➡️ The president never told you about any preconditions for aid?— Rep Andy Biggs (@RepAndyBiggsAZ) November 20, 2019
๐จ No
➡️ The president never told you about any preconditions for a White House meeting?
๐จ No pic.twitter.com/0ExsoAxLSR
If this boils down to soundbites when this is all over, there will be a 60 second ad running on behalf of the President doing little more than showing witness after witness admitting that they have no evidence of any corrupt intent, any crimes, or even any direct evidence that the President did what he was accused of doing (blocking aid in exchange for investigations into Hunter and Joe Biden).
On the flip side, Democrats are still required to manufacture their case from bits and pieces here and there, where they have to use implied logic, strawman fallacies, assumptions, speculation, and of course lots of hearsay that was never confirmed by the people closest to the President.
Much less any preconditions on the aid being held up over the investigations into the Biden (which has not actually been confirmed to be a real thing)... which is what the Democrats claim is he bribe. https://t.co/PJzLHdzERh— C.H. Truth (@C_H_Truth) November 20, 2019
I find it interesting that liberals are looking at this from the standpoint that the person who has the direct knowledge of something can be "contradicted" and somehow legally overruled by someone who is providing the hearsay. The fact remains that hearsay is not reliable to the degree that it is almost never allowed in criminal and civil courts, and pretty much never allowed if the court can provide the first hand account.
It is becoming more and more evident that the intention of Schiff and the Democrats is not to actually prove what they claim to prove, but rather to parade deep state actors to the witness stand to provide their disapproval of the President's policy and the manner in which he implements it. Seems like a pretty serious forum for one Party to be basically doing little more than airing out political and policy disagreements. The public is growing weary...
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Ambassidor Sonland: "What do you want [from Ukraine]?
President Trump: "I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zalinsky to do the right thing."
Cleared that up with a Bow.
@BreakingNLive
BREAKING NEWS: Head of the Ukrainian Burisma gas Company Indicted, Hunter Biden named accepting millions more from slush fund
MORE: An indictment drawn up by Ukraine's Office of the Prosecutor General against Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevsky claims that Hunter Biden and his partners received $16.5 million for their 'services', Ukrainian MP Alexander Dubinsky says
appears kind of relevant but probably skipped over by the MSM and the likes.
Sondland testified that "no one in the entire world told him President Trump demanded a quid pro quo." He "presumed" it all.
Oh Lordie.
Pay for Play.
"Clinton Foundation Donations Plunge, Reaching 16-Year Low"
In Sondlands 13 page opening statement, he did not include Trump's quote posted above. Jim Jordan hammered him for it too.
Not even 13 pages. 23 pages. And still, the most important quote is left out.
The Senate confirmed yet another of President Trump's picks to a federal circuit court seat Wednesday in a vote that tilts the balance of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals to a GOP-appointed majority."
Cool
"MyballsNovember 20, 2019 at 2:35 PM
Not even 13 pages. 23 pages. And still, the most important quote is left out."
He said he ran out of room. ๐
Gordon Sondland Accuses Trump of Bribery
November 20, 2019 at 3:38 pm EST
Benjamin Wittes:
“Seeking investigations of political foes for personal political gain is a prototypically corrupt. But beyond that, Sondland was clear in his testimony that Trump wasn’t actually asking for the investigations themselves, but merely the announcement of them. In other words, he wanted not an investigation of corruption, but the political optics of Ukraine’s declaring that his political opponents were under investigation. What’s more, Sondland also confirmed that Trump seemed not to care a whit about Ukraine—that he only cared about the investigations that could benefit him.
“In short, a witness with first-hand knowledge of both U.S. interactions with the Ukrainians and the president’s own conduct today accused President Trump of soliciting a bribe from a foreign head of state. Whether or not this would qualify as a bribe under the criminal law, I would have no hesitation describing it as one if I were a member of Congress considering the impeachment of a president.”
Oh good the Joke is back to spam.
James, unlike you we don't need some one to tell us what the Gordon Sondland said.
Actually James....
That's a distortion of the facts. Sondland later in his testimony revised that statement to mean that the investigation did not have to "start taking place" prior to the meeting at the White House, rather than suggesting that did not have to "take place ever". Sondland stated that if the investigations were promised publicly that they would have a tough time backing out of them.
Moreover, as many have pointed out... the Aid was contingent (based on the Congressional appropriation of it) on Ukraine agreeing to anti-corruption measures.
But hey, the best you got out of this is a little distortion of the real truth (along with some serious omission of fact) as a talking point!
All the GOP/Trump got was another clear cut admission from another witness that he had zero actual first hand knowledge or any actual evidence of the Democrat's allegations, much less a crime.
In the real world.
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Building permits Oct. 1.461 mln ⬆️
In the real world
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Housing startsOct. 1.314 mln ⬆️
The Unions, Ranchers and Farmers want to know why Palsy has yet to put to a vote the USMC?
Actually, Ambassador Sondland testified today under oath that there was a clear quid pro quo over Ukraine, and that several people were in the loop, including Pompeio.
Several Top Democrats Lead Trump In Georgia
A new SurveyUSA poll in Georgia finds Joe Biden ahead of President Trump, 47% to 43%.
In other match ups: Bernie Sanders edges Trump, 47% to 44%, Elizabeth Warren is barely ahead 46% to 45%, while Trump edges Pete Buttigieg, 45% to 41%.
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Vindman Demands Fox News Retract Espionage Allegation
“Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman is hitting back at the smear campaign against him,” the New York Times reports.
“A lawyer for Colonel Vindman, the National Security Council’s Ukraine expert, sent a warning letter to Fox News on Wednesday seeking a retraction or correction of an October segment hosted by one of the network’s biggest personalities, Laura Ingraham, which baselessly suggested that the colonel, a decorated Iraq war veteran, might be guilty of espionage.”
Lol@Jane
“A lawyer for Colonel Vindman, the National Security Council’s Ukraine expert, sent a warning letter to Fox News on Wednesday seeking a retraction or correction of an October segment"
Oops, they got his title wrong. Guess he will need to sue his lawyers or the NYT too.
And boy is he going to be in a world of hurt if the whistleblower ends up being Eric Ciaramella.
You can probably see a big grin on AG Barr all the way from the Ukraine.
Yes, You are the Father.
"Hunter Biden is the father of Arkansas woman’s baby, DNA test shows
by Caitlin Yilek
| November 20, 2019 03:58 PM"
@paulsperry_
Eric Ciaramella's old NSC crony & now-top Schiff aide Sean Misko slipped into impeachment hearing late in the evening yesterday, took a seat behind Rep. Terri Sewell (D-AL) & shook his head and rolled his eyes during Amb. Volker's testimony #CoConspirators
Amazing what you can find out if you don't rely on FAKE NEWS
Forced to take the test, Hunter was 47, married at the time he knocked up the 26 year old girl.
"Biden, 49, agreed to take the paternity last month after 28-year-old Lunden Roberts claimed he was the father of her 1-year-old child. Biden has publicly denied he was the father, but Roberts said Biden had admitted otherwise to her in private."
Given his $1 + million dollar income the babies Mama is set for life.
U.S. Ambassador to the EU, Gordon Sondland, just confirmed what we’ve known all along:
Donald Trump used his position as president to attempt to bribe and intimidate a foreign power for his political gain.
It has never been more clear that Trump is a threat to our democracy.
Ukrainian Indictment Claims $7.4 Billion Obama-Linked Laundering, Puts Biden Group Take At $16.5 Million
Franklin Templeton named
According to Interfax-Ukraine, MP Andriy Derkach announced at the same press conference that deputies have received new materials from investigative journalists alleging that the 'family' of ex-President Yanukovych funneled $7.4 billion through American investment firm Franklin Templeton Investments, which they claim have connections to the US Democratic party."
"Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of "criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion," said Derkach, adding that the money was criminally obtained and invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013 - 2014.
"The son of Templeton's founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama's major campaign donors". Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. "It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama's national security advisor"," Derkach added.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-indictment-reveals-hunter-biden-group-made-165-million-mp
at this point what difference does it make ?
Lol. There must be another ambassador sondland.
Wow.
๐Donald Trump used his position as president to attempt to bribe and intimidate a foreign power for his political gain.๐คฃ
Damn BRAIN damaged AlkY
"MyballsNovember 20, 2019 at 3:49 PM
Lol. There must be another ambassador sondland"
Roger is seeing double, next up, the Pink Elephant.
“I know that members of this committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a ‘quid pro quo?’ ” Sondland said in sworn testimony. “With regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.”
Spin in circles but the bombshell was the incumbent President has admitted in a public statement that the Ukrainian government should investigate into the Bidens and the Dossier.
Whether or not this would qualify as a bribe under the criminal law, I would have no hesitation describing it as one if I were a member of Congress considering the impeachment of a president.”
In other words, fuck the law impeach him anyway. They really are desperate.
https://youtu.be/HwmlZ85RHPI
China is already investigating the Bidens, but the Ukrainian government should follow up with an investigation!
Was there a ‘quid pro quo?’ ” Sondland said in sworn testimony. “With regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.”
He also said in sworn testimony that "no one in the entire world told him President Trump demanded a quid pro quo." He "presumed" it all.
So which sworn testimony do you believe. Presumption of innocents would favor Trump on this point.
It's getting more explosive because his own Three Stooges are in trouble!
President Donald Trump’s top Europe envoy Gordon Sondland told House impeachment investigators Wednesday that Trump conditioned a valuable White House meeting for Ukraine's new president on his willingness to launch investigations into Trump’s Democratic adversaries, including former Vice President Joe Biden.
“Was there a ‘quid pro quo?’” Sondland — a close Trump ally and longtime GOP donor — said in his opening remarks to the House Intelligence Committee. “The answer is yes.”
Sondland's testimony, the most explosive in a series of public impeachment hearings, riveted lawmakers, portraying Trump as the driver of an effort to pressure a foreign power to investigate his political rivals. Democrats quickly seized on the bombshell testimony as they seek to make the case that Trump abused his power by conditioning official acts to benefit his re-election campaign.
But it went further than that: Sondland said the scheme was widely known, understood and discussed at the highest levels of the Trump administration“Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret,” said the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, adding that he directly communicated the “quid pro quo” to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
Sondland indicated that senior officials including acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and even cabinet secretaries were aware of the arrangement — and that it was carried out at the “express direction” of the president. Sondland specifically cited a July 19 email copied to Mulvaney, Energy Secretary Rick Perry, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and “a lot of senior officials.” In that email, he reveals that he “just talked to Zelensky” and secured a commitment for a “fully transparent investigation.”
Actually, Ambassador Sondland testified today under oath that there was a clear quid pro quo over Ukraine,
No James, he testified he presume there was one. "no one in the entire world told him President Trump demanded a quid pro quo."
It's a bitch when the opposition gets to cross-examine.
post the good part, alky:
Democrats have already questioned Sondland’s honesty, noting that he could not recall crucial moments during his closed-door testimony. Some Republicans, too, have wondered whether Sondland was acting on his own when he muscled his way into meetings on the U.S.-Ukraine relationship.
The questions about Sondland’s credibility came into focus when Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.) accused Sondland of evading his questions. Sondland responded by saying he resented the implication, causing Maloney to interject.
“All due respect sir, we respect your candor, but let’s be really clear what it took to get it out of you,” Maloney said.
oh, and your stolen link, alky:
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/20/gordon-sondland-impeachment-testimony-071708
if your entire case hinges on sondland's testimony, you clowns are FUCKED.
Not explosive (unless you count it blowing up in the Democrats face). No bombshell either.
More like a dud.
Roger stupidly thinks feelings trumps facts.
In other words, fuck the law impeach him anyway. They really are desperate.
the blowback from this could be that if the GOP takes back the house and they decide to look into traitors like sondland and vindman and the rest of these scumbags, some of these guys probably end up in jail for lying to congress.
Here's the good part:
https://www.businessinsider.com/jackie-speier-applauded-saying-trump-gets-5-pinocchios-a-day-2019-11
Morning Greatness: Lt. Col. Polly PrissyPants Speaks His Truth
https://amgreatness.com/2019/11/20/morning-greatness-lt-col-polly-prissypants-speaks-his-truth/
LOL
"The President of the United States gets five Pinnochios on a daily basis, so let's not go there."
Knee slapper, that!
Vindman is certainly in trouble. He could be facing a JAG investigating for:
1. Lying to Congress.
2. Divulging classified information to unauthorized persons.
3. Insubordination for going around his chain of command.
4. Conduct unbecoming a US army officer for working against his commander in Chief lawful direction and unauthorized contact with foreign heads of state.
James nobody cares what a two-bit leftest says.
Pompeio is coming under withering criticism for being too cowardly to stick up for his own people.
hey pederast,
ask speier how many of her CA constituents will be sitting in the dark tonight.
the total number without power in mexifornia is now up to 375,000.
thanks to liberalism, CA looks increasingly like north korea when viewed from space AT NIGHT.
Humor
After further questioning of Sondland, Starr said the case for impeachment remains "muddy [and] murky" and that removing a president should not be based on evidence that is "subject to interpretation." Starr also said it was a "shocking omission" for Sondland not to include in his opening statement the details of a phone conversation with Trump about Ukraine.
"President Trump, when I asked him the open-ended question, what do you want from Ukraine? His answer was 'I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing.' That's all I got from President Trump," Sondland recalled.
Did Alky's Top pick Kamel Toe Harris make the stage tonight?
The Actual words of Sondland make him look silly.
On cross examination he knew very little .
He , did know his opinion.
James said...
Pompeio is coming under withering criticism for being too cowardly to stick up for his own people.
no he's not.
pompeo is learning that an enormous number of his career diplomats are liars and traitors. certainly not the type of ingrates an honorable man like pompeo would choose to defend.
any "withering criticism" (LOL) is coming from scumbag liberals.
like this scumbag liberal:
Opinion
Mike Pompeo: Last in His Class at West Point in Integrity
The secretary of state’s behavior has been cowardly and self-serving.
Thomas L. Friedman
By Thomas L. Friedman
Opinion Columnist
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/18/opinion/mike-pompeo.html
a coward like freidman wouldn't last 60 seconds alone in a room with pompeo.
๐Sondland said, “President Trump never told me directly that the aid was conditioned” on the investigations; “I never heard from President Trump that aid was conditioned on an announcement” of investigations; and that “I don’t recall President Trump ever talking to me about any security assistance, ever.”๐ถ
pompeo is learning that an enormous number of his career diplomats are liars and traitors.
Your complete and utter unfounded opinion you dumb fuck....!!!!! Pompeo like you will continue the sucking as long as he has a job....like the rest.....he will be tossed under the bus once his usefulness is overcome by events!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Fat ass Pompeo will be winded quicker than you asshole!!!!!
WITHOUT YOUR BULLSHIT, HERE'S THE TRUTH:
The Atlantic David A. Graham 7 hrs ago
The Two Most Important Sentences of the Impeachment Hearings
“Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.”
Those are the two most important sentences in today’s opening statement by Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union. Sondland’s public testimony was the most hotly anticipated of the impeachment inquiry, and even before Sondland uttered a word this morning, he’d lived up to his billing.
In a blistering statement, Sondland testified that the president had PERSONALLY DIRECTED American efforts TO EXTORT Ukraine’s president into announcing two investigations that would aid Donald Trump in his 2020 reelection effort.
“I know that members of this committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a quid pro quo?” Sondland said. “The answer is YES.”
As it has become clear that there was a quid pro quo, Trump’s defenders have insisted that the president didn’t direct the effort. Sondland, who reportedly was in direct touch with Trump, destroyed that too, tracing the pressure TO TRUMP via his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani.
“Mr. Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing investigations of the 2016 election/DNC server and Burisma. Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the president of the United States, and we knew that these investigations were important to the president.”
He also said: “We all understood that these prerequisites for the White House call and White House meeting reflected President Trump’s desires and requirements.”
Sondland is an imperfect messenger. His opening statement represents what is effectively his third account of the Ukraine scandal. He first testified behind closed doors. Then, after leaks from those depositions contradicted Sondland’s testimony, he appended changes. Now he offers a third version. His shift on the question of a quid pro quo is notable, for example: Previously, Sondland testified that Trump told him there was no quid pro quo. There’s no direct factual conflict: Trump saying that there was no quid pro quo isn’t mutually exclusive with the obvious fact that there was one.
But the difference in interpretation is important, and it suggests that REPUBLICAN ATTEMPTS TO PIN THE UKRAINE SCANDAL ON SONDLAND MAY HAVE BACKFIRED. Sondland seems to be turning on Trump (and Giuliani) to save himself. Sondland’s version now echoes the account offered yesterday by Kurt Volker, Trump’s former special envoy to Ukraine: BOTH SAY THEY JUST WANTED TO HELP UKRAINE, and gritted their teeth and worked with Giuliani to do so.
“WE DID NOT WANT to work with Mr. Giuliani,” Sondland said. “Simply put, we played the hand we were dealt. We all understood that if we refused to work with Mr. Giuliani, we would lose an important opportunity to cement relations between the United States and Ukraine. So we followed the president’s ORDERS.”
Yet despite well-founded questions about Sondland’s credibility, his newest version largely adds up with the growing evidence in the inquiry. The testimony has shown, in aggregate, a clear picture: Trump was OBSESSED with the Burisma and 2016 investigations, bringing them up repeatedly, and the administration resolved to withhold a promised White House meeting for Ukraine’s president and military aid until they were announced.
Some of the witnesses, including staffers in the diplomatic corps and on the National Security Council, have testified to their bewilderment about the holds. Others, who were better informed, have offered evidence of both the quid pro quo and Trump’s involvement, while avoiding drawing the conclusions that Sondland did today. A third tranche, those who are perhaps best informed—Giuliani, Trump, Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Energy Secretary Rick Perry—have REFUSED TO TESTIFY.
But Sondland’s testimony shows that far from freelancing a crazy scheme, he was working closely with the president and with top policy makers in the administration, keeping them apprised. This also explains the reaction to Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The call, and a partial transcript of it, set off alarm bells throughout the policy-making staff of the administration. Trump had veered off script, talking about the investigations and airing the 2016 conspiracy theory.
Some aides concluded that the call was inappropriate; others worried that the president had broken the law; and some, while not deeming it wrong, knew that it would be politically explosive if made public. The transcript was quickly moved to a highly classified server. But some of the very highest officials seemed unbothered and unsurprised by the call, and Sondland offered an explanation for why: They all understood what was happening.
“I have now identified certain State Department emails and messages that provide contemporaneous support for my view,” he said. “These emails show that the leadership of State, NSC, and the White House were ALL INFORMED about the Ukraine efforts from May 23, 2019, until the security aid was released on September 11, 2019.”
Sondland’s testimony simply states what should be clear: The effort to extract investigations from Ukraine in exchange for helping Trump’s political fortunes was extortion, and the president directed it. Everyone knows. The question is just whether, like Sondland, they are finally willing to admit it.
Two weeks in when do the real witnesses with the bombshells, dropping shoes a noose show up.
So far this is A "No go".
Even progressive California failed to force the power companies to do the right thing. If they really cared about their customers, really cared about people rather than only profit, they would have buried their fire-causing power lines long ago.
But of course that was abetted too by climate change, something else fascistic capitalists do not want to face.
Even progressive California failed to force the power companies to do the right thing. If they really cared about their customers, really cared about people rather than only profit, they would have buried their fire-causing power lines long ago.
Typical, dipshit doesn't understand how difficult and expensive it is to bury power lines after the fact. Especially in an earthquake zone.
And we haven't even begin talking about the health effect of electromagnet radiation from buried power lines close to human activity.
It's cheaper and more effective to clear the brush under the power lines but the environment wackos in the California state legislature won't allow them to.
“Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.”
Because there was no crime! Everyone thought it was okay!
Because there was no crime! Everyone thought it was okay!
Because there was no crime! Everyone thought it was okay!
Because there was no crime! Everyone thought it was okay!
Because there was no crime! Everyone thought it was okay!
Because there was no crime! Everyone thought it was okay!
Even progressive California failed to force the power companies to do the right thing. If they really cared about their customers, really cared about people rather than only profit
My god you are one stupid old, man. They are a utility
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