Thursday, June 27, 2019

SCOTUS - cannot use Citizenship Question (for now)

Supreme Court: No census citizenship question for now, need clarified agency explanation
In a complicated ruling, the Supreme Court substantially upheld the inclusion of a census question regarding citizenship, but procedurally held that more inquiry was needed into C0mmerce Dept. reasoning in seeking to add the question.
In Convoluted Ruling, SCOTUS Blocks Citizenship Question On Census
This is very complicated and I’m not going to try to describe in detail every aspect of the decision. There were multiple parts to this and multiple votes on those parts. The short of it is that SCOTUS ruled that the question itself is constitutional and does not violate the Census Act, but they also ruled that the Commerce Department did not give a sufficient explanation during judicial review, thereby they can’t use the question.
Or was it remanded back to the lower court as some are suggesting?

Okay, right back to where we started.  We had a portion of this 5-4 with Roberts with the liberals on another part, and 5-4 with Roberts with the other conservatives on another part, While it was 7-0 in terms of whether or not the question was legally valid.

But as the dissent suggests, the court did not just want to decide the legal issue (7-0). They waded into more uncharted legal areas which is where they split multiple times.

According to some legal analysts, this is not so much a hard decision, as it is a delay. There may (or may not) be enough time for the Commerce Department to give a better explanation or there may not be a better decision available.

 It seems ironic that they determine "not" to wade into the Gerrymandering cases (due to lack of jurisdiction). But decide to wade into this one (which isn't legally a partisan issue). This seems to be a challenge to the idea that courts only overrule legislative or executive decisions when those decisions are "arbitrary".

From one of the dissents:
In March 2018, the Secretary of Commerce exercised his broad discretion over the administration of the decennial census to resume a nearly unbroken practice of asking a question relating to citizenship. Our only role in this case is to decide whether the Secretary complied with the law and gave a reasoned explanation for his decision. The Court correctly answers these questions in the affirmative. Ante, at 11–23. That ought to end our inquiry.
The Court, however, goes further. For the first time ever, the Court invalidates an agency action solely because it questions the sincerity of the agency’s otherwise adequate rationale….
The Court’s holding reflects an unprecedented departure from our deferential review of discretionary agency decisions. And, if taken seriously as a rule of decision, this holding would transform administrative law. It is not difficult for political opponents of executive actions to generate controversy with accusations of pretext, deceit, and illicit motives.
What's clear as mud here is that nobody really knows what the $%^* this ruling means. This has been an unfortunate staple of the "Roberts Court". Whenever Roberts decides to break with the conservatives on some highly political issue, it takes about 500 pages, and legal acrobatics to defend what he is doing. That almost always means a murky (if not outright incorrect) legal finding.

24 comments:

Commonsense said...

This is such a strange and dangerous ruling that greatly infringes on congressional and administrative actions.

After conceding that the question was constitutional and legal, they remanded it back to lower courts because the commerce department's explanation was not adequate.

Now the court is saying that congress and the administration must now justly their decisions to a Federal Court?

The wheels of government will grind to a halt if that is the case.

C.H. Truth said...

Actually they accept that there is adequate reasoning. But they are stating (as the dissent determines) that they question the "motives" behind the reasoning.

Which is "worse". Now the classic Arbitrary could mean a Judge could just say... "I don't believe you".

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that the Trump administration failed to provide an adequate justification for adding a controversial question about US citizenship to the 2020 census. The ruling sends the case back to a district court in New York for further proceedings about the administration’s rationale for adding the question, leaving the fate of the question up in the air. For now, it’s off the 2020 census form.

The census is constitutionally mandated to count every person in America, but civil rights groups say the citizenship question will deter immigrants from responding out of fear that the administration will use their citizenship information to initiate deportation proceedings against them. A large undercount of immigrant communities will shift economic and political power to areas that are whiter and more conservative. The stakes are huge: The census determines how $880 billion in federal funding is allocated, how much representation states receive, and how political districts are drawn.


But they ruled that gerrymandering is legal.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Redstate

Good grief

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

If this stands until the next census you are going to be pissed off by the fact that the majority actually matters.

@DonaldTrump said...

As best as I can tell, John Roberts was a defector once again.

Hang the traitor!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

As we are a nation of states. The state elections are going to get more important in regards to gerrymandering.

But the decision on citizenship is going to give the more populated states in the electoral college system. The millions of non citizens in states like California will get more electoral college votes. Like it or not we may not see anymore minority popular vote Presidents.

The last two were disastrous.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Two Republican senators have split from their colleagues in calling for Donald Trump’s alleged rape of the author E. Jean Carroll to be investigated.

Commonsense said...

California and New York are projected to lose seats on the next census.

Commonsense said...

Obviously they haven't seen her interviews.

caliphate4vr said...

Two Republican senators have split from their colleagues in calling for Donald Trump’s alleged rape of the author E. Jean Carroll to be investigated.

Send them the script from Law and Order SVU and the investigation is done

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

“Watching that image of Oscar and his daughter Valeria was heartbreaking,” said former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro. “It should also piss us all off.”

The former San Antonio mayor was unequivocal that Trump administration policy forcing asylum-seekers to wait on the Mexican side of the border for weeks, even months, resulted in these horrific deaths. “This metering policy is what basically prompted Oscar and Valeria to make that risky swim across the river,” he said. “Oscar and Valeria went to a port of entry, and then they were denied an ability to make an asylum claim. So they got frustrated, and they tried to cross the river, and they died because of that.”

He didn't support open borders.

Commonsense said...

Yes Castro why did you allow it to happen?

Commonsense said...

The house just recessed without voting on the bi-partisan senate bill to fund ICE.

Guess we know where all the hypocrite Democrat priorities lie.

Anonymous said...

Yes we do.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger

Explain the logic to me.

- You complain if there is any attempt to stop them from coming
- You complain if they are stopped at the border and have to stay in Mexico
- You complain if they are allowed to cross the border and detained

But you are not for "open borders".

So what exactly is the process here other than not attempt to stop anyone from coming, let them across the border when they get here, and do not detain anyone.

I hate to tell you this Roger... but that is the very definition of open border policy.

caliphate4vr said...

he hasn't answered when it moved from an orangeman manufactured crisis to a real one.

Roger is dishonest to his core like the rest of the left

C.H. Truth said...

Actually let's clarify this further...

Roger will

- complain if there is any attempt to stop them from coming
- complain if they are stopped at the border and have to stay in Mexico
- complain if they are allowed to cross the border and detained
- complain if they are arrested because they were released and didn't show up for their hearing

Quite literally, there can be no other way to describe the argument other than to say that everyone who wants in the country and makes it to our Southern Border should be let in and made pseudo-citizens immediately. No questions asked.

anonymous said...

Orange man screaming like a stuck pig because he did not get his way.....bet he tries to write an executive order to change the census date mandated by the constitution....he's a bigger baby than you, Lil scotty!!!!!


By John Wagner and
Deanna Paul June 27 at 3:19 PM
President Trump said Thursday that he is seeking to delay the constitutionally mandated census to give administration officials time to come up with a better explanation for why it should include a citizenship question.

Trump’s announcement, in tweets sent from Japan, came hours after the Supreme Court put on hold his administration’s plan to add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, saying it had provided a “contrived” reason for wanting the information.

“Seems totally ridiculous that our government, and indeed Country, cannot ask a basic question of Citizenship in a very expensive, detailed and important Census, in this case for 2020,” Trump wrote in his tweet. “I have asked the lawyers if they can delay the Census, no matter how long, until the United States Supreme Court is given additional information from which it can make a final and decisive decision on this very critical matter.”

anonymous said...

This asshole looks like a blown up bagpipe.....Proving for once and for all he is just a bag of hot wind!!!



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anonymous said...

Yeah the wall would have stopped this mega ton bust from getting through....and the slurping quickens!!!!!

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Anonymous said...

President Trump used Tarrifs to get the Mexico Government to slow the flow to the US.

The Socialist last night repeatedly stated there support for open Borders.

Commonsense said...

There no magic date in the Constitution to start the census. Anytime in 2020 will do.

anonymous said...


There no magic date in the Constitution to start the census


Your opinion is once again duly ignored.......asshole...



President Trump used Tarrifs to get the Mexico Government to slow the flow to the US.


BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Sure it did.....trump caused the massive increase of attempts to cross the border because of his asshole rhetoric!!!!! If only the GDP increased as much as the illegal entries we'd be in great shape!!!