Sunday, April 19, 2020

So what if Covid-19 actually is "less" deadly than the flu?

From what we know right now based entirely on the statistics as they stand, for the average adult American under the age of 45, the rate of death from the Covid-19 virus is around 0.2 percent, which is about double the rate of the typical flu bug (0.1 percent).


While the current "overall" numbers suggest a death rate more in line with 4% - that includes rates upwards of 15% for people over the age of 75, many of whom (as cold as it sounds) were likely any virus away from passing away.

The problem is there is much unknown in terms of how many people may actually have the Covid-19 bug and either had mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. The more testing we do, the more likely it is that the amount of people who have had the virus will likely go up, while the amount of deaths from Covid-19 will remain the same.

As it stands, nearly everyone getting critically ill or passing from symptoms associated with the Covid-19 virus is being tested. Where someone has died from related symptoms and never had the testing, doctors are now able to provide Covid-19 as the cause of death. As it stands right now, the CDC shows more "presumed" deaths from Covid-19 than "presumed" cases. This obviously seems highly illogical, not to mention mathematically impossible (every presumed death should be automatically added as a presumed case by basic reasoning of common sense). But I digress.

But as testing ramps up (especially the anti-body tests which will show whether or not someone previously had it) the number of cases will start to go up (possibly way up) without any change to the number of Covid-19 deaths.

Pretty much all anecdotal as well as empirical data suggests that at least half (or more) people who contract Covid-19 will be asymptomatic (showing no symptoms). Tests also suggest that a great deal of people will see minor symptoms, rather than the sort of life threatening symptoms that sends people to the Hospital to get tested. This suggest that our current testing is way underestimating the number of Covid-19 cases, again without affecting the bottom line number of deaths.

So let's say that we actually have double the amount of Covid-19 cases than have currently been confirmed by the numbers. That would mean that the bulk of the population has no more to worry about from Covid-19 as they would from the typical flu.

But the anecdotal and empirical data so far suggests that doubling the amount of cases is likely just the tip of the iceberg. By doubling the total, that would put the total number of cases at about 1.5 million, or about 0.4% of the US population. Yet, researchers are estimating that those numbers are significantly higher. Some researcher are suggesting as much as 10 percent of the population might have already been infected. Other anecdotal random anti-body testing has shown between 15-33 percent of the people are testing positive (many without having had any symptoms)

But let's say that the ten percent rate is accurate, then the total rate of death (including everyone) would literally drop to about 0.1% overall. Those under the age of 45 would see the numbers plummet to approximately 0.009% death rate. In other words, it would mean that only one in 10,000 infected with Covid-19 under the age of 45 would actually be dying.

Now it may be that ten percent is an overstatement (or it could be an understatement). But what we do know is that it's much higher than the 0.2% of the population that has tested positive so far. As those numbers increase from more and more testing, the death rate will continue to go down.

The question will be when everything is all said and done... how much did we overestimate the deadliness of this virus (because we obviously have overestimated it) and to what cost did that overestimation come with?

69 comments:

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

So what if the GOP elephant could fly?

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Ch, really.
Don't you embarrass yourself?

You admit that if you take total reported cases
and compare that with total reported deaths,
you get a death rate percentage of around 4%.

Quite high.

Then you dream up scenarios for decreasing that to .1%.

Fauci and Birx do not dream things up.

They go by hard, coldhearted facts.

C.H. Truth said...

Okay Reverend...

Since you apparently believe that the amount of people affected is currently accurate, then why do you push the need for more testing?

Do you seriously believe that only 750,000 Americans (about 0.22%) have had Covid-19 (which is where we get the 4% death rate from)?

When a variety of random test studies suggest that somewhere between 10% and 33% of the population has either previously or currently has the virus?


Sorry Reverend... but I am guessing you were one of those people in high school who dropped out of math when the classes started ending in "ometry" and opted for one of those balance your checkbook math classes instead?

Commonsense said...
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Blogger Commonsense said...
It's not a dream up scenario if you were paying attention. Some experts are estimating the actual number of coronavirus cases is 10 times the reported number. Since the number of deaths is fairly static (excluding some back reporting) then the death rate is 1/10 what it is now.

Of course the bad news is you have an number of carriers out there and you don't know whether they are still infectious or not. But that still leaves to good news that outside a small subset of the population the virus is not that dangerous.

Commonsense said...

Sorry Reverend... but I am guessing you were one of those people in high school who dropped out of math when the classes started ending in "ometry" and opted for one of those balance your checkbook math classes instead?

I think the reverend hit the wall at algebra . Which coincidently introduces you to rudimentary logic.

C.H. Truth said...

The Reverend made a career out of something that demands little or no math or critical thinking. Just opinion, theory, faith, and other non-empirical thought patterns.

I suppose that is why he is so enamored with opinion and so gullible to believe everything that is written.

Commonsense said...

Actually real theology does require some logic and critical thinking (See Saint Thomas Aquinas).

However I suspect the reverend never saw the inside of a theology class in his life.

I think he got his divinity degree from the back of a matchbook.

Anonymous said...

"Since you apparently believe that the amount of people affected is currently accurate, then why do you push the need for more testing?"

Well Pro-Life James, are you going to answer?

anonymous said...

So what if Covid-19 actually is "less" deadly than the flu?


BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!! James stole what I wanted to say about pigs......Seems to me you really need a new hobby, Lil SChitty.....your mind is shot!!!!!! And the current rate in the US seems close to 4% not your cherry picked age groups....dead is fucking dead you dumb ass!@!!!!.......not what you are alleging.....sad you now only have lies to support your BS!!!!!!

Commonsense said...

Well Denny go out and catch it. Then you'll see so what.

anonymous said...

Dr Cramps shits his brains again.....BWAAAAAAAA!!!!! Remember.....you are the one bitching you can't pray peacefully in a crowd......LOLOLOLOL

Commonsense said...

None of that is even cognitive Denny. Do you work for Joe Biden?

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Commonsense said:
Actually real theology does require some logic and critical thinking (See Saint Thomas Aquinas).

However I suspect the reverend never saw the inside of a theology class in his life.

I think he got his divinity degree from the back of a matchbook.

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James says: I had fun with that. Thanks.

Barton College, BA in Religion & Philosophy and in English (double major).
Drew Theological Seminary, year of Greek and theological studies
East Carolina University, MA (Master of English)
Lexington Theological Seminary, MDiv (Master of Divinity)

Some of the church's greatest thinkers & scholars
(hurriedly, off the top of my head):
Paul, Origin, Augustus, Aquinas, Paschal, Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Alexander Campbell, Soren Kierkegaard, Karl Barth, Emil Brunner, Albert Schweitzer, Rudolph Bultmann, Jacinta Diaz, Joachim Jeremias, Dale C. Allison, John P. Meier, Paula Fredriksen, Bart Ehrman, & many, many more.

Commonsense said...

You sure didn't matriculate.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

LOL! I not only matriculated, I graduated with the listed degrees.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Okay Reverend...
Since you apparently believe that the amount of people affected is currently accurate, then why do you push the need for more testing?
Do you seriously believe that only 750,000 Americans (about 0.22%) have had Covid-19 (which is where we get the 4% death rate from)?
When a variety of random test studies suggest that somewhere between 10% and 33% of the population has either previously or currently has the virus?
Sorry Reverend... but I am guessing you were one of those people in high school who dropped out of math when the classes started ending in "ometry" and opted for one of those balance your checkbook math classes instead?

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"Since you apparently..." Again, Ch is attributing his own thoughts to me.

My thoughts:
The number of people who have had the virus is probably greater than the reported number.

The number of people who have died from the virus is probably greater than the reported number.

However, the two reported numbers, taken together, may give us a fairly accurate indication of the percentage of those who have died from the virus, ca. 4%.

Surely more accurate than your preposterous .1%.

And I am far from alone in thinking that. See your own sidebar.
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As for the need for testing. Only when we have better and more thorough testing can we better determine the number of those who have had and survived the disease, the number who have had and not survived, and the number who have never had the disease.

And that would help us immensely in determining how better to track and to deal with it.

See Drs. Birx and Fauci on that.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

And see this too:

When will a second wave of the coronavirus hit, and what will it look like?
USA TODAY,
April 19, 2020

Even before the first horrific phase of the COVID-19 pandemic has run its course, scientists are worried about the second wave of the disease.

It could crash worse than the first, killing tens of thousands of people who did such a good job of sheltering in place they remain virgin ground for the virus. Or it could be a mere swell, with so many people having been infected without symptoms that levels of immunity are higher than realized.

There is no crystal ball to look to, because so many crucial pieces of information remain missing.

Are people who've had COVID-19 immune? How long does immunity last? Will the virus play out like influenza and the common cold, peaking during cooler months and falling during warmer ones? Is its deadly path undeterred whatever the weather?

Until there’s a vaccine “it’s unfortunately not unlikely that we may see a second wave or even a third wave,” said Peter Marks, director of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, which oversees vaccines.

“I shudder to think of that, but I think we have to be realistic."
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Simply put, this also illustrates that better TESTING is needed.

JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...

It turns out that, when it comes to the Wuhan flu, sunlight is the best disinfectant

With Trump and his team announcing a plan for reopening America and suffering Americans starting to put pressure on their governments to allow businesses to re-open, Democrats are panicking and rightly so. This is going to be the summer of sunlight for them: Sunlight that kills the Wuhan virus and, if Attorney General Bill Barr and Inspector General John Durham have their way, sunlight that exposes the Democrats’ and Deep States’ attempted coup against President Trump.
...
And then there’s Trump’s prediction (or hope) that the virus will end as the
weather warms. It also turns out his instincts about warm weather were correct. The Wuhan flu, like other coronaviruses, doesn’t like sunlight:
Government tests show sunlight rapidly destroys the CCP virus, according to a Department of Homeland Security science and technology report.
“Sunlight destroys the virus quickly,” the report states.
Researchers simulated sunlight and found it greatly increased the inactivation rate of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, a novel coronavirus that emerged from mainland China last year, on surfaces relative to darkness.
The half-life of the virus was 2 minutes with full solar intensity, or similar to New York City or the District of Columbia during a clear day on summer solstice.
“Sunlight reduced infectious virus to undetectable levels after just 3 minutes of exposure to the solar equivalent of midday sun on a sunny day in the middle latitudes of the U.S.,” researchers wrote.
Half solar intensity killed the virus in 3 minutes while quarter intensity, equivalent to a clear day at the end of February, inactivated it in 4 minutes.

Locking Americans inside as the weather warms is stupid. It’s time to set us free because sunlight is literally the best disinfectant.


Figuratively, sunlight is also a great disinfectant, and we’re going to see that as AG Barr and IG Durham expose the Democrats’ machinations and start prosecuting bad actors. We’ve already seen footnotes and interviews showing that the FBI knew that its justification for spying against Trump was garbage. More of that information is going to leak and some of it will be so bad that even a D.C. Grand Jury will find it almost impossible not to issue indictments.
Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I firmly believe that life in America is going to get better very quickly with a virus-less summer (followed by a vaccination), a resurgent economy, and a lot of perp walks in Washington.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/it_turns_out_that_when_it_comes_to_the_wuhan_flu_sunlight_is_the_best_disinfectant.html#ixzz6K6tyZ4RS

Indy Voter said...

Hmmmm…

If the death rate is 0.1%, and 18,298 people have died from it in New York state, then 18,298,000 people have been infected in the state. The population of the state in the 2010 census was 18,976,457, and the estimated population for 2019 was 19,453,561.

So, basically, just about every person in New York state has been infected.

I don't think so.

And in New York City, 10,022 people have died, meaning 10,022,000 New York City residents have caught the disease. Only, the 2010 population was 8,175,133, and the estimated population in 2018 was 8,398,748. Not sure how you reconcile that. Are you saying 1.7 million people have caught it twice?

JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr

Germany’s largest newspaper comes out swinging against China. This is a must watch for US journalists who seem intent on doing China’s bidding.

Julian Reichelt
@jreichelt

China‘s embassy in Berlin wrote me an open letter because they weren‘t too happy with our Corona coverage. I responded.
Video https://twitter.com/jreichelt/status/1251431001999527936


Full version: https://facebook.com/663112015/posts/10156753447637016/?d=n…

Too bad our mainstream media is often just Chinese and DNC propaganda

Anonymous said...

How is Pelosi's Extended Vacation going?

JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...


Indy I think CHT was talking about the US as a whole, not the highest state, and for people under 45, though I assume you know that. I guess if you take out New York you can say the death rate is even much lower than 0.2 percent if you are under 45

Anonymous said...

World Deaths attributed to the Red China Virus is 165,000.

41,000 in the USA.

Some of you actually believe those numbers are accurate.

C.H. Truth said...

My thoughts:
The number of people who have had the virus is probably greater than the reported number.

The number of people who have died from the virus is probably greater than the reported number.



There is literally every reason to believe that the first is true...

There is literally NO reason to believe that the second is true...


There is a huge vast space out there of potential people who have been infected and either were either asymptomatic, had mild symptoms, or just thought that they had a bad cold or the flu. There are literally millions who could have had the virus that have not been tested.

On the flip side...

The fact is that every person who dies with these symptoms is either being tested (the lion's share are being tested) or the doctors are allowed to make a judgement call on whether they are probable Covid-19 victims.

These doctors are even allowed to make that call for people who die at home.

There is no way to actually "hide" or "miss" someone dying... especially when that's pretty much all the Hospitals are taking is people with Covid-19 symptoms and every doctor is looking for it.


Give us your reasoning for people who are dying of Covid-19 but we don't know it. Provide for us an example?

C.H. Truth said...

Well Indy... two points!

First, is that this is a "what if" situation...

As I stated:

Now it may be that ten percent is an overstatement (or it could be an understatement). But what we do know is that it's much higher than the 0.2% of the population that has tested positive so far. As those numbers increase from more and more testing, the death rate will continue to go down.


Secondly... we can play this the other way around...

Play the other 49 state game.

22,000 deaths played out for over the other 307,000,000 million Americans that do not live in New York.

Are you suggesting that it's unrealistic to thing that 22 million Americans not living in New York might have contracted the virus?

That would take only 7% of the population who caught the virus... which would be low even by a normal flu season... considering that many of these random test are showing...


Again... several testing studies are confirming that we may have way more people infected than we believe...

This Santa Clara study was just released

These prevalence estimates represent a range between 48,000 and 81,000 people infected in Santa Clara County by early April, 50-85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1


Do the math... if we have 750K confirmed... and it is understating it by the low end of 50 times... that is 37,500,000 people across the country and they believe it could be more.


We would have to wait for the final death toll, but if there are close to 40,000,000 people who have been infected and 60,000 people die then that would be right in that 0.15% range....


Again, Indy...

Not pulling this shit out of my ass.

anonymous said...


Not pulling this shit out of my ass.


That's all you do Lil Schitty.....except you are pulling it out of trumps old fat white obese ass without a filter!!!!!! Your handling of statistics with your implied bias is a FUCKING JOKE!!!!! As someone once said damned lies and statistics....

Anonymous said...

ZPG Liberals celebrate China Virus Deaths.

anonymous said...

BiPartisan support thinking trump is a worthless pile of shit and liar!!!!!!!

Governors across the country on Sunday pushed back on the Trump administration's claims that states are conducting a "sufficient" level of coronavirus testing.

Speaking with CNN's "State of the Union," Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat, said it was "delusional" to suggest the states have enough tests to soon begin reopening their economies.

"That's just delusional to be making statements like that," Northam said. "We have been fighting every day for PPE. And we have got some supplies now coming in. We have been fighting for testing. It's not a — it's not a straightforward test. We don't even have enough swabs, believe it or not. And we're ramping that up. But for the national level say that we have what we need, and really to have no guidance to the state levels, is just irresponsible, because we're not there yet."

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, a Republican, told CNN that the "lack of testing" is "probably the number one problem in America, and has been from the beginning of this crisis."

"And I have repeatedly made this argument to the leaders in Washington on behalf of the rest of the governors in America," Hogan said. "And I can tell you, I talk to governors on both sides of the aisle nearly every single day. The administration, I think, is trying to ramp up testing, and trying — they are doing some things with respect to private labs. But to try to push this off to say that the governors have plenty of testing, and they should just get to work on testing, somehow we aren't doing our job, is just absolutely false."

He added that governors have been "fighting and clawing to get more tests" from both the federal government and private labs, and are continuing to do so. He echoed Northam in saying there are shortages of swabs needed to conduct the tests, among other necessities.

anonymous said...

And the goat fucker blows more shit out his ass!!!!!! When will he ever learn??????

Anonymous said...

The population density has a direct link to states with the most Red China Flu Deaths.

anonymous said...

And the goat fucker has a direct link to the box of rocks he was conceived in !!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!

Anonymous said...

Schumer and Pelosi has systematically killed 10's of thousands of small Mom and Pop Businesses.

"Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., defended Democrats' insistence on including additional provisions in legislation that Republicans only wanted to replenish funds for the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP), despite small businesses now having to wait for relief.

Karen Mills, the former head of the Small Business Administration under President Barack Obama, urged Democrats to just give the money because "we don't have time for delay" during the coronavirus outbreak, but Schumer essentially said his party's tactics were worth it because they worked."

Get off of your extended Vacations.

anonymous said...

FIND A JOB YOU FUCKING LEECH!!!!!!

Anonymous said...



Governors across the country on Sunday pushed back on the Trump administration's claims that states are conducting a "sufficient" level of coronavirus testing.


good idea, dumb fuck.

let's wait to re-open the economy until we have a test kit for every American.

that'll only take the rest of the year, and then there won't be an economy left to re-open.

brilliant.

the thought process of the average liberal closely resembles a very loose bowel movement.

anonymous said...


let's wait to re-open the economy until we have a test kit for every American.

Pretty much what Fauci says you dumb fuck.....!!!!! Once in a while even a dumb fuck like you gets it correct!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAA!!!!

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Anonymous said...

How many Americans did Trump allow to return to America in February without requiring that they quarantine themselves?

Anonymous said...

How many Americans did Trump allow to return from China to America in February without requiring that they quarantine themselves?

Anonymous said...

Can't round up and Deport Illegals.

But, we can test 300 million plus people in America.

Non-sense.

What about those that refuse to be tested?

Anonymous said...

Travel data of passengers arriving in the United States from China during the critical period in December, January and February, when the disease took hold in that country, shows a stunning 759,493 people entered the U.S.

...Those travelers from China included more than 228,000 Americans returning home and hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals arriving for business, academics, tourism or to visit family.

Now Trump wants to claim he did a magnificent job of protecting the country from the virus.

Anonymous said...

Fuck the pederast is tiring

Anonymous said...

James her is a fellow traveler of yours.

"As some Florida beaches reopened under social distancing guidelines, Miami Herald metro columnist Fabiola Santiago tweeted on Sunday that Florida residents packing beaches “should work nicely to thin the ranks” of supporters of President Donald Trump and Gov. Ron DeSantis."

Anonymous said...

critical period in December, January and February...

What was Congress doing ?

anonymous said...

packing beaches “should work nicely to thin the ranks” of supporters of President Donald Trump


The goat fucking idiot in Kansas is now commenting on how packed the beaches are !!!!!! Time will tell that we either spike again and people die....or prove DeSantis is just as stupid as trump as # cases increased over the weekend!!!!!! Wonder if all the US citizens that came back under trumps ban quarantined themselves???? Or the 40k chinese did the same?????

Anonymous said...

In 2 months, we usually see over 500,000 deaths in America. Context matters

anonymous said...

Who the fuck am I to deny Dr Cramps, Asshole Rat, Goat fucker and Lil Schitty , the right to go out and come down with the Corona Virus.....

h., walked between a line of cars as they drove past the State Capitol and honked in protest against coronavirus restrictions.Credit...Paul Sancya/Associated Press
At a string of small “reopen America” protests across the country this week, mask-less citizens proudly flouted social distancing guidance while openly carrying semiautomatic rifles and waving American flags and signs with “ironic” swastikas. They organized chants to lock up female Democrat governors and to fire the country’s top infectious disease experts. At one point during protests at the Michigan Capitol, the group’s orchestrated gridlock blocked an ambulance en route to a nearby hospital.

For those who’ve chosen to put their trust in science during the pandemic it’s hard to fathom the decision to gather to protest while a deadly viral pathogen — transmitted easily by close contact and spread by symptomatic and asymptomatic people alike — ravages the country. But it shouldn’t come as a surprise. This week’s public displays of defiance — a march for the freedom to be infected — are the logical conclusion of the modern far-right’s donor-funded, shock jock-led liberty movement. It was always headed here.

Few demonstrate this movement better than Alex Jones of Infowars — one of the key figures of Saturday’s “You Can’t Close America” rally on the steps of the Capitol building in Austin, Tex. For decades, Mr. Jones has built a thriving media empire harnessing (real and understandable) fear, paranoia and rage, which in turn drive sales of vitamin supplements and prepper gear in his personal store. The Infowars strategy is simple: Instill a deep distrust in all authority, while promoting a seductive, conspiratorial alternate reality in which Mr. Jones, via his outlandish conspiracies, has all the answers. He’s earned the trust of a non-trivial number of Americans, and used it to stoke his ego and his bank account. And he never lets reality get in the way (case in point, holding a stay-at-home order protest in Texas the day after the state announced it would begin efforts to carefully reopen in coming weeks).

Helen Branswell said...

This is the end of my important article which shows how wrong we experts were:
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...Even in mid-February, Fauci was describing the risk to Americans as “relatively low,” saying that he hoped sustained human-to-human spread might not occur in the United States.

He and Messonnier both noted that there were only 13 cases in the United States — surely a major underestimate at the time. Health departments were monitoring the contacts of known cases, but weren’t seeing illnesses among those contacts, Messonnier said.

I pressed Fauci on his assessment the risk was low, pointing out there was no force field around China. “Is there a risk that this is going to turn into a global pandemic? Absolutely yes! There is. There is,” he acknowledged.

The following week I interviewed a number of infectious diseases experts in the U.S. and Europe. I was working on a story exploring why the virus seemed not to be spreading as much outside of China as it had in Wuhan and Hubei province. Several of the people I spoke to were puzzled. Then Caitlin Rivers, an assistant professor of epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, gave me that Epidemiology 101 lesson: It takes time, she explained, for an outbreak to build to the exponential growth phase, where cases appear to mushroom and hospitals get overrun.

Before I had time to write the article, Iran and then Italy proved her right. A pandemic was clearly underway.


Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the CDC, agrees that there was a kind of unreal quality to the emerging evidence as cases continued to climb, though she, like Messonnier, said the agency’s response was early and aggressive. Schuchat is now leading the CDC’s day-to-day response.

Schuchat, who ran Messonnier’s center before being named the agency’s No. 2, spent years involved in planning for pandemic influenza — planning that was deployed during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic. That event was mild, by pandemic standards.

“There’s a sense for all of us pandemic influenza planners and responders and respiratory virus folks that look back at [the Spanish flu pandemic of] 1918 and say, ‘Well, we always need to prepare and be ready for that.’ But in the back of your mind it’s sort of ‘Yeah, but I’m not going to have to go through it,’” she told me last week.

Initially, information out of China was at times murky. The death rate seemed high, but it wasn’t clear if that was because milder cases were simply being underreported.

“I think many of us doubted the severity. The sense of well, OK, it’s a few percent, but that’s because you’re only keeping up with what’s in the hospital,” Schuchat said. It’s become clear since “it’s a severe pandemic. There’s no question about that.”

Schuchat recalled the moment when she realized what the country and the world might be facing. In a Feb. 27 meeting with modelers who had been working on estimates of what might happen in the U.S., the scenario that seemed the most plausible projected 2 million Americans would die, if actions to slow spread weren’t taken.

“I remember sitting in that room and saying … ‘We’ve got to go on a pause. People have to stay home,’” Schuchat said. “This seems like the time for mitigation.”


The Trump administration has resisted calls for a national shelter-in-place order, leaving it to state and local health authorities to act on their own. California issued the first mandatory stay-at-home order on March 19, followed closely thereafter by Washington state. Many, though not all other states followed suit.

“Whether it’s wishful thinking or magical thinking, I think we were taking it seriously, acting aggressively,” Schuchat said. “But in the back of our minds, there’s that human nature of denial, that ‘Could it really be as severe as it is?'”

Helen Branswell
Senior Writer, Infectious Disease

Helen covers issues broadly related to infectious diseases, including outbreaks, preparedness, research, and vaccine development.

anonymous said...

Context matters

Yep....Adding 10% to that 500k number is a significant event.......that seems to elude the right wing idiots here!!!!

Helen Branswell said...

STAT report by Helen Branswell, April 20l, 2020

The months of magical thinking: As the coronavirus swept over China, some experts were in denial

The response to the coronavirus pandemic in the United States and other countries has been hobbled by a host of factors, many involving political and regulatory officials. Resistance to social distancing measures, testing debacles, and longtime failures to prepare for the possibility of a pandemic all played a role.

But a subtler, less-recognized factor contributed to the wasting of precious weeks in January and February, when preparations to try to stop the virus should have kicked immediately into high gear.

Magical thinking — you could call it denial — hampered the ability of even some of the most seasoned infectious diseases experts to recognize the full threat of what was bearing down on the world.

My article contnues.

Anonymous said...

It appears that Trump is not the only one to be blamed...

Anonymous said...

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/20/the-months-of-magical-thinking-as-the-coronavirus-swept-over-china-some-experts-were-in-denial-about-what-was-to-come/

anonymous said...


It appears that Trump is not the only one to be blamed...

With him claiming to be absolutely in charge of everything.....he is absolutely to be blamed!!!!! Instead....he uses his Presser to blame everyone but the kitchen sink for the lack of response....!!!!! Acts like the kid with crumbs on his lips and denying who was in the cookie jar.....the slurpers swallow!!!!

Anonymous said...

The only ones Blaming Trump.
Are pro-China and Anti-American Leftist.

Anonymous said...

Some of the best experts in the world, including Fauci, were wrong.

Anonymous said...

The Serious Decline of Biden Health and mental capacity is center stage.

Anonymous said...

No. The virus is.

Anonymous said...

Helen Branswell
Senior Writer, Infectious Disease


nothing says infectious disease specialist like a B.A. in English literature the St. Thomas University in New Brunswick, Canada

with epidemiology creds like that... just wow.


Commonsense said...

let's wait to re-open the economy until we have a test kit for every American.
that'll only take the rest of the year, and then there won't be an economy left to re-open.
brilliant.


It's essentially what the Democrats want. They want to destroy the economy and level as much pain and misery as possible in hopes everybody blames Trump.

I don't think it will work. (For one thing Trump can leave the Democrat governors high and dry if the science says their states and ready to reopen and they stubbornly keep it in lock down). But even if it does, be careful what you wish for, because they will be responsible for rebuilding the economy and once you have to destroyed it, it will take years to rebuild and it won't be the dynamic wealth engine it was before.

anonymous said...


nothing says infectious disease specialist like


Her opinion is just as credible as your you dumb fuck!!!! Plus she is published while you languish in your shit hole life!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Helen Branswell is STAT’s infectious diseases and global health reporter. She came to STAT in 2015 with 15 years of experience covering health, with a focus on infectious diseases. Helen was introduced to epidemic reporting during Toronto’s SARS outbreak in 2003; in the years since she has written about bird flu, the H1N1 flu pandemic, Ebola, Zika and now leads STAT’s coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. She spent the summer of 2004 embedded at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as a CDC Knight Fellow. In 2010-11 she was a Nieman Global Health Fellow at Harvard, where she focused on polio eradication.

anonymous said...

Helen according to rat has no business providing her opinion in print because she tells the truth....another quality of the right whose minds have been lost!!~!!!

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Dr. Fauci speaks:
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1252220166852743169

Toward the end of the interview he addresses the questions of those protesting a slow reopening of the country:

“If you jump the gun, and go into a situation where you have a big spike, you’re going to set yourself back. So as painful as it is to go by the careful guidelines of gradually phasing into a reopening — it’s going to backfire. That’s the problem.”

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

The Branswell article appears well resourced and referenced. Even the experts were wrong.

I do not like to have to admit that Trump was misled even by the experts, including Fauci, but that seems to be the case. Too bad Trump is not willing to admit that. That would help his credibility. But he is incapable of being that honest with the American people.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Back to raw politics:

Biden Up Big Among Those Who Don’t Like Either
April 20, 2020 at 10:43 am EDT By Taegan Goddard

The new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that voters who have a negative opinion of both President Trump and Joe Biden
overwhelmingly prefer Biden,
60% to 10%.

wow

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Back to raw politics:

Big Majority Say Trump Didn’t Take Virus Seriously
April 20, 2020 at 11:00 am EDT

A new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that 65% of Americans say President Trump did not take the coronavirus “seriously enough at the beginning.”

That echoes a Pew Research Center survey that showed 65% believe Trump was “too slow to take major steps” to address the situation.

C.H. Truth said...

That echoes a Pew Research Center survey that showed 65% believe Trump was “too slow to take major steps” to address the situation.

Wow Reverend... was that the same Pew study that showed that Trump leads Biden 47-45 in the Battleground states?

Republican and Democratic voters overwhelmingly favor their party’s candidate. Trump holds an early advantage in Republican-leaning states, while Biden has an even wider lead in Democratic-leaning states. In battleground states, neither candidate has an advantage (47% prefer Trump, while 45% favor Biden).



https://www.people-press.org/2020/04/16/the-2020-election-and-congress/

anonymous said...

And once again Lil Schitty compares oranges and tennis sneakers to make another idiotic point that proves his math skills suck!!!!!! BWAAAAAAA!!!!

JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...

slow and steady improvement of Trump odds to win the presidency.

He's gone from even money mid-March to now +125 (bet 125 to win a 100)

Wait till the public who don't follow politics are exposed to Biden...

and people want to get back to work and see the dem's as obstructionists working against the president


https://www.oddsshark.com/politics/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures