Claims that hospitals in Michigan had run out of ventilators and were now having to determine who would live and who would die.
Now it wasn't just MSNBC that started peddling this disturbing fake news. Reporters from MSNBC parent NBC news and other media outlets repeated it as well. All because some guy (whom the media adores because he was with the Obama administration) misrepresented a memo from a single hospital in Michigan.
The hospital in question put out a memo that provided guidance if they ever came to a situation where they would run out of resources. This was a prudent thing to do and I am sure nearly every Hospital has some sort of internal policies in place for this sort of emergency situation.
Of course Andy Slavitt was "still" tweeting about how this hospital had run out of respirators after the Hospital had not once, but twice made official public statements saying that no, they were not out of respirators, nor where they even near being out of respirators. The fact that this went on (in spite of the denials of the actual hospital) is what makes people with large twitter followers so dangerous. Why does a guy like Slavitt have so many followers? Because people want to hear news like this (true or not).
Proof positive that the word "trust" means something different in liberal circles than in conservative circles. In my world I trust people who tell the truth (whether it's what I want to hear or not). In liberal circles they will only trust people who tell them what they want to hear (whether it is true or not).
Btw... this guy (who is not an epidemiologist) is tweeting pretty much non-stop on how to stop the spread of coronavirus. Most of it includes a national order to shut everyone in, the use of the Defense Production Act to federalize everything, and the unrealistic concept that we should be able to test 350 million Americans who we have ordered to stay home within a day or two. It's almost as if he believes that there is a coronavirus testing replicator (like in Star Trek) and that there isn't any real issue with finding a few hundred million of them overnight and then somehow administering them to everyone. To say he he (like so many of these people) are large on theory and short on the details of execution is an understatement.
74 comments:
First of all, if Trump is doing as well in the polling about his handling of the Coronavirus as your thread below indicates, why is he still looking weak against Biden?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
Second, Regarding Michigan:
Governor Whitmere Suggests Trump Is Blocking Medical Supplies
March 27, 2020 at 4:16 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 106 Comments
“Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) suggested Friday that a growing rift with the White House is affecting shipments of medical supplies to Michigan amid exponential growth in confirmed coronavirus cases,”
Crain’s Detroit Business reports.
Said Whitmer:
“When the federal government told us that we needed to go it ourselves, we started procuring every item we could get our hands on. What I’ve gotten back is that vendors with whom we had contracts are now being told not to send stuff here to Michigan.”
Whitmer didn’t say who has told vendors to stop sending medical supplies to the state, but strongly implied the order came from President Trump’s administration.
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For anyone to block aid to the governors of certain states who have dared to be critical of Trump in a time of "exponential growth in confirmed cases" is nothing short of CRIMINAL.
HUGE! Second French Study by Dr. Raoult finds Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin Helped EVERY PATIENT in Study Group of 80 Minus One
And the pederast gently weeps
Blogger James said...
First of all, if Trump is doing as well in the polling about his handling of the Coronavirus as your thread below indicates, why is he still looking weak against Biden?
You're in for a big shock.
HUGE! Second French Study by Dr. Raoult finds Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin Helped EVERY PATIENT in Study Group of 80 Minus One
It pretty conclusive that it reduces the viral load and the severity of the symptoms.
Healthcare workers are starting to use it as a prophylactic. The more the better.
...why is he still looking weak against Biden?
LOL.
the lies you assholes need to tell yourselves just to cope with everyday life.
hilarious.
Let's ask Hillary what she thinks of pre election polls involving Trump.
whitmer is auditioning to be biden's VP pick. he claims are baseless, but that's not the point.
geezus pederast. a fucking blind man can see that clear as day.
Let's ask Hillary what she thinks of pre election polls involving Trump.
yeah.
my personal fave was the huff po poll that had cankles the cunt beating trump 98-2.
Rather than gently weeping, I'm cackling aloud.
Before you guys get too excited, maybe you'd better read this:
E&E News
PANDEMIC
Trump pins coronavirus hope on a climate skeptic
Scott Waldman, E&E News reporter
Didier Raoult is a French virologist with a history of making controversial scientific claims, including attacks on climate science.
President Trump has turned to a French virologist with a history of criticizing climate science to offer the world hope amid the novel coronavirus pandemic.
Last week, Trump tweeted that the combination of two medicines could dramatically alter the often deadly course of COVID-19.
"HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine," Trump wrote. He then cited a study published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents that afforded little time for peer review.
Trump's optimism comes from a small study of about 40 COVID-19 patients in France, though it wasn't immediately clear how it came to the president's attention.
The study was conducted by Didier Raoult, a virologist at Aix-Marseille University in France. Raoult has a history of challenging science outside of his field of expertise, including claims that Darwin's theory of evolution was wrong and that climate models are overblown.
"Climate predictions are absurd," he wrote in a 2013 piece for a French publication, Le Point, in which Raoult declared he "hates climate forecasts."
According to a French-to-English translation, he wrote that those who take action against climate change — as well as those who do the research to examine it — have taken "more of a religious approach than a science."
"Our sense of guilt explains the transformation of the debate into something of an unscientific nature," he wrote.
While Raoult has no climate credentials, he is an influential virologist who has discovered dozens of bacteria. Raoult also has been critical of how governments have responded to the global pandemic, and he published a book this month called "Epidemics, Real Dangers and False Alarms."
In it, he blames the media for instilling fear about COVID-19. "This panic is largely due to the exaggerations of the press, which knows that fear 'sells,'" he wrote.
It remains to be seen if Raoult has discovered a useful — and potentially lifesaving — drug regime to combat the coronavirus, health experts caution. They include Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of Trump's coronavirus task force who said researchers don't know yet if the drugs are safe for people with the coronavirus.
Health ethicists say Raoult's work, and other small studies, should not be reflexively touted as a cure — particularly by politicians looking to give people an unverified sense of hope.
Hydroxychloroquine is a derivative of an anti-malaria drug, and azithromycin is an antibiotic used to treat bacterial pneumonia.
Raoult, an influential virologist who has received funding from the French government, published a video in February called "Coronavirus: Endgame!" in which he explored Chinese experiments with hydroxychloroquine.
He quickly tested it on a small group of French COVID-19 patients in a local hospital earlier this month and, along with a group of co-authors, published his research March 20, after a day of peer review, in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents.
The study recommended that all COVID-19 patients be treated with the drug cocktail, even though no larger regime of testing has been conducted.
Malarial drugs can have significant side effects in some patients, including retinal failure and cardiac arrest. Despite the dramatic pronouncement that hundreds of thousands of coronavirus patients should be administered the drugs, Raoult and his co-authors acknowledged the limitations of their research.
"Our study has some limitations including a small sample size, limited long-term outcome follow-up, and dropout of six patients from the study, however in the current context, we believe that our results should be shared with the scientific community," they wrote.
A study published this week in the Journal of Zhejiang University in China contradicted the Raoult study and found that hydroxychloroquine was not any more effective than conventional coronavirus treatment. Both studies rely on a small group of patients.
The embrace of limited-research results by politicians can be dangerous, said Alison Bateman-House, a health ethicist and professor of population health at New York University.
She said there is precedent for taking unproven research when other options are not available but that it should not be touted by politicians as a solution before that is proved.
"It's incredibly irresponsible, and it's not something any leader should be doing," she said. "If you're not a physician, you shouldn't be opining on medical care."
Not conducting research with clear guidelines means the end result may not provide the scientific backing that is needed to use the treatment on a wider scale, said Bateman-House.
"If you're not giving people these medications in a well-structured, thought-out trial that has the support and capabilities necessary to collecting the data, then you're not advancing the science, all you're getting is more anecdotal evidence," she said.
Nonetheless, Trump and Vice President Mike Pence have spent days touting this option.
"Doctors can now prescribe chloroquine for that off-label purpose of dealing with the symptoms of coronavirus," Pence told reporters Saturday. "The president's very optimistic."
Those claims may have contributed to a run on the drugs throughout the world.
Pharmacies across Africa, where malarial medications often are a matter of life or death, saw a high demand for the drug.
And the pressure to obtain the drugs in the United States has become so severe that pharmacy boards in Idaho, Kentucky, Ohio, Nevada, Oklahoma, North Carolina and Texas have issued new guidance on how the drugs should be administered, according to a New York Times article.
The Washington Post reported yesterday that Mark Meadows, Trump's incoming chief of staff, reached out to a family doctor in upstate New York who said he has used the drugs to treat hundreds of suspected coronavirus cases.
Conservative media outlets and Fox News host Sean Hannity have touted the work of that family doctor from New York, Vladimir Zelenko. Zelenko has also used his Facebook page to say that China is using the coronavirus as a population control device.
At least one state, however, is giving the drugs a chance.
New York is now conducting a large-scale experiment, distributing the drug throughout its hospital networks to try on sick patients, and Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) has ordered hundreds of thousands of doses. The Food and Drug Administration, at Trump's urging, has rapidly approved the testing.
Raoult is confident his work will hold up.
"In my field, I am a star, worldwide," Raoult told the La Provence newspaper in France. "I don't give a damn what others think. I am not an outsider. I'm streaks ahead of the others."
WELL, WE SHALL SEE. There is something in real medicine called "peer review."
whitmer is auditioning to be biden's VP pick. he claims are baseless, but that's not the point.
I think he’s really worried this could negatively affect Detroit’s housing market
First of all, if Trump is doing as well in the polling about his handling of the Coronavirus as your thread below indicates, why is he still looking weak against Biden?
Well whatever makes you sleep at night!
But the reality is this. Whichever Candidate has won Ohio and Florida has won the general election every election going back to 1944 (only exception being the 1992 three way Clinton/Bush/Perot election).
Trump will win Ohio and likely will win Florida.
Is this the year that trend actually changes?
And let's be clear Reverend... any State polling showing him within a few points of Biden is likely his to lose. That has just been the way it has been for GOP vs DEM in Presidential elections long before Trump was a candidate.
Again... Biden will need to sweep both Pennsylvania and Michigan, win at least another state while hanging on in at least five additional states where Clinton won by less than three points.
Oh... and keep this in mind!
THIS YEAR - Trump can probably afford to lose the popular vote by 3-4 percent this year and still win the Electoral College. More and more of that liberal support is moving to the pockets of urban areas, while more and more of the rest of the country is trending to him.
WELL, WE SHALL SEE. There is something in real medicine called "peer review."
Either it works or it doesn't...
Pretty simple.
A "peer review" is literally going to be completely irrelevant in this case regardless of which way it goes.
I wonder Reverend hates America and hopes people die!
How fast would your head explode if Trump wins the electoral college 270-268 and loses the popular vote somewhere around the 50-46 percent range?
Because that is a significantly real possibility!
Peer reviews are about as relevant as anything can get to be.
They are not wild claims by one self promoting doctor, or those who desperately want to believe him/her.
Here is the transcript to Laura Ingraham's entire show.
Not exactly what I would call objective, non propagandistic journalism.
https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/coronavirus-task-force-member-adm-brett-giroir-reacts-to-new-study-on-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin
Didier Raoult (born March 13, 1952 in Dakar, Senegal)[citation needed] is a French physician and microbiologist. He holds M.D. and Ph.D. degrees and specializes in infectious diseases. In 1984, Raoult created the Rickettsia Unit at Aix-Marseille University (AMU). He also teaches infectious diseases in the Faculty of Medicine of Aix-Marseille University, and since 1982 has supervised many M.D. and Ph.D. degrees.[1]
Since 2008, Raoult has been the director of the Unité de Recherche sur les Maladies Infectieuses et Tropicales Emergentes (URMITE; in English, Research Unit in Infectious and Tropical Emergent Diseases), collaborating with CNRS (National Center for the Scientific Research), IRD (Research for the Development Institute), INSERM (National Institute of Health and Medical Research) and the Aix Marseille University, in Marseille. His laboratory employs more than 200 people, including 86 researchers who publish between 250 and 350 papers per year and have produced more than 50 patents.[2] Raoult has also been involved in the creation of eight startups.[3]
Didier Raoult initiated the construction of a new building to host the Institut Hospitalo Universitaire (IHU) Méditerranée Infection, using the highest grant available in France for medical research (73 million euros granted by the National Agency for Research).[4] The IHU Mediterranée Infection, which opened in early 2017,[5] is dedicated to the management and study of infectious diseases and combines diagnostic, care, research and teaching activities in one location.[6]
On 19 November 2010, he was awarded the "Grand prix de l'Inserm" for his career.[7] In 2015, Raoult was awarded the "Grand Prix scientifique de la Fondation Louis D." of the Institut de France. He shared the €450.000 prize money with biologist Chris Bowler from the Institut de Biologie de l'Ecole Normale Supérieure in Paris.[8]
In 2014, according to ISI Web of Knowledge, he is the most cited microbiologist in Europe, and the 7th worldwide.[9][10]
In 2020, the website Expertscape ranks him 1st expert in the world for communicable diseases.[11][12]
Sure Reverend... sounds like a hack!
Chuck Ross
@ChuckRossDC
"Good news" in New York, Cuomo says. ICU and hospital admissions were down yesterday from days before.
wonder why the "pastor" didn't jump on this. He was regularly posting how sorry he was that it was rising ???
One day doesn't make a trend but it was only slightly more than 4 days ago...
picture from different source: https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/status/1243941094754340864
Peer reviews are about as relevant as anything can get to be.
This is the same guy who is touting an obscure poll the gave the results Democrats paid for.
You left out this part of the wiki article. Why?
COVID-19
On 17 March 2020, Raoult announced that a trial involving 36 patients from the south east of France supported the claim that Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin were effective in treating for COVID-19.[74][75][76] The design of the study as well as its conclusions are controversially discussed and generally viewed as flawed and inconclusive. [77] [78] The French Health Minister, Olivier Véran, was reported as announcing that "new tests will now go ahead in order to evaluate the results by Professor Raoult, in an attempt to independently replicate the trials and ensure the findings are scientifically robust enough, before any possible decision might be made to roll any treatment out to the wider public".[79] The French media also reported that the French pharmaceutical company Sanofi had offered French authorities millions of doses of the drug for use against COVID-19.[80][81][82]
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Are we to assume the good Dr. owns no stock in Sanofi?
The French study was published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents
Why James, I believe that is a peer review scientific journal.
Don't you look like an ass.
No. "The design of the study as well as its conclusions are controversially discussed and generally viewed as flawed and inconclusive."
Valid claims have to SURVIVE peer review.
They are peer reviewed before it is published. In rare cases studies have been withdrawned if it was fraudulent or grossly flawed. This study has not been withdrawn.
It SURVIVED PEER REVIEW.
And you are an asshole James.
BTW who actually made that comment. It was in the Wiki article but we know things made up in wiki.
Name the scientist who actually made the comment. What were his qualifications?
We'll wait.
Hey cramps......do you believe in what Fauci has to say?????? He said on the podium that the french study was not controlled or valid....I believe the word he used was anecdotal!!!! Surviving peer review is now okay for COVID....but for peer reviewed GW studies it still is not.....sad you are about as consistent as mud......
“Over 65 Doctors, Medical Professionals And Scientists Call For Government To Use Hydroxychloroquine To Fight Coronavirus.”
As the medical profession evaluates different treatment options, public health officials should adopt early treatment measures with the existing tools at our disposal. HCQ is an inexpensive, safe drug that has been used in the treatment of malaria for seventy years.
With no vaccine or antiviral in place, HCQ is the lead candidate for early treatment against the COVID-19 virus. This was the conclusion of a recent medical paper written by Dr. Raymond Chang whose affiliations include the Institute of East-West Medicine in New York and the National Taiwan University Hospital in Taiwan.
HCQ has the ability to prevent the virus from entering the cell, as well as to prevent the virus from replicating. HCQ has the unique factor of being able to accumulate high concentrations in the lungs (specifically where it is needed). What is also appealing is the long duration (22 day half-life) of HCQ in the body. These factors make it promising for early treatment if ingested days before the virus is introduced.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/over-65-doctors-medical-professionals-and-scientists-call-for-government-to-use-hydroxychloroquine-to-fight-coronavirus
and the POS "pastor" obviously doesn't know what an urgent and dire situation is.
Still can't back up your earlier claim, right "pastor" (direct quote from a private presidential phone call)
Jamestown Death Cultist continues to wish Death on Americans , especially the Church going ones.
Reporters asked both men — first Fauci, then Trump — if a malaria drug called hydroxychloroquine could be used to prevent COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus. A day earlier, when Fauci wasn't with him at that briefing, Trump had called attention to the drug.
On Friday, Fauci took the reporter's question and got right to the point.
“No,” he said. “The answer ... is no.
“The information that you're referring to specifically is anecdotal,” Fauci added firmly. “It was not done in a controlled clinical trial, so you really can't make any definitive statement about it.”
And a note to the fucking idiot daddy.......leave the science to the doctors....your idiocy I am sure will not matter to the professionals.....>BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Hey cramps......do you believe in what Fauci has to say?????? He said on the podium that the french study was not controlled or valid
Fauci never said it was invalid and there was some control in the study.
As I said (server times) Fauci wants more studies but was not opposed to physicians prescribing it off label.
And he doesn't disagree with Trump on that point. In fact he thinks the media is blowing it all out proportion.
You should maybe pay attention to some other media outlets than the usual liberal media you listen to.
Becoming quite obvious.
400,000 Americans dead are what would have happened with james or lo iq and the democrats in charge
and btw (by the way lo iq) Fauci has said he would use an experimental drug on himself if he was contracted with the virus and he would consider using hydroxychloroquine on a patient depending on the individuals circumstances.
and btw (by the way lo iq in case you've already forgot) lo iq people like you should probably sit this whole situation out.
but that's pretty much true about everything
We kind of knew this but it's been confirm.
Didier Raoult reports the treatment is not going to be effective once respiratory failure sets in.. at that point you're immune response (mucus/fluid in lungs) is too far gone to turn back.
Should be first line of treatment, not LAST.
In other words, once you are on a ventilator it too late for hydrochloroquine therapy to be effective.
It has to begin before the symptoms become severe.
You are basically correct about peer review for original publication. But I have not seen where it is said that Dr. Raoult's study was originally published in The International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents?
As for the critics, I can only refer you to the "Pubpeer" footnotes [78] [79] of the Wikipedia article from which we both were quoting:
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[78.]^ "Pubpeer: Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial".
[79.]^ "Pubpeer: Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial -preprint".
Also, I withdraw my comment about Dr. Raoult perhaps owning stock in the company. I have seen that Sanofi offered France FREE use of the drug for testing.
Wikipedia:
PubPeer
PubPeer is a website that allows users to discuss and review scientific research.
The site is one of many allowing academics to engage in post-publication peer review. It has served as a whistleblowing platform, in that it highlighted shortcomings in several high-profile papers, in some cases leading to retractions and to accusations of scientific fraud,[1][2][3][4] as noted by Retraction Watch.[5] Contrary to most platforms, it allows anonymous post-publication commenting, a controversial feature which is the main factor for its success.[6] Consequently, accusations of libel have been levelled at some of PubPeer's users;[7][8] correspondingly PubPeer comments are required to use only facts that can be publicly verified.[9]
Again, I sincerely state that I would welcome ANY drug, medicine, or treatment that really is effective in our fight against this destructive virus.
AMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...
Becoming quite obvious.
That fucking daddy talks out his ass just like the obese old white trump!!!!!!!!!!! I am sure Fauci looks forward to your advising him.....BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
Cramps....I posted what Fauci stated....he said the study sucked since it was not controlled and you could make no definitive statements about the results!!!!! What part do you have trouble understanding that he said the study was NO FUCKING GOOD!!!!!!
TOPEKA, Kan. – As part of the ongoing effort to limit the spread of novel coronavirus in Kansas, Governor Kelly issued a statewide “stay-at-home” order, making Kansas the 23rd state in the nation to do so.
The order will exist in conjunction with the Kansas Essential Function Framework for COVID-19 response efforts and will take effect at 12:01 a.m. on Monday March 30, 2020. The order will be in place at least until Sunday April 19, 2020."
🖕 That.
Ok, no crops this year.
As for the critics, I can only refer you to the "Pubpeer" footnotes [78] [79] of the Wikipedia article from which we both were quoting
In other words, you can't backup your quote. I prefer people who go on the record in public. Thanks for playing James.
Cramps....I posted what Fauci stated...
You posted it out of context.
He never said "the study sucked' that's your opinion.
Re 4:47
Well, if you cared to look up what I referred you to, which I just for the first time did, I would say that it indeed DOES NOT back up the severity of the critical statement. Quite the contrary.
Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial.
Gautret P1, Lagier JC2, Parola P1, Hoang VT3, Meddeb L4, Mailhe M4, Doudier B4, Courjon J5, Giordanengo V6, Vieira VE4, Dupont HT2, Honoré S7, Colson P2, Chabrière E2, La Scola B2, Rolain JM2, Brouqui P2, Raoult D8.
Author information
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been found to be efficient on SARS-CoV-2, and reported to be efficient in Chinese COV-19 patients. We evaluate the role of hydroxychloroquine on respiratory viral loads.
PATIENTS AND METHODS:
French Confirmed COVID-19 patients were included in a single arm protocol from early March to March 16th, to receive 600mg of hydroxychloroquine daily and their viral load in nasopharyngeal swabs was tested daily in a hospital setting. Depending on their clinical presentation, azithromycin was added to the treatment. Untreated patients from another center and cases refusing the protocol were included as negative controls. Presence and absence of virus at Day6-post inclusion was considered the end point.
RESULTS:
Six patients were asymptomatic, 22 had upper respiratory tract infection symptoms and eight had lower respiratory tract infection symptoms. Twenty cases were treated in this study and showed a significant reduction of the viral carriage at D6-post inclusion compared to controls, and much lower average carrying duration than reported of untreated patients in the literature. Azithromycin added to hydroxychloroquine was significantly more efficient for virus elimination.
CONCLUSION:
Despite its small sample size our survey shows that hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients and its effect is reinforced by azithromycin.
Wait a minute. The above is a good bit too simple. I just looked again and got this:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300996
THIS DOES NOT SOUND GOOD.
Urban Centers Nationwide Gird for Outbreak
March 28, 2020 at 4:04 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 144 Comments
New York Times:
“While it ravages New York and metastasizes throughout much of the Northeast, the coronavirus is also quickly bearing down on new hot spots, sending doctors and first responders scrambling to prepare for the onslaught.
“Still unable to conduct widespread testing, and fearful as the federal government fails to marshal critical supplies, officials in Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Los Angeles are watching caseloads climb and taking extraordinary measures to maximize their resources and protect medical staff, all the while hoping that aggressive social-distancing measures might ward off the most dismal projections."
No, not good.
That's an abstract of the study itself. What is your point?
Kind of the money quote:
CONCLUSION:
Despite its small sample size our survey shows that hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients and its effect is reinforced by azithromycin.
Again for the wantonly stupid cramps.....
Reporters asked both men — first Fauci, then Trump — if a malaria drug called hydroxychloroquine could be used to prevent COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus. A day earlier, when Fauci wasn't with him at that briefing, Trump had called attention to the drug.
On Friday, Fauci took the reporter's question and got right to the point.
“No,” he said. “The answer ... is no.
“The information that you're referring to specifically is anecdotal,” Fauci added firmly. “It was not done in a controlled clinical trial, so you really can't make any definitive statement about it.”
Plus you lied about there was some control......whatever that means you dumb fuck
Blogger Commonsense said...
Cramps....I posted what Fauci stated...
You posted it out of context.
Still can't read or think cramps......I posted his exact quote.....prove it wrong you worthless POS!!!!! God you are fucking dumb!!!!
I basically agree with you at 5:22. I am not interested in arguing against the possible use of hydroxychloroquine for whatever good effect it may bring. ANYthing that would help us in any way in view of what is still coming against us should be welcomed by all.
Hey James.....cramps has an ulterior motive in arguing with you....he hates to be shown wrong.....No one is hoping the big clinical trial that started in NY today fails.....we all hope for success....Cramps on the other hand recognizes trumps handling of this has been friggin awful and will do and say anything to protect the liar and obese fat ass in the WH!!! Look sy what he posted about a direct quote from Fauci.....that it was out of context!!!!!!! Dayum....can't fix stupid that deep!!!
On Friday, Fauci took the reporter's question and got right to the point.
Funny thing is you never said what reporters question is.
So without the question Dr Fauci's response is indeed out of context.
posted his exact quote.....prove it wrong you worthless POS!!
I just did, thanks for playing Denny.
Oh and if you actually read the abstract James quoted:
CONCLUSION:
Despite its small sample size our survey shows that hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients and its effect is reinforced by azithromycin.
So you are wrong on all counts.
As for me, I would gladly be declared wrong on EVERYthing if that could help us in this time of need.
CORONAVIRUS DEATH DOUBLED IN TWO DAYS
March 28, 2020 at 7:14 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 114 Comments
Confirmed U.S. coronavirus-related deaths doubled in two days, HITTING g 2,000 ON SATURDAY EVENING, based on reporting from state health departments.
Yeah, it would be wonderful if this flurry of activity put a miraculous stop to the virus, or stopped it before the country needs to go on a Hubei-style lockdown to stamp out the virus, or a fully tested cure and/or vaccine be rolled out in the next 4-6 weeks. I would love to see something like any of these things happen. It won't make me forget Trump's Prince Prospero act from late January until mid-March, but it would be great for the people of this nation.
I'm not under any illusion that any of those things are going to happen, however. We're in for a long ordeal until we come out the other side, with lots of sick people overwhelming hospitals, a precipitous decline in economic activity, and a whole lot of dead Americans (and dead people world-wide).
Yawn
January Nancy Pelosi passed out Impeachment Pens.
8:25 Well said.
Florida Coronavirus Cases Are Growing Fast
March 28, 2020 at 10:32 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 241 Comments
“The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Florida is doubling every three days, putting the state on a trajectory to see tens of thousands of infections in the coming weeks,” a Tampa Bay Times analysis shows.
“Florida remains one of the few states with a large outbreak not to issue a statewide order to keep residents at home. Several counties across the state, including Hillsborough and Pinellas, issued ‘safer at home’ orders in the last week.”
Cramps our immoral cultist said without basis...
I just did, thanks for playing Denny.
BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! You did shit you dumb fuck.....Prove Foci's quote is wrong or out of context!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep swallowing you god dayum loser!!!!!
For the wantonly ignorant cramps......I posted the question no 3 times......you are acting the same way as your bullshit GDP growth from 8 years ago.......ignorance is your middle name!!!!!
Reporters asked both men — first Fauci, then Trump — if a malaria drug called hydroxychloroquine could be used to prevent COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus. A day earlier, when Fauci wasn't with him at that briefing, Trump had called attention to the drug.
There ya go dumb fuck......the context you deny exists...just like your GDP growth number!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA111
To that question with Trump there Fauci answered in the affirmative.
But you said the next day when Fauci was alone he said "No" but you didn't post the actual question Fauci said no to.
You are trying to deceive people into believing they are the same question when it was a certainty they were not the same.
People are not as stupid as you think they are and they know what a transparent attempt to deceive them looks like.
The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Florida is doubling every three days, putting the state on a trajectory to see tens of thousands of infections in the coming weeks,
The first part is due to more testing the second part is a flawed assumption based on a model that has since been adjusted.
I know first hand that the state is basically on lock down. The only thing open are grocery stores and the one flaw in the strategy is that they are inadequately stock which is forcing people to go daily in search if items they need.
I know first hand that the state is basically on lock down.
Some of the state is on Lock Down you dumb fuck....not because of DeSantis, but local mayors and the like!!!!!! Orange and Osceola are closed....Brevard, Marion, Volusia are all on please stay home......that's it....If your definition of lock down is a stay home......you are correct, But with most people being as stupid as you.....they need more direction than that youfucking idiot1111
You are trying to deceive people into believing they are the same question when it was a certainty they were not the same.
That's the best you got asshole???? You can't read or think anything but save trump.....Calling Fauci a liar is all you got!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! BTW,,,,,you are even dumber than I ever thought!!!!! Good for you!!!!! Keep digging and convincing yourself you are correct since it makes you feel better!!!! Why don't you post the whole transcript which will validate my posts....
Here's where I posted from asshole.....Now prove US News wrong.......BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-20/trump-vs-fauci-president-and-doctor-spar-over-unproven-drug
Statewide the only businesses open are grocery stores and restaurants doing take-out or delivery.
And contrary to your rant most people are following the CDC guidelines and self-isolating.
And DeSantos is forcing people coming in from New York and Louisiana to self-quarantine for 14 days.
DeSantos is also making it clear that Florida is closed to tourism there is absolutely nothing open and nothing to do.
Here's where I posted from asshole.....Now prove US News wrong.......BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-20/trump-vs-fauci-president-and-doctor-spar-over-unproven-drug
This is the money quote:
“The president is talking about hope for people and it’s not an unreasonable thing,” Fauci said. “I’ve got to do my job as a scientist and others have other things to do.”
There is absolutely nothing in the article that supports your post
We're in for a long ordeal until we come out the other side, with lots of sick people overwhelming hospitals, a precipitous decline in economic activity, and a whole lot of dead Americans (and dead people world-wide).
i long for those halcyon days of april '09 - april '10 when we had 60 MILLION infected, 400,000 hospitalized, over 12,000 dead...
...and because the magic negro was president nobody said a fucking word about any of it.
good times, good times.
Who gives a damn now what Fauci did or didn't say?
Who gives a damn whether Florida is technically not so bad off?
8,000+ new deaths in Spain in one day.
9,000+ new deaths in Italy in one day.
In one day deaths in America went from 1,000 to 2,000.
Re read 7:33PM and 8:25PM.
Those may indeed seem like halcyon days compared to what we may now be headed into.
And there is nothing in you post that negates what I posted.....Keep digging you dumb fuck....
Reporters asked both men — first Fauci, then Trump — if a malaria drug called hydroxychloroquine could be used to prevent COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus. A day earlier, when Fauci wasn't with him at that briefing, Trump had called attention to the drug
On Friday, Fauci took the reporter's question and got right to the point.
“No,” he said. “The answer ... is no.
“The information that you're referring to specifically is anecdotal,” Fauci added firmly. “It was not done in a controlled clinical trial, so you really can't make any definitive statement about it.”
Again....FAUCI'S OWN WORDS CRAMPS.....YOU DESPERATELY TRYING TO CHANGE THEM!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! You can't even get the correct question without making shit up!!!!!
The magic orange man said we'd soon be at zero cases, zero deaths.
Keep posting the same deceptive crap doesn't prove you point Denny.
Bye.
james the fucking liar said:
In one day deaths in America went from 1,000 to 2,000.
Taegan Goddard deaths doubled in 2 days
American deaths by day each morning from Wed:
802 Wed
1046 Thur
1300 Fri
1711 Sat
2191 now
This is bad. The administration said this was going to be an ugly week. And it has been. But deliberately overstating is EVIL and fighting AGAINST the PRESIDENT and AMERICA.
FUCK OFF PEDERAST and Goddard's political_lire
Jamestown Death Cult.
Your joy is clear. you can't hide it.
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