Monday, July 8, 2019

Article puts Mueller report on Russian interference in doubt...

CrowdStrikeOut: Mueller’s Own Report Undercuts Its Core Russia-Meddling Claims
The report claims that the interference operation occurred "principally" on two fronts: Russian military intelligence officers hacked and leaked embarrassing Democratic Party documents, and a government-linked troll farm orchestrated a sophisticated and far-reaching social media campaign that denigrated Hillary Clinton and promoted Trump.
But a close examination of the report shows that none of those headline assertions are supported by the report’s evidence or other publicly available sources. They are further undercut by investigative shortcomings and the conflicts of interest of key players involved:
In all honesty this article doesn't so much bring up points that have otherwise been ignored, it just brings them up "again" apparently to see if anyone is willing to take a second look at something that conventional wisdom has just demanded is settled. That being said, the article does provide for many instances where the report itself doesn't correspond with what was written in the indictments, or what is being pushed as known fact. This next statement (for example) is taken from the Mueller report.
Between approximately May 25, 2016 and June 1, 2016, GRU officers accessed the DNC’s mail server from a GRU-controlled computer leased inside the United States. During these connections, Unit 26165 officers appear to have stolen thousands of emails and attachments, which were later released by WikiLeaks in July 2016. [Italics added for emphasis.]
So first all the Mueller report doesn't actually conclude or suggest any proof of the main allegation. Rather they actually use the term "appear" in their text. Secondly, for a report offering itself as background evidence used for an indictment of GRU, the idea that they have no actual knowledge of when the event took place is alarming. How can you prove who did something, if you cannot actually prove when it took place.

Imagine for a second a criminal prosecutor coming into a courtroom and telling a jury that sometime between May 25th and June 1st the defendant appeared to have stolen something. Oh, and please find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The only reason the case would not be thrown out of court is because it never would have made it there in the first place.

In another strange twist of events, the Mueller indictment of GRU provides specific chain of events as to how the information was transferred from GRU to Wikileaks. However, the report contradicts the indictment.
But now the report acknowledges that Mueller has not actually established how WikiLeaks acquired the stolen information: "The Office cannot rule out that stolen documents were transferred to WikiLeaks through intermediaries who visited during the summer of 2016."
So basically the indictment (which would require Mueller to prove his allegations beyond a reasonable doubt in court) suggests specifically how the "stolen information" was transferred to Wikileaks, while the report it says suggests that they really do not know.

Moreover, apparently the timing of the Mueller findings is such that Julian Assange was talking about the release of this information two days before he would have first been contacted by GRU, and several days before he would have gotten any information from GRU.


Reading this at face value, it would appear that GRU was looking to offer a supplement to whatever it was that Wikileaks already had. Either way, it certainly appears from Mueller's own report that Wikileaks "already" had the stolen emails to release when first contacted by GRU. This bolsters the claim that the DNC server had been breached by others (and possibly by multiple parties). 

 Assange, curiously, has always suggested that the information he released did not come from GRU, or anyone associated with any Government. He had also agreed to provide the FBI with specific technical information that he said would prove that Russia was not his source. Both the FBI and Special Counsel refused to take him up on the offer. The fact that neither Mueller or Comey made any attempts to interview or collect information from Assange seems inexplicable.

Let's also not forget that neither the FBI, or the office of Special Counsel actually ever saw the servers that were hacked. Their reliance on much of this is on the DNC hired security company Crowdstrike, and their personal analysis of the situation. Keep in mind that there certainly was a political reason for the DNC to blame the Russians. Moreover, the FBI blind reliance on Crowdstrike might not pass muster:
CrowdStrike's accuracy is far from a given. Days after Comey’s testimony, CrowdStrike was forced to retract its claim that Russian software was used to hack Ukrainian military hardware. CrowdStrike's error is especially relevant because it had accused the GRU of using that same software in hacking the DNC.
What we can make of all of this, is that both Mueller and Comey seemed to start out with the idea that the hacking was done by the Russians and spent close to three years attempting to prove it. They relied heavily on second hand information that suggested this, refused to actually investigate any alternative possibilities, and even refused to engage with the one person (Assange) who probably had factual evidence one way or the other. It looks (based on what we can gather from the report itself) that both the FBI and Special Counsel refused to look at anything that might have muddied up their theory. In the end, the theory (while widely accepted) is littered with obvious logical problems.

At the end of the day, there is no "political" reason for anyone to step up and doubt this portion of the Mueller report. Democrats need people to believe it was the Russians, and Republicans have little more incentive to make a dispute on something that is so generally accepted in our conventional wisdom. It seems to just "make sense" that it was the Russians, but it also seems odd that our collective curiously here seems much less important than the nation's collective confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.

35 comments:

Commonsense said...

Wow!

Anonymous said...

US Girl Soccer team pits flag on the Ground after win.

Anonymous said...

Allie Long and Megan Rapinoe are celebrating a victory in the 2019 women's soccer World Cup. Long throws the flag on the grass and it appears as though they step on it while doing some strange celebration dance. Thankfully another member of the team picks up the flag."

Of course the Purple headed boy was involved

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Investigative journalist Carl Bernstein is calling on the media to do a better job covering special counsel Robert Mueller's report.

Speaking on CNN's "Reliable Sources" with Brian Stelter on Sunday, Bernstein said the media is focused on the fighting over the report instead of its actual contents.

"I think we've made a big mistake in the press about how we've covered the Mueller report," Bernstein said. "We've gotten totally wrapped up in the warfare in the Congress between Republicans and Democrats and is there obstruction of justice or is there not obstruction of justice."

Bernstein, best known for his reporting on the Watergate scandal, pointed to the evidence surrounding President Trump in the more than 400-page report.





"There are dozens and dozens of leads in there about Trump's business dealings, things having to do with women as well that we know about from elsewhere...about his business dealings, about oligarchs, about money laundering, about Ponzi schemes," he said.

Bernstein implored the press to do a better job of making clear to Americans the connection between Trump's actions and the direction of the country.

caliphate4vr said...

Speaking on CNN's "Reliable Sources"

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

"We are not making, in the press, the connections between what's going on in the country and Donald Trump, the president," Bernstein said. "We need to be covering the country as well and what people are talking about, thinking about, saying at the dinner table and connecting them to what is going on in Washington and in his campaign."

The Mueller report was first delivered to Attorney General William Barr in March, who released a four-page summary of the special counsel's nearly two years of work to Congress.

Barr then gave a news conference widely covered by the media before publicly releasing a redacted version of the Mueller report.



Mueller will testify before Congress regarding the contents of his report this month.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Carl Bernstein . Where he spoke is irrelevant.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Woodward and Carl Bernstein took down Ricard Nixon

cowardly king obama said...

"There are dozens and dozens of leads in there "

And they FINISHED their investigation. Their whole job was to chase down leads...

hearing some rumors Mueller may be a no-show. Probably wants even more restrictions on questions (he can currently punt to closed session) due to arrest of Epstein, who he gave a favorable deal to. I think his litany of problems and conflicts should be the sole base of questions from the first 2 or 3 questioners.

Hopefully the Republicans are coordinating their time increments.

cowardly king obama said...

Woodward and Carl Bernstein

are older than dirt


And irrelevant anymore. Maybe the dems will dig up some deceased journalists next.

Commonsense said...

Woodward and Carl Bernstein
are older than dirt


And as relegated to the dustbin of history as Drew Pierson.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

none of those headline assertions are supported by the report’s evidence or other publicly available sources. They are further undercut by investigative shortcomings and the conflicts of interest of key players involved:

Barr's selective black out of the section investigation report and the Deep State Conspiracy theory made this case as just another example of an attempt to cover the fat ass of the President.

Myballs said...

Oh please. Bernstein hates Trump and never has anything positive to say about him.

Why don't I copy and paste Shawn Hannity and call it the whole truth.

Dumbass.

Commonsense said...

So much for the rampant speculation about Trump, Clinton, and Prince Andrew being involved with Epstein.

Not a even a hint in the indictments that anyone other than Epstein and his assistant were involved.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
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Donald Trump said...

....their lowest rated show. Watch the @FoxNews weekend daytime anchors, who are terrible, go after her big time. That’s what they want - but it sure is not what the audience wants!

C.H. Truth said...

Roger

Nixon was guilty. Trump wasn't.

Donald Trump said...

Impossible to believe that @FoxNews has hired @donnabrazile, the person fired by @CNN (after they tried to hide the bad facts, & failed) for giving Crooked Hillary Clinton the questions to a debate, something unimaginable. Now she is all over Fox, including Shep Smith, by far....

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

We haven't had impeachment hearings yet.

You presume innocence upon your partisan beliefs.

I don't know yet because we need a trial in the house of representatives.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger - Trump has been exonerated multiple times on the subject of conspiring with the Russians. That was the investigation. There has never been and never will be any evidence of such a conspiracy.

As this article shows, Mueller probably cannot actually "prove" in court that the Russians were even responsible for the hacking. The report clearly shows that he actually is providing a best guestimate of who hacked it, and that he ignored every lead that might have altered the predefined assumption.

Go the his report and look at the first correspondence between the GRU and Wikileaks. It looks very apparent from Mueller's own work that Assange already had the DNC emails long before he was even contacted by the GRU. Assange also flat out told the FBI he could provide them with technical information that proved the DNC emails did not come from GRU. The FBI refused to talk to him.


So you see this all as some sort of conspiracy to cover for Trump?

It's like talking to a toddler...

Commonsense said...

You presume innocence upon your partisan beliefs.

So, to Roger presumption of innocents is a partisan matter instead of an American principle.

He does hate Trump more then he loves American.

Myballs said...

Gail king, who donated to and even vacationed with the obamas,interviewed Michelle Obama and declared the Obama's scandal free.

Gotta love this objective, unbiased news media.

Anonymous said...

Sleepy creepy Joe Biden.
No, repeat No Putin/Russian interference in 2016 Presidential.Election.
"You think that would happen on my watch or Barack’s watch? You can’t answer that, but I promise you it wouldn’t have, and it didn’t,” he said."

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You see this whole thing was a conspiracy to destroy Donald Trump.

You have been claiming that ever since the investigation into the Russian interference was initiated after the President fired Comey because he wouldn't stop the war.

It's like talking to a puppet.

You can't see how dictators have ruled for centuries and have turned democracies into a dictatorship.

This is how Adolf Hitler operated.

Caliphate4vr said...

My god you’re pathetic

And please no more opiate fueled history lessons

C.H. Truth said...

Roger -

Reality check. There is about ten times the evidence that the investigation was a dishonest attempt to frame the President, than there is that the President actually did what he was being investigated for.

He's standing without any of the allegations against him being even remotely true, while multiple FBI employees (including McCabe) have been disciplined, fired, and even referred for criminal prosecution over their handling of the investigation.


The fact that an innocent President didn't want the first two years plus caught up in a fake investigation is not a crime... no matter how much you "want" it to be.

We'll see (soon enough) if the Horowitz reports recommends criminal charges against those who went after an innocent President (apparently knowing full well he was innocent).

On paper. Pure and simple. The viewpoint that it was an illegitimate investigation has much more logical evidence than the viewpoint that Trump conspired with the Russians.


The reality, Roger...

Is you were duped and gaslighted... and likely still are duped and gaslighted... as you still continue to believe that five investigations finding no evidence, is just proof of a cover up.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Totally detached from reality.

the investigation was a dishonest attempt to frame the President.

Anonymous said...

Roger.

Question, do you believe Speaker in Name Only Polosi is going to impeach Trump?

Anonymous said...

Aoc points out Speaker in Name Only Polosi old age and no new ideas, said Polosi is stuck in 2006.

Anonymous said...

Why didn't we see these Results during the Lost Years
?
"The number of individuals participating in the nation’s food stamp program has sunk to its lowest level in ten years, according to the latest data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA)."

Anonymous said...




totally detached from reality:


Blogger Roger Amick said...

We haven't had impeachment hearings yet.

You presume innocence upon your partisan beliefs.

I don't know yet because we need a trial in the house of representatives.



what's most revealing about you alky is that none of your rabid, insane, and highly partisan beliefs have any standing whatsoever within our elements of due process.

in short, you're a fucking hack. there is nothing partisan about presuming trump's innocence. ESPECIALLY when that presumption is based upon a mountain of actual evidence, while your dismissal or trump's presumption of innocence is based upon the fucking voices in your head.


Proof, Burden of Proof, and Presumptions.

It had long been presumed that “reasonable doubt” was the proper standard for criminal cases,1174 but, because the standard was so widely accepted, it was only relatively recently that the Court had the opportunity to pronounce it guaranteed by due process. In 1970, the Court held in In re Winship that the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments “[protect] the accused against conviction except upon proof beyond a reasonable doubt of every fact necessary to constitute the crime with which he is charged.”1175

The standard is closely related to the presumption of innocence, which helps to ensure a defendant a fair trial,1176 and requires that a jury consider a case solely on the evidence.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-14/section-1/proof-burden-of-proof-and-presumptions

anonymous said...

What a crock of shit, Lil Scotty.....more speculation than you and GW is a hoax.......speculation, innuendo is all they wrote about....just like you!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAA!!!


But a close examination of the report shows that none of those headline assertions are supported by the report’s evidence or other publicly available sources. They are further undercut by investigative shortcomings and the conflicts of interest of key players involved:

The report uses qualified and vague language to describe key events, indicating that Mueller and his investigators do not actually know for certain whether Russian intelligence officers stole Democratic Party emails, or how those emails were transferred to WikiLeaks.
The report's timeline of events appears to defy logic. According to its narrative, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange announced the publication of Democratic Party emails not only before he received the documents but before he even communicated with the source that provided them.
There is strong reason to doubt Mueller’s suggestion that an alleged Russian cutout called Guccifer 2.0 supplied the stolen emails to Assange.

Commonsense said...

Tip for Denny. When you express an opinion, you shouldn't copy and paste established facts that disprove it.

Anonymous said...

We didn't tag him as Dopie for nothing.

Anonymous said...

President Trump post July 4th Celibration of America and the US Military is at 50 % Approval.

So stop talking Alky and get to Impeachment.