So MSNBC is attempting to pass off the fact that John Kelly did not offer to resign, and is not stepping down as Chief of staff as actual news. Think about that for a second. There was never any announcement of the sort. Not from Kelly. Not from Trump. Not from the Press Secretary. Not from anyone in the White House.
The only people making the claim that Kelly was offering to resign, was going to resign, be asked to resign, or otherwise was in jeopardy of losing his job was the news media themselves, led by obviously uninformed anonymous sources from the NY Times.
So I guess what we can take from this headline is that MSNBC actually thinks it's news that one of the NY Times reporters came up with false information and then reported it as actual news. Either that or they actually live in a reality where they believe uninformed anonymous sources know what's real, while what actually happens is the "fake news".
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Think about that for a second. There was never any announcement of the sort. Not from Kelly. Not from Trump. Not from the Press Secretary. Not from anyone in the White House.
CHT, Damn it man did you miss the announcement from HB, that "Kelly is gone by Monday".
Our little crippled low IQ getting yet another one wrong.
The chaotic West Wing is a disaster and it's full of leaks. Your denial of news from anonymous sources as credible, is not credible. Your assumptions and opinions are a knee-jerk rejection of the credibility the free press are proof that you don't have any credibility. Because you obviously believe they are a Secret Society out to get Trump.
The Iranian drone shot down by the Israeli Air Force early Saturday morning appears to have been a relatively new stealth model whose design was stolen from an American unmanned aerial vehicle that was captured by Iran in 2011, according to aviation analysts.:
The Lost Years
Roger.
The NY Times report was wrong. Period.
When did it become acceptable to you for news organization to report incorrect information as "news"?
Iran’s Stealth Drone that Penetrated Israel’s Border a Gift from the Obama Administration
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In your opinion.
I have seen this story, and it makes sense. Trump has been reported by multiple sources, that the President is very upset with Kelly , because the timeline on his comments about Porter look like he was caught lying about when he found out about the abuse charges.
He may or may not that he wrote a letter offering to resign. But "sources" inside the White House said that he had offered to resign. It makes perfect sense to me but then I don't think that the New York Times is intentionally slanted and the reporters are distorting the news to "get" the President. I'm not sure why this is so important to you. You have been going on and on defending the President and claiming Fake News incecently since the election. I don't understand your loyalty at all.
Is it possible that the reporters are in error, yes I say "so what". Shit happens.
It's extensively documented that the President has lied so often it's hard to keep up with them. You have never addressed the issue, unless you believe that every single report on his lying is fake, then .....who knows what or why you don't believe that he lies
Sept. 14, 2017.“Also with the fact that I know in the case of FEMA and the case of Coast Guard, the job you've done in saving people, saving lives. As an example, in Harvey in Texas, we talked – over 16,000 lives.” (The real number is smaller.)
Sept. 14, 2017.“And in Florida you got hit with the strongest winds ever recorded.” (They weren't the strongest ever recorded.)
Sept. 22, 2017.“So he started off here, he was in third or fourth, he went to third, second, and now it's like almost pretty even.” (Strange consistently polled first or second in the Alabama Republican primary.)
Sept. 27, 2017.“I’m doing the right thing, and it’s not good for me.” (All available evidence suggests he would benefit.)
Sept. 27, 2017.“To protect millions of small businesses and the American farmer, we are finally ending the crushing, the horrible, the unfair estate tax.” (The real number of small businesses and farmers is vastly smaller.)
Oct. 6, 2017.“They also just said that there has been absolutely no collusion. They just said that. Yesterday. Two days ago. Senate. There has been no collusion.” (The Senate didn't say that.)
Oct. 10, 2017.“The Failing @nytimes set Liddle' Bob Corker up by recording his conversation. Was made to sound a fool, and that's what I am dealing with!” (Corker asked the Times reporter to record the call; his aides recorded it too.)
Oct. 11, 2017.“We have missiles that can knock out a missile in the air. Ninety seven per cent of the time. If you send two of them, it's going to get knocked out.” (The effectiveness rate is about 60 percent.)
Oct. 16, 2017.“I hear that Ireland is going to be reducing their corporate rates down to 8 percent from 12.” (Ireland has no plans to cut its tax rate.)
Oct. 16, 2017.“If you look at President Obama and other presidents, most of them didn’t make calls.” (They did call families of soldiers killed in action.)
Oct. 16, 2017.“All I can say is it’s totally fake news. It’s just fake. It’s fake. It’s made-up stuff, and it’s disgraceful, what happens, but that happens in the world of politics.” (Trump himself has bragged about groping women.)
Oct. 18, 2017.“Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof).” (The wife confirmed Representative Frederica Wilson's account.)
Oct. 18, 2017.“Nobody has ever heard of a five hitting land.” (Category 5 storms have hit land before.)
Oct. 24, 2017.“Under our plan, more than 30 million Americans who own small businesses will get a 40 per cent cut to their top marginal tax rate.” (The real number is estimated to be less than 1 million.)
Oct. 27, 2017.“Wacky & totally unhinged Tom Steyer, who has been fighting me and my Make America Great Again agenda from beginning, never wins elections!” (Steyer has financially supported many winning candidates.)
Nov. 7, 2017.“When you look at the city with the strongest gun laws in our nation, it's Chicago.” (Several other cities, including New York and Los Angeles, have stronger gun laws.)
Nov. 11, 2017.“I'd rather have him – you know, work with him on the Ukraine than standing and arguing about whether or not – because that whole thing was set up by the Democrats.” (There is no evidence that Democrats "set up" Russian interference in the election.)
When did it become acceptable to let the President lie to the American people over and over again and again?
When did it become acceptable to you let the President attack the Muslim family who's son was KIA?
Harvey caused at least 108 confirmed deaths: 1 in Guyana, and 107 in the United States. Total damage from the hurricane is estimated at $125 billion, making it among the costliest natural disasters ever in the ...
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Sept. 14, 2017.“Also with the fact that I know in the case of FEMA and the case of Coast Guard, the job you've done in saving people, saving lives. As an example, in Harvey in Texas, we talked – over 16,000 lives.”
President Donald J. Trump .
Sept 17, 2017.
James Boswell of Normal, Illinois is a pedophile.
"It was astounding that we didn't have a much larger loss of life," said Phil Bedient, co-director of a Rice University effort to research severe storms and evacuations. "It is a relatively low number for as big a storm as this was."
CHT playing with his low IQ mouse toy
"Roger AmickFebruary 12, 2018 at 2:34 AM
Is it possible that the reporters are in error, yes I say "so what". Shit happens. "
As long as the narrative is followed.
This could have been the White House Press Corp under Barack Obama
Blogger Roger Amick said...
When did it become acceptable to let the President lie to the American people over and over again and again?
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that precedent was set during the 8 years of the 0linsky administration, alky.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Is it possible that the reporters are in error, yes I say "so what". Shit happens.
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so you are advocating for no factual accuracy or journalistic standards in the media just as long as what's reported is damaging to trump.
i see.
thanks for finally admitting what we've known since trump announced his candidacy.
Even HB is erasing and forgetting what it was like during the Lost Years.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
When did it become acceptable to let the President lie to the American people over and over again and again?
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oh, and alky?
let us know when trump finally wrestles the coveted LIE OF THE YEAR crown away from your dear leader.
More bullshit out of kansas....
On December 4, 2011, an American stealth drone was captured by Iranian forces near the city of Kashmar in northeastern Iran. The Iranian government announced that the UAV was brought down by its cyberwarfare unit which commandeered the aircraft and safely landed it. Meaning it wasn’t shot down, as earlier reported. President Obama acknowledged that the downed drone was his, and requested that Iran return it.
The air force did not give a drone to Iran.....nor did obama....the asshole of the plains prefers to worry about someone who is not POTUS.....
When did it become acceptable to let the President lie to the American people over and over again and again?
that precedent was set during the 8 years of the 0linsky administration, alky.
He sort of walked right into that one didn't he Rat?
Oh so old gramps oDopie. The Oblunder Team, demanded the drone in 2011 be returned the moment it was lost over Iran.
Do tell us oPie when was the drone returned.
Keep bashing Israel like you liberals love to do.
Switzerland beat Russia in the mixed doubles curling semi-finals.
Bronze medal match is Russia vs. Norway The gold medal match is Canada vs Switzerland.
"I'm not going to comment on intelligence matters that are classified," Obama said during a Monday press conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. "We have asked for it back. We’ll see how the Iranians respond." Oblunder Dec. 12th, 2011
Give us the date the Iranian moose limbs gave back the drone?
When did it become acceptable to let the President lie to the American people over and over again and again?
Clinton? Obama? Take your pick. I'd say Nixon, but his behavior was not accepted by the American people over and over...
We all expect politicians to "spin" the truth every so often. Think Nancy Pelosi telling us that people will literally roll over and die if the tax cuts passed. Think Adam Schiff telling us that the release of the Nunes memo would give away national security secrets. Politicians lie every day.
We expect the news to be real. We expect the news and those who report it will be correct 99.9% of the time.
But hey, at least you admit what others don't. That NY Times, WaPo, CNN and gang are willing to be wrong when it comes to Trump, and if they are exposed... well shit happens, right?
But then don't expect people to take them seriously and don't go getting all indignant when the people they are openly lying about push back.
He sort of walked 《walkered》 right into that one didn't he Rat?" CS
KD the liar claims Obama gave Iran the drone.....
The Oblunder Team, demanded the drone in 2011 be returned the moment it was lost over Iran.
I guess he should have invaded Iran to get it back. My cat has more brains than you....ESAD aaahole And you accept classified data being handled by wife beaters and in laws who have no clearance....too stupid even for you,...Shoulda coulda woulda mentality of idiots like you are drawn to the liar and chief....women are abandoning him in droves.....LOLOLOL the wave is starting..
But "sources" inside the White House said that he had offered to resign.
Roger, the "sources" were wrong, if there were any "sources" to begin with. You were being duped. You fell for it, and will continue to fall for it. Not only that, but you actually "pay them" to provide you with all the news that's not real.
"There is a sucker born every minute".
And it would only make sense to a bleeding idiot that the White House Chief of Staff would resign because some low level White House aid was accused of domestic abuse several years ago.
KD makes up another line of bullshit with....
Keep bashing Israel like you liberals love to do.
God you are a dumb ass....Seems that most jews residing in this country are liberals...look it up before you bash them again
From Gallup
by Frank Newport
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
29% of American Jews are Republican, up from 22% in 2008
61% of Jews are Democrats, down from 71% seven years ago
oPie, don't take issue with me about issues you know nothing about. You just so wrong.
But do gives us that date Iran gave the drone Back after being ask by Oblunder.
17 percent trending to Republicans and away from liberals. Coll ty oPie.
:29% of American Jews are Republican, up from 22% in 2008
61% of Jews are Democrats, down from 71% seven years ago"
17 percent trending to Republicans and away from liberal
Which means 83% are solid D's which confirms my initial comment that you are an idiot....Thanx for the confirmation....
And maybe you should look in the mirror to discover where your asshole is....
Mr. Kelly privately told colleagues at the White House on Friday that he was willing to resign over his handling of Mr. Porter’s case if Mr. Trump desired, but presidential aides said no resignation was formally offered or drafted.
The New York Times right now.
How credible is the news media when they turn out to be the propaganda ministry for the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea.
I mean the sycophantic praise the gave Kim Jong Un's sister was positively nausainting.
Mr. Kelly privately told colleagues at the White House on Friday that he was willing to resign over his handling of Mr. Porter’s case if Mr. Trump desired, but presidential aides said no resignation was formally offered or drafted
I heard that he privately told Jim Morrison and Elvis that he was going to resign to go hunt for Bigfoot.
how much do you pay the NY Times to provide you with this?
Mr. Kelly privately told colleagues at the White House on Friday that he was willing to resign over his handling of Mr. Porter’s case if Mr. Trump desired, but presidential aides said no resignation was formally offered or drafted.
Your opinion only claims that this is a lie. Why? Because you accept the word of the White House spokesman , as the Bible. If Trump offered TrumpWater, taken from the sacred shower, you would order it via Amazon Prime for your daily use.
Every single President has lied. But this time, he's breaking the record. Much of it is the fact that he is ill-informed by his unwillingness to even read the daily intelligence report. If President Clinton had been reported by multiple anonymous that she didn't read the daily intelligence report, you would be filling up your blog with outraged comments.
Hypocrisy is the Coldheartedtruth
According to anonymous sources close to the president, he secretly met with space aliens on the Eisenhower putting green.
But then don't expect people to take them seriously and don't go getting all indignant when the people they are openly lying about push back.
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a whopping dose of irony here is that ol rog has been shrieking about trump's threat to the very foundation of the first amendment with his criticism of the media as purveyors of "fake news."
so the media purveys fake news and ol rog's attitude is -
"Is it possible that the reporters are in error, yes I say "so what". Shit happens."
If Trump offered TrumpWater, taken from the sacred shower, you would order it via Amazon Prime for your daily use.
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i love the fact that he's driving you stark raving mad, alky.
just think, you'll probably have a full 7 more years of this shit to deal with. you best cowboy up there, numbnuts.
Every single President has lied. But this time, he's breaking the record.
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let me know when he wins LIE OF THE YEAR, alky.
heh.
Your opinion only claims that this is a lie.
No, the facts and common sense tell us that this was a lie.
The reality here Rog... is that the President only seemed upset that one of the White House staff secretaries was forced to resign over old allegations of domestic violence. He gave every indication that he felt the situation was unfair for the staff secretary.
The President did not (at any time) appear upset that this staff secretary was hired, or that information was withheld from him. He did not appear at any times to be "mad". As pointed out by both his actions, his demeanor, and his statements... he was "sad".
It would make no logical sense that the President would want the White House Chief of Staff to be fired or resign because over personnel issues, when the person in question (Porter) was hired six months before John Kelly was even at that post. Such a move would be "irrational".
But isn't that the beauty here Rog. If the NY Times tells you that the President is irrational, and you believe them. Then no matter how "irrational" their blatantly false stories come across... you will believe them because it just fits in with what they previously told you. Not only that, but the more ridiculous they become, the more you believe them, the more you believe that the President is even "more" irrational... opening it up for them to pitch you something even "more irrational".
Meanwhile, the President is signing tax laws, undoing Obama regulations, signing budgets, making deals, exposing corruption...
and the NY Times has you looking at the bright shiny Robert Portman or Ronald Portal, or Rob Port, or whatever his name is.
And you pay them to do so!
Much of it is the fact that he is ill-informed by his unwillingness to even read the daily intelligence report.
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he prefers a verbal presentation summary, dickhead.
i'm ok with that.
seen ISIS lately?
yeah, me neither.
go fuck yourself.
and the NY Times has you looking at the bright shiny Robert Portman or Ronald Portal, or Rob Port, or whatever his name is.
And you pay them to do so!
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i enjoy it for free using chrome's incognito browser.
paying for the ny times is stupid on steroids.
Nobody pays me for the truth.
I'm just another treasonous American.
Because I don't fall to my knees in worship of the Donald Trump when I wake up. I say another prayer.
God grant me the ability to accept the things that I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
Amen..
I'm just another treasonous American.
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nah, you're just a garden variety asshole. get over yourself. you can't cross a room without assistance.
CH opines incorre4ctly again....
The reality here Rog... is that the President only seemed upset that one of the White House staff secretaries
Seems to me you have a whole lot of speculation in that sentence....How do you know that he only seemed upset???? You have a video or hearsay from a partisan?????b You rally str amusing when you blast others than do the same thing....
This is the opinion of an obscure blog owner. It is not backed up by anonymous sources, because he has no access to the West Wing of the White House. Experienced reporters from the most prestigious newspaper in the country, regularly speak with staff members. Our host obviously has an opinion. But unless, if you want to believe that the members of the press corps, and the ownership of The New York Times, are intentionally is putting up a lie, to discredit or worse, to attack the President.
I will let you decide whether the obscure blogger, or staff writers for The New York Times are telling the truth.
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The reality here Rog... is that the President only seemed upset that one of the White House staff secretaries was forced to resign over old allegations of domestic violence. He gave every indication that he felt the situation was unfair for the staff secretary.
The President did not (at any time) appear upset that this staff secretary was hired, or that information was withheld from him. He did not appear at any times to be "mad". As pointed out by both his actions, his demeanor, and his statements... he was "sad".
It would make no logical sense that the President would want the White House Chief of Staff to be fired or resign because over personnel issues, when the person in question (Porter) was hired six months before John Kelly was even at that post. Such a move would be "irrational".
But unless, if you want to believe that the members of the press corps, and the ownership of The New York Times, are intentionally is putting up a lie, to discredit or worse, to attack the President.
WUT???
rrb, FYI, I'm mobile, without assistance at any time. My recovery from the transplant is complete. Regulars at the gym, congratulate for my recovery and how hard I work.
I will go again today, and probably every day this week. I don't know if you work out regularly or not. But if you do or did, you would know that your mind and body like to workout. I don't take pictures, but I will never forget the image of that lovely pink pants on a lovely woman. 😇
Read the rest of the comment Jimmy.
But unless, if you want to believe that the members of the press corps, and the ownership of The New York Times, are intentionally is putting up a lie, to discredit or worse, to attack the President.
I will let you decide whether the obscure blogger, or staff writers for The New York Times are telling the truth.
Geez you have no ability to comprehend more than Olinsky comments.
Nothing this hack does surprises me....more fake news sources that the right adores....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-lawmaker-devin-nunes-reportedly-073047760.html
TGOP Lawmaker Devin Nunes Reportedly Made His Own Fake News Website
A Republican lawmaker from California has been reportedly operating his own news website.
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Politico reported that “GOP memo author” Rep. Devin Nunes and his campaign were behind The California Republican, a website that calls itself a “media/news company” in its Facebook description and claims to have “the best of U.S., California and Central Valley news, sports and analysis.” According to Politico, however, the website was registered by Alex Tavlian of Sultana Media, which was paid $7,773 by the Nunes campaign for “advertising; digital advertising management.”
Tavlian told Politico he did not run the website and was not familiar with it.
The California Republican, who is chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and was a member of President Donald Trump’s transition team, has been offline since the Politico report, but a version cached by Google contained the following disclaimer:
Paid for by the Devin Nunes Campaign Committee · FEC ID #C00370056
The Facebook page did not appear to contain a similar disclaimer.
Nunes has not yet responded to the accusation
It is not backed up by anonymous sources, because he has no access to the West Wing of the White House
No, but it is backed up by actual real sources, who went on television to state for a fact that John Kelly hasn't offered to resign, isn't resigning, etc, etc, etc...
Along with the simple fact that the President (through real people) has expressed support for Kelly... as well as the simple fact that Kelly is not resigning.
If the NY Times was correct, then Trump would actually "be upset" and would not be offering support... and Kelly would actually "be offering his resignation" and the President would actually "be accepting his resignation".
You do understand the difference between a "story" and reality?
In Roger's world... NY Times anonymous sources account for more credibility than actual on record sources and reality itself. Take some more meds, Roger.
Regulars at the gym, congratulate for my recovery and how hard I work.
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of course they do. between them and your alky buddies at your 'drunk's r us' meetings who shower you with praise at every utterance, you seem to have this aura of celebrity wherever you go.
i mean, you must have to set aside something like a whole half day just to grocery shop, with an adoring crowd hanging on every item you place in your cripple cart.
i am curious about one thing though rog...
do you charge for autographs or are you still giving them away for free? a man of your stature and prowess might want to preserve that valuable resource and be highly selective with how many you release into the public domain.
let us know when you get your star on the hollywood walk of fame. i'm sure CH, myself and perhaps a few others would want to fly out for the ceremony.
I will let you decide whether the obscure blogger, or staff writers for The New York Times are telling the truth.
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it's not a binary choice, genius. there are plenty of folks out there reporting on the porter/kelly story. so we have choices as to what to really believe. the ny times hasn't been credible since the days of walter duranty, the pulitzer winning liar who fellated stalin like you fellated 0linsky.
iow's alky, i wouldn't believe the ny times to give me the correct time of day if we was standing in a room full of atomic clocks.
"i'm sure CH, myself and perhaps a few others would want to fly out for the ceremony"
See one creeper, see them all...
See one creeper, see them all...
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oh c'mon. you can make the trip. i'll make sure your hoveround is faster than his.
;->
LOL
it's not a binary choice, genius. there are plenty of folks out there reporting on the porter/kelly story.
I sort of see it that way....
A White House troubled by the events surrounding accusations of domestic violence of a former staff secretary, but out on the Sunday morning talk show circuit showing support for Kelly to squelch rumors.
or
President furious everyone involved, especially with John Kelly, who is offering his resignation.
Only one version of events can be true.
When everything is chaotic, shifting stories, contradicting rumors and innuendos, off-the cuff tweeting, who can tell which version is true? Are any of those versions true?
To me it just looks like incompetent management style, with no firm direction and constant crisis management. Maybe that version isn't true either, but a well managed team would get out ahead of this stuff, and present a unified message.
but a well managed team would get out ahead of this stuff, and present a unified message.
This White House is incompetent.
I take Profax and Lyrica. And vitamin supplements. My medications don't stop me from making CH is a conspiracy theorist.
It's ironic that a few days ago I was throwing out ideas for my son's fiance who has to come up with a speech topic, a culture-related topic. I think in some psychology or sociology soft-science type class. I opined, for the sake of getting bored captive audience college students attentive, to mix politics and controversy and suggest she examine why Trump has these problems. Is it management style, or the culture of his upbringing that he tolerates it? Or does he attract and is attracted to the type of people who would be abusive? I thought it would be an interesting thesis from the perspective of a foreign student in a US state university.
She said anything goes for the topic, even politics, so even if she only gets the Georgia native conservatives all riled up, at least that commands their attention and IME that's the biggest hurdle in the classroom speeches. Plus it's a good topical question: why DOES Trump have this problem with his staff, which seems to be unique to this Administration?
Did you give your Handicapped placard back to the State?
So many Dems getting little of no tax cut.
but a well managed team would get out ahead of this stuff, and present a unified message.
Which is exactly what they have done.
But you simply refuse to believe it, because the NY Times told you something else.
why DOES Trump have this problem with his staff, which seems to be unique to this Administration?
Really? How many congressmen, Senators, candidates, etc.,, have been recently exposed for sexual assault, domestic violence, or sexual harassment?
I certainly doesn't appear unique either to this Administration, or to the current attitudes surrounding the #metoo movement.
Would you really claim that none of the Previous Administrations ever had anyone working for them that was accused of domestic violence, sexual harassment, or anything like that?
"so even if she only gets the Georgia native conservatives all riled up, at least that commands their attention and IME that's the biggest hurdle in the classroom speeches."
No doubt they'll love being trolled in person...
All points which should at least be addressed in her speech, in the unlikely event that she goes for that. Could it really be as simple as "power corrupts"? Maybe ... I'd look into it, to eliminate the "null hypothesis" if nothing else.
Which previous Administration had these problems this quickly CH? Are you bluffing, or did you have something in mind?
You mean Susan Rice going on five Sunday morning shows to lie about Benghazi was not a problem?
Take some more meds, Roger
I accept your surrender .
Hey KD...came across this picture of your wife at lunch.,......
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/02/12/giant-pig-caught-on-camera-ravaging-garbage-bin-near-school-goes-viral.html
Eleven hours resulted in Benghazi evaporation
Hilarious
WP...
You do not appear to be acknowledging that there has been a recent ramp up of bringing these things to light.
All those Congressmen, Hollywood types, Business tycoons accused of all of this stuff over the past few months did not "just" commit these actions within the past few months. They have just been exposed. Same holds true for the staff secretary in question. Those allegations are years and marriages ago.
This behavior has always taken place. Probably more so at the higher levels of politics, business, show business...
It's not the behavior that is new in 2017 or the fact that people in politics might be guilty of it. It's the degree that people are willing to step up and expose people today.
Clinton went through a WH in chaos - with his well-placed cigar.
Bush went through a WH in chaos - with Iraq
Obama went through a WH in chaos - with Benghazi, the video lie, the lie of the year, his faux red line...
You do not appear to be acknowledging that there has been a recent ramp up of bringing these things to light.
I neither acknowledged nor denied it here. You bring up a hypothesis, one which of course everyone observing has considered. You're either saying that "fake news" is simply reporting more incidents, or that the incidents reported show that the problem is endemic. It's not clear which and for all I know you posit both, mutually contradictory as they may be.
You are mistaken if you think there is a "recent ramp up" of individuals making these allegations, and you are mistaken if you believe that such allegations are previously not reported. What you observe is better described as a change in focus and emphasis, the issue de jure. Because I reject these misconceptions, I think that the Trump Administration staff problems are what they appear to be: abusive staff who for some reason have found themselves employed by the self-professed sexual predator.
CH, were you declining to show your cards, or still researching? Which previous administration suffered these kinds of problems with abusive staff, in this short time period?
Someone else tried to divert with Obama's "red line" or some such, but of course that doesn't come close to the question. Were you bluffing after all?
"Someone else tried to divert with Obama's "red line" or some such, but of course that doesn't come close to the question"
Never takes you very long to start trolling, lol.
WP...
I think I was being crystal clear.
I don't believe that the Trump administration has an overabundance of people who have been accused of domestic violence or sexual harassment. In fact, of all the people who have left his administration for all the variety of reasons... the only one who has such an accusation against them is Porter. As far as I know, none of the other people in his administration have been accused.
Not sure that one person creates much of a logical argument that Trump is attracted to people who abuse.
All that being said... I think there is plenty of evidence that those at the congressional levels were protected by secret pay offs, and a process that made potential accusers wait, wait, and then wait some more before they could even offer an allegation. Certainly, there have been people on both sides of the aisle willing to look the other way at allegations, in order to keep these people in their positions of power. Both sides only appear to take issue when the accused represents the opposing Party.
No reason to believe that such behavior didn't exist or that a cover up didn't exist in other parts of the Government (such as the Administrative branch). I would be shocked if there wasn't a single person in the Obama or Bush Administrations who had been accused of some sort of assault or Harassment. Obviously Clinton himself was accused of everything from harassment to rape while he was in office (sometimes literally in the office).
So yeah... I think the idea of writing a paper about how Trump is attracted to abusers (based on Rob Porter) is one void of actual substance. I am guessing, however, that the law of averages suggests that your son's fiance's teacher would likely enjoy any paper written that smears the President... so it's probably a good idea from a public relations standpoint.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Take some more meds, Roger
I accept your surrender .
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LOL. the pigeon chess grandmaster speaks!
CH again post guano with....
I don't believe that the Trump administration has an overabundance of people who have been accused of domestic violence or sexual harassment.
Based on what, your opinion??? Trump with his own travails leads the pack with endorsing Roy Moore, given Bill O reilly a pass, along with Roger Ailes and hoping Porter has a good life?????? Since you have no insight to any others personal lives, for you to make such a blanket statement is the peak of hypocrisy, especially after your posting of your side of your divorce!!!!! I'd be willing to bet your ex may have a different story in spite you saying otherwise....Having worked in a very big company...the who was screwing who was amazing and the amount of sexual harassment was scary...I'm sure if you worked at a big place, you would see a Peyton Place just like I did....
CH, David Sorensen, a speechwriter who reported to senior policy adviser Stephen Miller also resigned a few days ago because of a domestic dispute case. Kelly is on the hot-seat for his handling of it, the White House has issued an apology. Your thesis is that this is not unusual for Presidential Administrations? Still waiting for your example. One might say "Clinton" was guilty of abuse of employees, and therefore equivalent to Trump whom some also have accused, but that wasn't really his issue. Nor is it Trump's now.
Loretta, the "Red Line" fiasco may have led to chaos in Syria down the line, but it certainly wasn't a chaotic mess in the White House. If anything they went too far the other way; the story was too clear and imposed from the top of the State Department with no dissent tolerated. You're overgeneralizing "chaos" into a meaningless claim, even without the question being extremely specific to having staff members in trouble for domestic abuse.
CH, David Sorensen, a speechwriter who reported to senior policy adviser Stephen Miller also resigned a few days ago because of a domestic dispute case.
Sorensen credibility claimed he was the abuse victim.
I say credibility because he has pictures to back up his claim.
If he didn't I'm sure people like you would be crucifying him.
Menstral the women hater again sides with the man without evidence......
Sorensen credibility claimed he was the abuse victim.
I also know a bridge in Brooklyn for sale....Interested?????
"Loretta, the "Red Line" fiasco may have led to chaos in Syria down the line, but it certainly wasn't a chaotic mess in the White House."
That's ALL you have out of everything listed? LOL!
Lordy.
Well it was your example not mine. Do you really want me to go into the others, Bush in Iraq and Benghazi, and how little those have in common with Trump's staff issues? I'm trying to cut you a break here.
Credibly claimed he was the victim? He made a denial statement to the Washington Post and then resigned. He, or Trump's staff, didn't think his own denial was credible enough.
Note that there is a divorce in progress. Reasonably, every allegation is denied, regardless. She has witness statements. I don't see "credible" entering into the equation.
CH, Have you given up on your example of prior Administrations having similar staff problems? No resignations from domestic abuse allegations?
Here's more grist for the mill. Trump has an astounding 50% rate of staff turnover at the highest level. HALF of his top staff and advisers in the first year. A third of his staff overall, fired or quit. In contrast, Obama lost only one of his Tier One staff and for Bush, none.
Brookings Institute report: Why is Trump’s staff turnover higher than the 5 most recent presidents? At Brookings they're asking some of the same questions I did.
Record setting chaos. Will you still persist in claiming that it's nothing unusual among Presidents, a matter of fake news reporting more about it?
Record setting chaos. Will you still persist in claiming that it's nothing unusual among Presidents, a matter of fake news reporting more about it?
how about not giving a shit? does that count for anything?
wp, this administration has been a chaotic soap opera drama since day one. despite that, progress has been made on many fronts. those in the grip of TDS can remain focused on the negatives while i enjoy the positives. there's been nothing in the area of staffing changes that has been all that terrible, imo. it simply gives the trump haters and the media (redundant, i know) something new to bitch about today. and tomorrow will bring something newer and shinier.
if the core of trump's cabinet begins to depart i'll be concerned. but as long as the media is going to over-inflate the importance of some staff paper pusher i'll remain unimpressed.
wp, this administration has been a chaotic soap opera drama since day one. despite that, progress has been made on many fronts.
Watch it, the peanut gallery is liable to call you miserable and deranged for talking that way.
those in the grip of TDS can remain focused on the negatives while i enjoy the positives. there's been nothing in the area of staffing changes that has been all that terrible, imo
Except for the terrible staff that had to resign? Maybe you don't think they were all that bad, and prefer that their realms of responsibility become dysfunctional anyhow, which is fine. But you know that this sort of thing *always* starts at the top and flows down.
Well WP...
For decades we didn't have Senators or Congressmen resigning over sexual harassment or abuse...
Suddenly we have a whole slew of it in 2017/2018.
You seriously believe that it's just all gotten worse in the past year or so?
Or can you admit that there is a higher standard in play today, and people are not able to sweep this under the rug?
This is a stupid argument, WP. You can argue that all of the Congress, Hollywood, Television celebrities and everyone else that have all been exposed over the past few months is not relevant to this... and it's all Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
But it's a stupid argument to make. You know it. I know it.
For decades we didn't have Senators or Congressmen resigning over sexual harassment or abuse...
How do you figure? You can at least remember the congressional page sex scandal from the 80's can't you?
Here's another list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_States
What's unusual are the abuse scandals in the President's staff. Among all the other churn, unprecedented. I'm surprised that you answered, again without having a single example of an Administration with similar problems. Talking about everything BUT the challenge to back up your claim doesn't really slip the question.
You seriously believe that it's just all gotten worse in the past year or so?
Considering the Brookings Institute data cited above, it's gotten FAR worse than the past five Presidents. It comes from (not exclusively) bad personnel choices, poor executive skills, and skewed priorities.
Except for the terrible staff that had to resign? Maybe you don't think they were all that bad, and prefer that their realms of responsibility become dysfunctional anyhow, which is fine. But you know that this sort of thing *always* starts at the top and flows down.
i completely disagree. at the beginning bad hires were made, they've since left, and the core cabinet has remained intact. you can fret over some inconsequential staffer's departure if you'd like, while i'll remain focused on the bigger picture.
if you've been reduced to picking nits, you didn't have much of an argument to begin with.
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