Thursday, October 24, 2019

Why the William Taylor testimony is bound to fall apart...

The "shocking" and "explosive" testimony by Taylor surrounded supposed conversations between US Ambassador Gordon Sondland and Zelensky aide Andrey Yermak where Sondland issues some sort of threat to withhold military aid if Ukraine did not investigate Burisma Holdings. Taylor is not a direct first hand witness to any of  these threats, but suggests that he knows that Sondland had made such threats on at least two different occasions. In fact, he insists that some of his information come directly from his own conversations with Sondland.

The problem upfront was that Sondland had previously testified pretty much the opposite. According to Sondland, we was never personally aware of or involved in any supposed quid pro quo regarding investigations. Sondland further testified that when he heard rumors of aid being held back over investigations that when he called the President to ask about it, Trump assured him that there was no such quid pro quo regarding the investigations.

So what both men appear to agree upon is that there was at least some "rumors" that the aid was being held back over some quid pro quo regarding investigations, but they obviously disagree as to whether those threats were actually ever given to the Ukrainians. Ironically Taylor suggests those threats were made (and that they were actually made by Sondland) while Sondland denies knowing about any direct threats.

Immediately, Democrats seized on the Taylor testimony to insists that Sondland must be lying and that he should be brought back for more questioning. In my general opinion, the opposite is true. If Taylor is making the allegation and Sondland continues to deny it, then the burden of proof is on Taylor to prove it, not Sondland to prove the negative.

Apparently Sondland issued a statement last night (or today) to the media via his attorney that reinforced his earlier testimony. Sondland insisted that not only did he not issue any threats, but that he personally was not in favor of any sort of quid pro quo. This was the reasons for his phone call with the President (who reassured him that there was no quid pro quo associated).

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Meanwhile, it is also being reported that William Taylor has been part of a "think tank" for years that is actually funded by Burisma Holdings. If it actually turns out that Taylor has some ties to Burisma holdings himself, then one has to wonder out loud if his testimony isn't some sort of offense is the best defense  means to obstruct this investigation.

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Lastly, given the fact that the aid was provide without any actual requirement from Ukraine to investigate or without any public statement from Zelinsky, the tangible evidence falls in favor of Sondland. It doesn't "disprove" what Taylor says, it just requires a lot more assumptions, a lot more explanation, and a lot more stretching of the imagination to believe his story. 

If I understand correctly from what I read, Taylor's best explanation was that the threat was issued by Sondland. Zelinsky agreed to go on American Television and tell everyone that he was going to investigate Burisma Holdings (explaining how the Bidens were tied). This promise got Trump to agree to provide the Aid. Then once the aid was provided Zelinsky backed out when another American diplomat told a Ukrainian diplomat that Zelinsky shouldn't follow through. 

Seems like a hard story to swallow. 

56 comments:

Anonymous said...

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

You really gotta be kidding Lil Scotty......You and your opinion is based on bias and wishful thinking....I'd be willing to bet you will never see that outcome....You got nothing but stupid in your post.....but like assholes you surely have one!!!!!! To me, this is the most absurd part of your post....which has been debunked even by fox news judge N......It may work for your idiot followers, but the polls are certainly saying otherwise


Lastly, given the fact that the aid was provide without any actual requirement from Ukraine to investigate or without any public statement from Zelinsky, the tangible evidence falls in favor of Sondland.

C.H. Truth said...

Well Denny..

Facts are facts!

The aid was provided.
The investigations and statements were not.

Cannot change that fact no matter how hard you try!!!!

NO MATTER HOW HARD!!!!

But hey... keep trying!

Maybe someone will be able to make up an old CNN segment where Zelinsky did promise investigations, but we all just missed it the first time cause it was on Don Lemon and nobody was watching!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You have lost your mind Scott asshole.

He's a great American, West Point graduate and Vietnam veteran unlike your bone spurs draft dodger son of a bitch.

This is not a coup or attempt to overturn the last election.

Anonymous said...

The fact is that your fact is irrelevant!!!! Most scholars have said so and you thinking otherwise is just your opinion which is more irrelevant than mine!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAA!!!!! Dayum you are desperate and wrong....that's okay lil scotty, this will play our in spite of Lindsey complaining about the rules which were signed off by John Boehner and the republican congress in 2015!!!!!! Your rules now live up to them!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You swallowed every single drop and smiled at the President as he grabbed your wife's pussy.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Judge Andrew Napolitano said Thursday that the Republicans are protesting their own rules for impeachment inquiries.

Napolitano, an analyst for Fox News, said on “Fox & Friends” that Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) is following the impeachment rules that Republicans put in place with a GOP majority in 2015.


Even Faux News differs with you.

RockPrincess said...

@Rockprincess818

America has had enough of this resistance shit show. From grooming staffers while naked to $92 trillion dollar green scams to faux outrage over “lynching” to selective leaks to the media to holding secret hearings in a basement bunker. Get back to work you fools.
#ClownWorld

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Lynsey Graham is attempting to overthrow the America as a democratic republic with a Constitution.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) introduced a resolution in the Senate Thursday condemning the impeachment inquiry into President Trump, calling on the House to vote to open a formal inquiry and provide Trump with "fundamental constitutional protections."

""If you can drive down a president's poll numbers by having proceedings where you selectively leak information, where the president who's the subject of all this is pretty much shut out, God help future presidents."

Anonymous said...


Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) introduced a resolution in the Senate Thursday condemning the impeachment


Funny.....yesterday some R here complained what a waste of time having the senate vote for election and gun laws.....Now the silence of having Graham have a vote to condemn the impeachment that are following the republican rules of 2015.....how can that be????

Anonymous said...

Wow, Triggered .

Anonymous said...

Socialist Democrat Poccahatous Office was Broken into, I blame Trump.

C.H. Truth said...

The Ukrainians never started the investigations and Zelinsky never issued a public statement!

Anonymous said...

The Ukrainians never started the investigations and Belinsky never issued a public statement!


SO FUCKING WHAT!!!!! After the BS of yesterday's no quid and they didn't know that was shot to shit....this too is irrelevant to those who know what they are talking about.....why don't you defend trump instead of making shit up!!!!! Amazing how quiet the caucus is except when they raid a SCIF and complain about the rules they wrote!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Anonymous said...

The Three Socialist Stooges of CHT believe that Foreign Nations must be given US Tax Dollars with No Preconditions or performance.

Anonymous said...
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C.H. Truth said...

Sorry Denny but...

The Ukrainians never started the investigations and Zelinsky never issued a public statement!

Anonymous said...

"Nolte: Gordon Sondland Says William Taylor’s Most Damning Testimony Never Happened"

JOHN NOLTE 24 Oct 2019

U.S. ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland disputes the most damning portions of Acting Ukraine Ambassador William Taylor’s impeachment testimony.

And here we go again… Welcome to Russia Collusion 2: The Star Chamber, where Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) holds secret basement impeachment hearings hoping to overturn a presidential election using selective leaks, and our corrupt media play right along.

Who didn’t see this coming…? Hey, raise your hand if you slept through all three years of the Russia Collusion Hoax."


Schiff 🤡


Anonymous said...




He's a great American, West Point graduate and Vietnam veteran...


and a liar.

a bald faced liar.

the annals of west point and vietnam are full of liars and traitors and garden variety scumbags, alky. exhibit

A: john kerry. exhibit B: pappy mcstain.

having that on his resume doesn't inoculate him from suspicion or criticism.

and if a piece of shit and all-around feckless cunt like cankles mcpantsuit can call tulsi gabbard a russian asset, then i'm free to think taylor is a fucking liar.



Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

Lynsey Graham is attempting to overthrow the America as a democratic republic with a Constitution.



so introducing a senate resolution is an attempt "to overthrow the America as a democratic republic with a Constitution"?

last i knew a senator could introduce senate resolutions.

you really are a fucking imbecile alky.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Quote of the day. " Our Republic is Under Attack From the President " Retired Adm. William Mcraven. Former Commander of U.S. Special Operations.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

War heroes who were captured but not killed are not heroes to the racist rodent bastard. McCain Vietnam war hero was held captured and tortured, is not a great American hero.

Trump used his private doctor to diagnose bone spurs that got him a draft deferment and you think that he is a great American hero, who wants to lynch President Obama. And of course Crooked Hillary Clinton!

" Our Republic is Under Attack From the President " Retired Adm. William Mcraven. Former Commander of U.S. Special Operations.

And you think Trump is a great American hero!

You are fucking imbisle, not me.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He lead Operation Neptune Spear.

Osama bin Laden, the founder and first leader of the Islamist terrorist group, Al-Qaeda, was killed in Pakistan on May 2, 2011, shortly after 1:00 am PKT by United States Navy SEALs of the U.S. Naval Special Warfare Development Group.

The racist rodent bastard is just another angry old white supremacist

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

How Trump Lost the Impeachment Narrative

The Atlantic:
“Catchphrases have always defined Donald Trump’s presidency. In the same way that ‘no collusion, no obstruction’ went hand in hand with the Mueller report, Democrats have managed to turn ‘quid pro quo’ into the tagline for the current impeachment inquiry. It’s perhaps the first time since Trump entered office that Democrats have managed to wrangle the first word on a presidential scandal—which puts them in a better position than ever to have the final word, too.

“Caught in unfamiliar terrain, the White House appears to be lost in this pivotal moment. And Republicans, bereft of guidance, have found themselves either mangling their attempts to defend the president or, as a growing number appear to be, UNWILLING TO EVEN TRY.”

RIGHT. WHY EVEN TRY WHEN THE NEXT WORD OUT OF FRUMP'S MOUTH WILL CONTRADICT YOU.

Anonymous said...

Yawn

Anonymous said...

Roger, your new place that is all of 2500 sq ft. 🤣 and reportedly "has everthing".

Do you have a Mortgage?

Anonymous said...

58 % of people over 65 years of Age still have a home Mortgage.

C3 said...

@C_3C_3

Democrat Katie Hill has access to CLASSIFIED information.

Democrat Katie Hill had multiple affairs at once, has a Nazi tattoo, has had nude photos of herself smoking a bong and combing hair taken.

But tell me again about Putin potentially blackmailing Trump.

Emerald Robinson said...

@EmeraldRobinson

The same people who tell you Bill Taylor's testimony is "devastating" told you the whistleblower would take down Trump just like the Mueller Report just like the Emoulements Clause just like the 25th amendment just like the Comey firing just like Hillary was up 12 points …

Anonymous said...

The Real Speaker of The US House of Representatives .

"Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) on Thursday defended House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s (D-CA) secret impeachment chamber, arguing that impeachment due process would essentially “help potential criminals line up their testimony.”

Jack Posobiec said...

@JackPosobiec

BREAKING: US Attorney John Durham to formally shift Russia collusion inquiry into an official DOJ criminal investigation

guess they found something.... dems continue to shit bricks.. which ones ???

Comfortably Smug said...

@ComfortablySmug

The BEST part of the Katie Hill situation, is that at the same moment some CNN anchor was on TV defending Katie Hill, news drops with photos of Hill smoking a bong with a Nazi tattoo showing and word she's banging ANOTHER current staffer

last one out at CNN please turn off the lights

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I wondered where Scott A**hole found his claim that Taylor was part of the deep state conspiracy.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/17/document-adam-schiff-staffer-met-impeachment-witness-ukraine-trip/


It's utter nonsense. All kinds of claims that he was a never Trump jerk

Anonymous said...

Speaker in Name Only Polosi will defend and protect Katie Hill. She has to have every vote.

C.H. Truth said...

Well Roger...

Since you actually deny that anyone in the Trump administration was ever under investigation prior to the Mueller Special Counsel...

We really cannot take you too seriously, now can we?

Anonymous said...

Wow. The Obama/Biden cover up is coming part. Blame Hitlery , she was suppose to WIN to keep the bodies buried.
"BREAKING: US Attorney John Durham to formally shift Russia collusion inquiry into an official DOJ criminal investigation."

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Itinerary for a trip to Ukraine in August organized by the Atlantic Council think tank reveals that a staffer on Rep. Adam Schiff’s House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence held a meeting during the trip with acting U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor, now a key witness for Democrats pursuing impeachment.
The Atlantic Council is funded by and works in partnership with Burisma, the natural gas company at the center of allegations regarding Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden.

Anonymous said...

"Focus of Durham Probe Shifts to Senior Obama Officials

US attorney reportedly 'very interested' in interviewing former CIA Director Brennan and former DNI Clapper"

Start with them, get them to roll on Obama/Biden Raid their homes and Threaten their wife and kids, bankrupt them, then charge them with a process crime.

Anonymous said...

Did Roger just post a piece that shows Schiff coaching up a "witness".

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The administration was under investigation prior to the special Counsel's investigation.

The President fired Comey because he would not discontinue the investigation into the Russian intervention into the 2016 election.

The Special Counsel investigation was triggered by the President firing the Director of the FBI, The meeting in the Golden Tower to get dirt on Hillary Clinton and the Popodopolis meeting with the Australian diplomat.

They collusion investigation didn't find enough evidence initiate the impeachment proceedings.

The second part was basically looking for objection of justice. I think that Barr did a great job of protecting the President from indictment for objection of justice.

That investigation doesn't matter anymore. It was triggered by the phone call to get dirt on Biden and his son.

Pelosi is playing with Trump like a puppet

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

WHY THE WILLIAM TAYLOR TESTIMONY
IS BOUND NOT TO FALL APART

White House Adviser Will Corroborate Quid Pro Quo
October 24, 2019 at 9:17 pm EDT

“Tim Morrison, a top Russia and Europe adviser on President Trump’s National Security Council, is expected to testify before House impeachment investigators next week and corroborate key elements of a top U.S. diplomat’s account that Trump was pressing for Ukraine to publicly announce investigations into the Bidens before he would greenlight US security assistance,” CNN reports.

“Morrison’s testimony is expected to be significant because he is a current White House official whose name was cited 15 times in Bill Taylor’s opening statement.”

BUT OF COURSE CH UNTRUTH
AND THE DENIZENS WHO BOTTOM FEED HERE WILL FIND EVEN THE MOST CONVINCING PROOF UNCONVINCING

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Go Vikings!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

James, Scott is struggling to find a way to protect the President from any thing. It always goes back to his belief that the establishment has been attacking him.

What I still don't understand why he ignores the lying, isolationist philosophy. Calling it America first.

The Russians are gaining control in Syria. They have occupied our bases we used to defeat ISIS.

And the deep throat conspiracy theories are just fucking stupid.

cowardly king obama said...

*** OBAMA CRIME SYNDICATE ***

UNDER CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

All Republicans Can Do Is Try to Attack the Impeachment Process

11:06 pm EDT
“Republicans in Congress struggled for a second consecutive day Thursday to defend President Trump against Democrats’ impeachment inquiry amid a steady stream of damaging revelations about his conduct, leveling another symbolic objection to a process they said was fundamentally unfair,” the New York Times reports.

“But the move left the president’s allies in the same awkward place they have been for more than two weeks: unable or unwilling to mount a vigorous defense on the substance of the allegations and focused instead on trying to shake the public’s faith in the House’s impeachment process.”

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Democrats Feel They No Longer Need Whistleblower

11:07 pm EDT
“The whistleblower who initially unmasked President Trump’s effort to pressure Ukraine for political favors has moved steadily toward the periphery of the House impeachment inquiry as several Democrats said Thursday they have ample testimony from senior Trump administration officials to back his claims,” the Washington Post reports.

“Democrats were once prepared to take extraordinary steps to preserve the whistleblower’s identity under questioning, considering him central to their investigation. But over the past month, they have grown cold to the idea of exposing him to additional scrutiny after several witnesses described how Trump leveraged access and military aid to secure a promise from Ukraine to launch investigations that could help his 2020 reelection bid.”

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...


Vulnerable Republicans Shrink from Defending Trump

11:11 pm EDT
“Senate Republicans facing steep re-election races next year know the impeachment inquiry coursing steadily ahead on the other side of the Capitol will determine President Trump’s political fate. Their growing fear is that it will also determine their own,” the Washington Post reports.

“In a matter of weeks, those few senators have watched helplessly as the investigation by House Democrats has lobbed a grenade into the middle of their campaigns, putting them on the defensive amid a torrent of damaging revelations about the president’s conduct with no clear end in sight.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The DOJ needs to change its name.

The KJB

WASHINGTON — For more than two years, President Trump has repeatedly attacked the Russia investigation, portraying it as a hoax and illegal even months after the special counsel closed it. Now, Mr. Trump’s own Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into how it all began.

Justice Department officials have shifted an administrative review of the Russia investigation closely overseen by Attorney General William P. Barr to a criminal inquiry, according to two people familiar with the matter. The move gives the prosecutor running it, John H. Durham, the power to subpoena for witness testimony and documents, to convene a grand jury and to file criminal charges.

The opening of a criminal investigation is likely to raise alarms that Mr. Trump is using the Justice Department to go after his perceived enemies. Mr. Trump fired James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director under whose watch agents opened the Russia inquiry, and has long assailed other top former law enforcement and intelligence officials as partisans who sought to block his election.

Mr. Trump has made clear that he sees the typically independent Justice Department as a tool to be wielded against his political enemies. That view factors into the impeachment investigation against him, as does his long obsession with the origins of the Russia inquiry. House Democrats are examining in part whether his pressure on Ukraine to open investigations into theories about the 2016 election constituted an abuse of power.

This is why we need to impeach and convict the President. This is "abuse of power".

cowardly king obama said...

*** DEMOCRATS SHITTING BRICKS ***

OBAMA CRIME SYNDICATE UNDER SPOTLIGHT

Remember you cannot impede investigations from Justice professionals.

See Mueller probe with his highly conflicted and ultra partisan team. They were still unmolested. Hands off Dems.

JUSTICE IS COMING

Anonymous said...



The Russians are gaining control in Syria. They have occupied our bases we used to defeat ISIS.

so what?

you have yet to explain how it's in our strategic and national interest to remain in that fucking shithole.

draft dodgers are always so quick to send our kids off to war.


Anonymous said...

"Roger AmickOctober 24, 2019 at 10:49 PM

The DOJ needs to change its name. 

The KJB"

Roger, what is that?




Anonymous said...




Mr. Trump has made clear that he sees the typically independent Justice Department as a tool to be wielded against his political enemies.


you mean like how 0linsky wielded the DOJ/FBI AND the CIA/NSA against trump?

LOL.

heh.

nice opinion piece, alky.

gettin' nervous?

paybacks are a bitch, pal.

Anonymous said...

"Defeat ISIS"

Obimbo called them the "JV Team" , nothing to be concerned about.

Anonymous said...

"you mean like how 0linsky wielded the DOJ/FBI AND the CIA/NSA against trump?"RRB

And the IRS.

Anonymous said...


Ivan Pentchoukov
@IvanPentchoukov
Thomas Eager (Schiff's staff) traveled to Ukraine Aug. 25 - 31.

During the trip, he met with William Taylor, the key impeachment witness.

Atlantic Council sponsored the trip.

Atlantic Council is an official partner of Burisma.

Hunter Biden was on the board of Burisma.




Ivan Pentchoukov
@IvanPentchoukov
Replying to @IvanPentchoukov

Source (pdf): http://clerk.house.gov/GTImages/ST/2019/500022181.pdf …

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10:20 AM - Oct 24, 2019



weren't you bitching about something to do with breitbart, alky?

yeah... no.

this is legit. taylor's a liar and a traitor.

C.H. Truth said...

For three years Trump was under FBI/CIA/Special Counsel investigation because people (many who have been proven to be partisan anti-Trump Democrats) decided he was a Russian spy.

The Department of Justice is 110% justified in determining how and why this happened. No American (much less a sitting President) should be investigate for three years for someone as obviously stupid as being a Russian spy without a little more.

Anonymous said...

Better include Hillary's , Stien and Tulsi.