- The Democrats do not feel it necessary to allow members of Congress to hear testimony or even review the transcripts.
- But they do find it necessary to leak information to the press. Not objective transcripts or the whole story... just what they want the press to report.
Yesterday the GOP members of the House decided to crash the Party. They were there as Representatives of their constituents to listen first hand to the testimony of whatever witness was going to be on the stand.
Democrats would not allow the testimony to continue, because they do not want other members of Congress to get first hand information. They desperately want to control the narrative and control the procedure. Allowing the full Congress to get involved would take that away.
So let's make one thing clear. THE WITNESS COULD HAVE TESTIFIED! In fact, that was sort of the entire point of these other House Representatives. To be there when she did. The decision to not have her testify was on Schiff and the Democrats.
But Schiff tells WaPo, Politico, and NYT that the talking points memo is NOT that the GOP members wanted to participate, but that they wanted to "shut it down". So that's what you hear, and that is what is parroted.
I hope the GOP continues to show up. Every day. Schiff and the Democrats will then have to make a decision to just stop everything, or continue with a full room (and no chance of being able to sneak things by people).
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This is just like Watergate if Watergate happened in 1840 before radio and tv so the public could watch and listen.
And if Trump had actually done anything rising to impeachment level and if the House had voted.
It is also just like a show trial would be run in a banana republic.
Very shameful and the public will soon realize and react.
Fuckfaçe gives PutinTurkey and Syria in exchange for our elections. Isn't that what it fucking comes down to? Fuck, we're doomed.
He is Very shameful and the public will soon realize and react even more as the polls show more support for impeachment and removal from office.
They did try to shut it down. They refused to give up their cell phones.
They should have been arrested.
The Democrats do not feel it necessary to allow members of Congress to hear testimony or even review the transcripts.
There are 47 R's in attendance you dumb fuck....The rules they are following were signed in by John Boehner in 2015.....Matt Gaetz just looked like a giant asshole demanding he be allowed in the room against the Boehner rules....fuck him!!!!
Trump knew about the stunt before they tried to shut down the investigation @ you don't fucking care about the children in Syria who were killed by gunfire and poison gas.
Russian troops have taken over our bases.
what strategic benefit are we to gain by being involved in the Syrian shitshow, oh great flat footed armchair warrior?
For those of you in the back, during the impeachment process, the duties of the House House of Representatives are similar to those of a Grand Jury.
Grand jury proceedings are secret. No judge is present and the defendant has no right to present his case or to be informed of the proceedings at all. While the proceedings are documented, the records are sealed.
They are following the law as determined by the house of Representatives.
what strategic benefit are we to gain by being involved in the Syrian shitshow,
I think avoiding a genocide of the kurds is a strategic interest since the world now perceives the US no longer as a leader but as an untrustworthy ally who is only looking out for trump!!!!! I guess you think it is fine to let Putin kick our asses you dumb fuck... Sad, it only took 3 years to go down the trump shitter!!!!! When you say flatfooted warrior I trust you really meant to say bone spur trump!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
The Socialist Democrats are violating the US Constitution .
The entire House.
The Chicken Hawk Socialist Democrats .
according to the Three Socialist Stooges of CHT the money we give other Nation is done with no expectations of performance.
. Sad, it only took 3 years to go down the trump shitter!!!!!
Fatty the Syrian civil war started 8 years ago well before Bad Orangeman even announced.
But remember what cankles said
“There’s a different leader in Syria now. Many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he’s a reformer.”
--Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, on “Face the Nation,” March 27, 2011
fool
Roger the 2500 sq ft home you now exist in, is your name on the Deed?
The Three Socialist Stooges of CHT act as if the internet doesn't exist and we can't fact check their non-sense .
great job Cali.
years ago well before Bad Orangeman even announced.
Which has what relevance to trump giving up to the russians you dumb fuck!!!!
But remember what candles said
Which has nothing to do with trump bailing on the Kurds and ceding to the russians a prize they have been after for years.....BWAAAAA god you are stupid!!!! Shouldn't you be doing something like work?????
polyamorrous - "Rep. Katie Hill (D-CA) faces a predicament that is a “teachable moment” on the importance of due process rights, which she and other Democrats cast aside in their crusade against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh last year."
oh well.
In grand jury, the prosecutor, judge and jury are not all the same man. Schiff's secret meetings are nothing like it.
The goat fucker posts applause to...
great job Cali.
Only to dumb goat fucking trump supporters like you whose claim to fame is inheriting shitty arid farmland that's only crop is dumb ass kansans......BWAAAAAAAAA!!!
Schiff's secret meetings are nothing like it
And you wonder why I call you a dumb fuck like the rest.....BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
@brithume
where is Mueller anyway, such a spry man "running" such an important investigation, so hand-onsy ?
oops... well lo iq wouldn't have noticed but for anyone else.
@brithume
If a witness’s opening statement were all we could see, think how differently we would feel about Bob Mueller’s testimony in July if all we saw was him reading his statement. The Q&A was revealing, indeed some might say devastating.
where is Mueller anyway, such a spry man "running" such an important investigation, so hand-onsy ?
Which has nothing to do with trump bailing on the Kurds and ceding to the russians a prize they have been after for year
i get that you aren't bright (but you are fat). This should have been handled 8 years ago, its another in a long long line of Obunghole failures
Well...
The three stooges here are defending secrecy and demanding that transparency (as it pertains to something like impeachment) is unimportant.
That is the bottom line.
btw...
For those idiots who liken it to Grand Jury testimony?
Robert Giriadi was sentenced to 97 months in jail for leaking Grand Jury testimony.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/62/943/535685/
I suppose anyone caught leaking any information from these inquiries should be indicted and sent to jail?
No? I thought so...
Btw the house of Representatives has the authority to conduct their hearings in secret. Members of both parties are present in the hearing room. They each have 45 minutes to cross examine, usually with staff lawyers or the members.
Then they get another 30 minute session.
They can leak information because they are not violating the law.
The house of Representatives sets the rules. Scott A**hole, this is similar to a grand jury investigation, but the house of Representatives sets the rules.
They will have public hearings in a week or so before Thanksgiving.
Media narrative collusion is not a crime.
Your too easy to rip apart your arguments.
There will be public hearings and a floor vote on impeachment of the President.
I suspect that a quite a few Republicans will realize that they swore to protect and defend the Constitution, not Donald Trump.
Roger, you said you where going to Release private Data about CHT, why haven't you?
Even worse is that. ....
Twelve House Republicans who stormed a closed-door impeachment hearing in protest on Wednesday already had permission to attend.
Almost every one was an old white man.
They did not address the allegations against President Donald Trump in the impeachment inquiry, which centers on his request to Ukraine's president to investigate Joe Biden, the former vice president and a 2020 Democratic challenger to Trump.
But as Business Insider's Kelly McLaughlin highlighted, there are longstanding rules that witnesses are supposed to be interviewed in a way that can stay classified.
Axios and BuzzFeed News reported that 12 of those Republicans were actually already able to attend the hearing because they sit on relevant committees, including the Oversight or Foreign Affairs committee:
Paul Gosar of Arizona
Mark Green of Tennessee
Jody Hice of Georgia
Jim Jordan of Ohio
Fred Keller of Pennsylvania
Carol Miller of West Virginia
Ralph Norman of South Carolina
Mark Meadows of North Carolina
Scott Perry of Pennsylvania
Steve Watkins of Kansas
Ron Wright of Texas
Lee Zeldin of New York
I'm not the asshole that Scott A**hole is.
Roger the 2500 sq ft home you now exist in, is your name on the Deed?
Democrats Plan Public Impeachment Hearings Soon
House Democrats are preparing to move their largely private impeachment inquiry onto a more public stage as soon as mid-November.
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Trump will be SO pleased to have things brought out for all the American public to see like that.
SO pleased! don't ya think?
As thousands of our troops are going to Saudi Arabia, but they didn't participate in the Normandy invasion, but 15 of them participated in the 9/11 attacks.
Yawn.
Actually, you cannot leak according to Adam Schiff's own rules!
So each and every leak from Democrats is a blatant end around of their own rules and procedures.
House Democrats are preparing to move their largely private impeachment inquiry onto a more public stage as soon as mid-November.
So....w ill they then hold a full House vote to proceed, and follow the same rules and protocol that Nixon and Clinton were afforded.
Or will they just keep making rules up as they go along?
"Democrats "may end up walking away" from their effort to impeach President Donald Trump, predicted Doug Burns, who is a former federal prosecutor in the Criminal Division of the Eastern District of New York and a practicing attorney"
smart move, but Speaker in Name Only Polosi is not smart enough to do it.
Who?
"Tim Ryan drops out of 2020 presidential race"
So are we down to 20 Dwarfs.
GOP 😆 say DEM must follow GOP rules.
GOP 🧐 sneers at protesting.
DEM say GOP 😖 must follow GOP rules.
GOP 🤬 protests
Almost every one was an old white man.
Far younger than your decrepit old ass and the current leaders for POTUS in your party
The house of Representatives has the authority to conduct the investigation into high crimes and misdemeanors as they decide.
Personally I think they have to hold public hearings within a week or so. As you should know is that this is how politics work.
They held secret meetings during the Benghazi investigation, and you didn't have a problem with that!
The house majority sets the rules.
Pelosi is playing a smart sophisticated approach to the investigation into the abuse of power by the President.
Trump actually wants the house to keep having secret meetings, because people like you will never desert him if they keep holding secret meetings.
But Pelosi is playing a better game of poker than he can. Remember that Trump is not an experienced politician. She is.
Boozehound stop the double posting
I'm 5 years younger than the President and I am not 50lbs overweight. I'm 6'3" and about 220 lbs and in good condition.
I'm completely recovered from the liver transplant. And tomorrow I will have been sober for seven years and four months .
I deleted the previous post
To answer your question, I have been reading that Pelosi and Schiff will hold public hearings on the abuse of power. And they will have a vote on impeachment on or before Thanksgiving holiday.
Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) announced on Thursday that he dropped out of the 2020 presidential race.
He wanted to get the Obama coalition, but his polls were at 3%.
What he's saying:
"I got into this race in April to really give voice to the forgotten people of our country: the workers who have been left behind, the businesses who have been left behind, the people who need health care or aren’t getting a quality education, or are saddled by tremendous debt. I'm proud of this campaign because I believe we’ve done that. We’ve given voice to the forgotten communities and the forgotten people in the United States."
— Tim Ryan
Quite a few more will be dropping out of the race.
Pentagon official corroborated damning quid-pro-quo testimony against Trump: reportPublished 1 min ago on October 24, 2019By Brad Reed
Pentagon official Laura Cooper testified on Wednesday at the House of Representatives’ impeachment inquiry, and one reporter says that she largely corroborated the damning testimony delivered by ambassador Bill Taylor.
Kate Brannen, the managing editor at Just Security and a former reporter at Foreign Policy and Politico, says her sources claim that Cooper told House investigators that “there was unanimous support from Trump’s Cabinet and the interagency to supply Ukraine with security assistance” but “the White House withheld it anyway.”
Even more damning, reports Brannen, Cooper testified that “she was made aware of a quid pro quo between the security assistance and a commitment from Ukraine to investigate the Bidens” and she said that the Pentagon “made it clear to the White House that by withholding funds without congressional authorization, it was at risk of violating the law.”
Cooper this week defied instructions from the Department of Defense to not cooperate in the House impeachment probe, and she testified even though Republicans led by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) disrupted her hearing by storming into the SCIF located in the House of Representatives.
More classic Democratic Media narrative collusion?
It is Thecoldheartedtruth that there was a quid Pro quo!
From a friend and a lawyer.
Maybe some people understand this but I feel like a lot of people don’t. As usual, also, the mainstream media is not helping. If I weren’t in the legal field, I wouldn’t know this.
The House is not conducting “hearings.” These are depositions and depositions are private. It’s a procedure that is undertaken before a trial, that puts testimony of witnesses on the record so there are no surprises at a trial.
The parties, in this case, are the committees involved and the witnesses. The committee members are all allowed to have counsel in attendance to ask questions on their behalf. Any and all questions they want to ask.
Many House members, including republicans do in fact have attorneys with them in these depositions.
Despite the claims of the Brooks Brothers who staged dramatic theater yesterday at the depositions, there are even republicans with attorneys in the depositions.
There are 47 republicans in these depositions. Trump supporters, feel free to fact check me on that number.
These depositions are on the record. They will be transcribed and there will be public testimony from these witnesses.
Just be aware when the media and certain politicians are making this out to be more dramatic than it really is, this is standard legal procedure. It takes place in legal venues everyday.
Stay focused everyone and most importantly, stay informed.
Roger, is your name on the deed of your new residence ?
The Wall Street Journal reported that Donald Trump is too stupid to successfully commit crimes.
Graham trying to censure the impeachment as illegal.....fuck him and the bull shit. It is not secret!!!! He is playing to the idiot base like coward the goat fucker Lil Scotty and cramps......All the points he makes will be shot down like the BS of the last couple of days concerning quid's and pressure!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Roger, is your name on the deed of your new residence ?
Is your name really dumb fucking asshole??????
Yep,,,.....what's the message R's.....can't defend the action so attack everything else especially the process which is really not etched in stone anywhere....BTW roger is 10000000% correct....these are not hearings but depositions.....information hunting, not a trial....that is the senates job.....so sad with soooo much stupidity on the right!!!!
By
Toluse Olorunnipa,
Josh Dawsey and
Mike DeBonis
Oct. 23, 2019 at 8:57 p.m. EDT
Republicans’ defense of President Trump grew more frantic and disjointed Wednesday, with House members storming a closed-door meeting, delaying the testimony of an impeachment witness as the GOP grappled with a growing abuse-of-power scandal centered on the president.
A group of Trump’s congressional allies escalated their complaints about the impeachment inquiry by barging into a secure facility on Capitol Hill where a Pentagon official was to testify before the House Intelligence Committee.
Their intrusion, which caused the testimony to be delayed for about five hours over security concerns, came a day after the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine testified under oath that the White House had threatened to withhold military aid unless the Ukrainian government announced investigations for Trump’s political benefit.
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The testimony undercut Trump’s claims of his “perfect” dealings with Ukraine and appeared to push Republican lawmakers into a more aggressive stance as they sought to defend the president from his greatest legal and political threat yet.
Watch Republicans barge into secure room during impeachment hearing
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) and House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) led a group of their Republican colleagues into a closed-door hearing on Oct. 23. (The Washington Post)
“I led over 30 of my colleagues into the SCIF where Adam Schiff is holding secret impeachment depositions,” Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) said Wednesday morning on Twitter, referring to the Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility. “Still inside — more details to come.”
The lawmakers staged the dramatic protest while making process arguments that sidestepped the substance of the central allegations underpinning the impeachment inquiry. Democrats accused the protesting members of compromising security by taking their phones into the secure area, where cellphones are barred.
Everything Roger Post here is on his Facebook and Twitter.
Robert Giriadi was sentenced to 97 months in jail for leaking Grand Jury testimony.
BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Yep....that's a grand jury you dumb fuck.....Impeachment is a congressional action that is similar to a grand jury when it comes to closed door testimony that is to protect the innocent !!!!!!!
Hey Lil Scotty....suggest you use the google machine and search for " leaks during benghazi hearings.....you and your ilk will be mildly surprised as the R's ran out of fingers to stem the leaks.....BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! How soon all you assholes forget!!!!!
Everything Roger Post here is on his Facebook and Twitter.
Which proves you are obsessed with Roger's life while you act like an old jewish busy body women!!!!!!! a YENTA!!!!
Yenta
: one that meddles
also : BLABBERMOUTH, GOSSIP
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