Was this some sort of "fraud" or some form of illegal activity? Well the answers to this are "probably" and unfortunately "no".
California has set up a pretty ingenious system, that will pretty much take the average voter out of the loop as it pertains to winning elections. In essence, the voter will be replaced by the ballot harvester as the key to winning elections in California. Why just vote once, when you can go collect or harvest dozens (if not hundreds) of ballots for your candidate.
So what is California doing?
- First they send an absentee ballot to every voter in the state, whether they requested one or not.
- Then they allow anyone who would like to do so, the opportunity to go door to door, pick up those ballots from voters, and deliver them to a polling station.
- On top of that, there is nothing that prevents that third party person (who can be literally anyone) to push for that person to vote for one candidate or the other, and even help fill out the ballot.
- Lastly, they are not required (once they knock on the door) to help everyone. If that person is not voting for whom they would like, they can simply refuse to take the ballot (or presumingly they could, in theory, take the ballot and not turn it in).
So let's start with the fact that in generally all elections it is illegal for a poll worker to make a political pitch for anyone, and those poll workers are limited as to how far they can go in helping a voter fill out the ballot. In fact, there are generally laws that prevent "any" sort of polling station politicking anywhere's near a polling station.
But with ballot harvesting, these people become (for all practical purposes) poll workers and these homes become the polling station. But these ballot harvesters are not only allowed to help fill out the ballots (or even fill them out for them), but they are allowed (while the person is literally voting) to tell them who to vote for.
Now Democrats in the state are arguing that this is just plain old old fashioned get out the vote tactics, and vote canvassing. But it's unclear to me how this would pass the muster of many of our election laws (and most certainly crosses all sorts of lines as it pertains to election etiquette). The potential for fraud seems almost purposeful.
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The potential for fraud seems almost purposeful.
Almost?
If your name is not on the voter list at your polling place, you have the right to vote a provisional ballot.
What Is a Provisional Ballot?
A provisional ballot is a regular ballot that is placed in a special envelope prior to being put in the ballot box.
Who Casts a Provisional Ballot?
Provisional ballots are ballots cast by voters who:
Believe they are registered to vote even though their names are not on the official voter registration list at the polling place.
Vote by mail and instead want to vote at their polling place or a vote center, but they did not receive their ballot or do not have their ballot with them (and the elections official is unable to verify that they have not returned their vote-by-mail ballot).
What Happens After You Cast a Provisional Ballot?
Your provisional ballot will be counted after elections officials have confirmed that you are registered to vote in that county and you did not already vote in that election.
You may vote a provisional ballot at any polling place in the county in which you are registered to vote, however, only the elections contests you are eligible to vote for will be counted.
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/provisional-voting/
2nd Generation Alky is getting dumber.
You are lying about the election in California Orange County and California in general. Trumpist loser S. Scott Johnson
Let me guess. All provisional ballots for Democrats are valid. Republicans? Not so much.
Your provisional ballot will be counted after elections officials have confirmed that you are registered to vote in that county and you did not already vote in that election.
But not the fact that you were indeed the person who actually voted.
You are guessing that because you believe that the state law that requires every single provisional vote to be verified was violated by the government of California without one ounce of evidence.
Orange County is a prosperous country where there are many, white, educated women. They have been voting against the President indirectly by voting for the Democratic candidates for the house of Representatives.
Prove it asshole.
They are not counted unless
election officials have confirmed that you are registered to vote in that county and you did not already vote in that election.
You have not one ounce of evidence to support your opinion and allegations of highly coordinated criminal deception by thousands of people.
Really. Do you have a signature validation rule? An affadavid rule.
Tell what California law protects a person's right to vote from being stolen by someone else?
"But not the fact that you were indeed the person who actually voted."
The fraudulent voter would have to know that the person he is imitating wasn't going to vote. If there were hundreds of double vote provisional votes you might have a point. But there is no evidence to support your allegations.
Well they do since they pick up his ballot. They could vote for him and they frequently do. This is a system set up for fraud.
And it frequently does since there was a big fraud bust in LA where Democrat activists illegally harvested homeless registrations.
So Roger has now placed six (count em - six) comments about provisional ballots... on a thread about the concept of harvesting absentee ballots.
Obviously Roger (once again) doesn't have the cognitive ability anymore to understand the topic of a thread
2nd Generation Alky inherited inferior genes. He gets confused easily.
Cheap hookers, Bill and Hillary.
Both can be had for $7.
Yeah that re-re--re - fleece tour is going very poorly.
This is an absolute falsehood.
"But these ballot harvesters are not only allowed to help fill out the ballots (or even fill them out for them), but they are allowed (while the person is literally voting) to tell them who to vote for."
Who to vote for is not permitted by the ballot workers. The vote harvesters who cannot tell anyone who to vote for to work in the ballot room. They are get out the vote volunteers. I have been voting in California for decades. The ballots you get in the mail are not the final ballots. You received the ballot from the ballot workers at the desks, where they verifies the voters name and address.
You entire thread is a lie.
The vote harvesters who cannot tell anyone who to vote for to work in the ballot room. They are get out the vote volunteers. I have been voting in California for decades. The ballots you get in the mail are not the final ballots. You received the ballot from the ballot workers at the desks, where they verifies the voters name and address.
You entire thread is a lie.
The President has issued an order to Scott.
Robert Mueller and out of control band of Angry Democrats, don't want the truth, they only want lies. The truth is very bad for their mission!
Nov. 9th, 2016 @ 03:00 am Central Standard Time the Self named "Resist the Republic" was launched.
You take the new ballot into the box. It has a page for each position. You push it down to open the spot next to me person.
Scott you are calling the volunteers who go door to door and seek the voter and get him or her to the voting station are acting illegally.
If they are of either party they may ask who the candidate he is going to vote for. It's not illegal or fraudulent to get out the vote.
I did that back in 72 .
In a district in North Carolina the Republican beat the Democrat by about 800 votes. The Charlotte Observer has a story about voter fraud that Scott will never waist his time telling the Coldheartedtruth story here.
Unreturned ballots
A News & Observer analysis of data on mail-in ballots in the district found:
▪ Across the 9th district, which stretches from Charlotte to Fayetteville along North Carolina’s southern border, 24 percent of the requested mail-in ballots were unreturned. In Robeson County, 64 percent of mail-in ballots requested did not make it back to elections officials. In Bladen County, the figure was 40 percent.
▪ The unreturned ballots are disproportionately associated with minority voters. More than 40 percent of the ballots requested by African Americans and more than 60 percent of those requested by American Indians did not make it back to elections officials. For white voters, that figure was just 17 percent.
▪ In Bladen County, the breakdown for African Americans and American Indians generally reflected the district-wide figures. But in Robeson County, 75 percent of the mail-in ballots requested by African Americans and 69 percent of the mail-in ballots requested by American Indians were listed as unreturned.
▪ In other counties hard-hit by Hurricane Florence, as Bladen and Robeson were, the share of unreturned mail-in ballots was not as high. In Columbus County, 29 percent of the mail-in ballots requested were unreturned. In Pender County, the figure was 18 percent.
More Republicans have to cheat to win.
President Trump will attend but not speak at this week’s funeral service for former President George Bush, seemingly a compromise intended to respect tradition while avoiding an awkward moment given the animosity between the current president and the Bush family.
Instead, eulogies will be delivered by former President George W. Bush, Mr. Bush’s son, and two friends, former Prime Minister Brian Mulroney of Canada and former Senator Alan Simpson, Republican of Wyoming. Rounding out the speakers will be Jon Meacham, the Pulitzer-winning historian and author of the definitive biography of the 41st president.
"animosity between the current president and the Bush family." 2nd Generation Alky.
You baffon , Bush Familybpushed over the finish line Pres. Trumps last US Supreme Court Justice Bret Kavanaigh.
You guys got whooped.
Is the magic negro going to attend?
Tampering with the witness?
“I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!”
"I may not be Donald Trump now, but just you wait; if I don't make it, my children will."
Now who do you think said the above.
Witness to what US Criminal code??
Got cite?
https://www.lawfareblog.com/donald-trumps-tweet-about-roger-stone-witness-tampering
The president of the United States should spend more time reading Lawfare.
If he did, last August, he might have read the analysis we ran by Sarah Grant, Sabrina McCubbin, Yishai Schwartz and Benjamin Wittes regarding the potential applicability of federal witness tampering laws to the president’s public statements. And so he might have know why it was probably a bad idea this morning to tweet:
Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
“I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!”
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I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. “Justice” took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to “break” - make up stories in order to get a “deal.” Such respect for a brave man!
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As the group wrote then, Trump’s tweet about Cohen and Manafort raised serious questions under 18 U.S.C. § 1512(b)—better known as the statute criminalizing witness tampering. Under § 1512(b), it is illegal to “knowingly … corruptly persuade[] another person”—or to attempt to do so—“with intent to … influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding” or “cause or induce any person to withhold testimony . . . from an official proceeding.” The authors concluded then that, while the specific Manafort tweet in question might not in and of itself constitute witness tampering, the tweet fit into a larger pattern of obstructive conduct by the president that could well fit that bill.
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The same is true today of the president’s tweet about Roger Stone. In fact, insofar as the overall pattern of the president’s conduct toward the Mueller investigation might rise to the level of witness tampering, the fact that Trump is still tweeting out potentially obstructive messages in December—months after his initial August tweet—would seem to strengthen the case.
under 18 U.S.C. § 1512(b)—better known as the statute criminalizing witness tampering. Under § 1512(b), it is illegal to “knowingly … corruptly persuade[] another person”—or to attempt to do so—“with intent to … influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding” or “cause or induce any person to withhold testimony . . . from an official proceeding.”
Roger Amick said...
Scott you are calling the volunteers who go door to door and seek the voter and get him or her to the voting station are acting illegally.
actually alky, that is NOT the case.
by definition, ballot harvesting is the outright theft of an election CODIFIED INTO STATE LAW.
therefore not illegal.
Ballot harvesting: A person requests a mail ballot for someone else or steals a mail ballot, then uses that ballot and forges the intended recipient's signature. Also refers to filling out a ballot for someone else who has requested assistance in filling out a ballot, rather than assisting them. In some states, ballot harvesting refers to the legal practice of third-party collection of multiple absentee ballots for submission.
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_fraud
so, at a fundamental level, the democrats stole orange county by manufacturing the absentee ballots needed to win.
a disgusting practice, but not beneath the dignity of a democrat since democrats really are the scum of the fucking earth.
i'm waiting for the day you shitstains try to legalize voter coercion at gunpoint.
oh, and alky,
all that copying and pasting you're doing of completely unrelated and irrelevant material doesn't make you look learned or smart.
it makes you look like the fucking moron that you really are.
so please, continue. it's always amusing to watch you flail like a special olympian* doing the 50 yard dash.
*h/t - skeets 0linsky
this is why we need ballot harvesting...
...so we can have a bumper crop of parasite ballots, right alky?
In 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.
Welfare use drops to 58 percent for non-citizen households and 30 percent for native households if cash payments from the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) are not counted as welfare. EITC recipients pay no federal income tax. Like other welfare, the EITC is a means-tested, anti-poverty program, but unlike other programs one has to work to receive it.
Compared to native households, non-citizen households have much higher use of food programs (45 percent vs. 21 percent for natives) and Medicaid (50 percent vs. 23 percent for natives).
Including the EITC, 31 percent of non-citizen-headed households receive cash welfare, compared to 19 percent of native households. If the EITC is not included, then cash receipt by non-citizen households is slightly lower than natives (6 percent vs. 8 percent).
While most new legal immigrants (green card holders) are barred from most welfare programs, as are illegal immigrants and temporary visitors, these provisions have only a modest impact on non-citizen household use rates because: 1) most legal immigrants have been in the country long enough to qualify; 2) the bar does not apply to all programs, nor does it always apply to non-citizen children; 3) some states provide welfare to new immigrants on their own; and, most importantly, 4) non-citizens (including illegal immigrants) can receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children who are awarded U.S. citizenship and full welfare eligibility at birth.
https://www.cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs
18 U.S.C. § 1512(b).
Cool, now have Mueller arrest the sitting Naco-Presidential, like you said he has the power to do.
Push all your teams chips in. Stop monkeying around.
Roger -
Are you saying you are unaware of the California law that went into effect this year that allows for a third party to drop off a ballot for another voter?
This bill went into effect prior to the election:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1921
AB 1921, Gonzalez. Elections: vote by mail ballots.
Existing law requires that the vote by mail ballot be available to any registered voter. Under existing law, a voter who is unable to return his or her vote by mail ballot may designate his or her spouse, child, parent, grandparent, grandchild, brother, sister, or person residing in the same household as the vote by mail voter to return the vote by mail ballot. Except in the case of a candidate or the spouse of a candidate, existing law prohibits the return of a voter’s vote by mail ballot by one of those designees who is also a paid or volunteer worker of a general purpose committee, controlled committee, or any other group or organization at whose behest the individual designated to return the ballot is performing a service.
This bill would remove those restrictions and instead authorize the designation of any person to return a vote by mail ballot.
Roger, this law was enacted for the sole purpose of allowing paid workers or other election volunteers to go door to door and "harvest" ballots.
The other law change is that Californians all are now sent an mail-in (absentee ballot) to all voters (whether they request them or not). This means that literally every voter is a potential "harvest" for a paid campaign worker.
There was a reason why the previous laws required your surrogate to be a relative or someone who lived with you. There is a reason why no other state allows campaign workers to go around picking up ballots.
18 U.S.C. § 1512(b).
(b) Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(2) cause or induce any person to—
(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;
(C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or
(3) hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation [1] supervised release,,[1] parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
The violation of the law is an impeachable offense. The House of Representatives has used this in the impeachment charges against Richard Nixon for Watergate.
A sitting President cannot be arrested. If he was impeached and convicted then the Department of justice would be empowered to arrest the civilian Donald J. Trump.
In North Carolina a Republican candidate hired campaign workers to go around picking up ballots.
It was illegal.
You didn't write a 500 word diatribe about this story.
I will bet that you will not ever post a comment about this situation.
Unreturned ballots
A News & Observer analysis of data on mail-in ballots in the district found:
▪ Across the 9th district, which stretches from Charlotte to Fayetteville along North Carolina’s southern border, 24 percent of the requested mail-in ballots were unreturned. In Robeson County, 64 percent of mail-in ballots requested did not make it back to elections officials. In Bladen County, the figure was 40 percent.
▪ The unreturned ballots are disproportionately associated with minority voters. More than 40 percent of the ballots requested by African Americans and more than 60 percent of those requested by American Indians did not make it back to elections officials. For white voters, that figure was just 17 percent.
▪ In Bladen County, the breakdown for African Americans and American Indians generally reflected the district-wide figures. But in Robeson County, 75 percent of the mail-in ballots requested by African Americans and 69 percent of the mail-in ballots requested by American Indians were listed as unreturned.
▪ In other counties hard-hit by Hurricane Florence, as Bladen and Robeson were, the share of unreturned mail-in ballots was not as high. In Columbus County, 29 percent of the mail-in ballots requested were unreturned. In Pender County, the figure was 18 percent.
The link will follow
I voted by mail because I was scheduled for surgery on October 29th.
No one knocked on my door and attempted to influence my vote or offer to submit my ballot.
You're clearly attempting to claim that Orange County went blue was ballot harvesting. Your Trumpism is out of control.
Broken link.
What a stupid loser.
this law was enacted for the sole purpose of allowing paid workers or other election volunteers to go door to door and "harvest" ballots.
Bullshit. Your opinion based upon your political bias against the evil liberals, not the Coldheartedtruth.
Could you imagine the nightmare of Incompetence HB was on any job site?
"Your search - https://amp-charlotteobserver-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/amp.charlotteobserver.com/news ... - did not match any documents.
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Blogger Roger Amick said...
In North Carolina a Republican candidate hired campaign workers to go around picking up ballots.
It was illegal.
that's the fucking point, einstein.
you assholes in mexifornia have codified what should be considered illegal activity INTO LAW.
and no amount of copying and pasting is going to change that fact.
https://amp-charlotteobserver-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/amp.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article222459875.html?usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ%3D%3D&_js_v=0.1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
https://amp-charlotteobserver-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/amp.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article222459875.html?usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ%3D%3D&_js_v=0.1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
It was illegal.
Not turning them in or altering them is not....asshole!!!!
You're clearly attempting to claim that Orange County went blue was ballot harvesting.
because it's true, alky...
The amount of mail-in ballots counted in Orange County were unprecedented – a whopping 250,000 ballots were produced in OC as a result of the new “ballot harvesting” law.
Republicans such as Mimi Walters, Dana Rohrabacher and Young Kim were all ahead election night only to lose their races after late ballots were counted.
Young Kim was ahead by 8,000 votes on election night and even attended freshman orientation in Washington DC only to lose to her Democrat opponent weeks later.
The new voting system in California is so bad that Democrat TJ Cox, who was down by 6.4% on election night in California’s 21st district ended up defeating GOP incumbent David Valadao three weeks later.
Precinct 38083 in Orange County, California had a 120% turnout – 465 registered voters and 561 ballots cast in this precinct. (screenshot below)
Other numbers don’t add up in Orange County either and The Gateway Pundit has been reporting on this for weeks.
October 22nd totals for voter registration there show 541,665 (R) and 523,624 (D) yet totals from Election Day for D’s surpass that by 40k votes so we’re to believe there was 100%+ turnout of registered Dems?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/orange-county-releases-official-vote-count-and-the-numbers-dont-add-up-one-precinct-has-120-turnout/
why the reluctance to admit the obvious, alky?
it's not like ballot harvesting is illegal in mexifornia or anything...
geezus. you won. you should be ecstatic.
hey alky, can you please post that charlotte observer link 7 or 8 more times?
thanks in advance alky.
There is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats harvested votes in Orange County California.
This is just another effort to deny that the President has changed the demographics in favor of the Democrats across the country.
Scott you are in denial of reality in this case because you just can't believe that the people who voted against the President by voting for the Democrats across the country. The popular vote margin was huge.
No one knocked on my door and attempted to influence my vote or offer to submit my ballot.
that's because you don't live in orange county, genius. you live in the parasite playland shithole of LA county, where everyone is truly stupid enough to vote democrat without assistance.
The gateway pundit
LMAO
https://amp-charlotteobserver-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/amp.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article222459875.html?usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ%3D%3D&_js_v=0.1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
Roger Amick said...
There is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats harvested votes in Orange County California.
oh, this is the part where the alky, cloaked in a shield of invincible ignorance, denies what the rest of us accept as fact.
https://amp-charlotteobserver-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/amp.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article222459875.html?usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ%3D%3D&_js_v=0.1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
https://amp-charlotteobserver-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/amp.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article222459875.html?usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ%3D%3D&_js_v=0.1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/
BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!! Really rat hole???? As credible as trump winning the popular vote if 3 million illegals had not voted!!!! jag off.....
and here's a link to the legalized thievery gov moonbeam signed into law.
(courtesy of the gateway pundit (LOL):
Assembly Bill No. 1921
CHAPTER 820
An act to amend Section 3017 of the Elections Code, relating to elections.
[ Approved by Governor September 29, 2016. Filed with Secretary of State September 29, 2016. ]
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1921
thanks gateway pundit! that's quite the kneeslapper you linked us to, right alky?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Even American Stinker is covering this as a real suspicious fraud problem.....a site even a rectum breath can trust....LOLOLOL
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/11/nc_9th_election_results_held_up_for_investigation_into_voter_fraud.html
c'mon alky. i said 7 or 8 more charlotte observer links. not 2.
fuck, you're so fucking impaired you can't even count.
For Democrats, the ballot harvesting was all part of a greater effort to get out the vote from their supporters, particularly from occasional voters.
“We beat Republicans on the ground, fair and square,” said Katie Merrill, a Democratic consultant deeply involved in November campaigns. “Many of the field plans included (ballot harvesting) as an option to deliver voters or their ballots” to the polls.
Those efforts involved identifying voters who might support Democratic candidates and ignoring those who wouldn’t.
In one Orange County household, for example, both the husband and wife were longtime Republicans, said Dale Neugebauer, a veteran Republican consultant. Democratic volunteers came by the house four times, each time asking to speak only with their 18-year-old daughter, a no-party-preference voter, and asking if she wanted them to pick up her signed and completed ballot.
That’s a perfect example of the “thorough and disciplined” ground game the Democrats used, said Merrill.
“We were not wasting time talking to people who weren’t going to vote for Democrats,” she said.
Many of those harvested ballots arrived in the waning days of the election, adding to the flood of votes that couldn’t be counted on election day. And those late ballots broke heavily for the Democrats.
“Absolutely, ballot harvesting played a very significant role,” said Neugebauer, who worked most recently for Orange County Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, another Republican who lost his seat. Democrats had “a huge advantage by executing a plan to gather ballots from voters.”
“I have a little bit of professional admiration for how well the Democrats executed their plan,” Neugebauer admitted.
While the late vote tally typically favors Democrats, the partisan advantage this year was staggering.
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In the Central Valley’s 10th Congressional District, for example, Denham led Democrat Josh Harder by 1,287 votes the morning after the election. As of Thursday, with almost all of the late ballots counted, Harder was ahead by 7,416 votes.
In Orange County, Republican Rep. Mimi Walters of Irvine saw her 6,074-vote lead over Democrat Katie Porter turn into an 11,866-vote deficit.
Speaker Ryan was among the Republicans who couldn’t explain what happened.
“When you win the absentee ballots and you win the in-person vote, where I come from, you win the election,” Ryan said. “I’m not saying there’s anything nefarious about it, because I just don’t know, but we believed we were up about six seats in California the night of the election, now I think we lost just about every single one of those.”
For Democrats, Ryan’s comments were little more than sour grapes from a GOP leader who is retiring after his party was mauled in the midterms.
“Unlike other places in the country, in California we believe in actually counting every vote,” said Rep. Pete Aguilar, D-Redlands (San Bernardino County). “That is sometimes confounding to some of my colleagues, but I think that’s what’s at play here.”
Badly outnumbered in the Legislature, California Republicans have no hope of undoing the new rules. Instead, they’re going to have to adapt.
“The Democrats are creating a new, highly efficient tool to turn out voters,” said Neugebauer, the GOP consultant. “If Republicans can’t find a way to match it, we’re going to lose more elections all over the country.”
John Wildermuth is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer; Tal Kopan is The San Francisco Chronicle’s Washington correspondent. Email: jwildermuth@sfchronicle.com, tal.kopan@sfchronicle.com Twitter: @jfwildermuth @TalKopan
https://www-sfchronicle-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.sfchronicle.com/politics/amp/California-s-late-votes-broke-big-for-13432727.php?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sfchronicle.com%2Fpolitics%2Farticle%2FCalifornia-s-late-votes-broke-big-for-13432727.php
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Happy now racist rodent bastard?
News & Observer analysis of data on mail-in ballots in the district found:
▪ Across the 9th district, which stretches from Charlotte to Fayetteville along North Carolina’s southern border, 24 percent of the requested mail-in ballots were unreturned. In Robeson County, 64 percent of mail-in ballots requested did not make it back to elections officials. In Bladen County, the figure was 40 percent.
▪ The unreturned ballots are disproportionately associated with minority voters. More than 40 percent of the ballots requested by African Americans and more than 60 percent of those requested by American Indians did not make it back to elections officials. For white voters, that figure was just 17 percent.
▪ In Bladen County, the breakdown for African Americans and American Indians generally reflected the district-wide figures. But in Robeson County, 75 percent of the mail-in ballots requested by African Americans and 69 percent of the mail-in ballots requested by American Indians were listed as unreturned.
▪ In other counties hard-hit by Hurricane Florence, as Bladen and Robeson were, the share of unreturned mail-in ballots was not as high. In Columbus County, 29 percent of the mail-in ballots requested were unreturned. In Pender County, the figure was 18 percent.
News & Observer analysis of data on mail-in ballots in the district found:
▪ Across the 9th district, which stretches from Charlotte to Fayetteville along North Carolina’s southern border, 24 percent of the requested mail-in ballots were unreturned. In Robeson County, 64 percent of mail-in ballots requested did not make it back to elections officials. In Bladen County, the figure was 40 percent.
▪ The unreturned ballots are disproportionately associated with minority voters. More than 40 percent of the ballots requested by African Americans and more than 60 percent of those requested by American Indians did not make it back to elections officials. For white voters, that figure was just 17 percent.
▪ In Bladen County, the breakdown for African Americans and American Indians generally reflected the district-wide figures. But in Robeson County, 75 percent of the mail-in ballots requested by African Americans and 69 percent of the mail-in ballots requested by American Indians were listed as unreturned.
▪ In other counties hard-hit by Hurricane Florence, as Bladen and Robeson were, the share of unreturned mail-in ballots was not as high. In Columbus County, 29 percent of the mail-in ballots requested were unreturned. In Pender County, the figure was 18 percent.
so...
in order to rebut a post concerning the LEGAL practice of ballot harvesting in california, the alky proceeds to spam the thread with examples of voter illegality in north carolina.
i'm sure this makes sense to someone. perhaps an imbecile like denny, and of course to the alky himself.
good job, alky.
if CH puts up a post about apples, make sure you respond with oranges, 'k genius?
thanks alky.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Happy now racist rodent bastard?
alky,
whenever you choose to self-identify as an imbecile, why yes... it makes me happy.
In North Carolina a Republican candidate hired campaign workers to go around picking up ballots.
It was illegal.
It is illegal in North Carolina. And 48 other states. For good reason.
But perfectly legal in California as of 2018.
So Roger went from...
It's illegal to harvest ballots, and my post was an entire lie.
To realizing it is legal now in California to harvest ballots, and then deciding to defend the tactic.
Truly an idiot of epic proportions!
You self-identify as an imbecile with every single post in 3rd grade English and racial bias.
the CA GOP needs to fight fire with fire and respond to the next election with mail-in/absentee ballots by the fucking tractor trailer load.
fuck it - punch back twice as hard and play by the left's rules.
You can't comprehend how my support for the law in California which has not yet been used to play racist games as it was in North Carolina is not a contradiction.
I pointed out that the tactic was used by the Republican candidate in North Carolina and that you didn't express outrage because the candidate was a Republican.
Hypocrisy is your biggest challenge.
I pointed out that the tactic was used by the Republican candidate in North Carolina and that you didn't express outrage because the candidate was a Republican.
that's because it's NOT FUCKING LEGAL in north carolina, genius.
republican, democrat, it makes no difference. what's legal in california is completely irrelevant to what's illegal in north carolina.
I pointed out that the tactic was used by the Republican candidate in North Carolina and that you didn't express outrage because the candidate was a Republican.
If the person in question harvested ballots in North Carolina, the that person should face the consequences of the law. Then that person would be one of many who broke election laws in 2018 and had to face the consequences.
I am not going to "express outrage" at every single act of malfeasance and criminal behavior, because doing so would take up most of my day. But as a general rule, I abhor election crimes and unlike you (and your ilk) I fully admit that they take place and:
SHOULD ALWAYS BE PROSECUTED (Republican or Democrat) to the fullest extent of the law!
But when California decides to sanction something that has been illegal in 50 states since we have had absentee and write in ballots, and still illegal in 49 states... then I take issue with it.
Again Roger, the same reasons why this was illegal in California and is still illegal everywhere else is why I we should all take issue with it.
It's one thing if people like the Koch Brothers and Soros fund advertising, pay staff, or even spend $$$ on get out the vote drives....
at the end of the day, all that is free speech that is designed to convince someone to take the initiative to vote and to vote for who they support.
It's another if you allow them to pay people to go door to door, in order to have them get people to physically vote and then take those ballots from the voter. That brings up everything from Poll worker laws, as well as equal protection questions if not "every" voter in the state is provided the same opportunity to simply hand their vote to a person who comes to their house.
Let's put it this way... would you be okay if 100% of the vote harvesters were bought and paid for by the Koch Brothers and the GOP? Would you trust that they would collect everyone's ballot fairly and turn everyone's ballot in for them?
btw... obviously the guy from North Carolina was not just out there to make sure people's ballots were turned in. He was out there specifically to make sure that Republicans were voting and getting those ballots in.
That is why it is illegal for you to allow campaign workers and other third party advocates to collect ballots. They are not doing it with the best interest of the voter or the state in mind. Everyone knows it. Nobody trusts the results when this sort of thing happens.
The fact is, that in many ways it allows for something that is the opposite of one vote, one person. This allows that "one person" might end up being responsible for multiple votes, and if allowed to continue will end up with California elections being decided by who has the better ballot harvesters. The voters will no longer be anything other than pawns.
You can't comprehend how my support for the law in California which has not yet been used to play racist games as it was in North Carolina is not a contradiction.
if it's legal in one state but not in another, it is by definition a contradiction.
Let's put it this way... would you be okay if 100% of the vote harvesters were bought and paid for by the Koch Brothers and the GOP? Would you trust that they would collect everyone's ballot fairly and turn everyone's ballot in for them?
and there's the rub, and why california's intent is criminal in nature.
if the state was genuinely interested in a fair and honest outcome they would hire a disinterested third party to collect ALL ballots. democrat, republican, independent... it shouldn't matter. the fact that it does matter tells me that the corruption is intentional.
to deny that is the height of intellectual dishonesty.
we should probably rethink the border wall concept to include a wall that runs up california's eastern border. when their one-party rule finally turns it into detroit or baltimore, the rest of us need to be on the outside looking in and watching it fucking burn.
between their unfunded pension liability and the fact that they're over-run by illegal democrats it's a powder keg ready to blow.
He was out there specifically to make sure that Republicans were voting and getting those ballots in.
You are sooooooo full of shit, old white man....he also made sure all ballots were not turned in or were altered to favor the R!!!! What planets fat white ass is your head stuck in??????
RRB,
"this is the part where the alky, cloaked in a shield of invincible ignorance, denies what the rest of us accept as fact."
Sorry, I triggered the 14 broken link post by 2nd Generation Alky.
Who is the oldest white boys here.
1, Jane = 78
2, post op Denise = 76
3, 2nd generation Alky = 67
Just did a forward contract on #2 yellow corn, 7 tons. $4.45 per nhl.
What a great price. Beef will be cheaper to produce but, we will keep our finished hanging wgt. At $3.25 per lbs.
Just did a forward contract on #2 yellow corn, 7 tons. $4.45 per nil
WHO GIVES A SHIT OTHER THAN YOU???????? Suggest you hang yourself instead of bessie....asshole
Denise. That meat you slobber over comes from people like me.
You are welcome.
hat meat you slobber over comes from people like me.
BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!! Sure it does.....asshole The only meat you have is between your fucking ears.....
Actual, you can't afford the corn feed, grass finished cattle I raise. You're stuck buying the low grade grizzled cuts.
CHT what happened in California is not that they sent vote-by-mail ballots to every voter but rather took the following steps (as I recall)
began automatically registering people as voters when the did things like get drivers licenses. People were encouraged to check a box to receive mail ballots for the "ease" (versus everything else where California encourages people to go "green")
They then allowed illegals to obtain drivers licenses
They resisted cleaning registered voter rolls which is why its not unusual for registered voters to exceed population.
They now allowed "harvesting" which even include phone apps showing where voters live and party affiliation. I wouldn't be surprised if this now includes "vote-by-mail" indications.
Knowing that youth voters and new car registrations would be largely either Democratic or Independent leaning that way they now have a fertile target ground. And eligibility while still required is winked at. And with cursive writing no longer being taught in California I wonder if forgery is even so hard any more (printed "signatures" and so many non-English speaking people and their native writing). They print ballots in at least 7 different languages further complicating things. And partisan workers now deposit stacks of filled out ballots in bundles (remember in Florida poll workers were actually seen filling out blank ballots)
We need nationwide voting standards and voter verification and 2018 proved that. And California probably should revote.
You are sooooooo full of shit, old white man....he also made sure all ballots were not turned in or were altered to favor the R!!!! What planets fat white ass is your head stuck in??????
Well dusty old white man Denny....
The fact that you believe that the GOP advocate probably altered the ballots before turning them in... is exactly why the law in 49 states does not allow paid campaign workers or even volunteer campaign workers to collect ballots.
It undermines the perceived integrity of the election and makes people question the results.
Now I can be honest and say that I don't want the guy from North Carolina doing it anymore than I want the people doing it in California.
Whereas someone like Roger is off the wall over the North Carolina situation, while relentlessly defending the California law (which as of yesterday he argued didn't exist).
The fact that you believe that the GOP advocate probably
I said nothing of the sort nor do I know what the asshole has done except they are not certifying the vote because of issues!!!
You on the other hand believe he's as pure as trumps fat white ass that you are sucking on!!!!!
Let the BS fall where it may and I'll be patient waiting for the facts to present themselves...and you can speculate until KD's bessie is hung in the barn....LOLOL
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