I think after the dust settled and the entire thing turned out to be a divisive exercise in futility, the consensus was that the Kavanaugh hearing were a lose lose for everyone involved. Apparently, however, Democrats seem to believe differently, as they are taking much the same approach in the current Presidential impeachment hearings.
The questions posed and situational similarities are that Kavanaugh faces scrutiny that no other USSC justice had ever gone through, and was basically forced to defend himself against allegations that something had happened literally decades ago. Not only was this sort of High School behavior never before considered in a hearing over a Justice, but never before was someone provided such a forum to register accusations that quite literally had no evidence (tangible or testimonial) to back them up.
But we have seemed to have entered a new phase of societal inquisitions, where any and all allegations are assumed to be true, and the accused is sort of on the hook to prove his or her innocent. You hear liberals and the media time and time again tell us things like "if there is nothing to hide, then why not welcome the inquisition"? Why not indeed?
The best thing that came of the Kavanaugh hearings is that it ultimately didn't do what it was designed to do. The design was not about justice, but rather to prevent the President from being able to get a USSC nominee confirmed prior to the 2018 election, when Democrats were sure they could take over the Senate and prevent future Trump confirmations. Meanwhile Kavanaugh, his family and friends are forever tainted, as is Ford and the other witnesses. But ultimately he sits on the court anyways. A symbol of perseverance in the face of unrelenting false attacks.
Obviously the President will still be President once this impeachment hearing is over. But was the goal simply to taint the President, as Kavanaugh was tainted? It sure seems that way, and it certainly appears that this is a new political blue print. That accusations no longer need evidence or proof in order for them to appear credible or demand an inquisition. In many ways, this is a much larger and more obvious example of abuse of power, than the one the President is accused (without evidence) of committing.
I think that is a bad thing... and I think we can look back at the Kavanaugh hearings as the event that set this all in motion.
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This may "taint" the president but I see him wearing it as a badge of honor.
The democrats will be tainted with a badge of shame.
Forever.
And does Ch believe Trump did not get involved with a porn star? He SAYS he didn't.
Pelosi Slams McConnell for Cover-Up
Speaker Nancy Pelosi put out a statement slamming Sen. Mitch McConnell’s resolution outlining rules for the impeachment trial as a “sham proposal” and “cover-up for the president.”
Trump Sets New Record for Party Polarization
Gallup:
“Eighty-two percentage points separated Republicans’ (89%) and Democrats’ (7%) average job approval ratings of President Trump during his third year in office. This is the largest degree of political polarization in any presidential year measured by Gallup, surpassing the 79-point party gap in Trump’s second year in office.”
“I am much more correct right now having done all the research.”
— Alan Dershowitz, on CNN, on his current views of what qualifies a president for impeachment despite holding opposite views during the Clinton impeachment.
Suuurrrre you are, you unprincipled sycophant!
Most Say Trump Encouraged Election Interference
January 21, 2020 at 7:19 am EST
A new NPR poll found that 51% of respondents thought President Trump had encouraged malicious activities related to U.S. elections.
A slightly higher number, 56%, said that Trump had done nothing to prevent future interference in U.S. elections from occurring.
Nearly Half Give Trump a ‘D’ or ‘F’
January 21, 2020 at 8:55 am EST
A new Morning Consult/Politico poll, which asked voters to grade President Trump on a scale from A to F, found 38% gave him an F and 11% gave him a D.
In contrast, 21% of respondents said the president deserves an A while 17% said he gets a B.
Flake Says Republicans Are on Trial with Trump
January 21, 2020 at 9:06 am EST
Former Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) told CBS News that the Republicans’ “cult of personality” around President Trump will hurt the party even after the president leaves office.
Said Flake: “This president won’t be there forever. He’ll either be gone by this time next year or four years from now. Then what happens to the Republican Party? My fear is people out there know that, even if this is not an impeachable offense, that the president did something wrong, and for Republicans to maintain that he didn’t is just wrong, and this has long-term ramifications for the party if we act as if we are just devoted to the president no matter what, and this cult of personality that we’ve seen, we certainly saw it in the House.”
HISTORY WILL NOT BE KIND.h
GAO Report Will Become Focus at Impeachment Trial
January 21, 2020 at 9:11 am EST
“A Government Accountability Office report accusing President Trump of violating the law is taking on heightened importance at the start of his impeachment trial,” Axios reports.
“The key argument Trump’s legal team plans to make is that the articles of impeachment are deficient on their face because, unlike previous impeachment attempts, they don’t allege that Trump broke the law. But Democrats plan to highlight how the report… clearly finds that the Trump administration violated the law.”
Said one Democratic leadership aide:
“This is a big part of our case. It shows the extent to the president went to to advance his scheme; he went so far to break the law. It’s an important piece of evidence and only adds to the mountain and body of evidence that we already have.”
House Managers Say Trump Lawyer Is a Witness
January 21, 2020 at 9:42 am EST
The House impeachment managers said in a letter to President Trump’s top lawyer, White House counsel Pat Cipollone, that he is a “material fact witness” and must disclose evidence before the start of the trial.
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IKYMI - Direction of Country FANTASTIC NEWS !!!
Rasmussen Reports
@Rasmussen_Poll
45% Alert: This week’s finding is up five points from a week ago, & is the highest finding since February 2017.
By comparison, this number ran in the mid- to upper 20s for much of 2016, President Obama's last full year in office.
*ICYMI !!!
ROFLMFAO !!!
Payroll and wage growths fell short of expectations.
ICYMI
Rolling on Floor, Weeping
The House impeachment managers said in a letter to President Trump’s top lawyer, White House counsel Pat Cipollone, that he is a “material fact witness” and must disclose evidence before the start of the trial.
LOL... then why didn't they call (or mention) Pat Cipollone during their impeachment hearings. Do they even understand how the rule of law works?
My best guess is that they really don't want to call Cipollone, but rather just want him to state the obvious (that he is the President's attorney and is bound by privilege) because they feel like it will sound to their moron supporters as more "obstruction".
Schiff Says No Vindication Will Come from Rigged Trial
House impeachment manager Adam Schiff said that if the Senate does not allow witnesses and documents at trial, the chamber will be guilty of “working with the President to obstruct the truth from coming out.
“And if the Senate and the Senate leadership will not allow the House to present its case, will not allow the calling of witnesses or presentation of documents, if Sen. McConnell makes this the first impeachment trial in history without witnesses or documents, it will not prove the President innocent — it will merely prove the Senate guilty of working with the President to obstruct the truth from coming out.”
I WISH HE HAD NOT SAID THAT.
The House impeachment managers said in a letter to President Trump’s top lawyer, White House counsel Pat Cipollone, that he is a “material fact witness”
Ironic when you consider Adam Schiff is a material fact witness. I suspect that this is a gambit from the impeachment managers to prevent GOP lawyers from calling Schiff.
Don't think it's going to work however.
All James provides
Ch, I don't remember you ever answering James's question.
Surely you want to give a proper answer to what he asked, so I am putting it here again so that you can show that you are not ducking it, but will answer it directly and, as he suggested, directly and simply.
_________
James posted:
Trump Allies Work to Prevent Bolton’s Testimony
“President Trump’s legal defense team and Senate GOP allies are quietly gaming out contingency plans should Democrats win enough votes to force witnesses to testify in the impeachment trial, including an effort to keep former national security adviser John Bolton from the spotlight.
“One option being discussed would be to move Bolton’s testimony to a classified setting because of national security concerns, ensuring that it is not public.
“But that proposal, discussed among some Senate Republicans in recent days, is seen as a final tool against Bolton becoming an explosive figure in the trial. First, Republicans involved in the discussions said, would come a fierce battle in the courts.”
__________________
JAMES'S QUESTION:
"Ch, why are Republicans so DESPERATE to keep Bolton from testifying? Isn't he a hero of the right wing of the party, known for telling it the way he sees it? Know for his truthfulness? Known for his patriotism and allegiance to the Constitution?
"Why then this desperation about him testifying? He has said he would.
"Help us understand this, Ch, and explain it simply, without your usual loquacious obfuscations.
Ch, I'm sure we would all benefit from a simple, direct answer to James's question.
Schiff Says No Vindication Will Come from Rigged Trial
Since Schiff will considered anything the senate does short of letting him run a 3 ring circus a rigged trial it doesn't mean a hell of a lot.
But the senate is not going to get away with it.
And since the impeachment articles are so self-evidentially deficient, they will likely be dismissed after arguments to wide public support.
Ch, why are Republicans so DESPERATE to keep Bolton from testifying?
James thinks Bolton is the silver bullet. I think they are being setup.
I really wish Commonsense had not said, "The Senate will not get away with it."
I'm afraid that's true. If the Senate is not careful, the public perception of their hiding so much evidence and refusing to have a real trial by letting knowledgeable witnesses testify will cause a reaction in the public ("What are they hiding? What is Trump hiding?")that will work against our beloved President.
YOU SEE? THIS IS WHAT I'M AFRAID OF
Majority Support Allowing New Impeachment Evidence
January 21, 2020
A new Monmouth poll finds 57% of Americans say that House managers should be able to introduce new evidence in the Senate impeachment trial of President Trump.
Most also say that Trump and members of his administration should be asked to appear at the trial.
________
Said pollster Patrick Murray:
“Public opinion on allowing new evidence and compelling witness testimony in the Senate trial breaks sharply along partisan lines. But it is interesting that solid majorities in every partisan group would like to see Trump and members of his administration at least asked to appear.”
It was obviously a mistake for our President to announce how happy he would be to appear and defend himself by confronting his accusers. We must NOT let that happen. It would be a disaster!
Dems have a heluva lot of nerve to bitch about the seats process after the shit show they put on to get us here. Even Indy voters have had enough.
pederast do you have any idea of how absolutely boring you are?
Lying POS "pastor" and waterboy James Boswell. Normal Illinois formerly known as "james"
calling himself "JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY"
PRICELESS !
ROFLMFAO !!!
Tim Donnelly
@PatriotNotPol
Atkinson testified in Schiff's basement. We haven't seen his testimony yet. I wonder what he said that Schiff doesn't want us to know.
Adam Schiff and the Case of the Unreleased Atkinson Transcript https://theepochtimes.com/adam-schiff-and-the-case-of-the-unreleased-atkinson-transcript_3163577.html… via
@epochtimes
omitted in political_lire
ROFLMFAO !!!
Mitt commenting on the democrats, saying that if everything is an outrage then nothing is an outrage.
Even indys and moderates who don't care much for Trump are turned off by the screaming and table banging we're gerti,g from dems.
Rep Andy Biggs
@RepAndyBiggsAZ
It cannot be stated enough that it was Adam Schiff who falsely misrepresented President @realDonaldTrump's call, then took his hearings to his secret bunker to shut out the POTUS's counsel, the media, the American people, & most Members of Congress.
That's the real cover-up.
not copied from political_lire by the POS "pastor"
ROFLMFAO !!!
Even indys and moderates who don't care much for Trump are turned off by the screaming and table banging we're getting from dems.
People like the frothing "pastor" are becoming the face of the dem party.
Sen. Cornyn: Dems are in 'state of panic' about their weak impeachment case
“It sounds to me they're in a state of panic,” the member of the Senate Judiciary Committee told “America’s Newsroom,” making a point that Democrats are confronting the fact that their case is failing to meet the standard of a high crime or misdemeanor.
Cornyn went on to say, “[Democrats] realize that what they did through the partisan impeachment inquiry that was rushed in order to meet the Christmas deadline by Nancy Pelosi is not up to the standard necessary to convict and remove a president of the United States.”
https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-cornyn-dems-state-panic-impeachment-case
not copied from political_lire by the POS "pastor"
ROFLMFAO !!!
I get my information from Fox News, which is considered a sterling source of unbiased, balanced information.
But wait.... Is that raucous laughter I'm hearing?
Now your stupid crazy old ass is hearing voices?
Republicans Are Planning a Show, Not a Trial
“Republicans are planning a show, not a trial. The sooner Democrats start realizing this, the better off they’ll be.
“Trump’s legal team, including not one but two of Jeffrey Epstein’s defenders, wasn’t selected on the basis of academic prowess, knowledge, or experience, but notoriety and willingness to work for this unapologetic criminal. Its biggest names are representing Trump not in spite of but because of the fact that they are flashy media characters.
“The Democrats will need to show not only expertise on the subject matter at hand, but some passion and fire in the course of this. They’ll need to bring more energy and direction to the floor of the Senate. Trump and McConnell aren’t hiding their cards: Rules are for suckers; dignity is for marks; and this is a bar fight, not a debating society.”
Starr and Dershowitz weren't selected for their academic prowess?? You'll cling to anything.
Tim Donnelly
@PatriotNotPol
A #Coverup is destroying 33,000 emails that are under subpoena.
Evaluating the charges alleged without trying to strengthen them is not a #coverup.
What the FBI and Hillary did was obstruction of justice.
And EVERYONE knows that.
not copied from political_lire by the POS "pastor"
ROFLMFAO !!!
Shem Horne
@Shem_Infinite
Chuck Schumer has been talking for only five minutes and I am already over the lies and fake outrage from the Democrats. This trial will be unwatchable trash.
Well it may be fun to watch the destruction of the dem party but I have better things to do as do most Americans
not copied from political_lire by the POS "pastor"
Irrational behavior
Ithink after the dust settled and the entire thing turned out to be a divisive exercise in futility, the consensus was that the Kavanaugh hearing were a lose lose for everyone involved. Apparently, however, Democrats seem to believe differently, as they are taking much the same approach in the current Presidential impeachment hearings.
The questions posed and situational similarities are that Kavanaugh faces scrutiny that no other USSC justice had ever gone through, and was basically forced to defend himself against allegations that something had happened literally decades ago. Not only was this sort of High School behavior never before considered in a hearing over a Justice, but never before was someone provided such a forum to register accusations that quite literally had no evidence (tangible or testimonial) to back them up.
But we have seemed to have entered a new phase of societal inquisitions, where any and all allegations are assumed to be true, and the accused is sort of on the hook to prove his or her innocent. You hear liberals and the media time and time again tell us things like "if there is nothing to hide, then why not welcome the inquisition"? Why not indeed?
The best thing that came of the Kavanaugh hearings is that it ultimately didn't do what it was designed to do. The design was not about justice, but rather to prevent the President from being able to get a USSC nominee confirmed prior to the 2018 election, when Democrats were sure they could take over the Senate and prevent future Trump confirmations. Meanwhile Kavanaugh, his family and friends are forever tainted, as is Ford and the other witnesses. But ultimately he sits on the court anyways. A symbol of perseverance in the face of unrelenting false attacks.
Obviously the President will still be President once this impeachment hearing is over. But was the goal simply to taint the President, as Kavanaugh was tainted? It sure seems that way, and it certainly appears that this is a new political blue print. That accusations no longer need evidence or proof in order for them to appear credible or demand an inquisition. In many ways, this is a much larger and more obvious example of abuse of power, than the one the President is accused (without evidence) of committing.
I think that is a bad thing... and I think we can look back at the Kavanaugh hearings as the event that set this all in motion.
rick wilson.
LOL.
up next:
max boot, bill kristol and david french.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Irrational behavior
says the guy locked in a nursing home copy/pasting 6 paragraphs that he can't possibly begin to comprehend let alone evaluate and offer an informed opinion on.
Majority Support Allowing New Impeachment Evidence
Allowing for the intently bias poll the question is rather misleading and pre-mature since most people don't know what pathetically weak case it is.
I'm not locked up in the a nursing home.
I'm not a lying racist rodent bastard.
new evidence?
heh.
this is where the democrats really begin to count on their destruction of our public education system and control of the media working in their favor.
the evidentiary phase of this fiasco began and ended in the house.
the senate evaluates the evidence collected and presented. period.
the pederast and the alky are imbeciles.
Your education was a complete mess.
I will escape from the nursery and go back to the gym today. Lolokoo
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The President's post college behavior was an attempted bribery.
"if there is nothing to hide, then why not welcome the inquisition"? Why not indeed?
Exactly correct if you actually used the educated behavior you obviously failed.
Starr and Dershowitz weren't selected for their academic prowess?? You'll cling to anything.
Starr was once on the short list for a USSC nomination, and Dershowitz is one of the leading constitutional scholars in the country.
Well Roger...
Good thing that you are in full support of Hunter and Joe Biden testifying!
Yes! Let them testify! Let Trump testify! Let Bolton testify!
Schiff Caught Republicans Off Guard
Yahoo News reporter Jon Ward says Republicans appeared “uncomfortable” as House impeachment manager Adam Schiff made the case for President Trump’s removal from office.
Said Ward:
“I sat in chamber for entire Schiff speech. That was a mauling. Trump team thought they were there to debate process and Schiff ambushed them with a full-throated case for impeachment. Republicans were visibly uncomfortable. Sekulow and Cippolone responses were rambling and bombastic."
Quote of the Day
“The innocent do not behave this way.”
— House manager Adam Schiff, arguing for impeaching President Trump in the Senate.
More Want to Remove Trump Than Approve of Him
January 21, 2020
Philip Bump does a deep dive into the latest CNN and Monmouth polls and finds a remarkable result:
“There is more support for throwing Trump out of office than there is support for his administration. In what might seem alarming to the Trump reelection campaign, that holds both in battleground states (according to CNN) and in swing counties where the 2016 margin was 10 points or smaller (according to Monmouth).”
NO! NO THIS CAN'T BE TRUE!
FAKE NEWS! FAKE POLLS! FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!
“The innocent do not behave this way.”
the pederast
Ch said,
"Dershowitz is one of the leading constitutional scholars in the country."
Really? Why then, when he was asked why his current views of what qualifies a president for impeachment is opposite to what he said during the Clinton impeachment, he said,
“I am much more correct right now having done all the research.”
_________
Funny how so great a leading constitutional scholar can reverse himself that way. Why hadn't he done the research the first time? Did it have something to do with who was under indictment?
During the first hour of debate, I found the house manager's audio-visual aids effective, now I find them annoying like we're too stupid to comprehend without following the bouncing ball.
Really? Why then, when he was asked why his current views of what qualifies a president for impeachment is opposite to what he said during the Clinton impeachment, he said,
Well James if you want to go toe to toe on who "evolved" their position from the Clinton impeachment then be my guess.
But I'll tell you right now, you'll lose.
“The innocent do not behave this way.”
the pederast
Blogger Commonsense said...
During the first hour of debate, I found the house manager's audio-visual aids effective, now I find them annoying like we're too stupid to comprehend without following the bouncing ball.
it's for the benefit of democrats who ARE too fucking stupid to comprehend without following the bouncing ball.
in proceedings like this the left must be spoon-fed EVERYTHING.
and then tonight they tune in to MSDNC and CNN to be instructed how to interpret it.
imo the best place to watch stuff like this is c-span. raw proceedings with no commentary.
LORDY, LORDY THE DEMOCRATS ARE WALKING ALL OVER US!!!!!
A fair trial starts NOW.
Retired Orrin G. Hatch
@RetiredOrrin
They never wanted @realDonaldTrump to be President.
And they've never stopped trying to beat him.
This has always been about politics, and the Senate cannot let it stand.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1219666947941502976
THE DEMOCRATS KEEP HARPING ON FACTS THAT TRUMP'S SHOW GUILT OR INNOCENCE!
WE WANTED THIS TO BE ABOUT PROCESS!!!
all caps, pederast?
must be skeered, eh?
chuckle...
cocaine mitch is just getting warmed up.
Schiff is losing it.
Very strong opening for Trump team.
Called out Schiff for now wanting subpoenas he wouldn't get himself.
And throwing quotes from Schiff and Nadler back in their faces.
Trump Uses Defense His Justice Department Rejected
“Donald Trump’s lawyers made an impeachment U-turn on Tuesday — one that could have immediate consequences for the president’s ongoing legal fight against the House’s oversight investigations,” Politico reports.
“After arguing in court for months that federal judges should stay miles away from disputes between Congress and the White House — for fear that they become political actors in a divisive impeachment probe — the president’s lawyers spent the first working day of Trump’s Senate impeachment trial arguing the exact opposite, and suggesting that those who disagree are hostile to the Constitution.”
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