But more to the point, the relationship of dependency intensified in 2015 due to the flight to Moscow of Ukraine’s president, Viktor Yanukovych. At that point, a new Ukrainian government more to the Obama administration’s liking, under President Petro Poroshenko, came to power. It was desperate for American help, financially and security-wise, which is why Vice President Biden was in a position to pressure it into firing the prosecutor who was conducting a corruption investigation of Burisma, the energy company that had appointed Hunter Biden to its board and was lavishly compensating him.
During the . . . early 2016 weeks when [Alexandra] Chalupa [a Ukrainian-American and DNC operative] was tapping her Ukrainian sources and giving Democrats a heads-up about a potential Manafort-Trump alliance, NABU [Ukraine’s anti-corruption] investigators and Ukrainian prosecutors journeyed to Washington. There, the Obama administration arranged for them to huddle with the FBI, the Justice Department, the State Department, and the White House’s National Security Council (agencies that coordinated frequently throughout the collusion caper).
Andrii Telizhenko, a political officer at Ukraine’s embassy in Washington, later told The Hill’s John Solomon that the U.S. officials uniformly stressed “how important it was that all of our anti-corruption efforts be united.” The officials also indicated to their Ukrainian counterparts that they were keen to revive the investigation of payments by Yanukovych’s ousted Party of Regions government to an American political consultant — i.e., the FBI’s Paul Manafort probe [that was reportedly closed without a recommendation of charges in 2014] . . .
See the way the game is played: When the Obama administration leans on Ukraine for help in an investigation of political opponents, the Democrats and the media say, “But look how corrupt Paul Manafort was!” When the Trump administration leans on Ukraine for help in an investigation of political opponents, the Democrats and the media say, “Abuse of power — impeach him!”
The fact is that what Obama did was pretty much the same thing as what Trump is being accused of, with only difference being that the original investigation into Paul Manafort was not shut down for any political reasons. It was shut down (both in the U.S. and Ukraine) for lack of evidence of a crime. As it stands, a Democratic operative tied to Manafort was just acquitted in a DC court of much of the same thing that Manafort was convicted for, in spite of much of the evidence being exactly the same. So the Manafort situation either proves that the DC jury pool (of 95% Democrats) was out to get him, regardless of the evidence or that same jury pool was not going to find a Democrat guilty regardless of the evidence. Either way, politics played a bigger role than the facts in those cases.
So, yeah... Obama did the same thing as Trump and nobody from the left (or right) called for his impeachment. That's because prior to Trump being elected President, we were basically a country of adults. Now, half the country are crybaby toddlers who are still throwing a temper tantrum because the bad orange man won. They will look for any dishonest hypocritical reason to call for his removal of office.
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BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
This has been one of the most disingenuous arguments I have seen
You mean like the perfect phone call with no pressure, Lil Scotty????? Pressure is not mentioned in the law is it???? But soliciting help by asking for a favor sure stinks like trumps old white fat ass!!!!!
The prosecutor was corrupt and they removed him from office. Not because the President was assisting Vice President Biden and his son.
If Trump stood on 5th Avenue and murdered 20 people, you would accuse the press for showing the bleeding victims of bias against Trump.
Here is an article from the Hill talking about the same thing:
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/440730-how-the-obama-white-house-engaged-ukraine-to-give-russia-collusion
For all those people who believe that it was a "lie" that Obama garnered Ukrainian help to reengage the Manafort investigation (after he was tied to Trump).
So Democrats did not and would not have objected to Obama doing what Trump did. That is just a giant pile of B.S. As long as whatever he did served a political purpose, Obama could do no wrong. Certainly anything that is done to undermine Trump is warranted (rather than declared election interference).
More than 300 national intelligence veterans.
More than 300 former U.S. national security and foreign policy officials have signed a statement warning that President Trump’s actions regarding Ukraine are a “profound national security concern” and supporting an impeachment inquiry by Congress to determine “the facts.”
“To be clear, we do not wish to prejudge the totality of the facts or Congress’ deliberative process,” said the statement, released Friday. “At the same time, there is no escaping that what we already know is serious enough to merit impeachment proceedings.”
The collection of signatures was set in motion by National Security Action, an organization founded and largely populated by officials from the Obama administration to call attention to Trump’s “reckless leadership.”
Many of the signers are former Obama officials. But the list includes others who served as career officials in both Democratic and Republican administrations, including Matthew Olsen, head of the Justice Department’s national security division under President George W. Bush and director of the National Counterterrorism Center under President Barack Obama.
What is in the declassified Trump whistleblower compliant?
Career diplomats also include William Burns, former assistant secretary of state for Near East affairs, undersecretary for policy and ambassador to Russia under Bush, and deputy secretary under Obama; Nancy McEldowney, former Bush ambassador to Bulgaria and deputy chief of mission to Turkey; and Jeffrey Feltman, who served in senior State Department positions beginning in the George H.W. Bush administration and for nearly six years as undersecretary general at the United Nations until his 2018 retirement.
Former officials from the intelligence community, the Defense Department, the National Security Council and the Department of Homeland Security also signed the statement.
“As national security professionals, many of us have long been concerned with President Trump’s actions and their implications for our safety and security,” the statement said. “Some of us have spoken out, but many of us have eschewed politics throughout our careers and, as a result, have not weighed in publicly.
“The revelations of recent days, however, demand a response,” it said. “. . . President Trump appears to have leveraged the authority and resources of the highest office in the land to invite additional foreign interference into our democratic processes.”
The statement continued: “If we fail to speak up — and act — now our foreign policy and national security will officially be on offer to those who can most effectively fulfill the President’s personal prerogatives.”
Serious and experienced intelligence veterans have much more credibility than a politically motivated partisan opinion writer.
@EenaRuffini
Scoop: Senior Govt Official tells @CBSNews Counselor to the State Department Ulrich Brechbuhl was NOT on the @POTUS call with #Zelensky, as the whistle blower complaint states.
Emerald Robinson
Retweeted Christina Ruffini
If you're just some CIA dude who didn't hear the call, or know any details, but you still file some whistleblower complaint that starts impeachment proceedings against Trump by citing Buzzfeed articles - then you're not trying to save the republic. You're starting a civil war.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/statement-from-national-security-professionals/07f4f1e1-f393-4e11-97e5-1361dcbc6fc3/?tid=lk_interstitial_manual_3
@seanmdav
It's not just gossip/innuendo: the anti-Trump leaker's complaint is also riddled with factual errors. He says Trump told Zelensky to give the Crowdstrike servers to the U.S, and that Trump told him to hire a prosecutor. The transcript shows no such thing.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/26/complaint-from-so-called-whistleblower-is-riddled-with-gossip-blatant-falsehoods/
This whole Ukraine deal is going to blow up higher than anything ever before.
It has Soros and Obama administration fingerprints all over it.
Part of the Biggest political scandal of all-time
Need a refill on the popcorn...
“The revelations of recent days, however, demand a response,” it said. “. . . President Trump appears to have leveraged the authority and resources of the highest office in the land to invite additional foreign interference into our democratic processes.”
What may have happened in the past, are irrelevant in regards to the actions of the current occupant of the White House.
If the President was 10% as bad as Democrats make him out to be, then they wouldn't have to keep lying and making crap up.
That Adam Schiff display (which he declared to be a parody) was truly telling. He literally went in front of the United States on National Television and made stuff up to make the President look bad.
If having Schiff in congress wasn't a constant reminder of how corrupt and dishonest Democrats have become, I would say he should be called on to resign.
When has our country supported someone just blatantly lying to the American public to the point where the only excuse is to say it was a parody of events?
The answer... when a third of the country has lost their collective minds.
House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.): "You don't have any reason to accuse them of disloyalty to our country or suggest that they are beholden to some other country, do you?
Maguire: "Sir, absolutely not. I believe the whistleblower followed the steps every step of the way."
Schiff: "I'm just asking about the whistleblower right now."
Maguire: "Yes, I think the whistleblower did the right thing. I think he followed the law every step of the way."
Approximately 45% of the country has lost their collective minds since Donald Trump became President.
The argument that the Democrats are trying to overturn the President's victory is total bullshit.
This President has admitted that he believes that he can do anything he wants, under the Constitution.
We have three branches of the for a reason. The executive should not have the right to do anything it wants.
This President provides a clear and present danger to the Constitution of the United States and for which it stands.
Roger Amick said...
More than 300 national intelligence veterans....
Former officials from the intelligence community, the Defense Department, the National Security Council and the Department of Homeland Security also signed the statement.
Out of how many 100's of thousands, actually millions ?
are you posting this because it is pathetically small ?
or because these people are derelict on their duty of being non-partisan ?
The president of the United States used taxpayer dollars to shake down the leader of another country for his own political gain. Solicitation for political purposes is again the law.
C.H. Truth said...
If the President was 10% as bad as Democrats make him out to be, then they wouldn't have to keep lying and making crap up.
That Adam Schiff display (which he declared to be a parody) was truly telling. He literally went in front of the United States on National Television and made stuff up to make the President look bad.
If having Schiff in congress wasn't a constant reminder of how corrupt and dishonest Democrats have become, I would say he should be called on to resign.
If we had an independent free press not democrat lap-dogs this would have long ago happened.
But let's see what happens when the IG report on FISA abuse and spying comes out. Weird how this whole Ukraine stuff comes out just before that report... Almost like it was planned
Has Adam Schiff Apologized the the Nation Yet?
Using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 election is grounds for #impeachment.
Where did all the DemStream Media talk about recession go?
Roger, is spectacularly wrong , again.
Who is banging your ex's.
The whistleblower's complaint says President Trump tried to get Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election, and the White House tried to cover it up.
Impeachment inquiry: At least 219 House Democrats — more than half of the 435 members.
The White House staff is in panic mode.
Roger Amick said...
Using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 election is grounds for #impeachment.
Asking a foreign country to look into it's 2016 actual election interference scares the hell out of roger and the democrats.
Probably rightly so.
That prosecutor was not corrupt. John Solomon has docs addressing this.
Impeachment inquiry: At least 219 House Democrats — more than half of the 435 members.
PLEASE VOTE ON THIS AND DO THIS. While Republicans obviously are against impeachment, if democrats are serious then pass this.
Then both sides of the aisle can subpoena and bring witnesses.
We shall then see who is really right
And I'm real confident, apparently unlike the democrats
Schiff's parody is drawing attention, but who gives a shit?
Very sad, the only defense LilScotty can offer is obama did it also while not a single R congress critter has stepped forward to defend trump and his bribery......WOW....that sure is telling on what is winning!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
To show you how dishonest the LameStream Media is, I used the word Liddle’, not Liddle, in discribing Corrupt Congressman Liddle’ Adam Schiff. Low ratings @CNN purposely took the hyphen out and said I spelled the word little wrong. A small but never ending situation with CNN!
He's a little bit crazy.
what are the Current winning policies of Warren/Sanders ticket?
what Date has the Squatters set for an impeachment vote?
The only reason CH would cause him to deserted Trump is, if a DNA test results would show that he's from Kenya.
Socialist Democrats where did your recession go?
"Durable goods orders Aug. 0.2%"
Socialist Democrats where did your recession go?
Same question on the other thread you dumb fuck....I answered there!!!!!! BTW......orders % sucks the big one you asshole....!!!!
The goat fucking loser leaves off the whole story again....
The Commerce Department says that orders for durable goods edged up 0.2% in August after a much bigger 2% gain in July. The volatile commercial aircraft sector dropped sharply. Orders in a key category used as a proxy for business investment edged down 0.2 per cent, the weakest showing since a 1.1% drop in April.
Again, you prove your lack of intellect by only showing how little your posts can be trusted....BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
"The Crimean Peninsula was annexed by the Russian Federation in February–March 2014 "
The Lost Years.
so the Three Socialist Stooges of CHT are still believing the US Economy is in recession.
@paulsperry_
BREAKING: Judicial Watch announced today it's suing the State Department for all records related to the firing of Ukraine’s top prosecutor after then-Vice President Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 bil in aid & after the prosecutor investigated Biden's son's benefactor Burisma
John Hayward Retweeted Paul Sperry
Golly, I wonder how Judicial Watch was able to beat the stampede of major media organizations that are doubtless eager to obtain these highly relevant documents that would shed light on a major aspect of the current Biggest Story in the World
The goat fucking idiot again speaks out of his old stinky white ass with....
so the Three Socialist Stooges of CHT are still believing the US Economy is in recession.
Those are your words asshole, no one is claiming that !!!!!! You dumb fucking idiot....as I give you another lesson on how stupid your posts are!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
@Doc_0
And now, please enjoy as the people who said it was no big deal when Hillary Clinton hid her correspondence from FOIA requests on an insecure homebrew server that ended up forwarding classified emails to Chinese spies freak out over which server Trump stored transcripts on.
and unlike Hillary who hid and destroyed everything, Joe probably has lots of responsive material to this in government controlled archives
Even Paul Mirengoff (who has been critical of Trump in general and very suspicious of this whole affair, points out the double standard (or hypocrisy as it was).
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/09/double-standards-anyone-part-two.php
Pointing out that the same democrats who supported the previous Adminstration asking for Ukrainian help in politically tainted investigation, as well as some of the same Democrats who sent a letter to Ukraine demanding compliance...
Now see asking Ukraine for anything is an impeachable offense.
Once again, this is blowing up on the idiots.
They just can not Win on Policy.
lo iq, why do you continuously want to remind people how stupid you are?
HINT : WE ALREADY KNOW
of course now we will get a bunch more idiotic bleating and a recap of his deviant sexual fantasies having to do with white asses or barnyard animals in response.
* white male asses
Rudolph W. Giuliani spent months cultivating current and former prosecutors in Ukraine with a particular goal: Help President Trump in next year’s election by ensuring that Ukrainian authorities pursued allegations that could damage his Democratic rivals.
But the effort hit a snag. Political neophyte and comedian Volodymyr Zelensky — who once played a Ukrainian president on a television sitcom — swooped in last spring and became the president of Ukraine for real. Some of Giuliani’s efforts were thrown in doubt. One of the prosecutors Giuliani initially saw as an ally made public comments undermining his claims against former vice president Joe Biden. How Zelensky would act was unknown.
“New Pres of Ukraine still silent on investigation of Ukrainian interference in 2016 election and alleged Biden bribery of Pres Poroshenko,” Giuliani tweeted on June 21, without evidence of the allegations, referring to the former president, Petro Poroshenko, whom Zelensky defeated. “Time for leadership and investigate both if you want to purge how Ukraine was abused by Hillary and Obama people.”
The frustration helps explain why Trump, ahead of a July 25 phone call that is now the subject of a whistleblower complaint and a congressional impeachment inquiry, turned up the heat.
Facing doubt about Zelensky’s willingness to work with Giuliani, Trump suspended military aid to Ukraine on July 18. Days later, Zelensky’s party swept Ukraine’s parliamentary elections, ushering in political newcomers and upping the uncertainty about whether Giuliani’s efforts would come undone.
In the meantime, Trump was withholding a date for a coveted bilateral summit with Zelensky. A congratulatory call with the comedian landed on the books — a chance for Trump to make his wishes clear.
“I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it,” Trump said after Zelensky raised the matter of military aid, according to a rough transcript of the call released by the White House.
Trump told the Ukrainian leader that he should coordinate with Giuliani and Attorney General William P. Barr in investigating the Democratic National Committee’s email server, which Trump suggested was in Ukraine, and probe the activities of Joe Biden and his son Hunter, who served on the board of a Ukrainian gas company while his father was vice president.
The sequence of events is at the heart of an extraordinary whistleblower complaint from an unnamed U.S. intelligence official released Thursday, which warns that Trump was using the power of his office to solicit interference in the 2020 election from Ukraine. Giuliani’s in-person meetings and secretive sessions form a key component of what the whistleblower saw as “a serious or flagrant problem, abuse or violation of law or Executive Order.”
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10217282904797115&id=1007106631
“I would like you to do us a favor
Blogger C.H. Truth said...
Even Paul Mirengof
SO FUCKING WHAT YOU DUMB ASSHOLE.....THERE ARE MANY NOTED NON PLAYERS WHO THINK OTHERWISE!!!!!! The major hypocrisy is you Lil Scotty.....defending what even the R senators won't do!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Asking for a favor about your opponent after holding up $'s is not okay!!!!!! The Ukraine aint as dumb as you think they are....no pressure is not a crime, but asking for something of value is......BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
The more we know of this story the less credibility it has. Democrats have overreached and there a good possibility they will be punished for it.
Ironically it's Elizabeth Warren who has benefitted the most out of this story. The Biden crime family has been exposed and Joe Biden's electability argument has taken a severe hit.
This has happened since 2015 when Trump announced.
"Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you," said Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer"
The more we know of this story the less credibility it has.
BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!!! Yeah, cover ups, hiding data on classified servers to protect the fat white ass of donnie.....shaking down allies for dirt......sure makes the credibility of donnie and you very suspect!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! Good catch cramps!!!!!
I just asked Ch a simple question on the next thread up.
HA!
So Denny... the moving of his private conversations to classified servers is not only perfectly legal, but was apparently required...
Because of all of the ILLEGAL LEAKING
Notice how nothing has been "leaked" in several months and you will begin to realize why this "whistle blower" was frustrated and came up with this nonsense story.
by all accounts this was a CIA agent who was not assigned to have anything of substance to do with the President. He has no legal "reason" or legal "authority" to view diplomatic conversations by the President (which by constitutional authority and the law are privileged).
turns out that his one named source wasn't even privy to the conversation as the complaint stated. So his second hand information was even inaccurate.
Which is why none of the "actual" criminal violations have any actual evidence and the main allegations have been debunked.
And that simple question I asked Ch two threads up was:
Hey, Ch, answer this with a simple, clear cut answer.
You and Trump seem to want to say that his conversation with an Ukrainian official was no serious matter, had nothing harmful or criminal about it, nothing to be upset about.
Why then did the White House start making every attempt to lock it away and hide it from the public almost immediately after it took place, and before anyone outside their circle had even raised objections to it?
Why did some of Trump's own people immediately determine that he had done something so egregious that they had better do everything they could to try to hide it from the public?
Give us a simple answer to that, please.
'We have a Russian asset sitting in the Oval Office'
You and Trump seem to want to say that his conversation with an Ukrainian official was no serious matter. Why?
Don't bring up actions by a previous President.
Answer the fucking question.
And like James said,
Why did some of Trump's own people immediately determine that he had done something so egregious that they had better do everything they could to try to hide it from the public?
Answer the fucking question!
They didn't determine that you dumb fuck.
And this smells more and more like a John Brennan setup.
Answer the fucking question!
the premise to the question is false and without merit, alky.
trump has traitors in the white house who are leaking like a fucking sieve. the info was not hidden, it was secured. trump has every right to do this, and the public has no right to the information.
you demanding an answer to this is fitting, since you are so fucking intellectually vapid and clueless, only a moron like you sees this as a matter of significance.
go find a josh marshall copy/paste to amuse yourself with, idiot.
I rarely read Josh Marshall, but he's a successful blogger with millions of viewers, and CHT is an obscure blogger who has lost his reputation because of Trump
When Trump says, “I would like you to do us a favor though,” he is linking the favor to continued U.S. military assistance to Ukraine. I don’t agree with the policy of providing that assistance on the merits, but withholding it and then using it as a bargaining chip in an attempt to get a foreign government to engage in dirty tricks against a political rival is outrageous. It raises obvious questions about other foreign policy decisions that the president has made and whether he has engaged in similar behavior in dealings with other governments.
Impeachment is the constitutional remedy for such abuses of power. These are exactly the kinds of self-serving abuses that impeachment was designed to check. Abuse of power need not be a crime to be deserving of impeachment, and there is already enough evidence of abuse to warrant finding out just how far the rot goes. Under the circumstances, an impeachment inquiry is entirely appropriate, and that inquiry may bring evidence of more abuses to light. The House should take its time and discover the full extent of the corruption in this administration, and then it should do its constitutional duty.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/a-flagrant-abuse-of-power/
Another crack in the wall.
Another conservative Republican has not lost his mind about Trump.
Rod Dreher comments on the summary of the conversation between Trump and Ukrainian President Zelensky released by the White House:
What I mean is this: whether or not Trump offered a quid pro quo to the Ukrainian president over the Biden investigation, it is becoming clear that he subverted the normal national security and foreign policy process for the sake of personal advantage, by making his personal lawyer a de facto US envoy.
______As a true American I don't agree with a lot of conservative ideas, but most of them are true American people who understand the importance of the Constitution and for which it stands .
There is no question that Trump has committed a serious abuse of power here, and it seems very clear that he abused his power solely for his own perceived political benefit. The White House’s version of the conversation by itself is fairly damning, but the context in which that conversation took place is even more so. Trump had ordered a hold on military assistance to Ukraine a few days earlier. The Ukrainian government would have understood that the decision to withhold the assistance was linked to the president’s desire to start a Biden investigation. Brad Simpson commented on this earlier today:
Good People Don’t Defend A Bad Man.
Rat the dumb fuck posted....
you demanding an answer to this is fitting, since you are so fucking intellectually vapid
A perfect description of just about every R too stupid to see the light!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
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