- There was no criminal conspiracy or coordination between Russians and the Trump campaign. This was stated in volume I and reinforced in volume II when Mueller stated that Trump was innocent of the underlying crime when referring to his intent.
- That due to difficult issues of fact and legal standards, that they could not conclude one way or the other if Trump committed obstruction.
None of that is different from what Barr said in his original summary letter or in his press conference, in spite of certain people trying to declare otherwise. Barr was open and honest about what he was going to do and followed through with a very readable report that everyone gets to read.
The reality is that because none of what is in Mueller's report is fundamentally new to anyone, there would be little reason for most people to change their opinion about the known facts. The caveat to this "should be" if you had been under the impression that the contacts between Trump campaign and various people associated with Russia were "criminal". Then one might expect that you would have changed your mind after reading the conclusions.
That being said, even with Robert Mueller and his team telling everyone that these meetings were not conspiracies or criminal, it will not prevent many Trump-haters who have had that idea stuck in their head (that it was illegal) from continuing to believe what they want to believe. Just listen to Adam Schiff rant for a few minutes, and you will see what I mean.
Moreover, even those issues that might be seen by the Schiffs of the world as some sort of nefarious collusion, did not specifically involve the President. Whether you are talking Manafort/Kislyak correspondances, Papadopoulos/Mifsud correspondances, or the Trump tower meeting, there is literally no evidence that President Trump himself was involved with any of that.
As far as the obstruction goes. Nothing in this report is going to change anyone's mind if they had a predetermined viewpoint. I promise you that not a single Republican in the House or Senate is going to vote for impeachment based on this report. It offers neither anything new, or any direct suggestion from Mueller that it was illegal.
Given that standard, and where Pelosi and Hoyer stand on the issue of impeachment, this report likely put the final nail in that particular coffin. Pelosi has offered impeachment would have to be bi-partisan for her to pursue it, and Hoyer is suggesting that we have an election in 18 months and that it would be best for Americans to decide.
Lastly, we are now going to fall into a phase of competing investigations. The IG report from Inspector Horowitz is due out within the next month, and I suspect that Congressional Democrats will continue to beat the dead Trump/Russia horse. If Barr stays true to his word, then he will be opening up criminal FBI investigations into any of the actions recommended by the Inspector General (which he is pretty much obligated to do). This will compete for political air with the Nadler led Congressional inquiries.
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He will be indicted the second his term ends.....No impeachment unless the right pulls their collective heads out of trumps ass.....Many FBI agents applauded the Comey firing....Sarah the whale Sanders lied to the world....you assholes don't give a shit.....Sad the imperial presidency is being proved go be everything that it was speculated and her slip of the tongue is Pure BULLSHIT!!!!
es, lied to congress multiple times
From the other thread....and you find Sarah's BS is fine.....Has hillary been indicted????? Assholes....
He will be indicted the second his term ends
There will be indictments, just not the people you think.
Do you trumpista's actually think the Mueller report absolve trump from anything other than criminal conspiracy but showed much unseemly behavior by his staff accepting russian stolen documents and help.....I know honesty is not in any of your make ups.....but try it once.....LOLOLOLOL
Denny
The job of Mueller was to determine exactly who was right and who was wrong.
You, and others of your ilk, demanded that Mueller would find all sorts of things that we didn't know, and conclude quite adamately that the things we did know rose to the level of criminal. More than once, you demanded that Mueller would frog march the Trump family out of the White House in cuffs.
Others, like myself, suggested that the whole idea of Russian collusion was a half baked conspiracy made up as an excuse for why Hillary lost the election. The commission of of Special Counsel was a waste of time, as Mueller would find nothing criminal dealing with collusion, and that he would find (because he is not stupid like you) that what we knew was not criminal either.
You were wrong and we were right.
As it were, the entire Report was written to smear the President with innuendo, the repeating of unproven allegations, and a theory about obstruction so far out in left field that both the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General disagreed (as a matter of law) whether or not any of the 10 items examine could even be considered obstruction.
(I mean seriously, in what sane world is it criminal obstruction that the President didn't want certain information released to the media?)
You were duped plain and simple.
I was not.
Joe Biden will announce Wednesday he is Running For President .
Mueller is now an "idiot" according to trollboy Dennis
You were duped plain and simple.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! That is hilarious lil trump slurper...!!!!!!
IOW's in your simple mind....trump gets away with everything.....sad you think thet way.....
ld Trump’s corner, but former New Jersey governor Chris Christie isn’t joining the president in calling the Mueller’s probe investigation into Russian election meddling a hoax -- or characterizing the report as a knockout victory for the Trump administration.
“It was not a hoax,” Christie, an ABC News contributor, told the ABC News podcast, "The Investigation".
“It is a good day for the president because whenever you're investigated for a crime and you're not charged, it's a good day,” Christie continued. “There are still many challenges that this report is going to present for the president going forward, from Congress and from the other 14 investigations that are going on at U.S. attorney's offices around the country."
While Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his team ultimately did not establish that members of the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government’s attempts to meddle in the 2016 election, Christie disagreed with President Trump’s often repeated claim that the probe was a “witch hunt.”
He added that the report contained information that necessitated a counterintelligence investigation into Russian election interference, saying, “The depth and breadth of the Russian efforts to me was really chilling.”
PHOTO: President Donald Trump waves as he walks to board Air Force One at Joint Base Andrews as he heads to spend Easter weekend at his Mar-a-Lago club, in Maryland, April 18, 2019. (Al Drago/Reuters)
(MORE: Highlights of Trump's written answers to special counsel Robert Mueller's questions)
Despite finding that there was not sufficient evidence to charge any Trump campaign official of acting as an unregistered agent of Russia, the report asserts that Mueller’s investigation identified “numerous links” between individuals with ties to Russia and people orbiting Trump during the lead up to the election.
Which FBI agent or agents will run the Black Bag operation into Biden's Campaign.
Despite finding that there was not sufficient evidence to charge any Trump campaign official of acting as an unregistered agent of Russia, the report asserts that Mueller’s investigation identified “numerous links” between individuals with ties to Russia and people orbiting Trump during the lead up to the election.
The only thing your were correct about was they couldn't find enough for it to be criminal....However, you thinking being correct just proves the depth of your mental illness and ignores what mueller has published...sorry sport, the loser i is you and the entire country accepting this abhorrent behavior......LOLOLOO
Funny.....Barr claimed trump cooperated with Mueller....Mueller stated in his report trumps answers were wanting.....Let me guess who you believe, Lil Scotty since you think the easter bunny will be good to you this year!!!!!
@julie_kelly2
The lies by omission in the Mueller dossier far outweigh any “lie” by Hope Hicks or Sarah Sanders. Great Qs by @KimStrassel. “How do you narrate an entire section on the Trump Tower meeting without noting that Veselnitskaya was working alongside Fusion?”
Denny
The very first piece of establishing a conspiracy that starts at the White House and leads to the Russian government (or the Russian election meddlers) is to establish that there was someone from the Trump campaign that was working with the Russians. A go between so to speak.
The idea that Americans talking to Russians is criminal is just something that the media created to perpetrate the collusion conspiracy. Where would they have been if they were not able to continuously demand that every contact between someone remotely related to the Trump campaign and someone who even sounded Russian was more evidence of collusion. Where would they be without the continuous rhetoric that these Russians had some vague "ties to the Kremlin" that were generally a seven degrees of separation puzzle.
The truth is that Mueller couldn't find anyone that fit that bill. According to his report, they looked at Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, and Paul Manafort. But where Mueller came up short was this pesky thing called "evidence" that suggested that any of them were actually working with the Russians to any actual capacity.
Either way, Page was long gone from the Trump campaign by the time the second FISA warrant was signed. Papadopoulos's brush with British intelligence (masquerading as Russian intelligence) was while he was "awaiting" his new job for Trump. Manafort was a temporary player in the Trump team, who came way to late to have been involved in any of this.
So the reality here, Denny... is that there simply was no evidence that they could find that even established the "possibility" that there was a conspiracy. They couldn't find the most necessary and generally the most obvious link to even start down that road.
That is how far the canyon reached between what you believed (conspiracy) and what existed (nothing).
@paulsperry_
Mueller Report reveals it could find no documentary or other evidence indicating Papadopoulos shared Mifsud's claim that Russia had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton in the form of emails with any other Trump campaign official -- the alleged predicate for opening investigation
@Feisty_FL
If Trump deleted emails after subpoena, destroyed cellular phones with hammers, bleached hard drives & Melania met secretly with Mueller on a plane, that would be obstruction of justice with intent! If you want to #ImpeachTrump and you voted for Crooked Hillary, you’re insane.
Denny.... is that there simply was no evidence that they could find that even established the "possibility" that there was a conspiracy.
Did I say there was no possible evidence;.....??? I believe my statement mueller stated there was not enough evidence for criminal conspiracy with the report providing numerous questionable contacts......Connecting the dots even a blind man like you can see.....they welcomed russian help as evidenced by trump asking for the hillary lost e mails......sad how stupidly blind you are little scotty...
Anonymous Paul Sperry said...
@paulsperry_
Anonymous Feisty ☀️ Floridian said...
@Feisty_FL
Unknown thinks these posts are a complete waste of band width ....Like Lil Scotty and no evidence of conspiracy.....you need to pull your head out of trumps old fat white ass.....BWAAAAAAAA
Sad Lil Scotty.....all that brain power overtaken by the Trump worm that is eating what's left of your brain....Nothing there right??? Why did they all lie about the contacts....and business dealings???? The truth is the russians interfered and you are just fine with that because of the outcome....sad how unpatriotic you have become.....
Just saw a great hat that I need to purchase ....
NOT TRUMP on a maroon hat......
By Nathan Layne and Mark Hosenball
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Special Counsel Robert Mueller may not have found evidence of a criminal conspiracy between Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia, but his report details extensive contacts between the campaign and Russian operatives who sought to influence the election.
Mueller said in his report released on Thursday that he found "numerous links" and that the Trump campaign "expected it would benefit" from Russia's effort to tilt the ballot in Trump's favor.
Ultimately, Mueller determined the various contacts either didn't amount to criminal behavior or would be difficult to prove in court, even if people in Trump's orbit sometimes displayed a willingness to accept Russian help, the report showed.
Trump and his allies, who derided the Mueller probe as a political "witch hunt", portrayed the report as vindication. "No collusion. No obstruction. For all the haters and the radical left Democrats, game over," Trump tweeted on Thursday.
"The bottom line is the president is exonerated and the campaign is exonerated of collusion," said Michael Caputo, a former adviser to Trump's campaign.
Some legal experts and political strategists were more circumspect, saying the report confirmed the Russian government was attempting to help Trump with the election.
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Unknown thinks these posts are a complete waste of band width.
Then they fit in very nicely with your posts which definitely are.
but of course these actually are way above anything you post, not that you are even capable of understanding. Keep blathering, obsessing and looking like an idiot. You will prove it again many times today as always.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Another successful troll of the fucking coward to once again
show the world that he is a worthless piece of shit,
just like trump barr and the goat fucking idiot...
]BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
yeah.....nothing found about russian contacts.....BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
"I think that's a pretty extraordinary finding of historical significance, whether or not there's a crime," said Matthew Jacobs, a former federal prosecutor who is now a San Francisco-based lawyer.
Many of the contacts in the report were already known. They included former national security adviser Michael Flynn's conversations in late 2016 with Sergei Kislyak, Russia ambassador at the time, and former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's interactions with Konstantin Kilimnik, a political consultant who the FBI has determined has ties to Russian intelligence.
But the report contained fresh details on the range of official and unofficial dealings Trump campaign advisers and supporters had with Russians before and after the 2016 election.
And our little scotty slurper extrodinaire thinks this is acceptable behavior!!!! Wonder why an old white guy from Minnesota can be so naive and obstinate !!!
Denny....
Cut and paste the opinions of sore losers all you want. Continue to act as if Americans talking to Russians is somehow "illegal" because boy oh boy, that makes you look smart!
Remember, even yesterday you were arguing that the Mueller report would expose Trump campaign people as being involved (at least unwittingly) in Election meddling.
The reality is the same.
- Mueller failed to find ANYTHING important that everyone didn't already know.
- He failed to establish even ONE SINGLE AMERICAN who he could accuse of acting on behalf of the Russians.
- He failed to establish any connections of ANY AMERICANS to ANY of the election meddling WHAT-SO-EVER.
This isn't a matter of semantics or proportion, this is an absolute 100% failure on his part to provide even the smallest amount of evidence that ANY AMERICAN colluded or conspired with ANY RUSSIAN regarding ANYTHING to do with the election meddling.
A 100% absolute failure on his part to find any underlying crime in the main scope of his investigation, a fact he states himself in both Volume one and Volume two of his report.
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Statements are made about me by certain people in the Crazy Mueller Report, in itself written by 18 Angry Democrat Trump Haters, which are fabricated & totally untrue. Watch out for people that take so-called “notes,” when the notes never existed until needed. Because I never....
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
...agreed to testify, it was not necessary for me to respond to statements made in the “Report” about me, some of which are total bullshit & only given to make the other person look good (or me to look bad). This was an Illegally Started Hoax that never should have happened, a...
Denny....
Cut and paste the opinions of sore losers all you want
Those are not opinions asshole...they reflect reporting on the barr report....You are the one who has problems accepting the fact is that trump and minions were communicating with russia which is duly noted in the mueller report...You are the one who is providing opinions that have the credibility of sarah the fat ass and he hundreds of agents approving the comey firing....You really are amusing and dense as a box of rocks....!!!!
Well Rog...
Glad to see you finally agree with Trump that the Crazy Mueller Report was a hack job!
Yes Denny...
We were all fully aware that our incoming NSA talked to a Russian Ambassador in the official capacity related to his position.
You do realize that the actual job of an Ambassador is to interact with foreign governments? That a member of the Administration is free to talk to foreign Ambassadors at any time... and that it's perfectly normal?
We are also all aware of the fact that Paul Manafort (who was a political consultant for politicians within the Ukrainian Government) talked to Kilimnik, who was also a political consultant with ties to both Russia and Ukraine?
There is nothing illegal about two political consultants talking. In fact it is perfectly normal. It's also perfectly normal for many political consultants to have had a history in Government. That doesn't make them double agents, professional spies, or anything else.
What you will notice is that both of these perfectly legal and perfectly normal interactions between people were not determined by Special Counsel to have been part of anything having to do with Election meddling by the Russians. Nor did Special Counsel determine that any of these conversations led them to believe that the person in question was acting on behalf of Russia (or any other foreign entity).
The fact that they even investigated these things as possibly criminal is sort of silly in the first place, and exactly why this entire thing has been pretty much established at this point to be an exercise in futility and stupidity.
After harassing Sarah Sanders, Stephanopoulous was pushing Nadler to open impeachment proceedings.
What media bias?
Verified account
@GeraldoRivera
Democrats & media tortured @realDonaldTrump, haunting his presidency, stalking him relentlessly, obsessing over every tidbit except those that tended to exonerate him. This was a hoax. Stories that implied collusion were fake news. Whole fiasco was a witch hunt based on bullshit.
@PoliticalShort
From 10/23/17 court filing by HPSCI, “at least 3 of the individuals who attended meeting with Trump, Jr. at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016 –Akhmetshin, Veselnitskaya, & Samochornov – also have ties to Fusion GPS dating to at least 2015.” https://www.scribd.com/document/362447944/Declaration-of-Mark-Stewart-General-Counsel-for-HPSCI-responding-to-Fusion-GPS …
This must be in the Mueller report, right ?
@seanmdav
I think my favorite part of Mueller's obstruction case is where he says Trump telling Comey to investigate whether the Steele dossier was true was obstruction, and not the corrupt cop who signed a false FISA warrant citing the garbage dossier refusing to investigate its veracity.
Anyone want to slip Chucklebee the tongue after her most recent lie and cover up....sure would be a step up for
goat fuckers like the KD loser.....BWAAAA!!!!!
We were all fully aware that our incoming NSA talked to a Russian Ambassador
And so did everyone else....lil scotty.....Tell me how that is relevant other than it gives you another excuse to slurp on trumps old fat white ass you do with such gusto???? Elucidate why all those ass holes lied about with some going to jail for lying???? Oh I forgot, its only a process crime to lie to the american people like you......BWAAAAAA!!!!!!
Funny, lil Scotty feels this is just coincidence like all the other contacts we KNEW about...it is sad he is soooooooo gullible and easily manipulated!!!!
Mueller also documented an instance in which Trump’s public comments closely coincided with a Russian intelligence agency’s moves to hack Clinton’s emails.
"On July 27, 2016, Unit 26165 [of Russia’s GRU, an intelligence agency] targeted email accounts connected to candidate Clinton’s personal office ... Earlier that day, candidate Trump made public statements that included the following: ‘Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.’ The ’30,000 emails’ were apparently a reference to emails described in media accounts as having been stored on a personal server that candidate Clinton had used while serving as Secretary of State.
“Within approximately five hours of Trump’s statement, GRU officers targeted for the first time Clinton’s personal office. After candidate Trump’s remarks, Unit 26165 created and sent malicious links targeting 15 email accounts ... including an email account belonging to Clinton aide [name redacted]. The investigation did not find evidence of earlier GRU attempts to compromise accounts hosted on this domain. It is unclear how the GRU was able to identify these email accounts, which were not public.”
The Mueller report shows that the Russian hacking and cyber-propaganda push coincided with a series of contacts between Trump campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government. However, the report also says: “We understood coordination to require an agreement—tacit or express—between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other’s actions or interests.”
Well Denny,
I did find all of that interesting, but for different reasons.
You see, neither Mueller or anyone on his staff ever got to actually do any research into Hillary's personal email server. In fact the FBI subpoenaed Clinton's email server, but she refused to turn if over. By the time the FBI came to seize the server, she had everything wiped to bare bones, and authorities suggested that nothing was recoverable.
So what Mueller is reporting cannot possibly be verified or could have been verified by anyone on Mueller's staff. Rather they are taking the word of Clinton and the company hired by Clinton to do their own investigation into the hacking. I have issues taking Clinton and her team at their word on that particular subject.
In this case the "work product" is redacted, but we all know that the company "Crowdstrike" was responsible for the information provided to Special Counsel.
So legally... none of that would even be considered relevant or admissible in a court of law, since it would constitute third party research with no means for anyone (including the FBI) to verify or to provide an opportunity for defense to research to draw their own conclusions.
You probably don't recall, and will deny it if you do, that I argued this exact same thing - and regardless of the fading Dershowitz and the washed-up ex-constitutional scholar who you relied on, I was right on target:
"With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President’s corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice. ...
“The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law.”
So consider this my victory lap. Mueller laid out the case for obstruction, does not charge because guidelines say that he cannot, and states in no uncertain terms that Congress has the power to decide this. Even in the case where Trump's action is within his constitutional authority (sorry McCarthy but you got it wrong), corrupt intent means that it's illegal and Congress - and post-term prosecutors - can charge him with obstruction.
As for impeachment, there are plenty of grounds for impeachment here (about 11 incidents for a strong case of obstruction). In a perfect world, that would already be happening and the odds are that the criminal would be removed from office for his obvious crimes. However, I don't think that will happen. The Democrats - mainly Pelosi - had already predicated impeachment proceedings on Mueller's recommendations and in so doing boxed themselves in. Bottom line is, Mueller did not charge Trump with any crimes therefore she will not seek to charge Trump by impeachment proceedings. It's that simple. What that means for 2020 is open for debate.
Trump's guilt is fairly obviously outlined in the report, but his base just as obviously won't see it that way. In that sense, it changes nothing. We see evidence of crimes, you think it "exonerates" Trump - I don't see how that is any different than from before the report. But rest assured, there are going to be public hearings and investigations will continue for the duration. It's never going away, and America is not ever going to accept Barr/Trump's version of the conclusions.
I did find all of that interesting, but for different reasons.
Because you have your head stuffed up trumps old white fat ass????? You really must enjoy the view and aroma which I find hysterical....
Which is relevant why:???? Because you think so???? BWAAAAA!
By the time the FBI came to seize the server, she had everything wiped to bare bones, and authorities suggested that nothing was recoverable.
Which proves you can't differentiate the egregious acts of trump with reality.....
Thanx again for conflating trumps BS with a subject with no relevance to the mueller report.....Asshole
So what Mueller is reporting cannot possibly be verified or could have been verified by anyone on Mueller's staff
Now Lil Scotty, that is the most amusing and absurd POS you have ever opined.... along with "
"In this case the "work product" is redacted, but we all know that the company "Crowdstrike"
Amazing how you know the content of a redacted section....you must either be a seer, or clairvoyant or seeing things.....Too funny!!!
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