous said...

Hillary paid for the yellow stream dossier. WP believes it is verified .

Anonymous said...

No wonder she did not put him on the Deed to her home.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Wal-Mart just announced that they are increasing their minimum wage to $11.00 per hour and adding bonuses for performance.

Good news.

But I do find something interesting. I 1978 I was making 12:00 per hour plus benefits. Health care and a defined benefit pension.

Myballs said...

Who the f*ck cares?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I'm going to see my lovely wife. We text and I will be there later.

K'putz is obsessed with me because he has repeatedly posted publicly available data on my family. I'm not on the loan because when we got married almost 9 years ago and I moved into her home. I later sold my home in Fullerton.

It's been in her name from day one of our marriage. She likes it that way. But k'putz doesn't understand "community property". I'm effectively the co-owner of the house.

It's not a dump. And similar homes are selling at let's say well over half a million.

Adios amigos from the non addicted concerned husband.🎀

Anonymous said...

Consumer Confidence soared to a 17 year high. Racing past Pres* .

But, today the Facebook tested guinus HB, told us the US Economy will matter not in 2018 Election

Myballs said...

Feinstein is already backing away from her closed transcript release, blaming her action on a bad cold.

Yes it was a dumb idea.

Anonymous said...

HB changes his story again.

I fully understand community property.
I have never posted data on your life, you did it for us. I only used the CA Public Open Records law to expose your lies.

Anonymous said...

CA community property Law
"Property aquire prior to a civil union is exclueded".

You're wrong again HB. Your wife has excluded you from the deed.

Anonymous said...

HB, " Effectively the co-owner of the house".

Not in CA. You are confused between CP and SP.

wphamilton said...

so going forward, if something such as this surfaces again, the FBI has absolutely no obligation to independently verify any of it before presenting to the president.

huh.


Well first off, he wasn't President.

Second, Comey wasn't presenting the Dossier information. He was briefing an IC assessment, and a warning of what the press were up to.

wphamilton said...

It's not clear whether Grassley and Graham got everything they wanted. But it is clear that congressional investigators know some very critical facts regarding the dossier's role in the Trump-Russia investigation, and it is time the public did, too.

From that article you quoted, it's only clear that the basis for those FISA warrants is classified, and that no one including the authors and you and me, know what they were.

I don't see how you can infer, from this, that the FBI used portions of the Steele Dossier validated or otherwise, as the basis for FISA warrants.

Anonymous said...

Second, Comey wasn't presenting the Dossier information. He was briefing an IC assessment, and a warning of what the press were up to.
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oooh whee. a distinction without a difference.

solve the mystery for me, wp. do you call it tomay-to or tomah-to?

Anonymous said...

I don't see how you can infer, from this, that the FBI used portions of the Steele Dossier validated or otherwise, as the basis for FISA warrants.
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call it a hunch, with it's basis being a long history of deeply corrupt and highly partisan behavior.

you see, wp...

when you begin to operate from the basis that the entire intel and law enforcement apparatus was and is totally and completely corrupt, it sweeps away the fog created by all of trump's enemies in the previous administration.

this is pure occam's razor stuff. not complicated at all, really. their biggest mistake? not accommodating for or planning against the possibility that hillary clinton could possibly lose an election she was most assuredly supposed to win.

and that's really why we're here discussing all this ad nauseum. because she was supposed to win. and she couldn't... even with all the corrupt help from the 0linsky regime.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

pressure was183 /103

Anonymous said...



mail order bride's BP alky, or yours?



and either or, why the fuck do you think we care?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

call it a hunch.

A genius at work

wphamilton said...

oooh whee. a distinction without a difference.

Intelligence assessment of Russian interference, that which is presented as known was valid and verified. That which is probable is presented as such, with an assessment of how confident the community is. A warning that the press is going to publish some unverified accusation, of course the accusation is not validated.

It's a huge difference. And anything BUT "presented to the President with not one word verified" as you initially claimed.

call it a hunch, (that warrants were predicated on fabricated intelligence)

I see, just a hunch with no factual basis. Trump tweeted that hunch, Fox is pushing that hunch also without a factual basis, so your non-factual hunch is that their non-factual hunch is correct.

Anonymous said...




hey rog, please surrender your pussy hat to the proper authorities...



The Pensacola, Florida branch of the Women’s March is banning the symbolic pink pussy hats to avoid offending transgender women and women of color.

In a statement posted to the Pensacola Women’s March’s Facebook page, the group argues that the hats assume that all women have pink vaginas, which represents a “very concentrated and thus, exclusionary sect of feminism.”

First, the hats are allegedly transphobic because they ignore transgender women who don’t have vaginas — otherwise known as men who identify as women but choose not to have transitional surgery.

“The Pink P*ssy Hat reinforces the notion that woman = vagina and vagina = woman, and both of these are incorrect,” the group claims.

Furthermore, the group considers the hats to be racist because they assume that all vaginas are pink, which is “white-focused and Eurocentric.”

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/10/pensacola-womens-march-bans-py-hats-because-theyre-transphobic/

Anonymous said...

Intelligence assessment of Russian interference, that which is presented as known was valid and verified.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


as opposed to the ENTIRE dossier, the unverified and salacious parts of which were good enough to capture a FISA warrant, but not for much else, especially briefing trump.

so what you're saying is that comey and clapper and who knows who else ran the dossier through the government bullshit machine and then presented it as what? troubling? offensive? potentially hazardous?

wp, i'm going to suggest that you hang tough on what you obviously have a lot emotionally invested in. i'm sure that mueller and schiff appreciate the moral support. just make sure you have an umbrella when this whole thing unravels and the shit hits the rotor blades.

wphamilton said...

Walmart is closing dozens of Sam's Clubs across the nation and laying off thousands of workers. The prevailing thought in this blog is that confidence in Trump drives employment and business expansion. These are some of Trump's victories we're told, "winning bigly". It follows that layoffs and business contraction is driven by loss of confidence in Trump, and represent his failures.

So I'm wondering if any of the party faithful will express dismay over Trump's failure causing Walmart business contraction. I won't be holding my breath though.

Anonymous said...

I see, just a hunch with no factual basis.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


yes!

just like mueller's. and schiff's. and the DNC's. and MSDNC's. ets., etc., etc..


you see, in a broad interpretation of the first amendment, for every factually baseless hunch of yours, i'm allowed one of my own.

wphamilton said...

as opposed to the ENTIRE dossier, the unverified and salacious parts of which were good enough to capture a FISA warrant,

you mean your self-proclaimed hunch, which you admit has no factual basis and was unsupported by the article that you cited at length.

Anonymous said...

Walmart confirmed to Business Insider that 63 U.S. stores will be closed in total.

Some employees in Houston told local news station KHOU 11 News that they didn’t know about a closure until they showed up for work that day.

A Sam’s Club spokeswoman Anne Hatfield spoke to WBRZ 2 in Baton Rouge about the closure of the Cortana store, calling the decision “very complex.”

“It’s supply and demand,” Hatfield told the local news station.

http://fortune.com/2018/01/11/sams-club-stores-abruptly-close-across-the-country/



GASP!!!!!

you mean to tell me that walmart made a business decision based upon the most fundamental economic business law of "supply and demand???"

ridiculous.

any liberal will tell you that walmart can continue to let these stores lose money ad infinitum, because they can just print more money and never hold anyone accountable for the failure.

oh wait. scratch that. that's GOVERNMENT that get's to do the money printing/no accountability thingy. private sector businesses need to actually make money to survive.

never mind.


Anonymous said...

you mean your self-proclaimed hunch, which you admit has no factual basis and was unsupported by the article that you cited at length.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

wp c'mon. even the york article was careful to make clear that there was no factual claim at this point that the dossier was the basis for the FISA warrants. but it is hardly a leap of faith to assume, on a hunch, that it was.

if i'm wrong i'll do something a liberal would never do - i'll gladly admit it.

in other words, it's less of s stretch to think the dossier led to the FISA warrants than it is to think trump colluded with russia, russia, russia.

wphamilton said...

you mean to tell me that walmart made a business decision based upon the most fundamental economic business law of "supply and demand???"

Normally I'd tell you that, and I'd figure that Walmart's momentary fiscal position had something to do with it. Yet ColdHeart instructs that those aren't the things that drive employment and business expansion decisions. It's Trump. Business confidence in Trump is responsible for businesses hiring more, and businesses expanding and investing. Not supply and demand, not financial position. So if it works in that direction, it has to work in the other direction as well.

Unless you agree with me instead, that it DOES have to do with supply and demand, and business strategy, and NOT with "confidence" in Trump, or loss of confidence in Trump.

Myballs said...

Walmart can probably thank Amazon's expansion more than anything.

Myballs said...

No one said every business expansion is due to trump. But Some are.

Indy Voter said...

Walmart closed some of these stores today. Zero warning to the employees. Or the members of those Sam's Club locations.

wphamilton said...

wp c'mon. even the york article was careful to make clear that there was no factual claim at this point that the dossier was the basis for the FISA warrants. but it is hardly a leap of faith to assume, on a hunch, that it was.

No factual claim, because there is no factual basis for the claim. That makes the claim by definition, a leap of faith.

By fixating on a bogus claim (by definition) about the justification of a FISA warrant, the politicians that you're listening to are obscuring the true problem with that court. It's not that some warrant had a sketchy basis. The problem is that ALL of their warrants have a sketchy basis. It is a secret court, rubber-stamping intelligence requests without necessarily even requiring fact-based reasonable cause. The COURT is unconstitutional, the court's actions are unconstitutional, and the court itself must be abolished.

Every one of those politicians who loudly bray about the "salacious document" as "the basis for a warrant" is a hypocritical douche-bag who supports and maintains that court, as long as it doesn't diminish his own interests.

wphamilton said...

Anonymous Myballs said...
No one said every business expansion is due to trump. But Some are.


That would be another one of those "hunches" wouldn't it, based on the leap of faith needed to show your favored politician in a good light.

wphamilton said...

I am reasonable, I will grant direct effects on business from Trump's actions. For example sales of potassium iodide (anti-radiation) have increased dramatically since Trump got wound up with his nuclear bomb bombast. Somebody is probably hiring people to help fill those orders. Trump gets credit for that.

I'm tempted to get in on that act, and yep that would be due to Trump. Us old-timers can dredge up memories of Cold War era preparations. Yeh some people, even smart people, had fatalistic attitudes. "In nuclear war, that's it, it's all over." But there ARE things you can do to survive, ways to prepare, provided the initial strike and aftermath doesn't kill you. I think an enterprising person could put together a "Nuke Kit". Maybe expand with other "Trump Kits" covering other potential calamities.

Myballs said...

No it's not a hunch. It's based on economic and tax policy. We've heard business leaders say so, most recently because of the new tax legislation.

You're being deliberately obnoxious about this. Not sure why

Commonsense said...

He's run out of rational arguments.

Anonymous said...

HB, completely wrong on property rights you thought you had because you married a home owner.

CA law, you might want to bring facts to one debate in your life.

wphamilton said...

We've heard business leaders say so, most recently because of the new tax legislation.

If you could show some SEC filing demonstrating that, your point would be taken. I haven't seen any such, nor had I seen any actual expansions in 2017 due to anticipated tax legislation. Possibly some advocacy ("IF we paid less in taxes we could increase hiring" - yeah, right), but that isn't what you're claiming. Is it?

I'm looking for actual, verifiable facts. Not hypothetical reactions to next year's taxes.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

wp has run amok over CS and rrb.

They have run out of rational thoughts and all they have are hunches.

Anonymous said...

"183/103" HB

Really, so you have high blood preassure.

Normal is 120/80.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Not me. My lovely wife.

Anonymous said...

WP , you are kidding us. RIGHT?

Calling for the decline of Walmart.

wphamilton said...

Meanwhile in other "Fake News", Trump announced the delivery of "Call of Duty" F-52 fighter jets to Norway.

The "stable genius" got confused when reading from a statement.

Anonymous said...

Ok, she is like you a health mess.

wphamilton said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
They have run out of rational thoughts and all they have are hunches.


I've got nothing against their hunches, just their presenting them as established facts.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

My vital signs are all good. They are good because I have been talking prescribed medications and regular exercise.

Mine is usually 135/75

Anonymous said...

Walmart Stock
Jan 2017 $68.00
Today. $100.00

Yep, real trouble WP, what an idiot.

Anonymous said...

Jesus , you take 12 pills a day to "lead a healthy style".

You're still wrong on community property Law in CA.

wphamilton said...

Stop babbling KD, it's embarrassing yourself.

Anonymous said...

The greater point is the delivery of the advanced war fighting F-35. Cool

Anonymous said...

A $32.00 per share increase in walmart Stock. 32% increase in value.

wphamilton said...

F-35 jets ARE cool, as is delivery to Norway.

F-52's are way cooler, but fictional.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Lydia is going home this afternoon.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I take 35 pills a day.

Anonymous said...

She is going home, yep to her home, not yours.

Loser, 66 years old and zero home ownership. Zero.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they floated restoring protections for immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to two people briefed on the meeting.

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met Wednesday.

Commonsense said...

According to "two people briefed on the meeting".

So it's anonymous, and it's not first hand knowledge.

Since there were Democrats lawmakers in the meeting it no doubt came for Democrat staff and most likely embellished if not outright made up.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Even Fox News is covering the President and his foul language. It sounds like a 71 year old white man.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I will bet $100.00 that rrb loves the President and his racial discrimination comments.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The White House is not denying the President and his comments.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

This is going to be a bombshell. His irrational tweets today and "Why are we having all these people from shithole
countries come here?” are more evidence that he's not mentally stable or worse.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The silence is deafening roar.

caliphate4vr said...

Qassem Soleimani would be dead if Trump had been president instead of Bumble and he wouldn't have shared Israeli intelligence with Iran

Anonymous said...

So far HB has found 497 bombshells that WILL. take Trump out.

Myballs said...

You actually want me to start researching sbd reading company filings until I find with specific language detailing Economic expansion attributed to current administration policy??

I can only conclude that you're creating an absurd wild goose chase that i would never waste my time on.

Do you really deny that we've seen corporate leaders offer public comments acknowledging a more business friendly administration is in place?

Anonymous said...

They are shit hole countries. Liberal Snowflakes melt .

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Racist In Oval Office
Trump Slams Protections For Immigrants From ‘Shithole’ Countries
The president reportedly suggested the U.S. needs fewer immigrants from Haiti and Africa, and more from places like Norway.



In an Oval Office meeting with lawmakers on Thursday, President Donald Trump described Haiti and African nations as “shithole” countries in slamming the idea of restoring protections for immigrants from those regions.

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” the president said, sources told The Washington Post. The remarks were later confirmed by NBC News, BuzzFeed and CNN.

Trump then said the U.S. “should have more people from places like Norway,” sources told NBC News.

White House principal deputy press secretary Raj Shah responded in a statement to CBS News on Thursday afternoon, saying, “Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people.”

The president “will always reject temporary, weak and dangerous stopgap measures that threaten the lives of hardworking Americans, and undercut immigrants who seek a better life in the United States through a legal pathway,” Raj added.

He didn't deny the report.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Despite that this is racist, his base will not abandon Trump.

If CH comments, he will find a way to find it acceptable.

James said...

Christina Wilkie

@christinawilkie

.@NBCNews source: As Durbin explained how deal would impact people from Haiti, Trump said, "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here?" Then they got Africa. 'Why do we want these people from all these shithole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway."

The White House is not denying that Trump referred to "shithole countries."

wphamilton said...

Anonymous Myballs said...
You actually want me to start researching sbd reading company filings


I want you to present ANY verifiable fact to support the claim you made. FEC filings are the most obvious, since every publicly traded company files them and they are, technically, supposed to be truthful. If your claim had any factual support, it would be there.

You spoke of all of these business leaders who said they expanded investments and new hiring "most recently because of the new tax legislation." You have no examples of that?

wphamilton said...

Since you cannot cite any examples supporting your claim, myballs, how can we conclude anything other than your claim lacks factual basis? Having no factual basis, it is therefore another "hunch", requiring a leap of faith intending to show your favored politician in a good light.

No different from RRB's leap of faith and CS's hunch.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

His mental condition is deteriorating rapidly.

In just the last two hours.

Reason I canceled my trip to London is that I am not a big fan of the Obama Administration having sold perhaps the best located and finest embassy in London for “peanuts,” only to build a new one in an off location for 1.2 billion dollars. Bad deal. Wanted me to cut ribbon-NO!


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25m
The Democrats seem intent on having people and drugs pour into our country from the Southern Border, risking thousands of lives in the process. It is my duty to protect the lives and safety of all Americans. We must build a Great Wall, think Merit and end Lottery & Chain. USA!

·
2h
Democrat Dianne Feinstein should never have released secret committee testimony to the public without authorization. Very disrespectful to committee members and possibly illegal. She blamed her poor decision on the fact she had a cold - a first!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He is taking credit for the new Toyota plant.

Coming back? Toyota is already the biggest auto manufacturer in America and makes more cars than anywhere else. This expansion has been in the works for a couple of years. Trump again is taking credit for something he didn't do.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Jumping to conclusions, based on a hunch.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The American president claimed on Twitter that his reason for calling off the trip was his displeasure at Barack Obama having sold the current embassy for “peanuts” and built a replacement for $1.2bn. “Bad deal,” he wrote.

But the embassy’s plan to move from Mayfair to Nine Elms in London was first reported in October 2008 - when George W Bush was still president and Obama had not yet been elected.

Theresa May invited Trump for a state visit when she became the first world leader to visit the president in the White House a year ago.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

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Dan Rather
7 hours ago
Trump's comments about immigrants from "shithole countries" is among the worst statements he has ever uttered. It might very well be the worst.

To have this outrage come as we approach the birthday of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. is to cast in sharp relief the moral gulf between America as envisioned by the civil rights activist and our current President. It was Dr. King who said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." By all accounts, Mr. Trump does not now and has never believed in such an America.

This is undeniably and clearly outright racist. It simply cannot be allowed to continue by anyone who cares about the future of this country. This is sad. It is hurtful. It is dangerous. It is unpatriotic. Each elected official, each American, has a choice: where do you stand? Some may say this helps the President with his base. What about how it debases the values of our nation? This rhetoric has to be damned at every turn, at every time. That millions of hard working men, women, and children have lives that hang in the balance at the whims of this President only makes this moment all the more tragic. Make no mistake, America is diminished today in the eyes of the world and in the eyes of history. It will be up to every decent person to make sure that this is not our destiny.

He has to go.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I grew up in the civil right era. Dan Rather points out something that I never thought, that he is a racist.

. It was Dr. King who said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." By all accounts, Mr. Trump does not now and has never believed in such an America.

Anonymous said...

President Trump said basically the Same thing Ted Kennedy said.

Do you ever bother to think for yourselves .

Anonymous said...

Pocahontas Warren asked about Trump's Tax Law working to lower home utility bills, "That's Fantastic".

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
I will bet $100.00 that rrb loves the President and his racial discrimination comments.
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who will you be betting with, alky?

LOL.

you're such a tool.

i don't 'love' the shithole comment for the same reason i don't 'love' calling you an alky and a junkie. both are simply a statement of fact. nothing to love there.


Anonymous said...

I've got nothing against their hunches, just their presenting them as established facts.
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which we have not done, wp. your trolling is ok, but don't become a liar like the alky. that's beneath you.

do i have a "hunch" that the steele dossier was used to secure a fisa warrant? absolutely. i'll even go from calling it a hunch to a "prediction" this morning. but established fact? not quite yet.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
His mental condition is deteriorating rapidly.
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his or yours, alky?

look at yourself. you're in full-on meltdown mode and trump put you there.

btw, is mail order bride still soaking up our medicaid dollars in the hospital, or did you drag her ass home?

Loretta said...

"your trolling is ok, but don't become a liar like the alky. that's beneath you."

Too late.

Anonymous said...

Alky and the home owner of the home he is allowed to live in , bilked the US laborer out of 1.4 million , this year they are off to a killer start.

Loretta said...

"I grew up in the civil right era"

You grew up in lily-white country.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous caliphate4vr said...

Qassem Soleimani would be dead if Trump had been president instead of Bumble and he wouldn't have shared Israeli intelligence with Iran
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The Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida reported that three years ago, Israel was on the verge of liquidating Soleimani near Damascus but the Obama administration tipped off Teheran of Israel’s plans. Soleimani is no ordinary general. He is arguably the world’s premier terrorist and is commander of Iran’s Quds Force, a branch of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, responsible for its overseas mischief-making. Where there is drugs, misery and conflict, it’s a sure bet that Soleimani and his Quds Force are involved.

The elimination of Soleimani would have been a tremendous coup for the West, on par with or perhaps surpassing the assassination of Imad Mughniyah, chief of Hezbollah’s special operations. But the Obama administration, in its sycophantic zeal to curry favor with the mullahs, sabotaged the operation.

Of course, the facts alleged by Al-Jarida are just allegations and have not been confirmed but there is ample reason to believe the veracity of the claim. First, this would not the first time that the Obama administration betrayed an Israeli covert operation.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/269003/did-obama-tip-iran-israeli-plan-take-out-worlds-ari-lieberman






commie said...

And the right wing sycophants continue to fellate the idiot in chief who has magically turned into Rat Hole and his bigotry. Not a peep from Jowls McConnell or Paul Ryan....but his approval will remain at 34% because in reality, that is the compliment of racists that still exist in this country and think his description is apt for the shitholes of the world,.....Me thinks the tidal wave is coming and we shall see with the special election in a very red district if voters are motivated......Very sad.....

Anonymous said...

You grew up in lily-white country.
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LOL. he sure did. the only black folk the alky EVER saw was on TV.

next he'll be telling us he's read all 49 volumes of the encyclopaedia african american britannica or some such bullshit.

Anonymous said...

and think his description is apt for the shitholes of the world,...
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so...

calling a shithole a shithole is problematic all of a sudden?

LOL.

Anonymous said...


As Twitchy told you, Nancy Pelosi sneered at the “crumbs” American workers will get as a result of tax reform. An extra $1000 (or more) in workers’ pockets would be “insignificant” and “pathetic.”

That’s quite a different tune from the one she was singing six years ago:


Nancy Pelosi

@NancyPelosi
Today's agreement is a victory for the American people-they spoke out clearly & #40dollars each paycheck will make a difference.

7:08 PM - Dec 22, 2011


https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/01/11/so-busted-this-nancy-pelosi-flashback-proves-shes-full-of-crap-on-tax-reform/

Anonymous said...




hey alky,

speaking of shitholes, how about posting another pic of the inside of your shithole?

just for comparison to haiti.

Loretta said...

"Nancy Pelosi sneered at the “crumbs” American workers will get as a result of tax reform. An extra $1000 (or more) in workers’ pockets would be “insignificant” and “pathetic.”"

ALL liberals here agree, lol.

Hell, the robber barons of yesteryear are back!

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