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| Under Medicare for all, less people will die! Right now, the percentage of those who die is "roughly" 100% |
So, we’re paying for this system. We — Americans have the sticker shock of healthcare as it is, and what we’re also not talking about is, why aren’t we incorporating the cost of all the funeral expenses of those who died because they can’t afford access to healthcare? That is part of the cost of our system.So if there are less funerals from less people dying, then logically, I guess some people would actually... um... never die? Otherwise, how can you otherwise avoid the funeral? Imagine. It took us a socialist from N.Y. to finally make the ultimate promise.
If you vote for me, you could live forever!
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all you need to know about the left is the fact that they are holding up this imbecile as the future of the democrat party.
She's going to be a CSPAN star when she gets to the house.
those hoping for the return of the galactic idiocy of cynthia mckinney will not be disappointed.
We already have Hank "Guam will tip over and capsize" Johnson in McKinney's old district
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We already have Hank "Guam will tip over and capsize" Johnson in McKinney's old district
indeed we do, but the democrat party seems insistent upon doubling or perhaps tripling down on that level of idiocy.
one of the reason i enjoy watching committee hearings on c-span so much is watching the sheer lunacy exhibited when it's a democrat's turn to speak. especially in the house.
from adam "latka" schiff to hank johnson to maxine "reclaiming my time" waters to sheila jackson lee to elijah "mumbles" cummings to jerrold "golden corral" adler, it's fucking comedy gold.
Medicare would have more generous coverage. 28 million uninsureds would get health care insurance coverage.
22 million people who buy their own insurance would have new taxes, but less out-of-pocket spending. The 28 million Americans who currently pay for their own insurance will instead pay higher taxes. The net effect is the cost of medical expenses will decrease.
9 million veterans would keep their existing health care system. We are already paying taxes for the coverage for our veterans.
2 million Native Americans could also keep their current source of care. We are already paying taxes for the coverage. They could be excluded from the tax increases and remain at the current level.
Drug company profits would likely fall as the government would have more bargaining power to negotiate lower prices. This certainly will cause political resistance from drug companies but may be popular among voters. In early July Pfizer raised the cost of Viagra, a nervy move attributed to the lack of political risk from Trump and the Administration to curb drug costs. Humor says that the reduction of the cost of Viagra will drop, making millions of men happier.
Health insurance companies would mostly be eliminated, and executives – among the highest paid in the nation – would lose their jobs. I wouldn't shed a tear for these parasites.
Doctors and hospitals would likely face pay cuts, but would no longer face unpaid bills so they may be winners. The number of uninsured people who need emergency medical care will go away because everyone has coverage.
Part of this is provided by Forbes. https://www.forbes.com/sites/teresaghilarducci/2018/07/16/what-is-medicare-for-all/
My own opinions are obvious. The overall cost to the individuals will decrease.
The Republican standard attack is oh my goodness your taxes will go up! But what they won't tell you that the overall cost of medical care will decrease. And that pre existing conditions will be completely covered, instead of Trumpcare that excludes them.
By the way, I actually watched the interview on the Como Report. You as usual jumped up and down over one, honestly ridiculous comment and ignored the warnings that candidates similar to her are going to be in the house of Representatives majority in November.
Candidates similar to her are going to be in the house of Representatives majority in November.
You're going apoplectic now. I can't wait until January 2nd when the Democrats put Nancy Pelosi in the speaker's seat.
The full interview is https://youtu.be/I3wSSShwwwo
You can imagine rrb is going to need anti depressants because a female beaner will be on television.
You truly are dense
Stick to hammering nails, this is way above you
You're going apoplectic now.
no alky, not even close. but YOU are psychologically projecting again.
you see alky, i'm politically cynical. deeply so, since i witnessed an american electorate so galactically fucking STUPID as to elect skeets 0linsky not once, but twice. and it was specifically his reelection that made me this way.
so therefore, i NEVER underestimate two things when it comes to politics:
the stupidity of the electorate or the overpowering allure of "free shit."
You can imagine rrb is going to need anti depressants because a female beaner will be on television.
i watched that interview, alky.
the best part? where she refused, once again, to answer the inevitable "how are we going to pay for all this?" question.
like you and bernie sanders, she's an economic clod.
Funny thing, if Ocasio-Cortez got her way Roger we not get his new liver because the funeral would be cheaper.
The Republican standard attack is oh my goodness your taxes will go up! But what they won't tell you that the overall cost of medical care will decrease.
oh, costs will decrease all right.
via rationing (DIE QUICKLY!*), and somewhere around a 40% pay cut to healthcare professionals. now THAT will attract the best and brightest to the fieled of medicine.
you see alky, i've got a front row seat to much of this shit. i count a few doctors among my circle of close personal friends. one in particular has a son who was prepared to follow his father and grandfather into medicine. right up until the democrats shoved 0linsky-care down our throat.
he pivoted from pre-med to food science, avoided a crushing med school debt load and now i believe he resides somewhere near CH in the twin cities gainfully employed and making six figures.
*h/t: alan grayson.
The overall cost to the individuals will decrease.
Yeah we've heard that before
I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year.
I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year.
there are lies, and then there is THE LIE OF THE FUCKING YEAR.
Roger
Start with this:
Most Health Insurance Companies are Non-profits. Many are specifically tied to medical facilities, or religious organizations. Over 90% of Americans who have private health insurance are happy with it. There is (or at least was when I was involved) a strong partnership between the medical and insurance community.
Calling them "parasites" is entirely based on bigotry stemming from a lack of basic factual understanding of the situation.
Second:
Doctors and Hospitals will lose money under a Medicare for all plan. As someone who worked at a Hospital billing department (specifically collections) through college, I can tell you that a certain percentage of unpaid bills are written off as a matter of expectation (in other words it's budgeted for). It's not even in the same area code of 40% of your AR. Other unpaid bills are sold to other collection companies at 15-20 percent of the outstanding bill.
What an insurance plan will pay (after deductibles, and co-pays, and whatever else isn't covered) is "still" more than the 60% that Medicare for all would pay. However, probably 90% of those who have insurance with deductibles and co-pays, pay those uncovered expense bills.
Moreover
Most every one of those advocates are creating estimates that assumes that nobody will ever do anything "outside" of medicare for all, which is not the reality in other countries that have single payer of some sort. Most of these countries do not cover elective procedures, and people in places like Germany and Canada purchase supplemental insurance to cover things that their "single payer" does not.
So you can pretend that expenses will go down because Medicare for all will refuse to pay going rates, and because Medicare for all will not cover many elective procedures... but the "cost" of performing these procedures (at the health care level) will not go down, just because the "payment" being made for them is.
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We pay more for our medical attention, because our medical attention is more advanced, and people simply have more procedures than other countries do. This is just one of those arguments that littered with fantastic assumptions, bigotry, and paranoia.
Calling them "parasites" is entirely based on bigotry stemming from a lack of basic factual understanding of the situation.
Eh, it speaks to his level of education
Most every one of those advocates are creating estimates that assumes that nobody will ever do anything "outside" of medicare for all, which is not the reality in other countries that have single payer of some sort.
the alky conveniently forgets that our canadian neighbors to the north sued - and won - for the right to purchase private insurance to supplement their single payer.
now rog, why would they have to go to such great lengths if single payer was such a terrific deal in the first place?
roger won't touch that question with a 10-foot pole lashed to his walker.
Calling them "parasites" is entirely based on bigotry stemming from a lack of basic factual understanding of the situation.
it's also ironic and wildly hypocritical seeing as how much the alky likes to brag about his $1.6M cirrhosis transplant bill.
Calling them "parasites" is entirely based on bigotry stemming from a lack of basic factual understanding of the situation
Oh and it’s never stopped him before, he ruminates on topics he has no clue on daily. What else does he have to do?
You described exactly what your side uses .
"This is just one of those arguments that littered with fantastic assumptions, bigotry, and paranoia."
The for profit medical companies will go away. Billions better used for health care for millions.
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The for profit medical companies will go away. Billions better used for health care for millions.
canada has single payer yet canadians had to sue for the right to purchase private health insurance.
WHY???
This is an illegally brought Rigged Witch Hunt run by people who are totally corrupt and/or conflicted. It was started and paid for by Crooked Hillary and the Democrats. Phony Dossier, FISA disgrace and so many lying and dishonest people already fired. 17 Angry Dems? Stay tuned!
750 avoidable deaths a month in NHS hospitals, study finds
One in 28 deaths can be attributed to poor care and study says standard death rates should not be used to rank quality of care
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/14/avoidable-deaths-nhs-hospitals-study
hey alky, isn't it cool to be able to advocate for a shit healthcare system after you've safely received your liver transplant?
i mean, they either would've royally fucked up your transplant or just sent you home to DIE.
ain't hypocrisy grand, alky?
canada has single payer yet canadians had to sue for the right to purchase private health insurance.
why alky, WHY???
The for profit medical companies will go away.
so will the people who provide the care who, ironically, work for a PROFIT.
or would you have us believe you swung that hammer for free, alky?
The for profit medical companies will go away
and therefore no innovation, you'd be fucking dead in your utopia
Stick to hammering nails
and therefore no innovation,
more irony. the amount of recent innovations in the alky's transplant procedure and drugs associated with his treatment and recovery are staggering, and all of that is lost on him.
The liver is simply parroting Bernie
Sen. Bernie Sanders is skimming over the facts in claiming that his “Medicare for all” plan will lead to big reductions in what Americans spend for health care.
In a recent tweet, the Vermont independent insists the plan will cut $2 trillion from the nation’s health care bill.
But that’s based on a scenario in which hospitals and doctors accept significantly lower payments for many patients. It’s a big asterisk, and one that Sanders fails to disclose.
A look at the claim:
SANDERS: “Medicare for All will lead to a $2 TRILLION REDUCTION in national health expenditures over 10 years.” — July 30 tweet.
THE FACTS: Sanders’ vision of El Dorado in his tweet and a YouTube video is being widely echoed by supporters of a government-run national health system. But Sanders mischaracterizes a study from a libertarian policy institute that found his legislation would actually lead to a massive boost in federal spending and taxation.
The study from the Mercatus Center at George Mason University in Virginia also concluded that “Medicare for all” is unlikely to produce a dividend for U.S. society in the form of lower total health care spending. To get that result would require paying hospitals and doctors much less than they get now and risk putting some out of business.
The study found that if hospitals and doctors were willing to accept Medicare-based payments of 40 percent less for patients who currently have private insurance, then projected U.S. health care spending would decline by about 3 percent from 2022 to 2031, or $2.05 trillion.
That’s the number Sanders is celebrating.
But the study also said if medical providers continue to be paid about the same as now, U.S. health care spending would increase by $3.25 trillion over 10 years under “Medicare for all.” It works out to about 5 percent more.
That’s far different from Sanders’ assurance that his plan “will lead” to huge spending reductions.
The study concludes it’s unlikely.
“More generous health care insurance would be provided to everyone at the expense of health care providers,” it said. “Whether providers could sustain such losses and remain in operation, and how those who continue operations would adapt to such dramatic payment reductions, are critically important questions.”
Roger -
So like the Doctors and Nurses and Hospital staff that work "for profit" should all take pay cuts? Since the people they generally work for do "not" make profits, the worker is who is going to bear the brunt of 40% less payments coming in.
Pink Wave"
Roger, how many Cortez supported canidate won?
Cortez the face and brain of today's Democrats.
She does what today as her paying Job after getting and elite College education in Economics?
No one word reported on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS about the Chinese spy on difi's staff.
The old stale media is untrustworthy.
Trump’s Economy
First time jobless claims come in much lower then expected .
2018 Democrat platform.
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Mexico says they are very close with Pres. Trump on a new trade deal.
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Roger -
So like the Doctors and Nurses and Hospital staff that work "for profit" should all take pay cuts? Since the people they generally work for do "not" make profits, the worker is who is going to bear the brunt of 40% less payments coming in.
the liberal statist will always believe that they are the final arbiter in terms of what they deem to be "fair.'
remember when 0linsky said "at some point you've made enough money."?
statists really are THAT arrogant. THEY determine how much a doctor can make.
and of course when they impose these rules their first order of business is to exempt themselves from them. that's why the alky feels so certain that he can tell a doc how much they can earn. they alky has his transplant. just so long as he's got his he's happy to slam the door on those behind him.
hey alky,
"POP!" goes the beaner...
https://twitter.com/stargazette/status/1027516420920291328/photo/1
"Veteran John James will go on to face incumbent Democrat Debbie Stabenow in the general election. Stabenow, who was unopposed in the Democratic primary, was first elected to represent Michigan in the U.S. Senate since 2000.
In a statement following the call, James said Stabenow "better get ready for the fight of her political life."
"I don't have a Black message. I don't have a White message. I have a Michigan message," James said. "We need people who have experience getting results. You aren't going to get results from a 43-year career politician."
Clean the swamp.
E.P.A. administrator Scott Pruitt was forced to resign after a parade of ethical controversies made him the subject of more than a dozen federal inquiries.
Forbes reported that Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross is accused of siphoning more than $120 million from various business associates.
ProPublica broke the story that three Mar-a-Lago members (who have never served in government or the military) have been steering VA policy from afar.
The Washington Post reported that Donald Trump’s hotel in New York City received a huge increase in revenue after members of the Saudi crown prince’s entourage booked rooms there.
The Kushner family unloaded its troubled Manhattan tower to a company that is also waiting for administration approval of another major business acquisition.
Trump lost his second bid to dismiss the ongoing emoluments clause lawsuit alleging self-dealing at his Washington D.C. hotel.
And of course, the ongoing trial of former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort has included allegations that he and/or aide Rick Gates falsified financial records, embezzled money, and possibly siphoned money from Trump’s inaugural committee.
"The liver is simply parroting Bernie"
At least Sanders admits to being a socialist, unlike the two-bit community organizer AND Rog.
"I don't have a Black message. I don't have a White message. I have a Michigan message," James said. "We need people who have experience getting results. You aren't going to get results from a 43-year career politician."
Stabenow is toast.
I am happy Bernie gave those in the Dems to release theor inner Socialist.
Cortez is a gift.
As a War Veteran, he has asked her why for all her time in the Senate has she done so little for war fighters?
Her answer.... crickets...
"emoluments clause " alky
Tap your vast historic and political knowledge and tell us which President has been charged and convicted.
It is too easy.
"The obscure constitutional provision that could be trouble for Trump
Los Angeles Times
emoluments clause convictions from www.latimes.com
Dec 9, 2016 "
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Scott. Nobody knew how complicated it is!
We are the most innovative country. If both sides would agree on one thing. Every single American citizen should have health insurance.
The Medicare for everyone is one of the best options. It can be done. Government is the most efficient system if it is properly designed.
The for profit medical facilities will have to be involved in the process of providing medical insurance for everyone. Neither one of us knows how to make the "complicated" process work. But we sure have people who have the ability.
"Since the people they generally work for do "not" make profits, the worker is who is going to bear the brunt of 40% less payments coming in."
One way to cover the difference will be reduced costs for medications if the "for" profit companies will no longer paying multi million dollar wages to the executives.
"The obscure constitutional provision that could be trouble for Trump
Los Angeles Times
emoluments clause convictions from www.latimes.com"
They finally found a judge?
Scott. Nobody knew how complicated it is!
Nobody?? I told you exactly how Obumblecare would self-destruct. You know i’ve gotta sheepskin hanging in my office from the number 2 Risk Management and Insurance university in the nation ( #1 is University of Penn where Trump went not Penn State as you erroneously claimed last week). There are only 2 ways to pay for anything, ration or free market
UnitedHealthcare has 70 million members, that’s more than any single EU nation save Germany.
And UHC is far better at negotiating with Big Pharma than some sniveling nosed gubment official
But God knows we need another layer of beaucracy
Roger
There is absolutely zero way to continue to run a hospital or clinic with 30-40% less revenue coming in, unless you also cut 30-40% of your expenses. You do understand remedial math, do you not?
And no, executive salaries don't make up 4% of the expenses, much less 40%.
Secondly, you continue to "ignore" the fact that most "still" Americans have insurance that they actually want to keep. Most Americans do not want to give up their private (employee based) insurance for "medicare for all". I certainly know that I don't. Yeah, that number isn't as high as it was "before" the debacle that is Obamacare, but you are still advocating throwing the baby out with the bath water on this whole deal.
Why do you believe "you" know what's best for me, Roger?
The reality is that there is a much easier way to resolve the problem with a few million people who are uninsured, that doesn't involve everyone else.
Just because you needed a liver transplant, doesn't mean the rest of the country has to go through the process? Likewise, just because some people lack insurance and you want to provide them with a government option, doesn't mean you take everyone's insurance away and make them do the same.
Lastly, we replaced decades of actuaries and insurance experience (teams of people dedicated to proving the best insurance options at the best prices) and allowed government bureaucrats to decide how to run insurance. Look what happened. Cost went up while the coverage went down. That is your government efficiency?
Again, why do you want me to pay more and get less, Roger? Why is it up to you to tell me I must accept inferior coverage, because "you" like the idea?
Nobody is saying not to insure the people who are uninsured. There are more options than putting "everyone" on a bad plan.
There is absolutely zero way to continue to run a hospital or clinic with 30-40% less revenue coming in,
Unicorn farts and fairy dust will fund all
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
― C.S. Lewis
"9 million veterans would keep their existing health care system. We are already paying taxes for the coverage for our veterans.
2 million Native Americans could also keep their current source of care. We are already paying taxes for the coverage. They could be excluded from the tax increases and remain at the current level."
TWO things you know nothing about.
Neither group receives ACCEPTABLE health CARE.
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Laura Ingraham: "The America we know and love doesn't exist anymore. Massive demographic changes have been foisted on the American people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like ... this is related to both illegal and legal immigration" https://t.co/s5G2qIY4W0
The Fox News viewers are almost 100% white. Laura Ingram gave the most racist comment I have ever heard in my 67 years.
"The America we know and love doesn't exist anymore, Massive demographic changes have been foisted on the American people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like."
Ingraham said "this is related to both illegal and legal immigration."
With the exception of the Native Americans we are a nation of immigrants who came here to find a better life for themselves and their families. How in hell does even Fox News allow this to be put on the air?
My earliest relative came from Germany to the North American British colony in 1759. Ingram seems to believe that if you are not of white, European in descent you are causing the "changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like." Welcome to the country of Trump. Because you know that the "Mexicans are sending over criminals, rapist, murderers, drug traffickers and terrorists. "
Vote Democrat whether or not if you agree because the President has turned the Republican party into the Trump party. Vladimir Putin is one of the members of the Trump party. R.I.P the GOP. VOTE!
Chain citizenship should be banned!
His wife's parents became American citizens two days ago using chain citizenship.
America represents something universal in the human spirit. I received a letter not long ago from a man who said, 'You can go to Japan to live, but you cannot become Japanese. You can go to France to live and not become a Frenchman. You can go to live in Germany or Turkey, and you won't become a German or a Turk.' But then he added, 'Anybody from any corner of the world can come to America to live and become an American.'
Ronald Reagan,
Isn't it Amazing.....another non beaner gets to be a citizen as the trump chumps slurp away!!!! Wonder if donnie gets any????? #MAWA Make America White Again..
He's such a dipshit....do as I say....not as I do....the trump chump motto's Wonder what talent they bring to the US????? Maybe they are tree burners.....lol
By Annie Correal and Emily Cochrane
Aug. 9, 2018
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President Trump has repeatedly and vehemently denounced what he calls “chain migration,” in which adult American citizens can obtain residency for their relatives.
On Thursday, his Slovenian in-laws, Viktor and Amalija Knavs, became United States citizens in a private ceremony in Manhattan by taking advantage of that same family-based immigration program.
Asked if the Knavses had obtained citizenship through “chain migration,” their lawyer, Michael Wildes, said, “I suppose.”
He said chain migration is a “dirtier” way of characterizing what he called “a bedrock of our immigration process when it comes
Melania Trump had sponsored her parents for their green cards, Mr. Wildes said in describing the process by which the Knavses had become United States citizens. “Once they had the green card, they then applied for citizenship when they were eligible,” he said.
Even as his in-laws were going through the process, Mr. Trump was denouncing it. In November, he tweeted, “CHAIN MIGRATION must end now! Some people come in, and they bring their whole family with them, who can be truly evil. NOT ACCEPTABLE!”
This matters. In Georgia the black Democrat running for governor is ahead in the last poll I saw.
rrb will not like this. If CH says anything about it somehow it will be liberal hypocrisy.
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Unfortunately a foundation of the base for Trump is the white supremacist movement.
Not all Republicans are racists. But the President has been catering to those people since he became a birther. They will never desert him .
We all know who is part of his base is always screaming Olinsky
a the black Democrat running for governor is ahead in the last poll I saw.
Her opponent Kemp.....his main ad is his big pick up truck that can bring many illegals back to their country or his shot gun ad all baiting the red meat eaters, very sad!!!......might happen, but it is georgia and we know who lives there......LOLOLOL!!! He has a lot of hillbilly cousins living in the hills.....!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqs3M85E0iI
Trump: Day 566
-142nd Day at a Trump Golf Club
-185th Day at a Trump Property
-1,427 Perished From PR Hurricane
-Needs $8B 4 Space Force Launch
-Cohen Evidence Review Completed
-Mueller 2 Subpoena Randy Credico
-In-Laws Used "Chain Migration"
-559 Children Remain Separated https://t.co/YqiGOhNiBI
Days without embarrassing Americans 0
A year ago, it seemed unfathomable: an American president defiantly defending “very fine people on both sides” of neo-Nazism; an American president suggesting moral equivalency between fighting for racial equality and championing white supremacy.
To be fair, President Donald Trump was making a somewhat subtler point. In his colloquy with the press, he was not calling neo-Nazis great folks but arguing that many of the Confederate-statue-loving protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, were not neo-Nazis at all. Somehow, these “fine people” got mixed in with white supremacists shouting, “Jews will not replace us,” and never noticed their compatriots were not fine people, too.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/935708002
Yep, our trump chumps never uttered a single word about trump saying there were good nazi's.....not a single word. How can that be? I know.....they are all racist supremacists just like donnie...NO Chain migration except for malodorous .....and still not a single word about the hypocrisy....
Trump inflames racial tensions
His recent assault on LeBron James as stupid and CNN host Don Lemon as stupider (“low IQ” is his go-to insult for blacks) is par for the course. It’s impossible, at this point, to be surprised by boorish behavior in someone who consistently acts like a boob. The trap — and one that Trump could easily lead us into — is to start thinking such behavior is not just normal for Trump but normal.
In his press availability addressing Charlottesville last year, Trump was asked whether race relations had gotten worse. He replied that they were “better or the same,” but added, “They have been frayed for a long time.” In other words, although he predicted race relations would improve, he emphasized how fraught and “frayed” they were. Who could blame him if they stayed that way — or got worse? Despite promising racial harmony through job creation, he was betting the opposite.
Indeed, his political career was built on betting the opposite. It effectively began with birtherism, blossomed with talk of Mexican rapists and Muslim terrorists, and flourished with allusions to gang-bangers spilling over the border.
At a recent rally in Tampa, Florida, he fired up the crowd by ridiculing Democrats’ desire for “open borders, which equals massive crime.” They “want to let MS-13 rule our country,” he declared, adding, “Every day the brave men and women of ICE are liberating communities and towns from savage gangs like MS-13 that are occupying our country like another nation would.”
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Laura Ingraham: "The America we know and love doesn't exist anymore. Massive demographic changes have been foisted on the American people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like ... this is related to both illegal and legal immigration"
LOL.
i was wondering how long it was going to take for you to be triggered over this, alky. all the usual suspects on the left were feigning their outrage on this yesterday.
ya gotta keep up if you're gonna be one of the cool sjw kids alky.
My ancestor came to the British colony in 1759. My family is no better than any beaner who swore allegiance to the Constitution and became a citizen. My Panamanian wife is a citizen. She is an American.
LOL.
Yeah walking rectum....another white women who thinks her shit or pussy don't stink.....like you......She is a bigger joke than you, but you can't see that....!!!!!!
(“low IQ” is his go-to insult for blacks)
no, low IQ is his go-to insult for stupid people. and you know what? there are plenty of stupid blacks just like there are plenty of stupid whites, like you. and asians, and hispanics, etc., etc., etc..
stupid doesn't discriminate, alky. you should know this. you were stupid enough to drink your way to a liver transplant.
"My ancestor came to the British colony in 1759. My family is no better than any beaner who swore allegiance to the Constitution and became a citizen. My Panamanian wife is a citizen. She is an American."
You could ALL leave as far as I'm concerned.
Perhaps worst of all, a victorious Trump will complete his takeover of the Republican Party (which is already far along). Even murmured dissent will be silenced. The GOP will be fully committed to a 2020 presidential campaign conducted in the spirit of George C. Wallace — a campaign of racial division, of rural/urban division, of religious division, of party division that metastasizes into mutual contempt.
This would leave many Americans entirely abandoned in U.S. politics: Catholics who are both pro-life and pro-immigrant. Evangelicals who are conservative but think that character matters, that compassion counts, that racial healing is a Christian calling. Traditional Republicans who miss a time — not so long ago — when leaders such as Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush modeled grace and led the West in defending freedom.
In a democracy, a vote is usually not a matter of good and evil. It is a matter of weighing competing goods and choosing lesser evils. The possible outcomes this November come down to this: Trump contained, or Trump triumphant.
Democrats, I suspect, will make a victory harder than it should be. A significant number seem to view Trump’s vulnerability as an opportunity to ideologically purify their party. They are actively undermining the job of containing the president by alienating centrist voters they need to turn the House.
But this does not change the political and ethical reality. The only way to save the GOP is to defeat it in the House. In this case, a Republican vote for a Democratic representative will be an act of conscience.
The only way to save the GOP is to defeat it
https://wapo.st/2vx6a11
"They “want to let MS-13 rule our country,”"
According to VOX, he's right.
It didn't take a minute before the racist rodent bastard and the Twit would come out in favor of the racism that is now dominant in the party of Reagan who is rolling in his grave.
America represents something universal in the human spirit. I received a letter not long ago from a man who said, 'You can go to Japan to live, but you cannot become Japanese. You can go to France to live and not become a Frenchman. You can go to live in Germany or Turkey, and you won't become a German or a Turk.' But then he added, 'Anybody from any corner of the world can come to America to live and become an American.'
Ronald Reagan,
"Perhaps worst of all, a victorious Trump will complete his takeover of the Republican Party (which is already far along)."
#reststwemustIMPEACH!
According to VOX, he's right.
Which is exactly what trump wants his base like you to believe...Congrata, you too are converted!!!
Roger completely loses his argument over healthcare. Primarily because the arguments made by people like Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez (and parroted by Roger) require a suspension of mathematical logic.
and immediately moves into the same old subject of calling people names (racists).
Typical liberal tactic of "run away" and scream "racist" every time you lose an argument. Of course, maintaining an argument would require Roger understands the subject, rather than relying on cut and paste opinions of other people.
But unfortunately, Roger believes that Medicare for all would create immortals, that you can cut revenues and not cut expenses, and that you can save yourself a few trillion dollars by reigning in the "high salaries of executives".
My how insulated and comforting it must be for Roger to not actually have to think. Without thinking you can any belief you want.
The Europeans committed genocide on the native American population. rrb is part of the European population that murdered millions of your ancestors.
Should he leave too?
"didn't take a minute before the racist rodent bastard and the Twit would come out in favor of the racism that is now dominant in the party of Reagan who is rolling in his grave."
Awe, sorry for interrupting your circle jerk, drunkard.
#resistwemustIMPEACH!!!
With all due respect to the great Roger Staubach.
I think we can all agree that Roger has earned the "Roger the Dodger" moniker here, for entirely all the wrong reasons.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
My ancestor came to the British colony in 1759.
that's nice.
mine came around 1910.
My family is no better than any beaner who swore allegiance to the Constitution and became a citizen.
also nice. my family became citizens too. via the preferred LEGAL process.
My Panamanian wife is a citizen. She is an American.
well please tell mail order that rrb thanks her for following the law and becoming a citizen legally. that's all any of us have ever asked. you're welcome to come here. please just abide by the law.
now then, back to the ingraham quote:
"The America we know and love doesn't exist anymore. Massive demographic changes have been foisted on the American people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like ... this is related to both illegal and legal immigration"
ms. ingraham is exactly correct.
it was in 1965 that murderin' ted kennedy awoke one morning with a perfectly evil and despicable brainstorm. that was when he decided to sponsor legislation that threw out the old immigration rulebook and effectively opened the borders to mass immigration in the hopes of flooding the country with new democrat voters.
since then we've basically been fucked.
THIS is what ingraham is referring to. she makes no mention of race. only the fact that we have made no legitimate effort to enforce our borders, and we have set no standard for admission to the US. nothing she said was factually incorrect or referred in any way to race. it takes a perpetually triggered and dishonest idiot to see that.
illegal immigration should be stopped dead in its tracks, period.
legal immigration should go back to the rules of the early 20th century. are you ill? can you support yourself? what do you bring to the table in terms of knowledge, skills, etc. that would benefit America?
getting accepted into our country should be at least as difficult and demanding as getting accepted to a decent 4-year college, alky.
look, i get the fact that you guys are absolutely fucking desperate for a fresh pack of democrat voters. truly i do. but that's your problem, and folks like me and ms. ingraham are loathe to let you make it OUR problem.
come here legally, obey the law, and show up with a marketable skill. NOT an application for welfare benefits. that's all we ask, alky. and that ain't asking a lot.
I replied to your comments.
We agree to disagree on that issue.
Because I can't post a new topic I had to use this to post on the unbelievably racist comments by Laura Ingram.
Unfortunately you will not address the overwhelming dangers of the President and his pathological supporters. You're married to a woman who is of Chinese origin who is an American
Because I can't post a new topic I had to use this to post on the unbelievably racist comments by Laura Ingram.
translation:
because you got your wrinkly old ass kicked on the healthcare discussion you needed to create a diversion, and quick. so you dishonestly went straight to a completely phony racism claim.
Unfortunately you will not address the overwhelming dangers of the President and his pathological supporters. You're married to a woman who is of Chinese origin who is an American
please elaborate on the dangers Mrs. CH faces, alky.
this i gotta hear.
So Roger... in a nutshell
you lost an argument...
and you decided to come back and call someone a racist this morning?
But it's not "dodging the subject".
Wow... that's really "genius".
"Anybody from any corner of the world can come to America to live and become an American.'
Ronald Reagan,"
Not if you're from Slovenia.....too WHITE for Rog and the commie.
Scott you have lost your credibility since Trump entered the White House.
I understand different opinions about political differences are acceptable. But the President has been catering to the white supremacist movement and as Laura Ingraham and your hatred of liberals has destroyed your faith in the United States and replaced it with fealty to the President.
alky,
let's do this...
why don't you unpack the ingraham quote for us in its entirety and show us line by line the racism contained within.
here, i'll get you started:
"The America we know and love doesn't exist anymore. Massive demographic changes have been foisted on the American people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like ... this is related to both illegal and legal immigration"
go for it.
President Trump has repeatedly and vehemently denounced what he calls “chain migration,” in which adult American citizens can obtain residency for their relatives.
On Thursday, his Slovenian in-laws, Viktor and Amalija Knavs, became United States citizens in a private ceremony in Manhattan by taking advantage of that same family-based immigration program.
I don't have a problem with them becoming Americans. Your perseverance in supporting the President is hypocritical to the extreme.
Again Roger...
This President is only marginally less popular than the previous President, and arguably has gotten more things accomplished.
Now you are back to your paranoid idea that this President is in cahoots with the Russians (ooooooooh) and probably secretly meets with the leaders of the KKK (aaaaaaaaah). Oh, and he must be stopped because he is "Dangerous".
Yeah, we are in danger of actually hitting 3-4 percent growth, and in danger of full employment, and in danger of having mature responsible Justices on the bench, and in danger of wiping out a bunch of stupid government regulations, and in danger of having the Europeans pay their share of NATO, and in danger of North Korea being reasonable, and in danger of actually fighting back in a trade war we have been losing for a decade.
Mostly, we are in danger of the irresponsible political lurch to the far left coming to a complete halt. Which is really what your heroes at the top of the liberal food chain are pissed off about. And trust me, they understand how easy it is to manipulate you into getting riled up about it.
Simply put. A majority of immigrants who want to come here and become Americans are not always lilly white of Northern European descent.
You believe that the beaners are all coming here to suck off the governmental tits. Or sell drugs, commit murder and join gangs.
You're underlying beliefs are the definition of racism.
"Scott you have lost your credibility since Trump entered the White House."
#resistwemustIMPEACHhe'snotmypresident - -
Roger's Twitter feed.
Roger Amick said...
President Trump has repeatedly and vehemently denounced what he calls “chain migration,” in which adult American citizens can obtain residency for their relatives.
On Thursday, his Slovenian in-laws, Viktor and Amalija Knavs, became United States citizens in a private ceremony in Manhattan by taking advantage of that same family-based immigration program.
President Trump has repeatedly and vehemently denounced what he calls “chain migration,” in which adult American citizens can obtain residency for their relatives.
On Thursday, his Slovenian in-laws, Viktor and Amalija Knavs, became United States citizens in a private ceremony in Manhattan by taking advantage of that same family-based immigration program.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/09/nyregion/melania-trumps-parents-become-us-citizens.html
stop stealing from the ny times alky.
their new little racist asian writer hates white men. especially white men who steal.
Roger
You DO REALIZE that a vast majority of this country is against chain migration!?
You DO REALIZE that a vast majority of this country is against the visa lottery!?
You DO REALIZE that a vast majority would like to see a merit based immigration policy!?
You DO REALIZE that a majority of Americans want less (not more) immigration!?
You DO REALIZE that most Americans are in favor of controlling our borders and stopping illegal immigration!?
You do realize that your opinions on these subjects are in the minority, and in many cases a pretty fucking small minority.
Why do you believe that your "MINORITY OPINION" should rule the day, Roger?
Why do you believe your opinion is more important than other people's?
Because you are not winning these arguments at the ballot box.
I understand different opinions about political differences are acceptable. But the President has been catering to the white supremacist movement and as Laura Ingraham and your hatred of liberals has destroyed your faith in the United States and replaced it with fealty to the President.
I understand how easy it was for them to manipulate you into supporting a President who is contrary to anything the Republican party has stood for since Reagan.
You are letting your hatred for liberals has destroyed your ability to look at the reality of the danger this President presents to the United States and the Constitution.
Liar
I understand different opinions about political differences are acceptable. But the President has been catering to the white supremacist movement and as Laura Ingraham and your hatred of liberals has destroyed your faith in the United States and replaced it with fealty to the President.
"fealty"
LOL.
The Fox News viewers are almost 100% white. Laura Ingram gave the most racist comment I have ever heard in my 67 years.
"The America we know and love doesn't exist anymore, Massive demographic changes have been foisted on the American people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like."
Ingraham said "this is related to both illegal and legal immigration."
With the exception of the Native Americans we are a nation of immigrants who came here to find a better life for themselves and their families. How in hell does even Fox News allow this to be put on the air?
My earliest relative came from Germany to the North American British colony in 1759. Ingram seems to believe that if you are not of white, European in descent you are causing the "changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like." Welcome to the country of Trump. Because you know that the "Mexicans are sending over criminals, rapist, murderers, drug traffickers and terrorists. "
Vote Democrat whether or not if you agree because the President has turned the Republican party into the Trump party. Vladimir Putin is one of the members of the Trump party. R.I.P the GOP. VOTE!
Roger L. Amick
What is wrong with Northrop Grumman Company?
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Simply put. A majority of immigrants who want to come here and become Americans are not always lilly white of Northern European descent.
which has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
where i live you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a dozen indian IT professionals. and we're flush with hispanics in the building trades and agriculture.
You believe that the beaners are all coming here to suck off the governmental tits. Or sell drugs, commit murder and join gangs.
not a day goes by that i don't read a news story that just fucking happened where some illegal beaner didn't rape or murder someone. MS-13 is a big problem on long island. a beaner was just caught at the border trying to pass off a young child he'd been raping as his own daughter. and i'm sure kate steinle's parents weep every fucking day.
but your side is so desperate for fresh voters that you can sign up for welfare and voter registration at the same time that all those who die at the hands of illegals are nothing more to you than collateral damage.
don't feign compassion. be honest about your motives. because we already know what they are.
fe·al·ty
noun historical
a feudal tenant's or vassal's sworn loyalty to a lord.
"they owed fealty to the Earl rather than the King"
Because you are not winning these arguments at the ballot box.
hence his desperation and demnand for a flood of undocumented democrats.
Scott you obviously agree with Ingraham and rrb.
So sad.
Blogger Loretta said...
"fealty"
LOL.
well... now we know what roger's 'word of the day' calendar reads on august 10th 2018.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Scott you obviously agree with Ingraham and rrb.
so does a majority of America.
btw, you still haven't pointed out the blatant racism in the ingraham quote.
get on that, alky.
Watch the News in November to see how many people support the racist movement of Donald Trump
Another example of trump chumps trying to clarify a racist remark....and the sycophants will slurp it up and never utter a word about supporting their nazi lover and liar in chief....so sad how low they will go!!! Another POS righty trying to correct the record...too funny!!
Fox News host Laura Ingraham defended her controversial anti-immigrant comments on Thursday and disavowed the white nationalists and “one racist freak” who endorsed those remarks.
Although Ingraham didn’t name the individual, she was likely referring to former KKK leader David Duke, who tweeted (and then deleted) praise for her comments in which she lamented the “massive demographic changes” caused by immigration and said “in some parts of the country, it does seem like the America that we know and love doesn’t exist anymore.”
Ingraham said:
“I want to start tonight by addressing my commentary at the top of last night’s show. A message to those who are distorting my views, including all white nationalists and especially one racist freak whose name I will not even mention. You do not have my support. You don’t represent my views and you are antithetical to the beliefs I hold dear.”
Then, Ingraham defended her Wednesday night monologue in which she complained of “changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don’t like” and blamed “both illegal and, in some cases, legal immigration.”
Current federal policy automatically adds about one million new legal immigrants each year giving all of them lifetime work visas. Which is closest to the number of lifetime immigrant work visas the government should be adding each year -- none, 250,000, half a million, one million, one and a half million, two million, or more than two million?
22% None
23% 250,000
15% Half a million
15% One Million
4% One-and-a-half million
3% Two million
5% More than two million
14% Not sure
(60% said 500,000 or less)
(27% said one million or more)
If Congress decides to pass a bill to give young-adult ILLEGAL immigrants lifetime work permits and a path to citizenship, should the bill allow illegal immigrants to petition to obtain lifetime work permits for their extended families, or should the bill include an end to Chain Migration of extended families?
32% Allow work permits for extended families
57% Include an end to Chain Migration of extended families
12% Not sure
https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/poll-most-voters-agree-trump-end-chain-migration-reduce-overall-immigration
There are more polls out there Roger that echo these sentiments. These polls have nothing to do with White supremacy or racism or anything other than the fact that people are simply NOT in favor of expanding immigration. People don't want to eliminate it. They believe that it inherently is a good thing that makes a stronger country IF IT IS DONE RIGHT.
But nobody other than complete dolts believes that allowing MS13 gang members to haul drugs, guns, and human slaves over the borders is something that makes our country stronger. Are you a dolt Roger?
So I ask you again.
Why is YOUR MINORITY OPINION more important than the majority opinion of the American citizenship? Why do you believe that it is YOUR RIGHT to tell the rest of the country what is good for them?
Why Roger?
What a vulgar thing to think and say.
"another white women who thinks her shit or pussy don't stink."
Do all of the women around you know you think of them this way?
"now we know what roger's 'word of the day' calendar reads on august 10th 2018."
Exactly, LOL!
I have a far better vocabulary than most people. Fealty was the correct noun for the comments by Scott.
not a day goes by that i don't read a news story that just fucking happened where some illegal beaner
BULLSHIT!!!! Next it will be good nazi's idiot...
Welcome to the white supremacist movement Scott
What a vulgar thing to think and say.
If you don't like it....go somewhere else to project your brand of stupidity....BTW? Your shit don't stink asshole? Maybe it smells like roses....LOLOLOL!!!
Roger is tiresome.
"btw, you still haven't pointed out the blatant racism in the ingraham quote.
get on that, alky."
Good luck with that.
A significant percentage of the Republicans believe that Obama is from Kenya.
You are ignoring the underlying racism beneath your President.
Sad
Sad, lowretta's sole comment is about others word usage. I guess here lack of education makes her envious of others ability. So sad..... Maybe she should learn a few new words on her own....like closet racist....which you all are...Make America White Again is the theme you support....
Welcome to the white supremacist movement Scott
Well Roger... It's clear you've been brainwashed. But pretty simple when you clearly have no thoughts of your own. It opens up a lot room for your cult leaders to give you all sorts or paranoid ideas.
But you don't see the irony that you continue to prove the idea that liberal ideas are so indefensible that the only response that they have is to call the other side names (generally racists, sexists, homophobes, etc...)
It's a lost cause to actually ask you to defend your views with logic.
"I have a far better vocabulary than most people."
LMAO. NO you don't, LMAO!
She also said merit-based immigration “does wonders for our country’s economy, our way of life and how we define our country.”
Code for no beaners....funny how malodorous's parents got in on what? Fucking hypocrites .....
You believe that most Democrats believe that allowing MS13 gang members to haul drugs, guns, and human slaves over the borders is something that makes our country stronger. Are you a dolt Scott?
The President has repeatedly lied about that most of the immigrants who are attempting to enter the country and become Americans are really MS13 gang members who haul drugs, guns, and human slaves.
That is totally false.
But your fealty to the President has blinded you because you hate liberals.
Logic has escaped from your mind.
The President has repeatedly lied about that most of the immigrants who are attempting to enter the country and become Americans are really MS13 gang members who haul drugs, guns, and human slaves.
That is totally false.
"fealty"
LOL.
I can see why wp said that he's just wasting his time trying to have rational discussions on the Coldheartedtruth.
"It's a lost cause to actually ask you to defend your views with logic."
Scott you have lost the ability to think logically.
And CH the racist who never said a word about good nazi's now accuses others of being brainwashed....look in the Mirror, here is what you defend...
“Massive demographic changes have been foisted upon the American people. And they’re changes that none of us ever voted for and most of us don’t like,” she said, adding that she was referring to both “illegal and legal immigration.”
Yeah...clearly you can't focus anymore.....iberal ideas are so indefensible with posits like this.....your gays are second rate citizens is a prime example of your own bigotry....so sad...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vGAqYNFQdZ4
BTW, the failing NYT's had a record quarter profit wise....At least that is a sign there are people reading a real news source instead of depending on trump tweets.....!!! Funny how the times is failing failing!!!!!
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Watch the News in November to see how many people support the racist movement of Donald Trump
look alky, i can see why you're so panicked....
The Trump economy is destroying the Obama coalition
While Democrats and their wingmen in the media are falling over themselves to make superstars out of shiny new socialists such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib, the unapologetic capitalist in the White House is achieving something much more monumental. He’s delivering a booming economy that is bringing increased prosperity, opportunity and freedom to every demographic group. That, in turn, is generating growing support for him and his policies, including, most significantly, from constituencies critical to the Democratic Party.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
A significant percentage of the Republicans believe that Obama is from Kenya.
geezus, hide the fucking matches... the alky is cranking out strawmen like crazy this morning.
0linsky's not from kenya, alky. he's a two bit nickledick from cabrini green. everyone knows that. including republicans.
Scott you have lost the ability to think logically.
says the asshat who sees racism where none exists.
You believe that most Democrats believe that allowing MS13 gang members to haul drugs, guns, and human slaves over the borders is something that makes our country stronger.
I believe that most Democrats are against the President and Republicans who want to do a better job securing the borders. They demand "concessions" every time they offer another dollar in border security.
Do you not agree with this assessment?
I believe that there are plenty of Democrats who hate the border control and want to eliminate ICE.
Do you not agree with this assessment?
Of course border patrol and ICE are specifically those who are fighting to keep MS13 gang members, other drug, gun, and human trafficker out of the country. But if you favor increasing border patrol, ICE, and overall border security...
What do you call that person, Roger?
Yeah... A racist!!
So you cannot have it both ways. If you demand that it's racist to want border security. Then you cannot ALSO suggest that you are for border security yourself.
If you are not FOR border security, then you don't give a shit if MS13 gang members are bringing crime, drugs, and guns into our country.
SO which is it Roger?
Are you for or against increasing our Border Security???
Are you for or against preventing MS13 members and other criminals from crossing the border?
Pick a god damned side!!!
"Scott you have lost the ability to think logically."
resistwemustIMPEACHhe'snotmypresident - -
Roger's Twitter feed.
Funny, how Laura has roared back after her idiocy about Parkland. Fox should fire her ass, but thrive on such divisive commenters that make them lots of money which is king to trump chumps.....so much for fox trying to tone racist comment down...
https://www.newsweek.com/ingraham-race-charged-fox-warned-1066570
"0linsky's not from kenya, alky. he's a two bit nickledick from cabrini green. everyone knows that. including republicans."
Just another two- bit community organizer.
resistwemustIMPEACHhe'snotmypresident -
More than just roger who think that.....too bad you can't recognize your own bigotry....nothing new there..
Roger Amick said...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vGAqYNFQdZ4
take your own advice alky. your psychological projection is on fire this morning, so don't get it too close to your strawman assembly line!
just another two- bit community organizer.
Instead of a lying, cheating, pussy grabbing asshole you support....living in the past is what you guys do best....oh well.
Omarosa doing a good job selling a book with outrageous accusations against trump. She has been known to lie before to achieve her goal.
Projecting CH again talking out his ass with this guano,,,
Republicans who want to do a better job securing the borders. They demand "concessions" every time they offer another dollar in border security.
You really need to get back on your meds.....spending money on security is one thing....seperating kids and building a useless wall is another matter that you have trouble discerning...
Omarosa doing a good job selling a book with outrageous accusations against trump
Funny how she is making money by lying, just like trump,,,,What's wrong with that????? Let me guess what your next comment will be loser...LOLOLOL!!
Great video of Rudy looking like a fool....nothing new there!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jieYVamQMxE
You are ignoring the underlying racism beneath your President.
huh.
so alky, i guess what you're saying is that in spite of the fact that America is such a racist, bigoted, misogynistic, homophobic, islamophobic, gun-loving, discriminatory hellhole, we need to let illegals flood across our borders because your party needs the voters.
do i have that about right?
we need to let illegals flood across our borders because your party needs the voters.
No one other than assholes like you trying to erect a straw man say something as idiotic as that....I guess that is why you can't think for yourself or graduate from ag school....Keep slurping away....it is what you do best....
Welcome to the white supremacist movement Scott" Roger are you a card carrying member?
29 % of Blacks in Detroit approve of President Trump.
John James will be MI next US Senator.
"Welcome to the white supremacist movement Scott" Roger are you a card carrying member?"
Yes. The skunk smells his own hole first.
Yep.
Alky you never did say IF when your parents died , did you recieve an inheritance?
Dennis parents didn't.
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