“This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now,” Dr. Fauci told Newsmax’s Greg Kelly on January 21.
Dr. Fauci has backtracked on his original message. He now says the U.S. has yet to receive the worst of the COVID-19 outbreak. He has even encouraged a national shutdown after telling NBC in late February that Americans should go about their normal lifestyles.
Dr. Fauci has been the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984, serving under every U.S. President since Ronald Reagan.
This is one of the problems with allowing a Dr with little understanding of politics from going on these particular shows to answer questions. In a better time with better people serving our journalism community these would be respectful interviews designed to gather information as to where we are with the Covid-19 crisis.
But as it stands, journalists are more interested in garnering some sort of "gotcha questions" than actually looking for any real helpful information. Unfortunately for someone like Fauci who is not used to this sort of treatment it becomes much easier to manipulate and muddle a question and response to garner a dishonest headline.
From my viewing of the clip between Fauci and Tapper, it felt a little like Fauci was mocking Tapper for taking a simpleton approach to the situation. Fauci is conceding that in a perfect world that we possibly could have saved lives by changing behavior earlier on in the outbreak, while also pointing out to Tapper that things are more complicated than that.
It's like asking if we could save lives by banning automobiles, or by banning the sale of alcohol, or by banning the sale of any nicotine product. Of course, we could save lives by changing any number of things we do in society. But there is always a trade-off between limiting people's freedoms in the name of safety or health.
Fauci's earlier public statements overrule the revisionist history offered by this interview. Whether Fauci's answers are being manipulated or if Fauci himself is now playing revisionist historian in order to make himself look better really doesn't change the fact that it's extremely clear that there was no serious suggestion by Fauci (behind the scenes or publicly) to shut the Country down in February.
Sorry liberals... but your latest hateful scam has been exposed.
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CH, YOU SAID:
Whether Fauci's answers are being manipulated or if Fauci himself is now playing revisionist historian in order to make himself look better really doesn't change the fact that it's extremely clear that there was no serious suggestion by Fauci (behind the scenes or publicly) to shut the Country down in February.
Well of course not. Your own thread article mentions the claim that Fauci told NBC in late February that Americans "should go on about their normal lifestyles."
But in the middle of March, he DID advocate a shutdown.
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The Washington Times - Sunday, March 15, 2020
Dr. Antony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, urged Americans to shut down more aggressively as the coronavirus spreads.
On MSNBC’s “Meet the Press” Mr. Fauci endorsed a 14-day “national shutdown” to help slow down the virus. He explained that he has brought it up with the administration, which is generally open to his ideas.
“I think Americans should be prepared that they are going to have to hunker down significantly more than we as a country are doing,” he said.
On ABC’s “This Week” the doctor explained that lockdowns helped China and South Korea fight the rapid spread of the disease in their countries. China, he said, has reached its peak and is starting to see number of cases drop, whereas South Korea has flatlined.
However, he warned that while its hard to predict exactly how long the virus will be a threat, the U.S. should prepare for this to last for several weeks or a few months.
“What we should be doing is absolutely much much different. Not business as usual. Just chill down,” he said on ABC.
Across the nation, public schools and events are being shut down as states and local officials try to contain the virus.
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What exactly are you trying to say, Ch?
Sorry liberals... but your latest hateful scam has been exposed.
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Well, since I know of no liberal, myself or any other, who claimed that Fauci advocated shutting the country down in February, I really don't know what that "latest hateful scam" was.
Please tell us what it was, and do expose it for us.
(In a few simple words, preferably.)
Well Reverend not sure what the hell he is talking about...
The vast majority of the Country was shut down by the third weekend of March, and those parts that were not (or are not currently) shut down don't appear to be any worse for the wear.
But let's all agree that Fauci didn't recommend anything until mid-March (rather than February as people are suggesting).
It would be consistent with Fauci's statements during interviews as well as what was on the Task Force Website and what Fauci stated during the Task Force briefings.
It would also be consistent with how people handled the virus.
But let's be clear here, Reverend.
The President was never going to order a national shutdown because:
a) it was unnecessary (at least according to numbers today)
b) it would be unconstitutional and set a bad precedent
But let's all agree that Fauci didn't recommend anything until mid-March (rather than February as people are suggesting).
What "people" are suggesting that Fauci recommended shutting the country down in February?
Link that for us, please.
What "people" are suggesting that Fauci recommended shutting the country down in February?
no one, asshat.
what fauci is NOW saying is that social distancing in february would've been helpful. and that talk of a shutdown was a tough sell.
Washington (CNN)Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday that calls to implement life-saving social distancing measures faced "a lot of pushback" early in the US coronavirus outbreak and that the country is now looking for ways to more effectively respond to the virus should it rebound in the fall.
"I mean, obviously, you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives," Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" when asked if social distancing and stay-at-home measures could have prevented deaths had they been put in place in February, instead of mid-March.
"Obviously, no one is going to deny that. But what goes into those decisions is complicated," added Fauci, who is a key member of the Trump administration's coronavirus task force. "But you're right, I mean, obviously, if we had right from the very beginning shut everything down, it may have been a little bit different. But there was a lot of pushback about shutting things down back then."
And you say I don't know what the hell I'm talking about when the truth is I don't know what the hell YOU are talking about.
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CH: It would be consistent with Fauci's statements during interviews as well as what was on the Task Force Website and what Fauci stated during the Task Force briefings.
WHAT would be consistent with what Dr. Fauci said?
CH: It would also be consistent with how people handled the virus.
WHAT would also be consistent with how people handled the virus?
and that talk of a shutdown was a tough sell.
IOW's you dumb fucking loser.....Fauci tried to talk trump into shutting down the country....even someone as stupid as you can see that in the quote you provided????? Sad you have eyes and still can't see!!!!!
Thanks, Rat, for making it clear that no "people" were or are "suggesting" that.
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Ch SAID:
But let's be clear here, Reverend.
The President was never going to order a national shutdown because:
a) it was unnecessary (at least according to numbers today)
b) it would be unconstitutional and set a bad precedent
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Would this also be unconstitutional, Ch?
Trump Falsely Claims Power to Reopen the Economy
April 13, 2020 at 11:25 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
President Trump falsely claimed in a tweet that he has the authority to determine when the country’s economy reopens.
Said Trump:
“It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue.”
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USA Today: “Federal law allows Washington to impose quarantines in some circumstances and limit travel between states, but the Trump administration has not invoked those powers. And the Supreme Court has struck down attempts by the federal government to intervene within states.”
Blogger James said...
Thanks, Rat, for making it clear that no "people" were or are "suggesting" that.
go fuck yourself pederast. and shove your semantic games up your ass.
you're such a boor.
Fauci is now saying that had Trump listened to the medical experts earlier he could've saved more lives.
Fauci was telling people on February 29th that there was nothing to worry about and it posed no threat to the US public at large.
, Time to #FireFauci..
So if Trump had totally closed all the borders and locked us down when he took office he would have saved many more lives.
Good point
Of course so could have listened to the WHO (the scientific experts) and realized there is no human-to-human virus transfer, flights from China should have continued and face mask don't work.
Trump has now fired the WHO because they told him it was a pandemic when he just plain didn't want to hear that.
James said...
Trump has now fired the WHO because they told him it was a pandemic when he just plain didn't want to hear that.
Now I see the "pastor" is adding his own LIES (how many in that one sentence ?) to those regular ones from his GODdard's political_lire.
desperate and fighting on the wrong side.
and losing.
You’re a liar pederast, but we know that, they covered for China for 2 months
Fuckem
BTW pederast Japan’s PM called it the Chinese Health Organization last week
And maybe get an actual MD to head the place up
March 11, The Coronavirus Outbreak Is Now Officially A Pandemic, WHO Said
"'Pandemic' is not a word to be used lightly," said WHO's director-general.
Posted on March 11, 2020, at 12:42 p.m. ET
Citing "alarming inaction" by some countries with growing coronavirus cases, World Health Organization director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus on Wednesday declared that the worldwide outbreak was a pandemic — meaning it is spreading outside containment measures in multiple countries worldwide.
"'Pandemic' is not a word to be used lightly," said Tedros, at a briefing in Geneva, Switzerland. "All countries can still change the course of this pandemic."
The pandemic pronouncement comes less than three months after the Dec. 31 notification of the organization by Chinese authorities of a new virus in Wuhan, China, affecting dozens of people and tied to a seafood market selling wild game.
Identified as a new coronavirus genetically related to 2003’s SARS virus, but more easily transmitted and with a dangerous serious case fatality rate of 2% to 4%, it has now spread to more than 100 nations and more than 118,000 cases. Experts project that 40% to 70% of humanity — that's 3 billion to 5.5 billion people — might eventually become infected by the virus because of a lack of both a vaccine or innate immunity to the novel pathogen.
In Italy and Iran, Tedros warned the situation was very serious, with patients filling intensive care wards, and shortages of ventilators, protective equipment, and medical staff. He pointed to the successful bottling up of outbreaks in China, with more than 80,0000 cases, and South Korea, with more than 7,000, as pointing to the possibility of constraining the epidemic in countries worldwide. Italy's Prime Minister announced on Monday that coronavirus lockdown measures were being extended to the entire country, with travel to be restricted to reasons of work, health, and emergencies, until April 3.
WHO had long resisted calling the coronavirus epidemic a pandemic, fearing that it would halt efforts at containing outbreaks in nations with weak public health services. The designation doesn’t free up any funds or create any obligations on United Nations member states.
"I think that it was a pandemic before now," coronavirus expert Stanley Perlman of the University of Iowa told BuzzFeed News, in reaction to the declaration. Past pandemics for influenza had been declared in 2009, 1968, and 1957, when new strains of flu circled the world in a few months.
"This is a characterization of a situation, it is not a trigger for anything other than more aggressive and intense action," said WHO's Mike Ryan, calling for countries with limited numbers of cases to strengthen containment of the outbreak. "It is a call to not give up."
World Health Organization (WHO)
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@WHO
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳.
Jan 14, 2020
here ya go pederast
Wrong one
https://youtu.be/LLujpdPElPc
Here’s what the president said in public remarks, interviews and tweets from Jan. 22 to March 10 -– one day before the World Health Organization declared the global outbreak a pandemic.
Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.
Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you.” — Trump in a speech in Michigan.
Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.” — Trump at the White House. (See our item “Will the New Coronavirus ‘Go Away’ in April?“)
Feb. 14: “There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm — historically, that has been able to kill the virus. So we don’t know yet; we’re not sure yet. But that’s around the corner.” — Trump in speaking to National Border Patrol Council members.
Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.” — Trump in speaking to reporters.
Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.
Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.
Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.
Feb. 26: “I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” — Trump at a press conference, when asked if “U.S. schools should be preparing for a coronavirus spreading.”
Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” — Trump at a White House meeting with African American leaders.
Feb. 29: “And I’ve gotten to know these professionals. They’re incredible. And everything is under control. I mean, they’re very, very cool. They’ve done it, and they’ve done it well. Everything is really under control.” — Trump in a speech at the CPAC conference outside Washington, D.C.
March 4: “[W]e have a very small number of people in this country [infected]. We have a big country. The biggest impact we had was when we took the 40-plus people [from a cruise ship]. … We brought them back. We immediately quarantined them. But you add that to the numbers. But if you don’t add that to the numbers, we’re talking about very small numbers in the United States.” — Trump at a White House meeting with airline CEOs.
March 4: “Well, I think the 3.4% is really a false number.” — Trump in an interview on Fox News, referring to the percentage of diagnosed COVID-19 patients worldwide who had died, as reported by the World Health Organization. (See our item “Trump and the Coronavirus Death Rate.”)
March 7: “No, I’m not concerned at all. No, we’ve done a great job with it.” — Trump, when asked by reporters if he was concerned about the arrival of the coronavirus in the Washington, D.C., area.
March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — Trump in a tweet.
March 10: “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meeting with Republican senators.
A day later, on March 11, the WHO declared the global outbreak a pandemic.
Six days later, on March 17, Trump, who two weeks earlier had characterized Democratic criticism of his coronavirus response as a “hoax,” now claimed,
“I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”
So you don’t deny they covered and lied for China for at least 2 months
Thank you Pederast
From Fauci’s lips
You know I don't know where the missteps went, the only thing I know what the end result was, that early on we did not get correct information," Fauci said. "And the incorrect information was propagated right from the beginning because you know when the first cases came out, that were identified I think on December 31st in China and we became aware of this, they said this was just animal to human period."
"Now we know retrospectively that there was ongoing transmission from human to human in China, probably at least a few weeks before then," he said.
Fauci said once the illness hit the U.S. it became evident "that was misinformation right from the beginning."
He added that "whosever fault that was, you know, we're gonna go back and take a look at that when this is all over, but clearly it was not the right information that was given to us.
But the pederast blames Bad Orangeman not the the WHO or China
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