Monday, September 30, 2019

Another Liberal talking point challenged.

Ukraine’s Former Top Prosecutor Swore He Was Fired Over Refusal to Drop Biden Probe (this article is being linked by Real Clear Politics)
“The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine, and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors,” Shokin wrote.
“I assume Burisma, which was connected with gas extraction, had the support of the US Vice-President Joe Biden because his son was on the Board of Directors.”
Shokin said Poroshenko, Ukraine’s president at the time, came to him multiple times and asked him to close down the probe into Burisma but the prosecutor refused.
“In my conversations with Poroshenko at the time, he was emphatic that I should cease my investigations regarding Burisma. When I did not, he said that the U.S. (via Biden) were refusing to release the USD  $1 billion promised to Ukraine. He said that he had no choice.”

Now both the original prosecutor AND the original investigator are on record as saying that they were in the middle of a corruption probe of Burisma at the time Biden demanded to the Ukrainian President that Shokin be fired. Whether or not Shokin was fired specifically because of Burisma could still be considered an open question, but the investigator has stated (also for the record) that his probe was pulled by Shokin's replacement and closed prematurely.

Mother Jones and the New York Slimes have both provided stories citing unidentified anonymous sources, who know people who work with people, who know government people who are thought to be familiar with the subject matter who swear that Shokin was fired because he wouldn't investigate Burisma.

So which of the following narratives should we believe
  • The actual prosecutor and investigator who said they were fired and pulled from Burisma because of pressure from Joe Biden?
  • Unidentified anonymous sources familiar with people who were familiar with things, who tell us that Joe Biden was pressuring the firing of Shokin because he wasn't actually investigating Burisma? 
I guess we can all decide for ourselves.

148 comments:

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

LOL
Nobody could decide anything based on your distorted rewordings of the "facts."

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Pelosi Notes Polls Have Shifted on Impeachment

Washington Post: “On a conference call with House Democrats on Sunday afternoon, Pelosi told her colleagues that public sentiment — something she had frequently cited as an obstacle to pursuing impeachment — had begun to swing around.”

Said Pelosi: “The polls have changed drastically about this… Our tone must be prayerful, respectful, solemn, worthy of the Constitution.”

Unlike how the President is behaving, IOW.
______________
McConnell Confirms Senate Would Take Up Impeachment

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell confirmed to CNBC that the Senate would have to take up impeachment of President Trump if the House effectively votes to charge the president.

Said McConnell: “I would have no choice but to take it up. How long you are on it is a different matter, but I would have no choice but to take it up based on a Senate rule on impeachment.”
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Kremlin Wants to Approve Release of Trump-Putin Calls

“The Kremlin said on Monday that Washington would need Russian consent to publish transcripts of phone calls between President Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin,” Reuters reports.

“Congress is determined to get access to Trump’s calls with Putin and other world leaders, the House Intelligence Committee’s chairman said on Sunday, citing concerns that the Republican president may have jeopardized national security.”

PlayTheTrumpCard said...

@PlaysTrumpCard

Everything about the #FakeWhistleBlower scam the Democrats are saying is nefarious is a lie.

They're such ridiculous lies, that their only defense now is to say that WE aren't interpreting the transcript the way THEY say we should.

It's not gonna work devil!

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Obamacare Has Made People Healthier
September 30, 2019 at 12:56 pm EDT

Washington Post: “Poor people in Michigan with asthma and diabetes were admitted to the hospital less often after they joined Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. More than 25,000 Ohio smokers got help through the state’s Medicaid expansion that led them to quit. And around the country, patients with advanced kidney disease who went on dialysis were more likely to be alive a year later if they lived in a Medicaid-expansion state.

“Such findings are part of an emerging mosaic of evidence that, nearly a decade after it became one of the most polarizing health-care laws in U.S. history, the ACA is making some Americans healthier — and less likely to die.”
_____

Oh dear. Whatever happened to those death panels?

Bradley Brewer said...

@realBradBrewer

The Dems, w/ this push to ‘hear all phone calls,’ are degrading the office of the POTUS.

How can any President, not just Trump, call a world leader, speak candidly, & get things done when they are under “this will be public knowledge” level scrutiny.

All out of hate of Trump.

Commonsense said...

"Distorted rewording or facts"? hardly.

Biden bragged last year that he got the prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, dismissed.

In a newly published sworn affidavit, obtained by The Hill, Shokin said he was told the reason he was forced out in March 2016: Biden wasn’t pleased with the investigations into Burisma, an energy company for which Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, served on the board.

Shokin said he tendered his resignation at the request of President Petro Poroshenko, who “asked me to resign due to pressure from the U.S. presidential administration, in particular from Joe Biden.”

“Biden was threatening to withhold USD$ 1 billion in subsidies to Ukraine until I was removed from office.”

Biden in 2018 told an audience at the Council of Foreign Relations event what happened in 2016.

Mark R. Levin said...

@marklevinshow

Now media polls are used to drive the narrative and, they hope, build momentum. So predictable.

Tony Shaffer Retweeted Mark R. Levin
I've actually noticed this - plus everything from @YouTube to @tumblr is being saturated by anti-Trump/pro-impeachment ads to drive the narrative - we are living in 1984...“War is peace / freedom is slavery [and] ignorance is strength.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He was as corrupt as the President you love so much.

Your man love shows a bisexual tendency!

Commonsense said...

BTW Biden did exactly what Pelosi now calls an impeachable offense.

PlayTheTrumpCard said...

@PlaysTrumpCard

With every day that this total set-up #FakeWhistleblower scam goes on, the lying Dems are having to trot out MORE lies to cover all the previous days lies, and it's embarrassing that the rest of the world has to learn how idiotic 1/2 our country is.
D's should've gone after JOE!

cowardly king obama said...

Roger Amick said...
He was as corrupt as the President you love so much.

Your man love shows a bisexual tendency!


Can you please just message james in private about his Obama/Biden feelings and keep it off the blog

Anonymous said...




BTW Biden did exactly what Pelosi now calls an impeachable offense.


and this is the common theme throughout all of these "SCANDALS."

democrats are almost always universally guilty of committing the same exact crimes they accuse republicans of.

Anonymous said...

Exactly.

"Can you please just message james in private about his Obama/Biden feelings and keep it off the blog"

Anonymous said...

urgently the Polosi house goes out on recess.

Sean Davis said...

@seanmdav

I don't know how much clearer the IC IG could have been in its previous whistleblower guidance than saying, in all caps, "FIRST-HAND INFORMATION REQUIRED."

Anyone who claims the IC IG never required first-hand evidence is being deliberately dishonest.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/intel-community-secretly-gutted-requirement-of-first-hand-whistleblower-knowledge/ …

Hearsay is the new democrat standard, wonder how long that will stand

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Civil war?

Anonymous said...

"Say When"

Mollie said...

@MZHemingway

"Ukrainian efforts, abetted by a U.S. political party, to interfere in the 2016 election should not be ignored. Such allegations of corruption deserve due scrutiny, and the American people have a right to know when foreign forces attempt to undermine our democratic processes."
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U.S. Senators Charles Grassley and Ron Johnson coming out hard against corporate media cover-up of Ukraine's role in 2016 election meddling that falsely accused Trump of treasonous collusion with Russia to steal election.

-----------------------
Mike
@Doranimated

Mike Retweeted Mollie
The pious concern and the hair-on-fire alarmism about the executive branch exploiting influence with foreign governments to influence elections focuses exclusively on Trump, when the glaring example we have in front of us is the Obama admin in 2016.

Biggest political scandal of all-time an still going on with this attempted coup now being driven by hearsay.

Commonsense said...

This is already starting to fall apart for the Democrats.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...


Ukraine Scandal Might Lead to Smoking Gun on Russia

cowardly king obama said...

James said...
Ukraine Scandal Might Lead to Smoking Gun on Russia


yep, just read above

Myballs said...

Even Stephanopoulos had to ask Adam Schiff 'if what trump said is as bad as you say, why make up dialog?'

Exactly. Trump's right. We could be headi,f for a civil war. Personally, I just moved all my 401k stock I,investments into bond funds. An impeachment will tank the market. Bonds go up when stocks go down.

Commonsense said...

Ukraine Scandal Might Lead to Smoking Gun on Russia

Now I know they've all have gone batshit crazy.

Commonsense said...

Batshit crazy seems to be the theme for the day.

Anonymous said...

lol, Russia is back. ok.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo took part in a phone call between Donald Trump and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, the Wall Street Journal has reported.

Is Trump throwing him under the bus?

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump Pushed Australian Leader to Probe Mueller
September 30, 2019 at 4:24 pm EDT

“President Trump pushed the Australian prime minister during a recent telephone call to help Attorney General William Barr gather information for a Justice Department inquiry that Mr. Trump hopes will discredit the Mueller investigation,” the New York Times reports.

“The White House restricted access to the call’s transcript to a small group of the president’s aides, an unusual decision that is similar to the handling of a July call with the Ukrainian president that is at the heart of House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry into Mr. Trump. Like that call, the discussion with Prime Minister Scott Morrison of Australia shows the extent to which Mr. Trump sees the attorney general as a critical partner in his goal to show that the Mueller investigation had corrupt and partisan origins, and the extent that Mr. Trump sees the Justice Department inquiry as a potential way to gain leverage over America’s closest allies.

“And like the call with the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, the discussion with Mr. Morrison shows the president using high-level diplomacy to advance his personal political interests.”

KEEP RIGHT ON DEFENDING HIM, DO.
TIME TO QUESTION BARR, IS IT NOT?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

This is why he withheld the whistleblower report!

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

House Subpoenas Giuliani for Ukraine Records
September 30, 2019 at 4:13 pm EDT

“House Democrats investigating whether to impeach President Trump issued a subpoena on Monday demanding that Rudolph W. Giuliani, his private lawyer, produce communications and other records related to his attempts to pressure Ukraine to investigate the president’s Democratic rivals,” the New York Times reports.

“The new demands of Mr. Giuliani and separate requests sent to three of his associates said to be involved in the Ukraine matter suggest that Democrats are moving quickly to stand up their investigation. On Friday, the issued a subpoena to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo for documents and demanded that he make five department officials available for depositions.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was among administration officials who listened in on the July 25 phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, a senior State Department official said. House committees also subpoenaed Rudy Giuliani for documents related to Ukraine.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Pompeo Took Part in Trump-Zelensky Phone Call, Official Says https://www.wsj.com/articles/mcconnell-envisions-senate-trial-if-house-passes-articles-of-impeachment-11569865002

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Bolton Opposed Trump Making Ukraine Call

Former National Security Adviser John Bolton was at odds with President Trump over his July phone call with the president of Ukraine, NBC News reports.

“Three officials said Bolton argued against Trump calling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy on July 25 because he was CONCERNED THE PRESIDENT WASN'T COORDINATING WITH ADVISERS on what to say and MIGHT AIR PERSONAL GRIEVANCES.”

WOW. FOR ONCE, BOLTON SHOWED A LOT MORE SMARTS THAN TRUMP.

cowardly king obama said...

“President Trump pushed the Australian prime minister during a recent telephone call to help Attorney General William Barr gather information for a Justice Department inquiry"

EXCELLENT. Let's get to the bottom of how the Russian Collusion HOAX actually got started.

Who came up with this false narrative, who executed it and what was it used for.

Election interference in2016. Every American should support investigating this and making sure it doesn't happen again..

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

“The White House restricted access to the call’s transcript to a small group of the president’s aides, an unusual decision that is similar to the handling of a July call with the Ukrainian president that is at the heart of House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry into Mr. Trump."

Now, why would they do that? All Trump's conversations with foreign leaders are, as he said, "perfect."

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

White House Trying to Identify Whistleblower

President Trump said that the White House is “trying to find out” the identity of the intelligence community whistleblower who filed a complaint about the president’s interactions with Ukraine, The Hill reports.
_________

Isn't that impeachable, too?

Anonymous said...

Jane crying .

"Cowardly, like Kansas Democrat, has so little to say that he must constantly indulge in personal insults. Totally stupid ones, at that."

Cowardly is you attempt at insulting me, yawn.

The Facts I posted about Roger are accurate , taken from his Facebook and the concerns from his FB fake friends.
Roger stated he was suicidal , Roger said he was divorcing again, Roger said he was face forced eviction.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

SUPPORT FOR IMPEACHMENT SURGES

September 30, 2019 - Support For Impeachment Grows Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds;
Majority Of Voters Approve Of Impeachment Inquiry

American voters are divided on impeaching and removing President Trump from office, 47 - 47 percent - closing a 20 point gap from less than a week ago, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University Poll released today.

In the poll released on September 25th, voters said that the president should not be impeached and removed 57 - 37 percent.

Among the political party subgroups, Democrats showed the greatest change from the last poll. Today, they show a virtual consensus on impeaching Trump, 90 - 5 percent, while last week they said Trump should be impeached 73 - 21 percent.

The gap also closed among independents, who clearly said that the president should not be impeached last week 58 - 34 percent, and today are only slightly opposed to impeachment at 50 - 42 percent.

Republicans feel much the same today as they did last week about impeachment; today, they say Trump should not be impeached 92 - 7 percent, and last week, they were opposed 95 - 4 percent.

While voters are split on impeaching and removing President Trump from office, a slim majority of registered voters do approve of the impeachment inquiry opened by the U.S. House of Representatives 52 - 45 percent. Approval includes half of independents, who are split 50 - 45 percent on the inquiry.

"Following a week when House Democrats announced a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump and more information emerged about the President's actions regarding Ukraine, public opinion about impeachment is showing a shift. The percentage of voters who think the President should be impeached and removed from office climbed," said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Mary Snow. "While voters overall are split on the question, there's less hesitancy over the impeachment inquiry itself as more than half of voters approve of it."

Thinking about President Trump's actions regarding Ukraine, 55 percent of voters say that they are paying a lot of attention. An additional 28 percent say they are paying some attention, while a combined 16 percent say they are paying only a little attention or none at all.

When it comes to President Trump's interactions with the President of Ukraine specifically, 50 percent of voters say that Trump has done something wrong, while 40 percent say he has not done something wrong.

Independents say that the president has done something wrong 52 - 41 percent,

while Democrats say so 86 - 3 percent.

Republicans say he has not done something wrong 83 - 9 percent.

A large majority of those who say Trump has done something wrong say he has done something seriously wrong, 87 - 9 percent.

"Despite the fact that the impeachment inquiry is just getting underway, half of American voters already believe that President Trump has done something wrong when it comes to his interactions with Ukraine's leader. Of that group, there's a virtually unanimous view he did something seriously wrong," added Snow.

Looking at this situation more generally, 52 percent of voters say that asking a foreign leader for help in defeating an opponent in an upcoming election is a good enough reason to impeach a president and remove them from office, while 38 percent say it is not.

cowardly king obama said...

Top Lawmakers Tell Intel Community Inspector General: Come Clean On Secret Changes To Whistleblower Rules

Lawmakers in both chambers wrote to the Intelligence Community Inspector General on Monday demanding answers about why his office secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblower complaints contain first-hand evidence.

Republican lawmakers in both the Senate and House on Monday demanded answers from the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) about secret revisions to the office’s guidance on “urgent concern” whistleblower complaints. The Federalist first reported last week that between May 2018 and August 2019, the ICIG secretly eliminated its requirement that potential whistleblowers provide only first-hand evidence of alleged wrongdoing.

In their letter to Michael Atkinson, the ICIG, Reps. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), and Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) noted that the anti-Trump complainant offered no direct, first-hand evidence of alleged wrongdoing against President Donald Trump. Instead, the complaint is littered with gossip, hearsay, and rumor. The lawmakers specifically asked the ICIG to explain when the whistleblower guidance was revised, by whom, and for what reason.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/30/top-lawmakers-tell-intel-community-inspector-general-come-clean-on-secret-changes-to-whistleblower-rules/#.XZJox0vi0QE.twitter

EXCELLENT Everyone should want transparency and not have HEARSAY become the new legal standard, right pederast?

Anonymous said...

NYT's reports that Trump asked Austraiia to help barr to investigate origins of mueller probe.....Also Just reported by WSJ....Pompeo complicit in the Ukraine call by listening in and doing NOTHING!!!!! He should be fired!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

More good news for the D'S as another corrupt r quit congress....GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

So President Trump is doing what Mueller failed to get done.

ok.

Anonymous said...

lol, "Democrats say so 86 - 3 percent. " said President Trump did something wrong.

ya he beat Hillary.

Anonymous said...

Representative Chris Collins, a fourth-term Republican from Western New York who narrowly won re-election last year despite fighting federal securities fraud charges, resigned on Monday in advance of an expected guilty plea.

Mr. Collins, 69, the first sitting member of Congress to endorse President Trump in 2016, had been accused of using private information about a drug company in which he was invested to help his son and others avoid financial losses

Myballs said...

Rush today was talking about Brennan traveling to Ukraine with a fake passport so we wouldn't find out what he was doing.

He's as much a criminal as his FBI pals.

Charlie Kirk said...

@charliekirk11

BREAKING:

Adam Schiff sent a staffer to Ukraine August 24th

This is another set up to sabotage our President

They tried this in 2016

No one has been held accountable from the failed 2016 coup, Comey etc

This is a travesty against our President

This cannot continue

Sick!!!

cowardly king obama said...


Talking about "fakes"

I see we now have an "anonymous" pederast, right FUCKING "pastor"

ROFLMFAO !!!

Anonymous said...

Slow Joe Wants to stop free speech.

imagine what the Socialist would do IF they win the Presidency.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Rush?????????😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Personal insults are cowardly and weak and add nothing to the discussion.

Meanwhile,

ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR PERSONALLY ASKED FOREIGN OFFICIALS TO AID INQUIRY INTO CIA, FBI ACTIVITIES IN 2016

The president still complains frequently that those involved in the investigation of his campaign should be charged with crimes, asserting the FBI search for possible election season collusion between Russia and Trump campaign officials was a witch hunt, spurred by agents and bureaucrats opposed to Trump becoming president. That investigation ended earlier this year when special counsel Robert S. Mueller III determined there was insufficient evidence to charge any Americans with conspiring with Russia, and declined to reach a decision about whether the president had sought to obstruct justice.

David Laufman, a former Justice Department official who was involved in the early stages of the Russia probe, said it was “fairly unorthodox for the attorney general personally to be flying around the world as a point person to further evidence-gathering for a specific Justice Department investigation,” and especially so in Barr’s case.

“Even if one questions, as a threshold matter, the propriety of conducting a re-investigation of the Justice Department’s own prior investigation of Russia’s interference, the appointment of John Durham — a seasoned, nonpartisan prosecutor — provided some reason to believe that it would be handled in a professional, nonpartisan manner,” Laufman said. “But if the attorney general is essentially running this investigation, that entire premise is out the window.”

Rudy Giuliani said...

@RudyGiuliani

I can’t believe how blind our media has become.They are blindly using the prosecutor who corruptly dismissed the cases against Biden’s son and his corrupt company. There was no investigation. Where’s the report? Use your common sense for those who haven’t lost it. Analyze it....

Bribery is offering anything of value ($1.2 billion critical loan guarantee) in exchange for official action (firing the prosecutor, corrupt or not, who is investigating your son). Bragging Biden admits it. And if you need help on whether he knew about son, plenty to come.


Mary Grace™
🇺🇸
*American*
@MaryGraceMedia

Replying to @RudyGiuliani
Pro tip: What Rudy is hinting at here is RICO violations and that is Rudy’s area of expertise.

This is why the DNC propaganda machine is in full panic mode.

This is why Biden’s team are DEMANDING the networks shut down future appearances by Rudy.

THEY KNOW HE HAS EVIDENCE

Dan Bongino said...

@dbongino

The NY Times, & their Democrat Party allies, are desperate to cover up the Obama administration’s collusion with Ukrainian, UK, and Australian officials, & the spying operation against Trump. This is all media noise to distract you from the biggest political scandal in history.

cowardly king obama said...


I see the "anonymous" pederast came out hiding, right james.

and such language - FUCKING.

and out of the "mouth" of a "pastor"

ROFLMFAO !!!

Anonymous said...

Don Bongino likes little boys just like the goat fucker..........BWAAAAAAAA!!!!

Phil Kerpen said...

@kerpen

Phil Kerpen Retweeted The New York Times
We're at the part where the Dem/media coup plotters try to cast investigation of their own misdeeds as a new pretext for impeachment

Anonymous said...



David Laufman, a former Justice Department official who was involved in the early stages of the Russia probe, said it was “fairly unorthodox for the attorney general personally to be flying around the world as a point person to further evidence-gathering for a specific Justice Department investigation,” and especially so in Barr’s case.


unorthodox?

what's unorthodox is not being able to trust anyone, and to suspect you're surrounded by partisan hacks, spies, and traitors.

barr is wise to do this himself. i just hope he has an adequate security detail.

Anonymous said...

The Childred are angry at getting so little attention.
"Freshman lawmakers Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., and Rep. Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass., appeared in a video on Monday with former Congressional Black Caucus Chairwoman Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., to push for the repeal of the Hyde Amendment, which bans federal money from funding abortions."

Anonymous said...

The "pastor" likes little boys just like the rev james boswell.........BWAAAAAAAA!!!!

Steph said...

@steph93065

Steph Retweeted The New York Times
If the Obama administration didn't bring so many other countries in to interfere with our 2016 election, Trump wouldn't have to ask them cooperate with the investigation.
#Austria #Ukraine #Italy

Benny said...

@bennyjohnson

Last night on 60 Minutes, Nancy Pelosi said she “knew what was in” the Ukraine call before the White House released transcript to the public.

She then claims “it was in the public domain”.

It wasn’t.

How did you know what was in the call @SpeakerPelosi?

Beesbuzz said...

‏@aviv1818

BOOM!: Author #PeterSchweizer Drops Evidence of #BidenCorruption!

Documents Shows #HunterBiden Involved in Sale of US Company to China with Potential Military Applications!

This Is Getting VERY Serious!

Are We Talking TREASON Here?


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/breaking-author-peter-schweizer-drops-biden-corruption-documents-shows-hunter-involved-in-sale-of-us-company-to-china-with-potential-military-applications/

#TruthMatters
@Potus

Anonymous said...

The "pastor" likes little boys just like the rev james boswell...


That goat fucker is sure a funny fellow....especially with trumps dick stuck up his ass with the coward.....BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Anonymous said...



Blogger Roger Amick said...

Civil war?



shhhhhhhhhhh, alky.

you'll wake the "orange monster" under your cot.


Sean Davis said...

@seanmdav

Complete vindication of our reporting in this ICIG letter, following days of stonewalling. The ICIG just admitted it changed the form in August, and eliminated its previous guidance, just as we reported on Friday.

https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Documents/News/ICIG%20News/2019/September%2030%20-%20Statement%20on%20Processing%20of%20Whistleblower%20Complaints/ICIG%20Statement%20on%20Processing%20of%20Whistleblower%20Complaints.pdf …

Additionally, congressional sources say the IC IG did not turn over the anti-Trump complainant’s whistleblower form to Congress. On that form, the complainant attested under penalty of perjury that the entire of his complaint was true. In fact, it is riddled with falsehoods.

Anonymous said...

The entrenched elites of both parties and a large portion of the corrupt upper federal bureaucracy understand the mortal threat President Trump poses to them. This threat has been the driving force behind the continuous efforts to destroy the Trump presidency since (and before) the president's inauguration.

These forces have no doubt already figured out they can't beat the president at the ballot box. Impeachment is their last desperate chance to rid themselves of the man who has so effectively exposed their self-enrichment and multiple sell-outs of the American people. And now they think they see their chance — based on a single telephone call in which America's president, reasonably and with more than good cause, suspecting criminal wrongdoing, may have sought the assistance of a foreign head of state in getting to the bottom of his amply justified suspicions.

They are counting on the now widely and deeply loathed former Republican, Mitt Romney, to round up enough Republican turncoat Trump-haters to reach two thirds of the Senate — all without regard to the total absence of anything remotely approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors."

No occupant of the White House before the current one has faced even a small fraction of the unrelenting groundless accusations, calumnies, and outright lies endured by President Trump since well before the first day of his presidency. Through it all, he has repelled the attacks, while he produced concrete results for the American economy and American conservatism unseen since President Reagan.

The constant, vile, often violent denunciations of America's president during the last nearly three years, all by the 2016 losers and their major media mouthpieces, are without any precedent in the nation's history. The impeachment proceedings President Trump now confronts — for a single telephone call to a head of state raising issues entirely appropriate to the functions of his office — are merely another round in the Democrat/media elites' continuous efforts to reverse the outcome of the 2016 election.

[...]

The president's defense in the Senate, accordingly, must engage, spotlight, scrutinize and expose the entire course of odious conduct by the president's corrupt attackers, from their first spinning of the Russia collusion hoax,through the latest chapter in their attempted coup.

Everything will be relevant in the Senate trial, and everyone, no exceptions, should be subpoenaed and interrogated under oath. That means Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Brennan, James Comey, Peter Strzok, and the entire gang behind the coup.

[...]

Here is the most important benefit of this broad and aggressive approach to the president's defense: in confronting all those who have ceaselessly sought to reverse the 2016 election, President Trump's legal team this time will have a critical tool thus far denied them: the power to subpoena any and all persons, including all those who were elbow-deep in the Russia collusion hoax. Unlike during the feeble and tedious investigation conducted by the Washington elite's chosen operative, Robert Mueller, every single such person will be sworn and aggressively, publicly interrogated under penalty of perjury, by formidable trial counsel.

What the anti-democratic authors of this latest putsch attempt failed to realize — in their fury of blind hatred — is that the Republican Senate majority will be in command of the scope and duration of the trial and that the truth-revealing power of the subpoena, followed by public testimony under oath, is the surest route to exposing lies and crimes.


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/impeachment_bring_it_on_trump_can_put_the_dems_on_trial_in_the_senate.html

Anonymous said...



Mitch McConnell strides into the press conference, exuding that air of masculine confidence that made him, inevitably, a leader of men. He taps the microphone, clears his throat, and begins his presentation to the assembled reporters: “Good afternoon, everyone. I have an important announcement to make. In fact, one of historical significance.” Before the murmur in the room can die down, he declares, “Republicans of both houses of Congress are officially launching an impeachment investigation of the next Democratic President of the United States.”

After 10-15 seconds of stunned silence, the questions begin:

REPORTER 1: “But, the next Democratic President hasn’t even been inaugurated yet.”

MCCONNELL: “Neither had President Trump, when his impeachment investigation started. One example of the bipartisan nature of this investigation is how closely we are modeling it on the admirably effective techniques of our esteemed Democratic colleagues. After all, it’s all about the children.”

REPORTER 2: “Ummm… But shouldn’t you at least wait until you find out who the next Democratic President will be?”

MCCONNELL: “We feel that such procedural delays would be reckless. What if the next Democrat President ends up being black? Or female? Or gay? Or a member of some other oppressed group which hasn’t been discovered yet? This way, we can make it clear that this is not simply a partisan witch hunt. Since we don’t know who the next Democrat President will be, that makes it obvious that our motivations are pure. Besides, when you’re doing the work of the American People, typical Washington foot-dragging is unconscionable. Think of the children.”

REPORTER 4: “But isn’t this, like, attempting to overturn an election that hasn’t even happened yet? Don’t you believe in respecting the will of the people? Don’t you think elections are important?

MCCONNELL: “Republicans do believe in elections. Republicans believe that all elections are equally important. But we also respect the view of our esteemed Democratic colleagues, that if an election is won by somebody we don’t like, then that election is less equal than others. That’s what this is all about. Bipartisan respect for one another’s perspectives. Because if Democrats and Republicans can’t see eye to eye on basic concepts of democracy, then our country really is broken. This is about what kind of democracy we’re leaving to our children. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go do the work of the American people. Good day.”

The reporters sit silently, staring at the opposite wall, for a long time. Their facial expressions suggest that they are all doing long division in their heads. After a while, one of them attempts to express the thought which all of them were trying to work out in their highly trained, political minds:


https://ricochet.com/681132/republicans-begin-impeachment-investigation/

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I have received a subpoena signed only by Democrat Chairs who have prejudged this case. It raises significant issues concerning legitimacy and constitutional and legal issues including,inter alia, attorney client and other privileges. It will be given appropriate consideration.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I actually believe that we will see a President impeached and convicted by the Senate.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Personal insults are cowardly and weak and add nothing to the discussion.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Copy paste from various right wing websites don't contribute to reasonable debate

Anonymous said...

lol@Roger the queen of the cut n paste.

Roger how is you 2nd ex doing?

We know how you are doing,🤣

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The DOJ was in the coverup!

September 30, 2019 at 3:07 p.m. PDT
Attorney General William P. Barr has held private meetings overseas with foreign intelligence officials seeking their help in a Justice Department inquiry that President Trump hopes will discredit U.S. intelligence agencies’ examination of possible connections between Russia and members of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election, according to people familiar with the matter.

Barr’s personal involvement is likely to stoke further criticism from Democrats pursuing impeachment that he is helping the Trump administration use executive branch powers to augment investigations aimed primarily at the president’s adversaries.

Solicitation from a foreign power is an act of treason.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Personal insults are cowardly and weak and add nothing to the discussion.

cowardly king obama said...

Roger Amick said...
Copy paste from various left wing websites don't contribute to reasonable debate

Fixed it for you

ROFLMFAO !!!

cowardly king obama said...


I actually believe that we will see the President re-elected and vindicated by the Senate.

Following the proper "discussion" protocol

ROFLMFAO !!!

Donald J. Trump said...

@realDonaldTrump

“He misled (Rep. Adam Schiff) MILLIONS of people for the sake of making the case for impeachment. Completely fabricated account out of thin air!” @MillerStream @BlazeTV

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1178780049610280960


Real News, you should try it sometime.

Donald Trump Jr. said...

@DonaldJTrumpJr

Well now it’s @Twitter! Imagine a scenario where you have 112 million tweet impressions in a 28 day period with 0... yea ZERO new followers! Do you think that’s real or you think I’m being shadow banned there too? Enough with the censorship and the anti-conservative #bias!

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1178787622770167808


This is the world roger wants, no conservative voices at all. Just state news run with the DNC daily talking points. in unison.

Sorry we are not giving in to you and we are going to get our country back.

TRUMP 2020 in a landslide

Ronna McDaniel said...

@GOPChairwoman




Brad Parscale Retweeted Ronna McDaniel
Yep. Fundraising up. Approval up. @SpeakerPelosi probably gave the house away for nothing in return.

These Democrats in swing districts better decide quick if they want to stand with a losing Nancy or represent the constituents that voted them in.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

President Trump’s explanation for asking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden — the basis of an impeachment investigation in the House of Representatives — is that Biden, as vice president, tried to quash an investigation into a Ukrainian company on whose board of directors his son Hunter served.

In 2016, Biden, as a representative of the Obama administration, did demand the firing of Ukraine’s State Prosecutor Viktor Shokin, who had earlier investigated the company, Burisma Holdings, a huge natural gas producer. But the investigation had been dropped by that time, and the European Union and many American allies backed the dismissal of Shokin, who was widely viewed as corrupt.

So although the allegation about Joe Biden has been widely discredited, Republican allies of the president who as a candidate vowed to “drain the swamp” of Washington influence peddling have a fallback issue to pursue: Why was Hunter Biden, who had no evident experience in either Ukraine or the energy business, appointed to the board of directors (for a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month) of a natural gas company in Kiev?

Hunter Biden (Photo illustration: Yahoo News; photos: Teresa Kroeger/Getty Images, AP)
Hunter Biden (Photo illustration: Yahoo News; photos: Teresa Kroeger/Getty Images, AP)
The Trump talking point, which appears to have originated with his lawyer and adviser Rudy Giuliani — that Biden intervened in this case to protect his son’s business interests — has become gospel for many Republicans, as was illustrated in a Sunday exchange between CNN’s Jake Tapper and one of Trump’s most outspoken defenders, Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio.

Jordan: “When they see the vice president’s son getting paid $50,000 a month in a field, in an industry he has no experience in ... and then when the company that’s paying that money is under investigation, guess what? Daddy comes running to the rescue. The vice president of the United States comes running in and says, ‘Fire that prosecutor.’”

Tapper: “That's not what happened. Sir, sir, that’s not what happened. The European Union, the Obama administration, the International Monetary Fund, pro-clean-government activists in Ukraine, [all] thought that the prosecutor was not prosecuting corruption.”

Jordan: “So you’re saying Joe Biden didn’t tell Ukraine to fire that prosecutor? I think he did.”

Tapper: “He did, but the guy was not prosecuting anything. That was the problem.”

Jordan: “Here are the facts —”

Tapper: “You’re not saying facts. You say, ‘Here are the facts,’ these are not.”

Jordan: “Did Joe Biden tell him to fire the prosecutor?”

Tapper: “Because he wasn’t going after corruption. He wasn’t going after corruption. Do you understand what I’m saying?”

While a version of that real-time fact checking played out on other Sunday morning shows this weekend regarding Shokin’s firing, an unavoidable — if tangential — question still remains: Was Hunter Biden in effect trading on his father’s name in winning the lucrative directorship?

“I have had no role whatsoever in relation to any investigation of Burisma, or any of its officers,” Hunter Biden said in a statement to the New York Times in May when asked about Shokin. “I explicitly limited my role to focus on corporate governance best practices to facilitate Burisma’s desire to expand globally.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
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Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

While the younger Biden is a lawyer who had served on the board of directors at Amtrak as well as a number of nonprofit organizations, worked at the Commerce Department during the Clinton administration and was a Washington lobbyist for various universities and U.S. companies, he had no real experience in Ukraine before he joined Burisma Holdings.

Trump has made even more outlandish claims about another of Hunter Biden’s business ventures, a 2013 deal with a Chinese private equity fund, BHR Partners. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff “doesn’t talk about Joe Biden and his son walking away with millions of dollars from Ukraine and then millions of dollars from China. Walking away, in a quick meeting, walking away with millions of dollars,” Trump said in a press conference last week. There is no evidence that Joe Biden made any money at all from the deal, and Trump has thrown around the figure of $1.5 billion, the amount BHR supposedly raised for investments abroad, in a way that implied Hunter Biden personally profited by that amount.

But that is equally true for Trump’s children. Ivanka Trump, for instance, has been awarded 34 trademarks from the Chinese government since her father took office. Some of the trademarks, which include wedding dresses, art valuation services, child care centers, sunglasses and more, extend through 2028, meaning the president’s daughter could well cash in on them once Trump departs the White House.

Moreover, Trump’s insistence that Biden pressured Ukrainian officials so as to aid his son glosses over the fact that Trump, by his own admission, pressured Ukraine’s president to investigate Biden, and that pressure can certainly be seen as aiding his own reelection bid. Now it could lead to his impeachment.

“They did it too” is not exactly a robust defense, whether by the president, his Republican defenders or Democrats. As former Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein noted on CNN, examining the perks received by the children of powerful politicians may be a sideshow, but it’s one that shouldn’t be overlooked.

“Hunter Biden is a legitimate story to be looked at in terms of his role in this Ukrainian gas company. There is nothing that I’m seeing that substantiates Mr. Giuliani’s or the president’s allegations about crooked prosecutors dropping charges because it was Biden,” Bernstein said, adding, “But if anybody has a history of terrible conflict of interest by his children, it is this president of the United States. And we ought to be looking at all of these questions about the children and presidents and vice presidents of the United States in conflicts of interest.”

Glenn Kessler said...

@GlennKesslerWP

A very detailed statement from the IC IG that shows how bogus some recent claims have been -->
https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Documents/News/ICIG%20News/2019/September%2030%20-%20Statement%20on%20Processing%20of%20Whistleblower%20Complaints/ICIG%20Statement%20on%20Processing%20of%20Whistleblower%20Complaints.pdf …

Shem Horne Retweeted Glenn Kessler

That statement shows they changed the form right after the "whistleblower" came forward, is full of doublespeak, and reeks of them trying to cover up their own wrongdoing. Time to investigate the ICIG's handling of this entire situation, as it's clear none of this was credible.

Julie Kelly said...

@julie_kelly2

Both Carlin and McCord have offered effusive praise for Atkinson in the media.

Also why did Atkinson notify House Intelligence and not Senate Intelligence, the committee that confirmed him?


Excellent point and goes to bias and controlling the narrative.

Prosecutor Shokin said...

Jordan: “When they see the vice president’s son getting paid $50,000 a month in a field, in an industry he has no experience in ... and then when the company that’s paying that money is under investigation, guess what? Daddy comes running to the rescue. The vice president of the United States comes running in and says, ‘Fire that prosecutor.’”

Shokin: That is what we were investigating when I got fired.

Tapper: “That's not what happened. Sir, sir, that’s not what happened. The European Union, the Obama administration, the International Monetary Fund, pro-clean-government activists in Ukraine, [all] thought that the prosecutor was not prosecuting corruption.”

Jordan: “So you’re saying Joe Biden didn’t tell Ukraine to fire that prosecutor? I think he did.”

Shokin: The President told me I got fired because of Joe Biden.

Tapper: “He did, but the guy was not prosecuting anything. That was the problem.”

Shokin: But I was investigating Burisma at the time of my firing.

Jordan: “Here are the facts —”

Tapper: “You’re not saying facts. You say, ‘Here are the facts,’ these are not.”

Shokin: Fact is that I was investigating the company Hunter Biden was a part of.

Jordan: “Did Joe Biden tell him to fire the prosecutor?”

Tapper: “Because he wasn’t going after corruption. He wasn’t going after corruption. Do you understand what I’m saying?”

Shokin: I don't understand what your saying, because I was specifically going after Burisma Holdings for possible corruption.

Nick Short said...

@PoliticalShort

@ChuckGrassley demanding answers by DOJ on collusion between the DNC, Clinton campaign, and Ukrainian government. https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/grassley-raises-further-concerns-over-foreign-agent-registration …

https://twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/889911414286163974


Looks like Barr is finally getting responsive to this letter from over 2 years ago. Probably why all the panic from the left and their recent hasty and not well thought out moves.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

ANOTHER CHunTRUTH CLAIM BITES THE DUST

Inspector General Defends Whistleblower

The whistleblower responsible for revealing President Trump’s call to Ukraine was within their rights to do so, the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community said in a statement.

Trump FALSELY claimed the whistleblower was able to do so due to a recent rule change.

_______________

Though the text is confusingly drafted—which may be why the entire preamble was canned—a careful reading shows IT’S NOT erecting A NEW HURDLE for filing a whistleblower complaint, but rather describing the type of evidence the IC IG has to gather to judge the complaint “credible” at the end of its 14-day investigation.

“It’s an explanation of the IG’s standard for assessing credibility,” said Sanchez in an interview with The Daily Beast. “The IG isn’t going to forward it to the DNI if it can’t corroborate secondhand or indirect information. The whistleblower’s job is not to investigate. That is the job of the IG.”

The IC IG responded to the HOAX story with a statement late Monday afternoon, pointing out that, NOT ONLY WAS THERE IN CHANGE IN REQUIREMENTS, in requirements, but Trump’s whistleblower USED THE OLD VERSION OF THE FORM.

“The whistleblower submitted the appropriate Disclosure of Urgent Concern form that was in effect as of August 12, 2019, and had been used by the IC IG SINCE MAY 24, 2018,” the statement noted. “The whistleblower stated on the form that he or she possessed both first-hand and other information. The IC IG reviewed the information provided as well as other information gathered and determined that the complaint was both urgent and that it appeared credible.

In other words, Trump’s whistleblower didn’t go through some shady “deep state” backdoor. He or she followed the process, and GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATORS FOUND THE FIRSTHAND EVIDENCE THEMSELVES.

“Complainant was not a direct witness to President’s telephone call with the Ukrainian President on July 25, 2019,” the IC IG wrote on Aug. 26. “Other information obtained during the preliminary review, however, supports the Complainant’s allegation that, among other things, during the call the President ‘sought to pressure the Ukrainian leader to take actions to help the President’s 2020 reelection bid.’”

SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. (NO I'M NOT.)
:-)

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

BEARS REPEATING:

“The whistleblower stated on the form that he or she possessed BOTH FIRST-HAND AND OTHER INFORMATION. The IC IG reviewed the information provided as well as other information gathered and determined that the complaint was both urgent and that it appeared credible."

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scott, if you actually were a Republican, you would agree with former Senator from Arizona, the home of Barry Goldwater. He lost the election, but he was something Trump is not.

A fiscal conservative, pro Democracy, and a strong national defense Republican. So are most Republicans. But you have surrendered to a man who is unqualified to be the President of the United States of America and for which it stands. I'm a liberal Democrat who wants health care for everyone, but not Medicare for all.

You used to be a decent Republican conservative but.. since Trump. I won't say it again.

Donald Trump, one year into his presidency they wanted a senator who was all in.


But I already had seen too much. Traveling overseas, I witnessed the damage being done to our standing in the world as a result of President Trump’s fondness for authoritarians and his scorn for allies. His hostility toward security alliances and trade agreements had placed our long-term security and our economy at risk. His adoption of the tyrant’s phrase “enemy of the people” put journalists in even greater peril, all over the world. His resentment toward refugees and profane description of certain countries were destroying generations of goodwill.


You should be looking elsewhere, instead of hating liberals.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jeff-flake-fellow-republicans-theres-still-time-to-save-your-souls/2019/09/30/ade876f6-e2d3-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules changed before complaint

ByELIZABETH THOMAS Sep 30, 2019, 7:19 PM ET

Ever since the whistleblower complaint focused on President Donald Trump's Ukraine call was released to the public, he and his allies have repeatedly questioned how the intelligence community handled the matter -- trying to discredit the account because it's based on second-hand information -- not direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing.

GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and the president's other defenders claimed on weekend news shows that rules they said required a whistleblower to have first-hand knowledge were changed, just before the complaint, was filed to allow second-hand information -- and Trump did so himself on Monday.

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
WHO CHANGED THE LONG STANDING WHISTLEBLOWER RULES JUST BEFORE SUBMITTAL OF THE FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT? DRAIN THE SWAMP!

The complaint, which prompted an impeachment inquiry, was based on second-hand knowledge the whistleblower said was gained from other U.S. government officials, and it alleged that Trump abused his office in the July 25 call by repeatedly pressuring Ukraine's president to work with his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and Attorney General William Barr to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden.

The president's supporters have claimed that, in August, prior to the whistleblower filing his complaint about Trump and the July call, the intelligence community changed a rule they say required that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings.

In making the claim, Trump and his supporters referred to a change made on the “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form, which previously had asked if the whistleblower had direct or indirect knowledge.

The intelligence community inspector's general's office released a statement Monday evening disputing any recent change in the whistleblower form.

“With respect to the whistleblower complaint received by the ICIG on August 12, 2019, the ICIG processed and reviewed the complaint in accordance with the law,” read a statement from the intelligence community inspector general's office (ICIG) dated Sept. 30. “The Disclosure of Urgent Concern form the Complainant submitted on August 12, 2019 is the same form the ICIG has had in place since May 24, 2018,” the statement said.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

National security lawyers who specialize in whistleblower complaints told ABC News that whistleblowers have never been required to have direct knowledge of alleged wrongdoing in order to file a complaint.

“In no way, shape or form was anything changed as a matter of law,” said national security lawyer Brad Moss. “The law has never said that a whistleblower couldn't have second information because that would unnecessarily restrict an inordinate amount of whistleblowing allegations coming forward because most people don’t have the first-hand information.”

Irvin McCullough, national security analyst for Government Accountability Project, said that the change made by the intelligence community's chief watchdog Michael Atkinson, in an attempt to revamp and simplify the form, carried no legal weight and did not change any whistleblower laws or protections.

Moss agreed, saying that the previous form caused some confusion for whistleblowers who did not have legal counsel about whether they themselves had to have first-hand knowledge. He agreed as well that changing the form didn't change the law that he said clearly allows a whistleblower to file a complaint with second-hand information.

“The changed form didn’t change anything as a matter of law, nor could they change the law with just a form,” Moss said. “If they wanted to revise the evidentiary threshold that the ICIG [intelligence community inspector general) had to meet, then Congress had to change the law -- it couldn’t be done through a form.

McCullough explained that to file a complaint a whistleblower is required only to have “reasonable belief” of wrongdoing and that, once the complaint is filed, it is up to the inspector general to acquire first-hand information and whether to deem the complaint credible.

“What the old form purported to explain to the whistleblowers was that the ICIG could not find their information credible unless they obtained first hand knowledge of the wrongdoing,” McCullough said.

“This isn’t about the law anymore,” Moss said on why he believes Trump and his supporters are spreading this claim. “This is about political persuasion. It is a good political smear tactic to use to get their allies on board as long as possible and to muddy the waters.”

AND IT HAS NOW BEEN POINTED OUT THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER USED THE OLD FORM.

Sean Davis said...

@seanmdav

Sean Davis Retweeted The Washington Post
The IC IG admitted it just changed its rules. Unbelievably dishonest propaganda here from the paper that is implicated in the Russian collusion hoax and the Christine Blasey Ford hoax.


Amazingly the FAKE NEWS Washington Post "fact checker" had claimed Trumps claim as false. and I see roger is continuing to post from that FAKE NEWS Washington ComPost with the fake never-trumper opinion piece. I thought he said that was not helpful.

ROFLMFAO at the TDS !!!

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

MORE NECK BREAKING NEWS

Democrats Say Trump May Have Lied to Mueller
September 30, 2019 at 9:26 pm EDT

“Lawyers for the House of Representatives revealed on Monday that they have reason to believe that the grand-jury redactions in special counsel Robert Mueller’s report show that President Trump lied about his knowledge of his campaign’s contacts with WikiLeaks,” Politico reports.

“The attorneys made the stunning suggestion in a court filing as part of the House Judiciary Committee’s bid for Mueller’s grand-jury materials, which have remained secret by law.”

Sean Davis said...

‏@seanmdav

The ICIG office admits it changed the form in August without notice and eliminated the guidance requiring first-hand knowledge of wrongdoing.

Incredible gaslighting by Democrat-aligned media going on here.
---------------------------------------
I don't know how much clearer the IC IG could have been in its previous whistleblower guidance than saying, in all caps, "FIRST-HAND INFORMATION REQUIRED."

Anyone who claims the IC IG never required first-hand evidence is being deliberately dishonest.


that would be the lying pastor"

Anonymous said...

Jane is the "Faults Witness".

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Fact check: Were whistleblower rules changed before Ukraine complaint?

NO.

“The law was not changed. What happened was a form was changed. A form cannot change the law,” one attorney told NBC News.

Fact check: Trump's claims about whistleblower
Sept. 30, 2019, 5:21 PM CDT
By Jane C. Timm

President Donald Trump and his allies advanced a conspiracy theory about the Ukraine whistleblower over the last few days alleging that the intelligence community had recently changed the rules requiring whistleblowers to base their claims on first-hand information.

But the law hasn’t changed, and there is no requirement that whistleblowers stick to first-hand information in their complaints precisely because those filings are designed to trigger official investigations that would uncover such first-hand information, three attorneys who represent whistleblowers told NBC News.

“The whistleblower does not need to prove right off the bat with direct evidence what they’re claiming,” explained Eric Bachman, an attorney with Zuckerman Law who represents whistleblowers. “That type of direct evidence is frankly hard to come by. Instead, the whistleblower needs to have a reasonable belief that something illegal has occurred, and then it’s up to the inspector general to investigate.”

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
WHO CHANGED THE LONG STANDING WHISTLEBLOWER RULES JUST BEFORE SUBMITTAL OF THE FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT? DRAIN THE SWAMP!

The Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community released a statement confirming that there is no requirement for first-hand information in such a complaint and said they had not rejected complaints on that basis. The form was changed this summer, when new employees began reviewing forms.

"In the process of reviewing and clarifying those forms, and in response to recent press inquiries regarding the instant whistleblower complaint, the ICIG understood that certain language in those forms and, more specifically, the informational materials accompanying the forms, could be read — incorrectly — as suggesting that whistleblowers must possess first-hand information in order to file an urgent concern complaint with the congressional intelligence committees."

The Ukraine whistleblower, the statement noted, used both first-hand and second-hand information in the complaint.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

After a whistleblower complaint is transmitted to an inspector general, the independent government watchdog reviews the allegation to determine whether it is credible. That could mean reviewing documents and interviewing witnesses, Bachman said. If the complaint deemed credible, the inspector general will send it to Congress for further investigation.

“Most of the complaints I’m familiar with have had some second-hand information,” Bachman said.

The president and his allies widely shared a story in conservative outlet The Federalist, which reported that a previous version of an intelligence community whistleblower form had included a paragraph stressing the importance of first-hand information in complaints transmitted from the inspector general to Congress.

A new form, which asks respondents to check a box if they are reporting first- or second-hand information, was posted days before the Ukraine whistleblower's complaint was declassified and released to the public.

Bachman said the whistleblower form that the news site focused on was “poorly worded and hard to make much sense of, which could be the reason it was revised."

David Colapinto, an attorney with Kohn, Kohn, and Colapinto who represents whistleblowers, and who is a co-founder of the National Whistleblower Center, said whistleblowers need only have a "reasonable belief" that wrongdoing occurred. The claim that the Ukraine whistleblower hadn't followed procedure or somehow shouldn't be protected as a whistleblower was "ridiculous," he said.

Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire told Congress last week that the Ukraine whistleblower had followed the law.

"I want to stress that I believe that the whistleblower and the inspector general have acted in good faith throughout," Maguire said at a House Intelligence hearing Thursday. "I have every reason to believe that they have done everything by the book and followed the law."

In addition, the intelligence community's inspector general, Michael Atkinson, deemed the complaint an "urgent concern" that he was required by law to provide to the congressional intelligence committees. But Maguire refused to do so on the advice of the Justice Department, resulting in a standoff with Congress that ultimately resulted in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi backing a formal impeachment inquiry against Trump.

Still, defenders of the president have attacked the Ukraine whistleblower for writing second-hand information into his complaint, even after some of that information has been publicly corroborated by a call memo released by the White House.

Trump has called the complaint "a fraud" and "fake," saying his phone call with the Ukrainian president — in which he sought an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son — was "perfect."

Trump has spread numerous conspiracy theories related to the whistleblower complaint in an apparent attempt to discredit the allegations that have prompted impeachment proceedings. He tweeted the Federalist story on Saturday before re-upping the claim again on Monday.

Bradley Moss, an attorney who specializes in representing whistleblowers, said when asked about the Federalist story, “The law was not changed. What happened was a form was changed. A form cannot change the law."

Moss is a partner at Mark Zaid, P.C., the firm representing the Ukraine whistleblower, but he said he is completely "walled off" from the individual's representation.

The intelligence community inspector general's statement Monday clarifying the reasons for changing the whistleblower complaint forms came after Republican Sens. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, Chuck Grassley of Iowa, and Mike Lee of Utah penned a letter to Atkinson on Monday asking about the form revision.

cowardly king obama said...


Now we have a deep state IC IG not following the rules:

"The IC IG cannot transmit information via the ICWPA based on an employee's second-hand knowledge of wrongdoing."


I guess he proved he could, even if it meant not following the law.

Anonymous said...

oh look the drunk stagger to his feet

two faced.

"Roger AmickSeptember 30, 2019 at 6:37 PM

Personal insults are cowardly and weak and add nothing to the discussion."



Anonymous said...

"Your man love shows a bisexual tendency!" Roger two Faces

cowardly king obama said...


For those who want to read it for themselves and not trust left-wing MSM or media

"The IC IG cannot transmit information via the ICWPA based on an employee's second-hand knowledge of wrongdoing."

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1178713113429983232


should be crystal clear unless you have TDS or can't think

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

LOL LOL LOL LOL

Poor, poor Cowardly.

He will believe the Liar in Chief no matter what.

"The IC IG cannot transmit information via the ICWPA based on an employee's second-hand knowledge of wrongdoing."

But the whistleblower offered both first-hand and second-hand imformation that held up to investigation as "credible."

But DO repeat the lie again. It worked for Hitler and for Goebbels.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

That is to say, it worked FOR A WHILE.

Anonymous said...

The DemStream Media wetting themselves with "President Polosi".

constitutional illiterate

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Constitutional Retards.
"HILLARY CLINTON: I believe he knows he’s an illegitimate president. He knows. He knows, There’s a bunch of different reasons for why the election turned out the way it did. I take responsibility for those parts of it that I should. But Jane, it was like applying for a job and getting 66 million of letters of recommendation and losing to a corrupt human tornado. And so I know that he knows this wasn’t on the level. I don’t know we’ll ever know everything that happened, but clearly we know a lot and are learning more every day and history will probably sort it all out. So of course he’s obsessed with me. And I believe it’s a guilty conscience, in so much as he has done"
Hillary

cowardly king obama said...

But DO repeat the lie again. It worked for Hitler and for Goebbels. and the "pastor"

So exactly what was that first-hand information he had when he neither was on the call nor had read the transcript and as I recall he had initially stated?

You are vouching for him so provide us with your knowledge.

Or most likely another dance

ROFLMFAO !!!

C.H. Truth said...

Actually there really isn't an argument so much as a semantic different. Pretty much both sides suggest that this document has been the same since May of 2018. One side suggest (and the other does not deny) that there were changes done at that time.

The Federalist and several other sources have linked the document that had been in play prior to May of 2018 and there had been a portion of the disclosure form that stated that the ICIG must be in possession of reliable first hand information. Unless multiple media outlets are quite literally photo-shopping the original form, it would appear that there has been a change.

What is not true are allegations that the change was approved on August 5th and that the Compliant came in on the 6th. However, it's still pretty damned likely that this document and requirement has changes "since" Trump became President.

cowardly king obama said...


and remember it had to be URGENT

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Keep it up, Ch. I must admit that of all the things you've said for a long, long time, the charge that the form was changed for the sake of the whistleblower bothered me the most. I hate that sort of thing.

But I waited, keeping it all in mind, and now I see. The charge was baseless. AND BESIDES, THE WHISTLEBLOWER USED THE OLD FORM, NOT THE NEW ONE.

AND THE LAW ITSELF HAS NOT CHANGED. EVEN A CHANGE IN THE FORM WOULD NOT HAVE CHANGED THE LAW.

BUT YOU WILL KEEP ON, I KNOW, LOL

cowardly king obama said...

the "pastor" said

But the whistleblower offered both first-hand and second-hand imformation that held up to investigation as "credible."

and

AND BESIDES, THE WHISTLEBLOWER USED THE OLD FORM, NOT THE NEW ONE.


I asked what was that first hand information that was urgent

and the old form said in caps "FIRST-HAND INFORMATION REQUIRED." so we agree that it needed to first hand.

BUT HE STILL HASN'T PROVIDED THAT CRITICAL INFORMATION and urgent.

WAITING "pastor" or we will assume you don't have anything

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The President is losing the argument on impeachment. In just one week, the poll results showed a huge difference.

Support for Trump impeachment, removal grows by 10 points in a week:

A survey from Quinnipiac University Poll released Monday found respondents evenly split, 47 percent to 47 percent, on whether they support impeaching President Trump and removing him from office, a 10-point swing in favor of impeachment over a five-day period.

The polling firm previously found voters opposed to impeachment and removal, 57 percent to 37 percent, in a poll released Sept. 25. The shift is largely driven by increased support of impeachment among Democrats, who support it 90 percent to 5 percent in the newest poll, up from 73 percent to 21 percent last week.

Support for impeachment and removal also increased among independents, from 34 percent (with 58 percent opposed) to 42 percent with just 50 percent opposed. Republican support was largely unchanged, with respondents 95 percent to 4 percent opposed last week and 92 percent to 7 percent opposed this week.

A majority of voters, 52 percent, said they specifically support the impeachment inquiry announced last week by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), with independents supporting it 50 percent to 45 percent.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Hmm. Pompeo was listening in on the infamous phone call with the President of Ukraine when he asked for assistance.

Just speculating, is Pompeo the whistleblower?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

This is very disturbing.

Like many authoritarians, he depends on getting people to accept a big lie or to give up on the idea of truth altogether.

But the new polling shows that most Americans are in support of the impeachment trial, we will see.


The Republicans are facing a dilemma, I hope that they find a way out from the incompetent and dangerous man.

Myballs said...

Photo has surfaced from 2014 of Joe Biden golfing with Hunter and an executive from that Ukraine has company Joe said he never discussed. Oops.

And Trump may be an ass, but only an idiot would call him incompetent. He's given the country peace and prosperity with a historic job market and rising wages.

Myballs said...

It's being reported that the sudden push for a quick impeachment, even over manufactured hearsay, is because democrats have seen some of the indictments that are coming against some deep state obama administration officials. This is why the media is now on hyperdrive against Trump and Barr.

Anonymous said...



This is why the media is now on hyperdrive against Trump and Barr.

that, coupled with the fact that the timelines suggest this entire thing was a set-up.

in spite of the asinine polls the alky keeps spouting, trump is in the driver's seat on this deal. the house get's to have their fun, and then, as the media has just begun to figure out, trump get's his turn in the senate. and there will be blood. lots of it. all pouring from the 0linsky-ite traitors who attempted a palace coup.

when the time is right, trump should command the construction of a gallows on the national mall. one large enough to hang at least a dozen. and have it painted blue, topped with the 0linsky logo.

just to fuck with everyone.

Anonymous said...

Roger can not actually be as stupid as he appears here and on his Facebook .

it has to be an act.

Anonymous said...




A letter emerged late on Monday from the Australian government that directly disputed the accuracy of a New York Times report that claimed that President Donald Trump “pushed” Australia to help Attorney General William Barr investigate the origins of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation in an attempt to “discredit” the investigation in what The Times claimed was an example of Trump “using high-level diplomacy to advance his personal political interests.”

The letter, reported by Nine News Australia’s Kerrie Yaxley, is dated May 28, 2019, from Australian Ambassador Joe Hockey to Barr, and states:

Dear Attorney General,

I refer to President Trump’s announcement on 24 May that you will investigate the origins of the Federal Bureau of Investigations probe into Russian links to the 2016 US election.

I note that the President referred to Australia, the United Kingdom and the Ukraine as potential stakeholders. Moreover, I note that he has declassified intelligence material to support your investigation.

The Australian Government will use its best endeavors to support your efforts in this matter. While Australia’s former High Commissioner to the United Kingdom, The Hon. Alexander Downer, is no longer employed by the government, we stand ready to provide you with all the relevant information to support your inquiries.

The Acting White House Chief of Staff, The Honorable Michael Mulvaney, has been copied on this letter.

Yours sincerely,

The Hon Joe Hockey


The development comes after The New York Times tried to suggest that it was a scandal for Trump to ask for Australia to cooperate with an ongoing Department of Justice (DOJ) into the origins of the Russia investigation.

Shortly after The Times’ report was published, a source at the DOJ pushed back on it, telling Fox News: “The countries have been helpful. There was no pressing required.”


https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-letter-from-australian-official-emerges-that-casts-doubt-on-new-york-times-report


heh.

the shitstains at the NY Times just can't help themselves.



Anonymous said...

Team Trump is "drinking the Socialism Democrats Milk Shake".

Anonymous said...

The Left is calling for Impeachment of
Trump
Pence
Barr
US Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh

why? no one here knows. Other then the raw red hot Hate of the Socialist Democrats .

Anonymous said...

The new York Times should be ashamed.

Anonymous said...



From being appointed senior MBNA vice president (two years out of law school), to a gift of a 2.8-carat diamond from a Chinese energy tycoon, to Burisma Holdings . . .

Late Summer 2006: Hunter Biden and his uncle, James Biden, purchase the hedge fund Paradigm Global Advisors. According to an unnamed executive quoted in Politico in August, James Biden declared to employees on his first day, “Don’t worry about investors. We’ve got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden.” At this time, Joe Biden is months away from becoming chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and launching his second bid for president.

The unnamed executive who spoke to Politico charged that the purchase of the fund was designed to work around campaign-finance laws:

According to the executive, James Biden made it clear that he viewed the fund as a way to take money from rich foreigners who could not legally give money to his older brother or his campaign account. “We’ve got investors lined up in a line of 747s filled with cash ready to invest in this company,” the executive remembers James Biden saying.

Both James and Hunter Biden have denied to Politico that James had ever made these comments.

Up until that time, Hunter Biden had been employed as a consultant to the Delaware bank MBNA, with a $100,000-a-year retainer, according to the New York Times. The bank hired him fresh out of law school and in less than two years promoted him to senior vice president. Biden also separately worked as a lobbyist until 2008, founding the firm Oldaker Biden & Belair, where he represented mostly universities and hospitals but also drug companies such as Achaogen Inc. and Pulmatrix Inc., and the music-sharing company Napster and online gambling sites.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/hunter-biden-comprehensive-timeline/


read the whole thing...



Anonymous said...

Mueller we learn was a sham so called investigation.

in his Hearing he did not know Hillary Clinton bought the Steele Fiction piece.
Muller admit he did not know what or who Fusion GPS where.

That was the bright light on the cockroaches of Sococialist Democrats.

Anonymous said...

A peaceful Protestor in Communist China has been shot and killed.

Socialist and Communism always crushes its people.

Anonymous said...




As impeachment frenzy intensifies, the anti-Trump forces are closing in on a scorched earth strategy to weaken and then destroy those who defend the president.

John Solomon has distinguished himself with meticulous research and reporting, including the shoe-leather sort of work shunned by most journalist these days, and produced a series of scoops on the Deep State efforts to remove President Trump from office, or at least damage him while destroying his campaign officials and aides.

In a period of three days, three attacks on Solomon have appeared. Perhaps it is a coincidence, but as the JournoList scandal taught us, progressive journalists do conspire with each other to drive themes in the media. And we know that Solomon's hard work has done severe damage to the plotters seeing to undo a presidential election.

First, on September 26, came the Washington Post, whose headline gave away the game, blaring, "How a conservative columnist helped push a flawed Ukraine narrative."

The next day, The New Republic topped the WaPo for sinister innuendo with "John Solomon's role in laundering Trump's Ukraine scandal is just the latest black mark on the dodgy D.C. newspaper."

The Daily Beast played the role of clean-up hitter the following day, highlighting critics from within The Hill — that "dodgy D.C. newspaper" in the New Republic's view — with "Leaked Memo: Colleagues Unload on John Solomon, the Journo Who Kicked Off Trump's Ukraine Conspiracy."

Enemies of the people, as President Trump calls them?


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/the_long_knives_come_out_for_emthe_hillsem_john_solomon.html


if it weren't for folks like solomon, sara carter, and mollie hemingway we wouldn't know one-tenth as much as we know now, and so many democrats wouldn't be shitting their panties.



Anonymous said...




The Biden clan still needs to explain why a vice president’s son was enjoying a $50,000-per-month gig for which his principal qualification appears to have been his last name. But Joe Biden isn’t the only pillar of the Democratic establishment who won’t enjoy the new spotlight on American relations with Ukraine. And President Donald Trump isn’t the only one who wants a fuller accounting of that country’s role in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

In a letter released on Monday morning, Republican senators Chuck Grassley of Iowa and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin ask U.S. Attorney General William Barr if he’s trying to answer the lingering questions. . . .

The senators aren’t relying on reports from conservative bloggers. The quotations come from a 2017 story in Politico, hardly a pro-Trump outfit. “Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire,” read the headline on the article by Kenneth P. Vogel and David Stern. “Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton,” said the subhead of the article, which was published shortly before Mr. Trump’s inauguration.

The authors reported that Ukrainian government officials “helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers” with the goal of “advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia.”

With the benefit of hindsight and the results of the Mueller investigation, it’s now clear that there was no evidence of Trump campaign collusion with Russia. What is not clear and what demands further investigation is how this baseless claim managed to consume the first two years of an American presidency.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-and-ukraine-11569881729?

Anonymous said...

Rat the dumb fuck still believing trumps conspiracy BS with

The Biden clan still needs to explain why a vice president’s son was enjoying a $50,000-


Maybe the trump clan can explain how an incompetent shit like Eric can be running a multibillion dollar from and how his wonderful daughter got favorable treatment for her business in china.......BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The racist rodent bastard is trying hard to distract attention from the bombshell reports yesterday.

The inquiry is finding more information about the President and Pompeo and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani, has openly admitted to collusion with a Ukraine.

But the nuclear was that Pompeo was listening to the house and his conversation requesting help get dirt on Biden and his son. Who by the way, has been investigated and exonerated.

The President tweeted about 25 times attacking the free press, the FBI and just about everything else in a desperate attempt to distract attention from his impeachable offenses. And the racist rodent bastard, says Seig Heil Mr. President Trump!🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🧨🧨🧨

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

President Trump pushed the Australian prime minister during a recent telephone call to help Attorney General William P. Barr gather information for a Justice Department inquiry that Mr. Trump hopes will discredit the Mueller investigation, according to two American officials with knowledge of the call.

The White House curbed access to a transcript of the call — which the president made at Mr. Barr’s request — to a small group of aides, one of the officials said. The restriction was unusual and similar to the handling of a July call with the Ukrainian president that is at the heart of House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry.

Like that call, Mr. Trump’s discussion with Prime Minister Scott Morrison of Australia shows the president using high-level diplomacy to advance his personal political interests.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump Pressed Australian Leader to Help Barr Investigate Mueller Inquiry’s Origins https://nyti.ms/2oJL1jT

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

President Donald Trump and his allies advanced a conspiracy theory about the Ukraine whistleblower over the last few days alleging that the intelligence community had recently changed the rules requiring whistleblowers to base their claims on first-hand information.

But the law hasn’t changed, and there is no requirement that whistleblowers stick to first-hand information in their complaints precisely because those filings are designed to trigger official investigations that would uncover such first-hand information, three attorneys who represent whistleblowers told NBC News.

“The whistleblower does not need to prove right off the bat with direct evidence what they’re claiming,” explained Eric Bachman, an attorney with Zuckerman Law who represents whistleblowers. “That type of direct evidence is frankly hard to come by. Instead, the whistleblower needs to have a reasonable belief that something illegal has occurred, and then it’s up to the inspector general to investigate.”


Donald J. Trump

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The Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community released a statement confirming that there is no requirement for first-hand information in such a complaint and said they had not rejected complaints on that basis. The form was changed this summer, when new employees began reviewing forms.

"In the process of reviewing and clarifying those forms, and in response to recent press inquiries regarding the instant whistleblower complaint, the ICIG understood that certain language in those forms and, more specifically, the informational materials accompanying the forms, could be read — incorrectly — as suggesting that whistleblowers must possess first-hand information in order to file an urgent concern complaint with the congressional intelligence committees."

The Ukraine whistleblower, the statement noted, used both first-hand and second-hand information in the complaint.


Trump is trying to attack the whistleblower and expose him to danger.

They know how much damage he or she. But the person will not be under cut.

This is a parallel to deep throat, in the Nixon impeachment process.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community released a statement confirming that there is no requirement for first-hand information in such a complaint and said they had not rejected complaints on that basis. The form was changed this summer, when new employees began reviewing forms.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Bye the way I have been sober for 2,654 days.

Commonsense said...

Trump is trying to attack the whistleblower and expose him to danger.

There's a question I've been asking for the last couple of days and no one can or will answer it.

Danger from whom? This whistleblower hasn't gotten death threats nor is there and active conspiracy to do him/her harm. Indeed nobody knows the identity of this person.

It all sounds like a dodge to keep from the whistleblower from testifying in public and being cross-examined as is Trump's 6th amendment rights.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

WHO CHANGED THE LONG STANDING WHISTLEBLOWER RULES JUST BEFORE SUBMITTAL OF THE FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT? DRAIN THE SWAMP!
Twitter tirade.

His own Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community released a statement confirming that there is no requirement for first-hand information in such a complaint and said they had not rejected complaints on that basis. The form was changed this summer, when new employees began reviewing forms.

He's feeling the pressure from both sides and he is getting desperate.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Since the impeachment process is not a criminal investigation, the President cannot use the 6th amendment to escape the release of the whistleblower report.

Is he or she in danger, Trump's allies in Saudi Arabia had tortured and murdered a columnist for the Washington Post.

Commonsense said...

So Roger you're basically good with star chamber tactics.

Fortunately, the American public is not. Just try to hold a hearing without any semblance of fairness. The Democrats will be punished.

Commonsense said...

Is he or she in danger, Trump's allies in Saudi Arabia had tortured and murdered a columnist for the Washington Post.

This is your justification? You've gone batshit insane.

And it proves my point. This is nothing but a dodge.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

By ignoring government protections afforded a whistleblower Trump continues lawlessness!

Myballs said...

You do know that Saudi Arabia was a US ally when obama was president too?

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

COMMENSA SAYS
It all sounds like a dodge to keep the whistleblower from testifying in public and being cross-examined as is Trump's 6th amendment rights.

JAMES SAYS
Why should Trump have a right to question someone who only said, I heard from others that they had first-hand knowledge that you did something that is quite obviously wrong, and can name those others?

Trump's "right" to question would then apply only to those others, since it is they, and not the whistleblower, who are either admitting or charging that they have first-hand knowledge about something Trump did that they found very disturbing and troubling, so disturbing and troubling that some of them tried to keep it hidden from the public.

Those who looked into what the whistleblower said that those others had said found the whistleblower's statement to be 'credible.' And THAT is Trump's problem, the statements of those others, not the statement of the whistleblower.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

COMMENSA: cDanger from whom? This whistleblower hasn't gotten death threats nor is there and active conspiracy to do him/her harm. Indeed nobody knows the identity of this person.

JAMES: We can be pretty sure that the identity will probably be revealed somehow, somewhere. And the death threat has already come from a "President" who has said the whistleblower should be treated like we used to treat other "spies and traitors."
wink wink nudge nudge.

In America, calling public officials to account for their actions does not make you a spy or a traitor, Mr. Trump. That was the going game in Hitler's Germany and in Stalin's Soviet Union, but not here. Not yet. And we are not going to let you take us there.

Commonsense said...

JAMES SAYS
Why should Trump have a right to question someone who only said, I heard from others that they had first-hand knowledge that you did something that is quite obviously wrong, and can name those others?


Because we are not the Soviet Union --- yet.

Commonsense said...

JAMES: We can be pretty sure that the identity will probably be revealed somehow, somewhere. And the death threat has already come from a "President" who has said the whistleblower should be treated like we used to treat other "spies and traitors."
wink wink nudge nudge.


You can only get there with a dishonest interpretation of what he said. Stop wasting everybody's time.

cowardly king obama said...

(james) You can only get there with a dishonest interpretation of what he said. Stop wasting everybody's time.

But DO repeat the lie again. It worked for Hitler and for Goebbels. and the "pastor"


still waiting (well not really, we both know the truth).

ROFLMFAO !!!

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

LOL I called it right.

Commonsense said...

You're the only one.

cowardly king obama said...

James said...
LOL I called it right.


At least the lying POS "pastor" is consistent.

Saying you are right is not being right.

But DO repeat the lie again. It worked for Hitler and for Goebbels and is being tried by the "pastor"

often

but try to project what you are doing to the other side, dems regularly do that.