NSC Official Tim Morrison To Schiff: Nothing Illegal In Trump-Zelensky Call.— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) October 31, 2019
‘I Was Not Concerned That Anything Illegal Was Discussed’ In Trump-Ukraine Phone Call https://t.co/cMmX6uM8Kt
Moreover, Morrison stated that it he was one of those who suggested that this conversation be placed on the NSA secured server due to the fact that he believed that it would be leaked by resistance players within the executive branch or provided to Democrats for them to leak. Morrison contradicted the testimony of Taylor with he suggested that the transcripts are entirely accurate and reflect what took place on the call.
Of course, Morrison was wearing a suit, rather than a military outfit.
Morrison suggests that the Zelensky would not have known that any military aid was being held up and that he heard nothing alarming on the call. He also countered several of the points made by Taylor, suggesting that he (Morrison) never met privately with the Ukrainian NSA, and that Sondland never met with or asked Zelensky to make any statements regarding Burisma. Morrison does suggest that the issues with Burisma were discussed and that the Prosecutor General had agreed to look into that case.
Obviously, this is going to be the game. Both sides are effectively going to suggest the same basic known concept (that there were discussions regarding investigations of the 2016 election interference and discussions regarding Burisma and that there was a decision to withhold the last $400 million until the President got a better handle on Zelensky). But none of this, of course, will be anything "new" or "revealing". It's exactly what we heard on from the transcripts of the call and exactly what is stipulated by both sides.
The difference is that one side is going to see nothing inherently wrong with the process, while the other is going to pretend it's the worst thing any President has ever done in our 242 year existence. After all, in theory, the removal of Trump would be the very first time that has ever happened. Apparently none of the other 44 Presidents (sans Nixon) did anything quite this.....
improper!
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It is being reported that the whistleblower was Joe Biden’s point man on Ukraine. It is imperative the whistleblower is subpoenaed and asked under oath about Hunter Biden and corruption.
Adviser corroborates diplomat’s account that Trump appeared to seek quid pro quo
Tim Morrison, the top Russia and Europe adviser on the National Security Council, told investigators that the account offered by William B. Taylor Jr. was accurate.
By Carol D. Leonnig, John Hudson, Karoun Demirjian and Rachael Bade25 minutes ago
Court weighs White House’s immunity claims for McGahn, top aides
Gee contradicts the moronic Lil Scotty thread.....!!!!!!! How can this be???? BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!!!
Oct. 31, 2019 at 2:27 p.m. EDT
Tim Morrison, the top Russia and Europe adviser on President Trump’s National Security Council, on Thursday corroborated the testimony of a senior U.S. diplomat who last week offered House impeachment investigators the most detailed account to date for how Trump tried to use his office to pressure Ukraine to investigate former vice president Joe Biden, according to people familiar with his deposition.
Morrison told impeachment investigators that the account offered by William B. Taylor Jr., the acting ambassador to Ukraine, is accurate. He said that he alerted Taylor to a push by Trump and his deputies to withhold both security aid and a White House visit for the Ukrainian president until Ukraine agreed to investigate the Bidens and interference in the 2016 presidential election, said one person, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions.
Morrison, who told colleagues Wednesday that he plans to leave the Trump administration, said he did not necessarily view the president’s demands as improper or illegal, but rather problematic for U.S. policy in supporting an ally in the region.
Trump’s Base Isn’t That Excited About Him
October 31, 2019 at 2:18 pm EDT
Aaron Blake looks at the latest Associated Press/NORC poll and suggests the most troubling finding for President Trump “is this one: 41% of Republicans say that Trump doesn’t make them feel ‘excited.’ A strong majority (58%) says Trump does make them feel excited, but this is still 4 in 10 Republicans who aren't excited about their Republican president.
That's hardly the kind of base discipline you would want to brag about. And it's a far cry from raucous support seen at Trump's rallies."
Tillerson Says Says Climate Change Will Be ‘With Us Forever More’
“It’s rare for a current or former leader of one of the world’s largest energy producers to testify under oath about climate change. That’s why a New York courtroom was packed on Wednesday to see ex-Exxon Mobil Corp. Chief Executive Officer Rex Tillerson take the witness stand and explain that the company knew for years how it was a significant threat to the world,” Bloomberg reports.
Said Tillerson:
“We knew, we knew it was a real issue. We knew it was a serious issue and we knew it was one that’s going to be with us now, forevermore, and it’s not something that was just suddenly going to disappear off of our concern list because it is going to be with us for certainly well beyond my lifetime.”
White House Official Willing to Testify Publicly
ABC News: “Vindman, the first current White House official to cooperate with House impeachment investigators and appear on Capitol Hill for a closed-door deposition, is willing to testify publicly in the next phase of the inquiry.
“Vindman, the first witness to appear on Capitol Hill with firsthand knowledge of the call, has not yet been formally contacted by House impeachment investigators about testifying in public.”
HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE.
Funny that the federalist did not report the following testimony contradicting he had no concern......BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Morison twice reached out to the National Security Council’s attorneys with apparent concerns about Trump’s conversations pertaining to Ukraine policy, according to various witness’ testimony. People familiar with his deposition said that Morrison reported the July 25 call between Trump and Zelensky — as another White House official, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, had done. In September, Morrison also alerted NSC lawyers about a separate conversation between Trump and Sondland, according to Taylor’s testimony to Congress, though his rationale remains unclear.
Democrats hope Morrison’s testimony will take away an often-cited Republican complaint that many of the accounts from U.S. officials describing a quid pro quo are secondhand. Taylor mentioned Morrison’s name 15 times in the 15-page opening statement of his congressional testimony, portraying him as an official often in the know about critical U.S. policy in Ukraine.
One of these stories is correct.....!!!!!!!
U.S.—Trump recently shared a meme that showed him riding the "Hero Dog" into a space battle against several deadly threats from among the stars.
"AMERICAN HERO!" Trump tweeted when he posted the image, along with a winky face. The picture shows Trump fending off myriad threats, from Dune's gigantic sandworm and the Beast from beloved 1983 classic Krull to a Cylon Basestar and a Xenomorph.
Trump thought the image would be taken in a light-hearted manner, but he couldn't have been more wrong.
A red light began blaring in the offices of The New York Times as soon as the image was posted. "Looks like we've got a live one, boys," said one editor. "Err--I mean, non-gender-conforming persons. Let's fact-check this puppy." An army of fact-checkers then got to work, running the image through advanced fact-checking software. The Times recently had a huge supercomputer installed for this purpose, and they put it to work.
Sure enough, many of the pixels seemed not to line up quite right, plus fact-checkers discovered that several elements of the image were entirely fictional.
"The presence of a Cylon Basestar in the image casts doubt on its authenticity right away," said Bart Tucker, head fact-checker at The Washington Post. "We were also able to trace the image of the sandworm to the cover of Avalon Hill's 1979 board game Dune, so we can discredit that element of the space battle in any case."
Further historical research suggested that nearly every element of the picture was fake, from TIE fighters and the Death Star to the looming Borg Cube.
"This president is trying to mislead the people with this meme," said a CNN spokesperson. "We are only OK with politicians who mislead people with regards to the effects of their healthcare policies or their Native American heritage, not presidents who tell jokes and have fun."
Oops is this another coverup??????
Administration lawyer moved transcript of Trump call to classified server after Ukraine adviser raised alarm
John Eisenberg restricted access to the document after Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman relayed concerns about the president’s statements on the call with the Ukrainian president, according to people familiar with Vindman's testimony.
Typical juvenile trash from the humor for retards Babylon Bee!!!!! Whatta dumb fucking asshole!!!!!
Well Denny...
Did "Morrison" actually testify to any of what these other people claimed he did or didn't do? Just because there is some anonymous source looking to undercut Morrison's testimony, doesn't mean that the testimony didn't happen.
So I would say that the story regarding what Morrison told Congress is entirely true... you might not believe that Morrison is telling the truth (which is your prerogative) but that doesn't' change that it WAS his testimony.
The problem is that many Democrats were thinking this guy was going to help their case, and quite obviously he didn't. Mainly because he put forth an opinion that differs from the opinions of the deep state resistance players.
Again Denny...
This is not that hard.
Everyone is going to testify to pretty much the same set of facts.
The difference is that some people are going to see it as business a usual, while others are demanding it's the worst thing ANY PRESIDENT (besides Nixon) has ever done while in the White House.
I would suspect that the truth is much closer to the former than the latter.
Interesting since the Trump administration fought to keep Morrison from testifying.
Did they not know it was going to be favorable to the president or are they just playing 3 dimensional chess?
Hey Scotty,.....I am telling you your source is as full of crap as you are by omitting what I posted....Even a simpleton like you can understand that!!!! Sorry sport you are being more disingenuous than normal with you cavalier BS that this is normal....BWAAAAAAA!!!!
Did they not know it was going to be favorable to the president
He resigned his post prior to his testimony......IOW's a private citizen whom trump lost ......BWAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Wonder what drove him to resign.....trump being the great leader he is could not be the problem!!!!!!
Donks sense of timing is awesome
Arizona Democrat Party Chairman Felecia Rotellini: Trump “has aligned himself with ISIS”
Rotellini made the remarks on Saturday, approximately 1-hour before a Trump-authorized raid in northern Syria resulted in the death of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi
Damn the timing.
Democratic Chairman "Trump aligned himself with ISIS!
Hey numb nutz....Scalise yesterday called the inquiry “a Soviet-style process.” And low and behold, you never said a fucking thing as usual.....So sad you have such a one sided view......BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
I am telling you your source is as full of crap as you are by omitting what I posted..
The Federalist reported on Morrison's testimony.
What you suggest they omitted was in regards to what other people testified to. So I guess that depends entirely on your perspective. It's wild speculation and lots of opinion.
Not news reporting.
If Morrison is providing his first hand accounts of events...
Then in any court of law that would take precedent over second hand accounts.
for instance, the idea that Taylor stated he met with someone is less credible than Morrison stating he never did. Unless you can actually prove that a meeting took place, in a court of law the "second hand" testimony would be considered "hearsay" and never even heard. 8
Simple sport:
Person one states: Person two told me A,B, and C happened.
Person two states: I never told Person one this, and A,B, and C never happened.
That makes person one's testimony hearsay and inadmissible.
Hey numb nutz....Scalise yesterday called the inquiry “a Soviet-style process.”
Well, it is a Soviet-style process.
He resigned his post prior to his testimony.....
So? He resign because he was part of Bolton's team and they now have a new NSA.
Told you, don't depend on Bolton to stab Trump in the back.
It's a process where the Prosecutor gets to control who the defense can call and what the defense can ask witnesses.
Not exactly an American style court.
But a fair court is not what Democrats want.
Not when it comes to the bad orange man.
The Socialist Democrats passed in purely Partasian Vote the suspension of due process
The Vote Against was Bi-Partisan .
Not exactly an American style court.
Hey genius.....becausw it ain't a court!!!!! Is that a shock to someone as smart as you??????
Told you, don't depend on Bolton to stab Trump in the back.
BWAAAAAA!!!! All he has to do is tell the truth....the truth will set trump back!!!!!!!
BWAAAAAA!!!! All he has to do is tell the truth..
The problem for you is that he will. Just not the truth you want hear.
Hey genius.....becausw it ain't a court!!!!!
Still most American are looking for a fair proceeding and that's not what the Democrats are giving them.
Still most American are looking for a fair proceeding
And I believe most Americans think it is fair with 47 R's participating in the proceedings!!!!!! Funny how quickly the semi news of Morrison got out of the hearings......
. Just not the truth you want hear.
And what exactly do I want to hear???? Cramps???? More trump it was a perfect call or what we now know?????? BWAAAAA!!!! I don't like bolton, never have.....but I believe he puts country first and will tell the truth in spite you what you pray for.....!!!! He is now tweeting that the inquiry is a sham......Imagine that!!!!
Morrison said he thought nothing was illegal on the call....which is not the bar for impeachment.....Oh we'll!!!! Plus it is opinion which others may disagree!!!
non-sense
Why did eisenberg request all the phone call data be transferred to a secure server after vindman brought the problem to his attention???? How did that happen??? Cover up?????? That is not a place for non classified data!!!!
Blogger KansasDemocrat said...
non-sense
dumb ass goat fucker.....BWAAAAAAA!!! Has no idea what that is!!!!!
What I find most amusing for our idiots on the right is that our democracy is working as congressional oversight is finally being used to protect the country!!!!! Isn't oversight what the founders envisioned by having 3 equal branches of government or should we all accept the trump transgressions as the right of the king???????
Now trump bribing senators with cash to support him during the trial.....dayum another high crime to add to the list!!!!
oh, I know what it is. It is non-sense.
Rules dems passed are bullshit. Republicans will crush them over them.
Like it or not, gop gets to call witnesses they want. Period.
Rep. Jeff Van Drew (D-NJ), one of two Democrats who voted against the impeachment inquiry, called the impeachment process “hopelessly partisan.”
Socialist Democrats and Thier Propaganda arm the Lame Stream Media believed Republicans would not support the President
"all Republicans voting against"
So did some Democrats.
Gohmert us right. This could bring the coyn to a civil war. Trump voters won't tolerate this shit much longer.
The Republicans in the house committee will have the right to call witnesses and question the other witnesses from the Democratic witnesses, including their lawyers in their staff. They won't have just 5 minutes, as in the past few days.
This will be public hearings, like the Nixon and Clinton impeachment hearings.
The Democrats are using the procedures passed by the house in 2015.
You people actually believe that the impeachment of President Trump will lead to a Civil war!
You have lost your fucking minds!
congressional oversight is part of the Constitution!
Blogger Roger Amick said...
You people actually believe that the impeachment of President Trump will lead to a Civil war!
actually alky, i think it will lead to much hilarity, over-the-top, mockery, enough jokes about democrats to last a fucking decade, and ultimately it will lead to the re-election of Donald J Trump.
every fucking liberal and democrat in the nation is literally a fucking laughingstock right now.
especially you.
The Re-election of Trump .
That has a good ring to it.
You fuckin idiot. Dems gave themselves vote power over every witness. That's not the constitution. So piss off you asshole.
Roger, tell us more about your private Chef. 🤣
Blogger Roger Amick said...
congressional oversight is part of the Constitution!
note the irony here alky.
if you were treated the same way by law enforcement regarding the restraining order 'mail order' has sworn out against you as schiff and the democrats are showing trump, you'd be riding a piss-stained mattress in the LA County Jail infirmary right now.
and you sure as fuck wouldn't be posting your idiotic copy/pastes.
Roger, Can the Leadership of the Democrats in the US House Of Representatives deny (aka veto) a Witness that a Republican wants to have Testify?
Roger, Can the Leadership of the Democrats in the US House Of Representatives deny (aka veto) a Witness that a Republican wants to have Testify?
only democrats can call witnesses. republicans can call them... with democrats permission.
and republicans can only ask questions that democrats allow.
the allky says this is in the constitution, plain as day, right before your very eyes, plain as the nose on your face.
chapter one, section two, sub-section three, verse eleventy: the kangaroo court provision. informally known as the "heads i win, tails you lose" provision.
With the Socialst Democrats putting their thumb on the scales.
and the alky also promised us there would be dozens and dozens of GOP congressmen voting in favor of impeachment.
by a landslide or something.
They've been bamboozled by the liberal lame stream media (or the Demedia as they are now being called) into believing that all of these Republicans were quietly biding their time, and that there was going to be some sort of break in the dam and everyone would vote against the President.
I think politicalwire alone ran 10,000 stories on how Republicans in the House (especially those in purple districts) would run screaming from the President.
I guess they were just misinformed...
But does it matter when they have people like James who will believe pretty much whatever they write?
The Socialist Democrats of the House also get to "Exclude" evidence they don't like.
RNC and The Trump re-election Campaign launched ads against those vaunerable Democrats after they voted "Yes" today .
In closed-door testimony today, a National Security Council aide corroborated a key fact when he confirmed that Gordon Sondland, the ambassador to the European Union, said that a package of military assistance for Ukraine would not be released until the country committed to investigating the Bidens.
Gordon Sondland, who bought his way into the the position as the ambassador to the European and appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, acknowledged that there was a quid Pro quo because the package of military assistance for Ukraine would not be released until the country committed to investigating the Bidens.
Another nail in the coffin of the President who has violated his oath to defend and protect the Constitution, not Donald Trump.
At their post-vote news conference, Republicans were asked: “Will you all go on the record and say the president did nothing inappropriate?”
“Yes,” chorused the 50 men and three women onstage.
“A very clear yes,” said McCarthy.
Doesn’t he know that cults always end badly?
I remember when you said that supporting President Obama, who was born in Kenya, was a cult.
No matter what this President says or does unconstitutional or not, you don't care, because you are a cult member.
It is a very sad moment in the history of the United States of America and for which it stands.
Roger, Can the Leadership of the Democrats in the US House Of Representatives deny (aka veto) a Witness that a Republican wants to have Testify?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The transformation is complete, hey Amber....
Lol@Roger
Unless it's someone wearing CA maga hat. They have no rights.
The stable genius.
He came of age in Queens, built Trump Tower, starred in “The Apprentice,” bankrupted his businesses six times.
And became President elected by a minority popular vote margin.
He's the King Trump I.
Make Russia Great Again
His campaign slogan in 2020!
Can the Leadership of the Democrats in the US House Of Representatives deny (aka veto) a Witness that a Republican wants to have Testify?
I don't know yet but I think it's not a good idea, it would look unfair.
But do you think that the President can deny any subpoenas requested by the house committee?
For either information or a staff member?
Here is a product of Socialism .
"elected by a minority popular vote margin"
Unable tobunderstad the US Constitution.
Roger, here is my tip for you. The Same US Constitution will be in effect in 2020.
But do you think that the President can deny any subpoenas requested by the house committee?
A : Yes
For either information or a staff member?
A : Yes
Nunes is a deep state conspiracy theorist.
Nunes applied these Trumpian signatures to Democrats. “What we’re seeing among Democrats on the Intelligence Committee,” he said, “is like a cult. These are a group of people loyally following their leader as he bounces from one outlandish conspiracy to another.”
The Republican party has lost their minds!
But do you think that the President can deny any subpoenas requested by the house committee?
A : Yes. In the past, the Supreme Court ruled they had to comply with the subpoenas.
For either information or a staff member?
A : Yes. In the past, the Supreme Court ruled they had to comply with the subpoenas.
If the President under investigation for impeachmenable offenses, would you believe that the President would not have to comply with the subpoenas?
If the President under investigation for impeachmenable offenses was a Democrat, would you believe that the President would not have to comply with the subpoenas?
I would bet $1,000 if the President under investigation was a Democrat, you would say no to both questions.
Hypocrisy is Trumpism stage four brain cancer!
Correct.
The actions by One Party Running the US House of representatives is doing a great job of hiding the very weak and deeply flawed 20 Dwarfs.
Opening Statement of Timothy Morrison
Before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, and the House Committee on Oversight and Reform
October 31, 2019
In my current position, I understood our primary U.S. policy objective in Ukraine was to take advantage of the once-in-a-generation opportunity that resulted from the election of President Zelensky and the clear majority he had gained in the Ukrainian Rada to see real anti-corruption reform take root. The Administration’s policy was that the best way for the United States to show its support for President Zelensky’s reform efforts was to make sure the United States’ longstanding bipartisan commitment to strengthen Ukraine’s security remained unaltered, it is easy to forget here in Washington, but impossible in Kyiv, that Ukraine is still under armed assault by Russia, a nuclear-armed state. We also tend to forget that the United States had helped convince Ukraine to give up Soviet nuclear weapons in 1994. United States security sector assistance (from the Departments of Defense and State) is, therefore, essential to Ukraine. Also essential is a strong and positive relationship with Ukraine at the highest levels of our respective governments.
In my role as Senior Director for European Affairs, I reported directly to former Deputy National Security Advisor, Dr. Charles Kupperman, and former National Security Advisor, Ambassador John Bolton. I kept them fully informed on matters that I believed merited their awareness or when I felt I needed some direction. During the time relevant to this inquiry, I never briefed the President or Vice President on matters related to Ukrainian security. It was my job to coordinate with the U.S. Embassy Chief of Mission to Ukraine William Taylor, Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations Kurt Volker, and other interagency stakeholders in the Departments of Defense and State of Ukrainian matters.
My primary responsibility has been to ensure federal agencies had consistent messaging and policy guidance on national security issues involving European and Russian affairs. As Dr. Fiona Hill and I prepared for me to succeed her, one of the areas we discussed was Ukraine. In that discussion, she informed me of her concerns about two Ukraine processes that were occurring: the normal interagency process led by the NSC with the typical department and agency participation and a separate process that involved chiefly the U.S. Ambassador to the European Union. Dr. Hill told me that Ambassador Sondland and President Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, were trying to get President Zelensky to reopen Ukrainian investigations into Burisma. At the time, I did not know what Burisma was or what the investigation entailed. After the meeting with Dr. Hill, I googled Burisma and learned that it was a Ukrainian energy company and that Hunter Biden was on its board. I also did not understand why Ambassador Sondland would be involved in Ukraine policy, often without the involvement of our duly-appointed Chief of Mission, Ambassador Bill Taylor.
My most frequent conversations were with Ambassador Taylor because he was the U.S. Chief of Mission in Ukraine and I was his chief conduit for information related to White House deliberations, including security sector assistance and potential head-of-state meetings. This is a normal part of the coordination process.
Quid Pro Quo
Attorney Richard Painter, who served as the chief White House ethics lawyer in the George W. Bush administration, warned on Thursday that President Donald Trump appeared to be committing "felony bribery" by giving Republican senators fundraising cash ahead of an increasingly likely impeachment trial in the Senate.
The lawyer shared an article published by Politico on Thursday morning. Titled "Trump lures GOP senators on impeachment with cold cash," the article outlined how the president is turning to his large network of donors to raise funds for a few senators facing difficult re-election campaigns in 2020. All of those senators have also signed a resolution condemning the Democratic-led impeachment inquiry.
"This is a bribe. Any other American who offered cash to the jury before a trial would go to prison for felony bribery. But he can get away with it?" Painter, a law professor at the University of Minnesota, wrote on Twitter. "Criminal."
Richard W. Painter
@RWPUSA
· 18h
This is a bribe.
Any other American who offered cash to the jury before a trial would go to prison for felony bribery.
But he can get away with it?
Criminal.
Trump lures GOP senators on impeachment with cold cash https://politi.co/34iFvUY via @politico
Trump lures GOP senators on impeachment with cold cash
politico.com
Bribery charges against Trump????
Oh, no problem, because he can shoot me on 5th Avenue in New York city and he could not be charged with a crime!
Seig Heil Scott A**hole.
Attorney Richard Painter, who served as the chief White House ethics lawyer in the George W. Bush administration, warned on Thursday that President Donald Trump appeared to be committing "felony bribery" by giving Republican senators fundraising cash ahead of an increasingly likely impeachment trial in the Senate.
Also ahead of an increasingly likely presidential election. Where the fuck do you dig up such insanity.
But do you think that the President can deny any subpoenas requested by the house committee?
A : Yes. In the past, the Supreme Court ruled they had to comply with the subpoenas.
Roger will change his tune fast enough when the senate subpoena's Adam Schiff.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
I would bet $1,000 if the President under investigation was a Democrat, you would say no to both questions.
and you would lose that bet, alky.
as with free speech, i'm an absolutist when it comes to our other constitutional rights including due process. i might personally despise a particular defendant, but would insist upon a fair trial because that's how we operate around here.
the part that you're missing in this entire debacle is that schiff, pelosi et. al., MUST game the fucking rules because their case is a joke. if their case against trump had even a modicum of merit, the facts allowed in evidence from both sides would be allowed to speak for themselves, democrats would have a significant amount of momentum and facts on their side, and the chance for actual impeachment would be far greater. and your prediction of several GOP'ers joining the dems in the vote might have had a chance.
iow's, by behaving as they have been, schiff and pelosi have made it clear that they really don't have a case. not one that stands up to scrutiny and has any chance of securing a conviction.
this entire clusterfuck is being done FOR SHOW.
as al green made clear on MSDNC recently, you guys cannot beat trump at the ballot box. your field of candidates is the biggest fucking joke we've seen since forever. and specific to your favorite - that whore kamalatoe - she's fucking DONE.
democrats have made obvious in recent days the fact that they have no confidence in their show trial or in its outcome. this impeachment, like the democrat party itself, is a fucking joke of galactic proportions.
oh, and when you trot out the opinion of a fucking coo-koo like richard painter all you're doing is amplifying the laughter.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
If the President under investigation for impeachmenable offenses was a Democrat, would you believe that the President would not have to comply with the subpoenas?
under the current set of circumstances, no. of course not.
you're demanding that schiff be allowed to subpoena information, cherry pick through it to cobble together evidence without context, allow no exculpatory evidence in the process, not allow the white house to testify to the information provided in a public hearing, and otherwise give full advantage to schiff as to how he proceeds with the information subpoenaed.
a first year law school student residing at the bottom of their class in a fourth-rate law school could tell you that this was a fucking sham, alky.
this is truly a soviet style kangaroo court. having said that, i can see why democrats are so quick to embrace this process as it's the way the left has been conducting themselves regarding Title IX proceedings against students in our universities for years. this shit was accelerated within higher ed during the 0linsky regime so as a point of fact, it's really nothing new. students falsely accused of a myriad of offenses were offered no ability to question their accuser, offer evidence in their own defense, have legal counsel represent them, etc. this is no different other than it's playing out at the highest levels of our government.
democrats MUST squelch dissent and hinder free speech and our constitutional rights in order to achieve their goals since they can never achieve their desired outcomes via an honest and truthful due process.
So cramps t feels it is fine to bribe senators with cash to keep them loyal.......sounds like russia to me!!!!!!
USMC Trade Deal ?
Why is Palsy deliberately hurting US Farmers and Ranchers with her inaction?
The Governing bodies of Mexico and Canada have both ratified the deal.
So cramps t feels it is fine to bribe senators with cash to keep them loyal......
Presidential campaigns have donated to Senate and Congressional campaigns since the founding of the republic. It's a common political custom of both Democrats and Republicans. (There's even an episode of the West Wing where the custom is mentioned).
But now it's being called bribery because Orange Man Bad.
VDH:
Our resolute ancestors took a century to turn a wilderness into California. Our irresolute generation in just a decade or two has been turning California into a wilderness.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/california-nears-limits-progressive-adventurism-policy-and-politics/
HA!
(CNN)A group of climate activists crossing the Atlantic by sailboat to a UN summit in Chile were shocked to learn the event was canceled -- four weeks into their grueling voyage.
The 36 young environmentalists set off from Amsterdam on October 2, using a sailboat in order to highlight the impact of flying on greenhouse gas emissions.
They had completed more than half of their seven-week journey to the UN Climate Conference (COP25) in Santiago, Chile, which was scheduled to take place in early December.
However Chile's President Sebastián Piñera announced Wednesday that the country would no longer host the summit, amid protests that have left at least 20 people dead and led to the resignation of eight cabinet ministers.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/31/americas/chile-climate-voyage-canceled-scli-intl/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_term=link&utm_content=2019-10-31T20%3A30%3A12&utm_source=twCNN
Cramps again avoids reality with
Presidential campaigns have donated to Senate,,,,BwAAAAAAAA!!! The cash is conditioned!!!!!! Sorry, like I said yesterday a variant of quid pro quo in the open.... Yep, orange man is a flaming asshole, like you cramps!!!!!!
Now that the sham impeachment vote has taken place, some are telling Trump to start releasing transcripts of pres Obama's calls with Russia, Ukraine and Iran. Good idea.
If during the Senate trial, of course Schiff should appear if he is requested to appear.
Well one doesn't generally contribute to the campaign of their political opponents but other than that there is no "condition" on the donation and it's perfectly legal.
their case is a joke.
Multiple witnesses, including one who actually participated in the phone call stated that the President solicited interference in the next election, from a foreign power.
Even though quid Pro quo is not a crime, it is unconstitutional. He should be indicted and convicted and removed from office. Preferably in hand cuffs.
Winning;
Nonfarm payrolls rose by 128,000 in October as the U.S. economy overcame the weight of the autoworkers’ strike and created jobs at a pace well above expectations.
Even with a decline of 42,000 in the motor vehicles and parts industry, the pace of new jobs well exceeded the estimate of 75,000 from economists surveyed by Dow Jones. The loss of jobs came due to the General Motors strike that has since been settled. That job loss itself was less than the 50,000
Justice Roberts will never allow the President or the Republicans in the Senate trial, will never allow the Republicans to solicit information about the allegations against President Obama, to be presented as evidence in the Senate trial.
Even though quid Pro quo is not a crime, it is unconstitutional.
I look forward to you pointing out where in the Constitution quid Pro quo is forbidden, austere scholar that you are.
He should be indicted and convicted and removed from office. Preferably in hand cuffs.
Generally in a democratic republic with the rule of law you actually need a violation of law for that to happen. Trump in not even charged with a parking ticket.
A mixed bag but overall good news.
*Change in non-farm payrolls: +128,000 vs. +85,000 expected and 180,000 in September
*Change in manufacturing payrolls: -36,000 vs. -55,000 expected and -5,000 in September
*Unemployment rate: 3.6% vs. 3.6% expected and +3.5% in September
*Average hourly earnings month-on-month: +0.2% vs. +0.3% expected and 0.0% in September
*Average hourly earnings year-on-year: +3.0% vs. +3.0% expected and 3.0% in September
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Justice Roberts will never allow the President or the Republicans in the Senate trial, will never allow the Republicans to solicit information about the allegations against President Obama, to be presented as evidence in the Senate trial.
Since part of the defense is that Trump is not doing anything that was done by past presidents, information on Obama's abuse of power is going to be introduce.
Including authorizing a spy operation on the Trump presidential campaign. That's a classic abuse of power example.
That is purely political.
The house of representatives shall determine if the President has committed high crimes or misdemeanors.
Solicitation of information to influence the election is Unconstitutional.
You are parroting the talking points by the President and his pathological supporters who lost the last election in the house of representatives.
The unproven allegations are not relevant in the Senate trial.
Good luck with your allegations of a deep state conspiracy theories.
We've had 3 years of unproven allegations.
Trump's personal lawyer, William Barr, has been traveling the world attempting to solicit information about the previous administration. So far, Italy has denied any involvement in the deep state conspiracy theory allegations.
Justice Roberts will never allow the President or the Republicans in the Senate trial, will never allow the Republicans to present the unproven allegations against President Obama. As irrelevant because they are nothing more than unproven allegations.
Non-Sense
Hit the Alky to English button.
"Justice Roberts will never allow the President or the Republicans in the Senate trial, will never allow the Republicans to present the unproven allegations against President Obama. As irrelevant because they are nothing more than unproven allegations. "
Inflation at 1.65 year over year.
Earning in the Prosperous President Era UP strongly. 3% year over year.
Alky, why are you posting Economic news?
You told us it will not be a factor in the 2020 Election.
Fantastic Morning watching the dismantlement of the Democrat party.
Even the FAKE NEWS can't save them anymore.
Though they will continue to "resist" till the end.
But their future is NOT BRIGHT !!!
Justice is hopefully coming and his names are Durham and Barr.
Probably going to have a real interesting conversation with a "whistler" soon too. Schiff will then shit bricks till his eyes pop out.
You call them unproven though you haven't seen tge evidence Durham and Horowitz have gathered. You using the same crystal ball that has worked so miserably over thevyears?
WP was so wrong.
"wphamiltonDecember 18, 2016 at 2:32 PM
Job Growth! Lower Taxes! Unnecessary regulations!
LOL KD, everyone including bleeding hearts say the same things, varying only on WHO is getting lower taxes, and WHICH regulations. And Trump hasn't even said that much. If that's your idea of Trump's agenda, you've proven that you don't really have a clue about what he's going to do. Trump himself doesn't have a clue about it, as much as he's changed his mind during and since the election."
I was/am so Right.
@MZHemingway
Adam Schiff demanded the "whistleblower" be allowed to testify .... until he realized he'd be asked questions about pre-complaint coordination with his office. Coordination that was lied about by both parties
karma will not be kind to Adam Schiff
Solicitation of information to influence the election is Unconstitutional.
So oppo research is unconstitutional? Do you actually know what the 1st amendment means? Austere scholar that you are?
So unless you can point out the actual section that forbids it (hint you can't because it doesn't exist) you're talking out your ass.
Justice Roberts will never allow
Your repeating the same lie over and over again doesn't make any truer, just more tiresome.
Durham and Horowitz are nothing more than people with political opinions.
The Republicans are praying for Barr to find dirt on President Obama.
@SgtTim911
Catherine Herridge: " ... #Morrison said that he was warned about #Vindman's judgment ... there was at least one episode that he was aware of where Vindman went outside the chain of command and this would conflict or undercut Vindman's opening statement ..."
https://twitter.com/SgtTim911/status/1189972797495402496
as a Fox reporter. now going to CBS... maybe they realize they need REAL NEWS reporting to survive.
The unproven allegations are not relevant in the Senate trial.
This is ironic since unproven allegations are at the very heart of this impeachment.
“The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article II, section 4
"Roger AmickOctober 10, 2019 at 3:53 PM
The fact that the economy is doing well, is not going to be the major reason to vote for Trump, if we don't indict and convict him."
Roger Amick said...
Durham and Horowitz are nothing more than people with political opinions.
only in minds destroyed by TDS. both are highly respected professionals with long histories and at the top of their games. They should follow all leads ("this is being run by the white house") and let FACTS determine their actions.
And the surviving emails, text messages, court actions (FISA and prosecutions and 302's) along with witness testimony will provide a MOUNTAIN of facts.
Kind of scares the shit out of democrats who have been closely following this doesn't it.
U.S. Code § 30121.Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a)ProhibitionIt shall be unlawful for—
(1)a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A)a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B)a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C)an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2)a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b)“Foreign national” definedAs used in this section, the term “foreign national” means—
(1)a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term “foreign national” shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2)an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
You know Roger is losing when he just repeats the impeachment clause.
So far the Democrats don't have a case for Treason, Bribery, or any other High Crime or Misdemeanor.
In other words it a political coup.
(2)a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A)
(A)a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(A)a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value,
Other things of value.
The 5 words
Roger, stop, you're embarrassing yourself , again.
Hey goat fucker....stick it in your ear.......BWAAAAAAAA!!!!
“I would like you to do us a favor though.”
Actually the 9 words should get the President impeached and convicted, if the Republicans in the Senate grow any balls.
Actually the 9 words
So far the Democrats don't have a case for Treason, Bribery, or any other High Crime or Misdemeanor.
IOW's you got nothing!!!!!!!! Trumps cavalier attitude about holding ransom for aid is High Crime against America.....you just don't give a shit about your country, cramps...!!!!
I thought for sure this was BabylonBee but no
I am leaving because of a misogynistic culture that gleefully consumed my naked pictures
(A)a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value,
Neither one of us is a lawyer, but you don't understand that the house shall decide if the President has committed high crimes or misdemeanors.
It seems that you can't comprehend what the Constitution says
Roger Amick said...
Actually the 9 words
“I would like you to do us a favor though.”
you might skip that past lo iq but most people can actually count to ten.
And a relevant fact is that Trump uses the word "favor" a LOT. I heard someone who said he had documented hundreds of times. I guess you can try new impeachment strategies using "favor" till you are BLUE in the FACE. Which you obviously are.
Too bad you will never get the chance to do that to QUID PRO JOE or QUID PRO HO. Trump will crush any democrat opponent. Especially when apparent facts are confirmed and the democrats having jumped off the cliff.
U.S. Code § 30121.Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
One could make the argument that the law itself is an unconstitutional violation of the first amendment but we'll leave that for another time. Assuming that it is constitutional:
1. No money was donated to the Trump campaign from a foreign entity.
2. No foreign even promise to contribute money.
3. So that leaves "thing of value". In order for it to be a thing of value you have to be able to place a monetary value on it. Nowhere in the conversation was a thing of value mention. What Trump did was ask for Ukraine help in an investigation into foreign interference in the 2016 election and the accusation that he withheld military aid until Ukraine publicly declare they are starting an investigation. There are two problems with this. a) If the accusation is true it's just a standard diplomatic quid pro quo and not a campaign contribution so it doesn't fall under the law and b) The "quid" and the "pro quo" never happened. Ukraine never started an investigation nor was military aid held up. It was delivered as originally scheduled.
@EmeraldRobinson
If you still cling to the notion that Congress is run by adults, just remember that the House of Reps has been brought to a standstill over closed door hearings where intel officials give their opinions about a phone call that every American can read for himself.
One could make the argument that the law itself is an unconstitutional violation
One could also make the argument that you stole that from an unnamed source! Too lazy for a cite???????
@alx
Remember when @AdamSchiff said the Whistleblower was going to testify?
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1190067978559197187
Sean Davis Retweeted ALX
That was before we learned the so-called whistleblower coordinated w/ Schiff and House Democrats before filing his anti-Trump complaint and lying about his Schiff contacts to the IG. Now Democrats are trying to pretend the little leaker doesn’t even exist.
all an orchestrated charade not being bought by anyone without TDS anymore
Morrison Confirms Quid Pro Quo
October 31, 2019 at 4:32 pm EDT
“A National Security Council aide testified on Thursday that a top diplomat who was close to President Trump told him that a package of military assistance for Ukraine would not be released until the country committed to investigating Mr. Trump’s political rivals, corroborating a key episode at the center of the impeachment inquiry,” the New York Times reports.
“The closed-door deposition by Timothy Morrison, who announced his resignation on Wednesday on the eve of his appearance before impeachment investigators, suggests that a Trump-appointed ambassador proposed a quid pro quo in which security assistance money allocated by Congress would be provided only in exchange for the political investigations the president was seeking. His account confirmed the one given last week by Ambassador William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Ukraine, during his private testimony.”
Aaron Blake: If Republicans think Tim Morrison’s testimony is good news for Trump, they’re grasping at straws.
@thebradfordfile
WELL, WELL, WELL --
NSC Official Tim Morrison testified today that Bill Taylor made multiple false assertions AND there was nothing illegal about the infamous Ukraine phone call.
It's a COUP!
a coup fed by lies
One could also make the argument that you stole that from an unnamed source!
Not exactly unnamed, It was written by James Madison.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
As the impeachment inquiry kicks into high gear, it appears that the president is essentially giving a cash reward to senators who have his back.
Political bullshit again!
“A National Security Council aide testified on Thursday that a top diplomat who was close to President Trump told him that a package of military assistance for Ukraine would not be released until the country committed to investigating Mr. Trump’s political rivals
A guy told a guy an opinion. That didn't age well.
Where did you steal that?
The problem with this is that the solicitation of help from a foreign nation is unconstitutional, whether or not the money was withheld or not.
I didn't steal this.
Federal law prohibits a foreign national from directly or indirectly making a “contribution or donation of money or other thing of value” in connection with a U.S. election, and prohibits a person from soliciting, accepting or receiving such a contribution or donation from a foreign national. Federal law defines “contribution” to include “any gift … of money or anything of value made by any person for the purpose of influencing any election for Federal office.” And the FEC by regulation defines “solicit” to mean “to ask, request, or recommend, explicitly or implicitly, that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.”
And that’s all the law requires. Whether or not Ukraine came through, whether or not the communications involved a quid pro quo, the solicitation of a thing of value from the Ukraine President in connection with a Ukraine is a violation of the law.
https://www.justsecurity.org/66277/the-quid-is-a-crime-no-need-to-prove-pro-quo-in-ukrainegate/
But we have a person who listened to the conversation with the President of Ukraine.
The problem with this is that the solicitation of help from a foreign nation is unconstitutional
Well we're in luck because it is not unconstitutional. In fact practically the only limit the constitution puts on a president's authority to conduct foreign policy is that treaties have to be confirmed by the senate.
Something that was regularly ignored by Barack Obama by the way.
Presidents can ask favors of foreign nations until the cows come home and it's perfectly legal and proper. And in return the president can grant favors to foreign nations. There's term for that.
Oh yeah, quid pro quo.
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