The results of the Whitewater investigation was that well over thirty people (including the Governor of Arkansas) pled or were found guilty of criminal actions of fraud regarding what the Clintons and media had declared a "partisan witch hunt over a failed land deal".
The results of the obstruction probe was that Starr could show that Clinton lied to the Grand Jury, that he lied to investigators, that he lied in legal depositions, that he engaged in witness tampering, and that he ordered White House counsel to request that Monica Lewinsky sign a false affidavit that claimed her and the President had no sexual relationship. The President himself did not deny any of these charges, but rather apologized to the public, while downplaying the significance of his actions as being "all about a blow job".
The bottom line is that President Clinton did lie to a Grand Jury. President Clinton did lie in depositions. President Clinton did lie to investigators. President Clinton did attempt to garner perjury. President Clinton did tamper with witnesses. Those facts are not in dispute.
Now ask yourself, whether or not you were in favor of the House impeaching President Clinton over the much stronger cases of Perjury, Witness Tampering, and Obstruction of Justice back in 1998?
Then ask yourself if your behavior and beliefs back then are consistent with your behavior and beliefs today regarding President Trump?
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s and media had declared a "partisan witch hunt over a failed land deal
And they were correct as trump is wrong about his BS ties to russian and their influence and various acting like a king.....Even though he was cleared on collusion an ersatz term...it was written beyond a reasonable doubt the trump and his minions sure accepted what the russians were doing as exhibited by his denial still that russia did no meddling How blind can you be , lil Scotty....like your missing the uninsured line and not being able to add.....BWAAAAAA!!@!!!
All weekend you’ve done nothing but troll fatty. Be proud, it’s all you have not to mention the inability to write a coherent sentence.
Back to the hot tube overlooking a valley in Blue Ridge
LMAO
Denny...
Just so you are aware. That entire dialogue is so grammatically impaired that the only portion that is evident is the word BWAAAAAA!!@!!
and even then, I am not quite sure why there is an "@" sign.
The rest makes no sense at all.
So calm down, take a deep breath, relax... and try again. This time in english.
Lil Scotty
Just so you are aware.
To remind you again, you had your scrawny old white ass kicked to next week and all you can provide is a question on why a @??? Call it fat finger input....your inability to read let alone understand is most amusing....
Call it fat finger input....
yeah, those same fat fingers you use to pack your gaping maw at the golden corral.
Back to the hot tube overlooking a valley in Blue Ridge
Sitting in a hot tube there Pauline??????
Too fucking funny....be careful and keep you head above water instead of trumps old white ass.....BWAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
Brass town Bald is crystal clear today......!!!
i've got your obstruction of justice right here:
While then-Attorney General Eric Holder was focused on politics, people were dying. At least 20 other deaths or violent crimes have been linked to Fast and Furious-trafficked guns.
The program came to light only after Terry’s 2010 death at the hands of Mexican bandits, who shot him in the back with government-issued semiautomatic weapons. Caught red-handed, “the most transparent administration in history” flat-out lied about the program to Congress, denying it ever even existed.
Then Team Obama conspired to derail investigations into who was responsible by first withholding documents under subpoena — for which Holder earned a contempt-of-Congress citation — and later claiming executive privilege to keep evidence sealed.
But thanks to the court order, Justice has to cough up the “sensitive” documents. So far it’s produced 20,500 lightly redacted pages, though congressional investigators say they hardly cover all the internal department communications under subpoena. They maintain the administration continues to “withhold thousands of documents.”
Even so, the batch in hand reveals the lengths to which senior Obama operatives went to keep information from Congress.
The degree of obstruction was “more than previously understood,” House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Jason Chaffetz said in a recent memo to other members of his panel.
“The documents reveal how senior Justice Department officials — including Attorney General Holder — intensely followed and managed an effort to carefully limit and obstruct the information produced to Congress,” he asserted.
https://nypost.com/2016/05/21/the-scandal-in-washington-no-one-is-talking-about/
yeah, those same fat fingers you use to pack your gaping maw at the golden corral
Wow ass breath...you really know how to toss them trumpian insults....BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Eight comments...
and not a one from any liberal who can tell us why Clinton should not have been impeached, but Trump should?
https://nypost.com/2016/05/21/the-scandal-in-washington-no-one-is-talking-about/
Paul Sperry the opinion writer still obsessing over fast and furious....I believe Obama and holder are retired.....or have you forgotten that....Sad you think that anyone other than you cares.....idiot
and not a one from any liberal who can tell us why Clinton should not have been impeached
Because she was not POTUS......If the charges were real, which they are not....you might have a case....How many months of investigations did you assholes have with Nunes and Gowdy coming up with NOTHING<.....seems you have forgotten about your sides complete incompetence when they were in charges.....idiot..
Because she was not POTUS....
he's talking about bill, not hillary, you fucking imbecile.
Wake-N-Bake fatty
LMAO
he's talking about bill, not hillary, you fucking imbecile.
Rat..
The story even provided a picture for liberals. He still got it wrong.
lil Scotty posted: who can tell us why Clinton should not have been impeached, but Trump should?
rat posted: he's talking about bill, not hillary, you fucking imbecile.
Hey truthers and idiots......If he was talking about Bill......My recollection is that he was impeached...Now will someone please figure out what the fuck you are talking about ass breath!!!!!!
And our loser in blue ridge didn't drown....to fucking bad....BWAAAAA!!! Seems you are all lost your ability to post a cogent thought!!!!!!
And the asshattery of rudy, trumps lawyer runs completely amok....Says it was good the russians hacked hillary's emails....WOW!!!! Giving credibility to russian hacking US citizens is just like trump, nothing to worry about....He should be arrested for treasonous stupidity and fired!!!!
Rudy Giuliani, a lawyer for President Trump, suggested Sunday that the American people had a "right to know" about the private Democratic emails released during a state-sponsored hack by the Russian government aimed at bolstering Trump's 2016 election.
During an interview on "Meet the Press" days after special counsel Robert Mueller's partially redacted report was released, Giuliani said the American people were better off with an inside glimpse into Hillary Clinton's campaign operation — regardless of the source of the leak.
He compared the hacked information to the Pentagon Papers, which shed light on controversy surrounding the Vietnam War.
"They shouldn't have stolen it, but the American people were just given more information about how deceptive, how manipulative her campaign was," Giuliani said. "I wonder if there isn't an argument that the people had a right to know that about Hillary Clinton."
People like you believed that Hillary Clinton had murdered Deputy White House counsel Vincent W. Foster.
The difference between Clinton and Trump is quite simple.
He lied about about a blow job and other women. He lied under oath.
I find it rather amusing that you keep repeating that the economy is doing great and you can't remove a successful President. In Clinton's two terms, the economy created approximately 21 million jobs. You didn't accept the fact to quit trying to impeach President Clinton.
Trump has been damaging our Constitutional rights, checks and balances and the rule of law.
The two that bother me are his expanding executive power. I have always been wary of executive orders. But he has created a border crisis that, didn't exist. Illegal immigration from Mexico has been declining for years. Appealing to the racist feelings of much of his base, claiming they are all gangsters and murderers and rapists, to expand executive power should have bothered our formerly esteemed host.
The major reason why I support at least impeachment hearings, is the obvious obstruction of justice. He was not exonerated, a legal term. The Mueller investigators have enough evidence to indict him. But the Department of justice guidelines, make it almost impossible, or at least very difficult to indict the sitting President.
The Great Eight should get the unredacted version, and I think that we should be able to see the very lightly redacted report.
If the grand jury is still investigating other crimes, they might be redacted. But if the cases from the FISA warrants are complete, they should be available for public view.
You actually want an investigation into the investigation, and go back to the Clinton administration! Or at least into the Kenyan President administration.
Yes, this is much more important than the Clinton impeachment process.
Chris Wallace to some guy named Woodward about the Hillary paid for Steele B.S. fantasy doc.
"WOODWARD: And it should be. What I out recently, which was really quite surprising, the dossier, which really has got a lot of garbage in it and Mueller found that to be the case, early in building the intelligence community assessment on Russian interference in an early draft, they actually put the dossier on page two in kind of a breakout box. I think it was the CIA pushing this, real intelligence experts looked at this and said no, this is not intelligence, this is garbage and they took it out. But in this process, the idea that they would include something like that in one of the great stellar intelligence assessments as Mueller also found out is highly questionable. Needs to be investigated."
Wait, what, you mean to say that some of the intelligence community push pure garbage.
Self reflection.
Look in the mirror Scott.
Have you ever heard about hero worshipping? You have a mental disorder, caused by your inability to step back and look at yourself.
Alcoholics are not able to be honest with themselves. You are exhibiting symptoms of alcoholism, even if you don't drink to excess.
The two major things I have learned in my recovery, are self honesty and humility.
You obsessed over the Obama 57 state comment.
You arrogant behavior has been exonerated by the election of Donald Trump. We both have strong egos. But I'm not afraid to admit when I am wrong. You despised lies by any Democrat. You never ever call him out on his lies. Many you believe that he has ever lied.
I admitted that I am powerless over alcohol. And the rest of the 12 steps.
You should read about it.
When I differed with Obama, I said so.
You have NEVER criticized him for his lies and bigotry.
The two major things I have learned in my recovery, are self honesty and humility.
I think you skip that class much like you skipped history and civics.
Roger...
I am completely confused by your answer.
The only difference is that EVERYONE (including Clinton himself) knew that Clinton committed perjury, witness tampering, and obstruction. There was no legal question there. Clinton was also guilty (to the degree of $900,000 to Paula Jones) of the underlying issue.
I think we can all agree that sexual harassment is a serious issue regardless of the Clinton spin at the time.
Today, the Department of Justice, as well as most objective legal observers reject the 10 actions described in Mueller's report as being "obstruction". Trump did not lie under oath, there is no evidence that he instructed anyone to lie under oath, and to the degree that Mueller describes "obstruction" the general feel of his argument involved Trump making or telling others to make "public statements" (which are not statements under oath).
Meanwhile, Trump was considered to be not guilty of any of the underlying issues presented by the investigation.
So to Recap.
Clinton guilty of perjury, obstruction as well as the underlying issue of sexual harassment. You believe that CLINTON should not have been impeached.
Trump has not been declared guilty by Special Counsel of anything, and the Department of Justice has determined that the Special Counsel's suggestions were wrong on the facts of law, and also short of evidence (had they been right).
Trump was also not guilty of the underlying offense. But you believe TRUMP should be impeached.
The rest of your rant is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you think Clinton was a great or horrible President or if you think Trump is a great or horrible President. Your opinion of either man "as President" is irrelevant to whether or not they committed "high crimes or misdemeanors" while in office.
Honestly, Roger, why did the yard troll dump you?
You know since you are being honest.
I am completely confused by your answer.
I'm not surprised.
Menstra
I think you skip that class much like you skipped history and civics.
I got 4.0 in history and civics.
It's looking like the American people are starting to get sick and tired of this shit.
President Donald Trump suffered a three-point slump in his overall approval rating following the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report into election meddling, according to a Reuters/IPSOS poll released Friday.
The president’s favorability dropped to 37 percent.
*Russian intelligence targeted Hillary Clinton’s personal office five hours after Trump publicly requested it on July 27, 2016.
*Trump's personal attorney, Don McGahn, threatened to quit in the spring of 2017 after Trump urged him to "do crazy shit," like fire Mueller.
*White House communications director Hope Hicks wanted to disclose that Russians had offered Don Jr. information helpful to the campaign. But the president refused, explicitly ordering Hicks to issue a statement that covered up the true purpose of the Trump Tower meeting.
*Magically, Barr failed to include all of that in his March 24 press release.
Hillary gets cleared by FBI and Conservatives call for years of investigations
Trump gets [not exonerated] by Mueller and Conservatives yell 'he's EXONERATED, let's investigate Obama and Hillary"
I'm sorry but some of you may be clinically insane.
The closest we get to a hero in the sordid report — as opposed to Kenneth Starr’s lurid report — is the former White House counsel Don McGahn.
While Trump was a whirl of ignorance, vindictiveness and self-destruction, some advisers stopped him from going over the edge by ignoring his “crazy shit,” as McGahn called it. When Trump complained that McGahn was taking notes, unlike Roy Cohn, McGahn explained that “real” lawyers take notes.
The president called McGahn at home twice on June 17, 2017 — which happened to be the 45th anniversary of the Watergate burglary — to order injustice at Justice by telling Rod Rosenstein to fire Mueller. Trump was using a lame pretext of a conflict of interest involving the Trump golf club in Virginia where Mueller had once been a member.
“McGahn recalled the president telling him ‘Mueller has to go’ and ‘Call me back when you do it,’” the report stated.
The White House counsel knew to hit the brakes and shelve Trump’s demand. As the report noted: “McGahn was concerned about having any role in asking the acting attorney general to fire the special counsel because he had grown up in the Reagan era and wanted to be more like Judge Robert Bork and not ‘Saturday Night Massacre Bork.’”
The thuggish Don in the White House obviously regards McGahn as his Sammy the Bull rat, calling him a “lying bastard.” On Friday, the president tweeted, not so cryptically: “Watch out for people that take so-called ‘notes,’ when the notes never existed until needed,” and later tweeted that it was “finally time to turn the tables” on some of those who have crossed him.
Of course, McGahn, the shaggy-haired libertarian who plays guitar in an ’80s cover band, needed to put up with the volatile president long enough to fulfill his own agenda: cementing the conservative majority on the Supreme Court and salting lower federal courts with hard-right conservatives who are going to be around for decades.
McGahn did Trump two huge favors. He kept him from firing Mueller, which would have put a nail in the presidential coffin. And he delivered Trump’s greatest triumph on the right, conspiring with Mitch McConnell to fill the courts with socially conservative judges intent on undoing government regulation.
Ironically, Trump’s most lasting legacy was engineered by the same guy who shivved the president hardest in the Mueller report.
I invite you to follow me on Twitter (@MaureenDowd) and join me on Facebook.
...and to the degree that Mueller describes "obstruction" the general feel of his argument involved Trump making or telling others to make "public statements" (which are not statements under oath).
not to mention the fact that as president, trump possesses, and DID possess the constitutional authority to fire mueller at any point during the investigation. to do so would've been bad politically, but legally and constitutionally was well within his authority.
so perhaps the board drunkard can explain to us how you can criminally charge and/or file articles of impeachment against a president for exercising his legal authority AS president.
*Magically, Barr failed to include all of that in his March 24 press release.
stolen from a media matters hack writing at the daily kossucker...
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/4/21/1851538/-After-the-Barr-hoax-press-has-no-reason-to-ever-believe-Trump-team-again
how does david brock's dick taste, alky?
I got 4.0 in history and civics.
Yeah it shows. 🙄🙄
Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars
A battery pack for a Tesla Model 3 pollutes the climate with 11 to 15 tonnes of CO2. Each battery pack has a lifespan of approximately ten years and total mileage of 94,000, would mean 73 to 98 grams of CO2 per kilometer (116 to 156 grams of CO2 per mile), Buchal said. Add to this the CO2 emissions of the electricity from powerplants that power such vehicles, and the actual Tesla emissions could be between 156 to 180 grams of CO2 per kilometer (249 and 289 grams of CO2 per mile).
So liberal climate alarmists pushes a solution that actually puts more CO2 into the atmosphere than internal combustion engines.
And we should listen to them because?
That is devastating news.
Hillary gets cleared by FBI and Conservatives call for years of investigations
Actually Roger, Hillary has not been investigated since James Comey declared that "no reasonable prosecutor".
Some people understand how to let things go.
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