Monday, May 27, 2019

The Times need to go back to American Government 101

Potential Clash Over Secrets Looms Between Justice Dept. and C.I.A.
President Trump’s order allowing Attorney General William P. Barr to declassify any intelligence that led to the Russia investigation sets up a potential confrontation with the C.I.A. It effectively strips the agency of its most critical power: choosing which secrets it shares and which ones remain hidden.

The ultimate power to declassify any information resides with the President of the United States. It always has and it didn't change because the bad orange man is President. The CIA has never had exclusive power to keep secrets hidden, nor should they ever have exclusive power to keep secrets hidden. All that would do is provide for the opportunity to hide any or all misdeeds and other embarrassing actions.


Moreover, for all the powers that the CIA is given to help aid our Country, what information regarding old investigations to keep secret probably falls down the list into the second tier of thing that are really, really important for the CIA to do the job. We are not talking about outing someone undercover, or exposing a dangerous foreign mission here.

We are wanting to see (retroactively) what part the CIA played in the investigation into the President's campaign during the 2016 election. Given John Brennan's open partisanship and hatred of the President since leaving his post as Director of the CIA, it makes understanding what part Brennan and his organization played in this a valid question.

At the end of the day, the post election behavior of Brennan, Clapper, Comey, and McCabe since Trump has become President has probably caused much of this. Had these nincompoops laid low, kept a lid on their opinions, and drifted off into the sunset like most former cabinet officials and directors, then perhaps some of this could have been avoided.

But these former officials decided to write books, do tours, go on television, and state openly that they believe the President was going to be indicted, was a criminal, and acted treasonously. It's hard to believe that this sort of raw anger and aggression was not a part of their motives for investigating Trump in the first place, and it's not hard to believe that such emotions would either cause blind spots and/or prompt corrupt decision making.

The reality is that there is nothing dignified or decent about the post-election actions of the four stooges. In many ways, they can be held personally accountable for any and all investigations into the activities of the departments that they ran, and they certainly are going to be held personally responsible for any and all damage caused by what is found.

20 comments:

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Seig Heil Mr. TRUMP

C.H. Truth said...

Hey Rog...

Happy Memorial Day! Remember all the sacrifices and then lighten up a little!

anonymous said...

We are wanting to see (retroactively) what part the CIA played in the investigation into the President's campaign during the 2016 election


Like the benghazi idiocy.....the we are wanting is just another excuse to try and defang the mueller probe.....nothing else....If you think with your minions anything but cherry picked BS will emanate from Barrs fat white ass you are sadly delusional as usual.....The fisa crap was all approved by R appointed judges so again you are trying to disparage the judiciary to further trumps power.....Next stop....women and gays losing rights....then you....so sad Lil Scotty you can't see the forest through the trees....LOLOLOLOL BTW practice what you preach and lighten up on the bullshit posts....!!!!

C.H. Truth said...

The fisa crap was all approved by R appointed judges

The FBI told the FISA courts that the information in the dossier was verified, and they told the FISA courts that it was corroborated by other sources. It was neither verified or corroborated by other sources. They failed to mention specifically who paid for it, and that the source had been fired.


That would appear to be a lie. If anyone lied in an application to a FISA judge it would be a criminal action.

anonymous said...

The FBI told the FISA courts that the information in the dossier was very
That statement is complete unadulterated BULLSHIT!!!! Has your moral compass become so contaminated that lies are the biggest part of your posts now??????? You have less an idea of what was told the courts than your position on GW or the redacted parts of mueller report....IOW"S Lil Scotty.....you have absolutely nothing to corroborate your lie and BS.....The only criminal action is being perpetrated by Individual 1 who you defend in spite of being completely wrong,,,,,,,LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

People died to protect your country and family from authoritarian governments and the Communist movement that threatened our democracy.

Your President, if we do not stop him, he will destroy everything they faught and died for.

C.H. Truth said...

That statement is complete unadulterated BULLSHIT!!!

The FISA warrant was made a matter of public interest and released by Congress well over a year ago. Go back and read it for yourself.

C.H. Truth said...

People died to protect your country and family from authoritarian governments and the Communist movement that threatened our democracy.

And in 2016 the people in authority decided to protect our Country by using a disinformation dossier paid for by the Party in power from a guy citing unnamed and unconfirmed sources... as an excuse to stare multiple investigates of the opposition Party President campaign.

Then after leaving power, many of these same people wrote books, went on promotional tours, went on national cable news and called accused the President of the United states of committing treason and other crimes... based on the same unverified sources that they used to trigger these investigations.

Four investigation that all together found zero evidence of any illegal activity, any conspiracy with the enemy, any aiding and abetting of the enemy, or any coordination what-so-ever.

That is simply a fact. No opinion. No hyperbole. Just a fact.

Does someone like Roger support such behavior from our leadership?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You believe that the investigation into the Russian intervention into the election was not really why it was initiated.

I think that your conspiracy theories have zero credibility, because you have lost the ability to be the Coldheartedtruth.

Trump has Never said that the Russians hacked into the election, because Putin told him so.

Whether the fact that many people speculated that the President was in collusion, is irrelevant because it is the freedom of the press and speech.

The fact that they didn't find enough evidence to press charges is how the system works.

What we have seen, is that there is credible evidence of obstruction of justice. Because Mueller believes that the President can not be indicted, means that the Congress, under the Constitution can check the executive branch.

Trump is possibly obstructing justice by denying the subpoenas requested by the committee, delegated the authority to do its job!

Throughout history the courts have enforced the subpoenas. I think that he will defy the court order, and you will support him, because you don't care about the expansion of executive action, because he is a Republican.

He has lied more often than any other President in history.


Does someone like Scott support such behavior from our leadership?

You have from day one, and the lie about the crowd size, ignoring them, for reasons I don't understand. Unless you have lost your mind.

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Anonymous said...

Hi Roger how is your bum kankles that kept you from serving?

4F

Anonymous said...

Roger is back on this :"Your President".

Never except the election results.🤣

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Anonymous said...

Joe White no show on Memorial Day.

Shameful , but what could I expect from the party of "America has never been Great".

C.H. Truth said...

Roger

We have had four investigations and saw 95% of the FICA application in the Congressional investigation release.

There literally is no other known reason for the FBI to have started the investigation.

They can claim George Papadopoulos, but here are the facts

- Papadopoulos was low level Trump campaign aid, just moved over from Ben Carson campaign.

- He was provided information from a London professor regarding Russian dirt.

- He passed that information along to a Australian diplomat.

- Which is to say that Papadopoulos never actually talked to any Russians, never actually had any real information on any real dirt.

- The FBI started their investigation in the summer of 2016. They never talked to Papadopoulos until January of 2017.


If the FBI really believe that the tip from the Australian was the reason to start an investigation, the very first thing they would have done is either talked to Papadopoulos or put him under surveillance. They did neither.

They put Carter Page under surveillance.

Carter Page was mentioned as a possible agent... wait for it... from the Steele Dossier.


So... I have to ask a serious question. Does anyone "actually" buy the Comey/McCabe load of crap on this one?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It was a coup.

You actually have that those two dedicated Americans, schemed to get Trump.

Lots of circumstantial information, that once again, tried to get Trump. Not investigate the Russian government intervention, that Trump said, did not happen!

I don't believe that they actually tried to get Trump. That's their one and only motive, in your opinion. I believe that they followed the evidence not destroy Donald Trump.

They started it after the Gold Tower meeting. The summer of 2016. But they went deeper into the investigation after Popodopolis meeting as well.

You seriously believe it was a coup de ta sp.

Anonymous said...



What we have seen, is that there is credible evidence of obstruction of justice.

in plain sight according to adam schitt.

the funny thing about that "credible evidence of obstruction of justice" is that whenever anyone who makes or parrots that claim are pressed for details, they never have any. perhaps that's the reason for the reluctance to impeach. in an impeachment trial the accusers will be pressed for details. empty criticisms and gross generalizations that "orange man bad" just won't cut it.

in fact, these are often the same people who tell me that the pelosi video was doctored, when everyone who ever watches the feckless old cunt with any regularity witnesses her having several mini-strokes or synapse mis-firings during every public appearance. the video wasn't doctored. that was just nancy palsi in all her blubbering, babbling glory.

you think she's on the sauce alky? she could be on the sauce. just sayin'.


“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”

― Ronald Reagan


look alky, you're entitled to your delusions. just don't expect any sane and rational person to believe in them.

mail order bailed for a reason, alky.


Commonsense said...

Roger logic: We have to overthrow democracy in order to save it from the bad orange man.

Anonymous said...




Your President, if we do not stop him, he will destroy everything they faught and died for.


so beat him, alky. win the next election.

that's how you stop him. not by pulling a coup.


oh, and by the way...

our representative republic is not in crisis. we have no 'constitutional crisis' on our hands.

on saturday, while you were marinating in your stew of irrational trump hatred i was planting flags on the graves of fallen veterans at the national cemetery in saratoga. i was surrounded by patriots humbled at the prospect of giving a little of their time to honor those who, unlike you, HAVE made a sacrifice on behalf of our great nation.

i witnessed men and women display simple acts of kindness to one another, and to those resting in the graves around us.

trump's no threat to us alky. liberalism is.

shitstains like brennan, comey, yates and mccabe. putrid pieces of shit like tlaib, omar and nadler.

those are some of the threats our great nation faces alky. not trump.

C.H. Truth said...

You actually have that those two dedicated Americans, schemed to get Trump.

The only thing they have been dedicated to since leaving their posts, as been a dedication to attack the President.

So either you believe that Trump won the election and should be left alone to do his job... Or you are still hanging onto the idea that he isn't a legitimate President and that it's up to the Brenners, Comeys, and McCabes (Judges, politicians, etc) to be part of the "resistance".

If you are part of the "resistance" to the duly elected President, and his duly appointed Administration, then you are hardly showing a dedication to your Country.

You are showing a dedication to your own partisanship at the expense of the country.


Otherwise you admit that somehow the resistance to Trump being President is a "good thing" - which by nature and definition, you would support whatever means possible to remove him as soon as you can (be it impeachment, 25th amendment, etc)...

and if you "admit" to being part of this resistance, then yes Roger. You are advocating a coup.