Tuesday, July 30, 2019

Case in point!

TDS sufferer Lawrence Tribe is still stoking the impeachment flames!
Savvy House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, to spare the Democrats in red and purple congressional districts from facing electoral revolt, gave Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler the go-ahead without first holding a floor vote on whether to conduct hearings into the president’s impeachment. And you can be sure Trump’s lawyers will argue in court that the absence of that politically costly floor vote means the impeachment inquiry does not have the legal superpowers such an inquiry normally acquires — and that are needed to prevail on judicial unsealing of secret grand jury materials and ordering fact witnesses like former White House counsel Don McGahn to testify under oath to what they know Trump did to win office and to cover up what he did to stay there.
That argument could succeed but shouldn’t, and probably won’t. There’s no way courts could avoid the reality or the appearance of being blatantly partisan if they were to muck around in the details of how the speaker of the House chooses to orchestrate the initiation of an impeachment inquiry. And Pelosi’s critics who call her a coward for being subtle about how she is launching this particular inquiry seem to be more interested in the political optics than in the reality of holding this president accountable for his grave offenses against the United States.

Well let's start with the reality that Lawrence Tribe is zero for however many legal predictions he made so far in terms of the investigations into the President.  When Tribe admits that the opposition argument "could" succeed, I would generally put money on the idea that it actually will (just based on Tribe's track record). The reality is that the so-called superpowers of Congressional oversight are not all that super, whereas laws regarding things like Grand Jury testimony are pretty much set in stone.

Tribe seems somewhat unaware that there was a recent decision regarding the release of Grand Jury information that is relevant to this case. The 11th circuit appeals court ruled that Judges had no authority to order the release of Grand Jury information "unless" it specifically related to the named exceptions listed in the law regarding Grand Jury secrecy.

Now I understand that judges being forced to actually follow a law as it's written is a novel concept for many courts (particularly those courts in the 9th circuit), but that is currently what the latest and greatest opinion is stating. That opinion has been appealed, and by most people's guess would likely make it to the USSC, where they will likely side with the most conservative view taken (one that adheres to the law). If one wants to change the law to provide the judicial branch with more power, then by all means give it a try. But good luck with that.

Now one of the six exceptions is providing it to another "judicial proceeding" that is covering the same issues and facts. So if there happens to be another court case where grand jury testimony is deemed relevant, it can quite obviously be provided to the judge and other parties in another case. This is where Congress believes that it can claim that impeachment is a "judicial proceeding" and they would get little argument from legal experts.

But because there is no actual exception for "congressional oversight" of a President, it has to be officially related to an actual impeachment hearing. The question at this point in time is whether or not the Democrats can simply declare an "impeachment inquiry" without actually doing what Congress generally does (which is voting on it and making it official).

The obvious questions are:

  • How does this inquiry differ from other inquiries that would otherwise fall under the broader area of simple congressional oversight? 
  • Does simply calling an inquiry an "impeachment inquiry" make it so?  
  • Isn't it possible that all inquiries could eventually lead to impeachment?  
  • Couldn't any and all future congressional oversight inquiries be labeled an "impeachment inquiry" in order to gain extra access to information?

There has to be something more... official or legal... that separates a general inquiry from an impeachment inquiry.

Consider how strange it would be for a court to determine that the Judiciary Committee did not possess whatever special investigatory powers accompany a full-on impeachment proceeding. The law then would absurdly require the House to exercise its “sole power of impeachment” in the dark, without access to the information it needs to make the most serious and fateful decisions. Silly as the legal system sometimes seems, it’s just not that stupid. 

The idea that it would be "partisan, silly, and stupid" to declare that a Judicial Committee impeachment inquiry (which has not gone through any normal congressional channels) is not one of the named exceptions of the grand jury secrecy laws is pretty bold. Tribe is making the emotional argument that liberal attorneys and liberal law experts hang their proverbial hat on. Of course, this very strategy is what has made Lawrence Tribe a big O-for in this one.

Now this is one of those cases that could go either way. But the bigger trouble comes from the fact that Mueller and his merry band of special counsel minions have already seen the grand jury testimony and already wrote a report that included what they knew. There is almost no chance that anything in the secret grand jury testimony that would make much of a difference. Moreover, if congress did garner that information it would still not be made "public". So this looks like little more than an excuse to "extend" talk of impeachment further out into future because certain people just refuse to give up on it.

33 comments:

Anonymous said...




Tribe is making the emotional argument...

the ONLY argument(s) that have been made in favor of impeachment have been emotional. none have had any basis in fact, reason, logic or intellect.

you have to give trump credit for being able to reduce a harvard "scholar" to a ranting, illogical fool.

they just can't seem to get the best of trump no matter how hard they try.

their reaction to trump's re-election should be interesting, to say the least.

anonymous said...

TDS sufferer Lawrence Tribe is still stoking the impeachment flames!

Funny how you support the felon in chief while berating a brilliant mind like Tribes....In the meantime, trump yesterday claimed to have spent much time at ground zero while signing the first responders bill....again, egotistically making the bill about himself, which you seem to adore, Lil Scotty.....Seems to me that his base of aggrieved old white men is finite and his racist pandering to you and others will not turn out well especially with his anemic GDP numbers,......BWAAAAAAAA!!!!


BTW lil Scotty....sure seems like that white supremacist shooter in Ca is really white, unlike the lie you posted yesterday!!!!!

Myballs said...

So here's Trump pushing prison reform, working to get that rapper released, seeing historic low unemployment among minorities.

If he's a racist, he's not very good at it.

Meanwhile, he's getting strong support from minorities for his focus on urban problems.

anonymous said...

So here's Trump pushing prison reform, working to get that rapper released,



BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! And splitting the country in 2 with his attacks on american citizens cities and congressmen....yeah, he's a real prince amongst R assholes like you!!!!

Myballs said...

Huh??

C.H. Truth said...

while berating a brilliant mind like Tribes.

If he is so brilliant, why is he wrong so often?

Oh, wait... I almost forgot. Being right is irrelevant.
You would rather be "morally" correct, than "factually" correct.
Like your intellectual hero, AOC!

Anonymous said...

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The Squatter are running the Socialist Democrat Party .

Anonymous said...

Polosi Agrees to vote in October on President Trump's new Agreement with Mexico and Canada.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Laurence Henry Tribe is an American legal scholar who is the Carl M. Loeb University Professor at the Harvard Law School of Harvard University.

Your a paper pusher with an obscure blog and racist comments.

Commonsense said...
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Commonsense said...

Laurence Henry Tribe is an American legal scholar

Whose TDS infected mind is one of the great tragedies of our time.

As is the homeless alcoholic drifter who sacrificed his life on the alter of hate.

anonymous said...


Whose TDS infected mind is one of the great tragedies of our time.

You keep proving cramps that opinions are like assholes.....especially your own.....BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!

anonymous said...


If he is so brilliant, why is he wrong so often?


Like you????? BWAAAAAAA!!!! Wrong in your mind....but, Lil Scotty....he gets paid handsomely for being wrong...you get rat hole, cramps and the goat fucker to agree with you!!!!!!! That sure makes you very special!!!!

Commonsense said...

Denny get some Orange Juice. You're hypoglycemic.

anonymous said...

ny get some Orange Juice. You're hypoglycemic.


And you just remain a moronic idiot with no visible means of support!!!! BWAAAAAAAA!!!!

Nice of you to use a scientific term in spite of your lack of intellect......

Anonymous said...




Laurence Henry Tribe is an American legal scholar who is the Carl M. Loeb University Professor at the Harvard Law School of Harvard University.


who has never produced anything outside of a faculty lounge rest room.

in case you haven't noticed alky, trump is the result of far too many asshat elites like tribe ruling us for far too long.

even WFB was quoted as saying he's rather be governed by the first 3000 names in the boston phone book than by the faculty of harvard.

you and tribe could be twins. you're both mentally ill as a result of stage IV TDS. tribe is just more credentialed than you.



Anonymous said...

As is the homeless alcoholic drifter who sacrificed his life on the alter of hate."

Everyone has shunned him in his personal life.

Anonymous said...

Wife and I are putting up 12 quarts and 6 pints of sweet pickles today.
She looks great in her shorts and chefs apron.

caliphate4vr said...

Someone tell Nawlins get over it


Louisiana judge orders Roger Goodell, referees to be questioned under oath about NFC title game no-call
A New Orleans lawyer alleges fraud committed by NFL officials

anonymous said...


Wife and I are putting up 12 quarts and 6 pints of sweet pickles today.

Putting up where??? Your old white fucking ass goat fucker???

BTW....WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT YOU PUT UP WHICH IS PRIMARLY LIES!!!!

anonymous said...

who has never produced anything outside of a faculty lounge rest room.


And what have you produced other than sucking on trumps dick and getting his load???????

C.H. Truth said...

Laurence Henry Tribe is an American legal scholar who is the Carl M. Loeb University Professor at the Harvard Law School of Harvard University.

Yet... he still manages to be wrong, over and over and over and over and over and over...

What is it with liberals and their infatuation with being wrong, and wearing it like a badge of honor?

C.H. Truth said...

Also Roger...

I am curious why you seem so hell bent on relying on what degrees people have. Wouldn't that put you at the bottom of the barrel? Wouldn't anyone who got an advanced degree be more qualified than you to speak on pretty much any and all issues?

I have almost six years of post secondary school, graduating with a double major in Business and Computer science, with several quarters on the dean's lists. You have what? A high school diploma?


If by your logic, Lawrence Tribe should be listened to over me...
Than I should always be listened to over you!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Putin Opposition Leader Jailed Again After Suspected Poisoning.

Trump is jealous.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Your opinion is based upon your political bias against the media and the Constitution of the United States of America.

He said that he can do whatever he wants.

Seig Heil Mr. President Trump

Trumpism stage four brain cancer is incurable in your case.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Did you go to Harvard University? Are you a professor of the law school of Harvard University or the university of Minnesota?

You don't know shit about the law.

Anonymous said...


I am curious why you seem so hell bent on relying on what degrees people have. Wouldn't that put you at the bottom of the barrel? Wouldn't anyone who got an advanced degree be more qualified than you to speak on pretty much any and all issues? "

Roger has degree envy. He also.has wealth envy and permanent address envy.

Anonymous said...

Roger I was looking at your Hate Trump Facebook page. Lordie you have TED.

Also, I notice the technology there befuddled you repeatedly.

Sad idiot .

anonymous said...

Also, I notice the technology there befuddled you repeatedly.


BWAAAAAAA!!!! Go put up a pickle since that is about as complex a task a goat fucker can handle.....

God you are an old yenta women and a goat fucker.....asshole

C.H. Truth said...

Did you go to Harvard University? Are you a professor of the law school of Harvard University or the university of Minnesota?

Pretty sure I went to a more reputable college than you did!

Oddly, people like Alan Dershowitz went to Ivy league schools (both Harvard and Yale in his case), and hold the exact opposite position on most of these issues as Tribe does.

If the people who went to Harvard or Yale were more likely to be right, how is it that the same education made two different people come to opposite conclusions?


Could it be that which school you went to hardly qualifies whether or not you are going to be right or wrong?


Always been one of those difference between liberals and conservatives, Roger.

Liberals seem to bow in awe of the Ivy league education at least if that person was a liberal (not so much if they are conservative). It's as if going to a particular school makes what they say "matter more".

While Conservatives prefer to look up to accomplishment, success, and as it pertains to opinions... being right.


In the real world, nobody cares where I went to school. That being said, when I graduated - my school was considered a top Computer Science school in the midwest and the country. Many big ten school students transferred to my school to finish their computer science degrees. We had students from all over the world who came to get the same degree I did. So I don't feel the need to look up to anyone's education.

But as it pertains to what I do... I am 100% graded on my performance. If I am troubleshooting a difficult issue and I provide the wrong solution, and my solution does not resolve the issue... it wouldn't matter if I had a Masters from MIT coupled with a doctorate from Harvard. I would still have provided the wrong solution.


It's odd how liberals see that differently. That "reality" should bend to the "opinion" of the person with a degree. Well sure, a liberal might say... that solution didn't work, but the person who supplied that solution has a degree from MIT so he cannot possibly be wrong.

Ahem.

Anonymous said...

Dolt Denny, your failure to defend always wrong Alky is noted.

Anonymous said...

Mic drop in 3,,, 2,,,,, 1
"Pretty sure I went to a more reputable college than you did! "

Anonymous said...

This guy had graduated from both and was a Jet Fighter pilot.

Education: Yale University (BA); Harvard University(MBA)