Friday, September 21, 2018

Mistaken identity possibly misses the point...

So Ed Whelan did a little research and then a little more. He definitely should not have made an accusation based on his research, and he did the right thing by apologizing to Chris Garrett and removing the posts that suggest Garrett was the culprit. But let's just take the Chris Garrett situation out of consideration for now and focus on the rest of it.


So in order to reconcile the two versions of events, whether there were two or four people in the room, Ford clarified to say (that the therapist was wrong) and that there were only two people in the room at the time of the alleged attack, but four others at the party (which would explain where the therapist came up with four). Now, perhaps your first thought was a little like mine when I wondered out loud how many people refer to five people getting together as a party, but I can let that slide.

But by demanding that the number four represented how many other people were at the house, it narrows the possible locations of where this alleged attack took place. Since it was obviously not "her" house, and since high school kids are not allowed to simply pick random houses to walk into, the alleged attack must have taken place in either Kavanaugh's house, Judge's house, PJ's house, or the house of the other female suggested to be present.

Certainly if it was a normal high school party, where there are dozens of kids running around, not knowing who's house you were at make sense. But in a smaller group setting (five people) it's much less likely that you wouldn't know who's house you were at. Especially considering that Ford makes some very specific statements about where the house was, and how the floor plan worked out.

So what's important with the Whelan research isn't that he found a possible look alike, but that he was able to show that none of the other four people at the alleged get together lived in a house that either matched the location or the floor plan she suggests. Furthermore, we don't know (but will probably find out) if she has ever been to any of these student's houses at other times. If so, we could probably rule those houses out as possible locations (because she would have recognized them)

By all accounts, Ford seems to be describing a house that none of the people she alleges were at the party lived in. That suggests that there had to be at least one other person at the party. Quite obviously the person who lived in the house in question. That would mean that either the number four is incorrect, or she has the wrong four people.

At the very least, Ford's memory of who was actually at the party appears to be factually incorrect. So we can the makeup  of the party goers to the growing list of things that Christine Ford is either unsure of or simply outright wrong about.

This begs the question. How many inconsistencies and downright factually incorrect parts of a 36 year old memory are allowed, before we decide that we cannot "count on" this particular memory to ruin someone's career, reputation, and tarnish his entire family?

18 comments:

Myballs said...

Six more women have come forward. Not to accuse. To support kavanaugh.

Oops. That's not in the script.

Anonymous said...




DEMOCRATS: WE ALREADY KNOW KNOW KAVANAUGH IS GUILTY [MONTAGE]


https://news.grabien.com/story-democrats-we-already-know-know-kavanaugh-guilty-montage



who are the fascists again?


Anonymous said...

The obama/clinton/ried/polosi transformer are the Fascists.

Anonymous said...

James ran in breathlessly with two girls that had first hand knowledge , until they both said they didn't.

Anonymous said...

Dr Cray Cray has a new Republican offer. Wednesday.

Anonymous said...



the ny times has been reduced to trolling trump to try and get him to fire rosenstein...


WASHINGTON — The deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, suggested last year that he secretly record President Trump in the White House to expose the chaos consuming the administration, and he discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Mr. Trump from office for being unfit.

Mr. Rosenstein made these suggestions in the spring of 2017 when Mr. Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director plunged the White House into turmoil. Over the ensuing days, the president divulged classified intelligence to Russians in the Oval Office, and revelations emerged that Mr. Trump had asked Mr. Comey to pledge loyalty and end an investigation into a senior aide.

Mr. Rosenstein was just two weeks into his job. He had begun overseeing the Russia investigation and played a key role in the president’s dismissal of Mr. Comey by writing a memo critical of his handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation. But Mr. Rosenstein was caught off guard when Mr. Trump cited the memo in the firing, and he began telling people that he feared he had been used.

Mr. Rosenstein made the remarks about secretly recording Mr. Trump and about the 25th Amendment in meetings and conversations with other Justice Department and F.B.I. officials. Several people described the episodes, insisting on anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. The people were briefed either on the events themselves or on memos written by F.B.I. officials, including Andrew G. McCabe, then the acting bureau director, that documented Mr. Rosenstein’s actions and comments.

None of Mr. Rosenstein’s proposals apparently came to fruition. It is not clear how determined he was about seeing them through, though he did tell Mr. McCabe that he might be able to persuade Attorney General Jeff Sessions and John F. Kelly, then the secretary of homeland security and now the White House chief of staff, to mount an effort to invoke the 25th Amendment.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/us/politics/rod-rosenstein-wear-wire-25th-amendment.html


Myballs said...

Being reported...

Hearing Wednesday, ford is first, kavanaugh 2nd, questioned NY attorney.

It will be take it or leave it time.

Myballs said...

By attorney

C.H. Truth said...

Rat -

Rosenstein flat out denies that there was ever discussions about the 25th amendment or that he ever believed that there should be discussions about the 25th amendment.

But either way, it provides Trump with more ammunition to fire his ass the second this Mueller probe is over and done with.

Anonymous said...



yeah, i figured rosenstein wasn't THAT stupid, but i was surprised by how the ny times so brazenly tried to troll trump. man, those assholes have NO shame.

Anonymous said...



plus, if you're going to record trump, you get scam-arosa to do it.

James said...

HEADLINE
Defense of Kavanaugh turns to theory of evil look-alike before collapsing under ridicule


LOL GOOD OLE CH SWALLOWED THIS, HOOK, LINE AND SINKER

James said...

The defense of Judge Brett Kavanaugh took a soap opera turn this week when allies of the Supreme Court nominee suggested a look-alike had committed the sexual assault of which Kavanaugh has been accused.

Ed Whelan, president of the think tank Ethics & Public Policy Center and former clerk to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, spent much of the week hinting that he could disprove Christine Blasey Ford’s accusations that Kavanaugh had drunkenly assaulted her at a party when the two were teenagers. On Twitter, Whelan said there was “compelling evidence” and predicted Democrats would be apologizing to Kavanaugh. Politico reported that Whelan was so confident that he “told at least three associates that his confidence level in his assertions is ‘close to 100 percent.’”
Conservative social media lit up with the prospect that Whelan, regarded (at least until now) as a responsible commentator and political operative, had proof that would settle the issue in Kavanaugh’s favor. “Ed Whelan is the model of careful, discerning legal analysis and commentary. It’s why all of us who know him take everything he says and writes so seriously,” Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, told Politico. Whelan writes on judicial issues for the magazine.
On Thursday evening, Whelan laid out his theory in a now-deleted Twitter thread that suggested Ford was indeed assaulted — but by another Georgetown Prep student who looked like the teenage Kavanaugh. Using a floor plan found in a Zillow listing and Google Maps, Whelan claimed to have identified the house described by Ford in her account. Whelan named the man he is accusing, but most news organizations have chosen not to.
Ford immediately dismissed the claim in a statement, saying that she knew both Kavanaugh and the classmate, and there was “zero chance” she would have confused them. On Friday morning, Whelan deleted the thread after hours of criticism, even by allies of Kavanaugh. Commenters pointed out the risk that the man he named — who has not spoken publicly about the accusation — could plausibly press a claim for defamation.
“I made an appalling and inexcusable mistake of judgment in posting the tweet thread in a way that identified Kavanaugh’s Georgetown Prep classmate,” wrote Whelan. “I take full responsibility for that mistake, and I deeply apologize for it. I realize that does not undo the mistake.”

James said...

Rosenstein Discussed Invoking 25th Amendment

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein suggested secretly recording President Trump “to expose the chaos consuming the administration, and he discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office for being unfit,” the New York Times reports.

Rosenstein “made these suggestions in the spring of 2017 when Trump’s firing of James Comey as FBI Director plunged the White House into turmoil. Over the ensuing days, the president divulged classified intelligence to Russians in the Oval Office, and revelations emerged that Trump had asked Comey to pledge loyalty and end an investigation into a senior aide.”
“The extreme suggestions show Rosenstein’s state of mind in the disorienting days that followed Comey’s dismissal.”

ABC News reports the details of Rosenstein’s discussions are included in the memos of former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe.

C.H. Truth said...

James...

Whelan did exactly what he set out to do. Which was point out to the public that none of the people Ford said attended the Party actually live in a house as she describes it. That's a very significant hole in her story. One she will have to address at the hearing.

Of course he is going to take heat for basically making a second accusation against another person (when there is no proof that any assault actually took place).

As I stated, he probably would have been best served to have just pointed out the inconsistencies of the House vs the people at the Party and not made the mistaken identity allegation.


But as you and I "both" know... Ford's initial allegations suggested that there was a party (not four other people) and that her alleged assailant held a hand over her mouth so that others didn't hear her screams (by others, one has to assume more than just another guy and girl). She settled on the four people as a party to cover for the fact that she had previously told a therapist that there were four others in the room.

This is what happens when facts start causing problems with your allegations.

Anonymous said...



The GOP has been told that Ford does not want to fly from her California home to Washington, according to the Republican senator, which means she may need to drive across the country to make the hearing. Ford has reportedly told friends she is uncomfortable in confined spaces, indicating a physical difficulty in making the trip by plane.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/21/trump-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-charges-834664


dr. cray cray has developed a sudden fear of flying, most likely associated with her post post post post post post post post traumatic (after 36 years) stress disorder.

plus, she's not sure if she's allowed to board a commercial airliner with 63 cats.

developing...


Anonymous said...

yeah, i figured rosenstein wasn't THAT stupid, but i was surprised by how the ny times so brazenly tried to troll trump. man, those assholes have NO shame." REV

YEP.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You are getting as crazy as the President.

As the stories about the disastrous Presidency pile up you get like him on Twitter.