My childhood was not all sunshine and unicorns. I started earning my own money when I was 10 to buy things other kids had bought for them. Corn detassaling, lawn mowing and odd jobs, a eventually a paper route. Through high school I held down a job, lettered in three different sports, and still maintained an honor roll GPA. I paid my own way through college working two jobs and living off 49 cent frozen pizzas and egg noodle dinners and still managed to make the occasional Dean's list.
It's like the old cliche about how luck and hard work always seem in sync. The harder you work, the luckier you get. This same cliche could be updated for 2020, by simply suggesting that the harder you work, the more "privileged" you seem to be. Either way, the concept is the same. I would not have been successful had I allowed my lower middle class upbringing to be an excuse to not put the extra effort into parts of my life where I had to compete with others who had financial advantages over me. I suspect it's been the same story throughout history and will likely remain the story in generations to come.
But such talk of hard work and dedication seems to be scoffed at by many in 2020. People no longer seem to be taught that hard work and dedication is the manner in which you rise above. Rather we are taught today that it's all about changing the system, changing society, tearing down inequalities, and when push comes to shove, removing anything that remind us that things are are inherently unfair (as if sticking our head in the sand is a manner to push beyond something).
We certainly wouldn't want to burden someone by telling them to work harder. Not when we can hand them a protest sign, provide them a place to occupy, or give them an excuse to burn something down. To certain idealists, the unfairness of life isn't something that should be dealt with at any individual level with hard work and dedication. Rather it's up to society to make it fair so that nobody has to work harder than anyone else to get to the same place.
If you look at the current protests going on in Seattle and other areas of the country; what are they really doing, if not holding a glorified temper tantrum? What they have been taught is if they make a scene in the grocery checkout because they want a candy bar, that many times their tantrum is appeased. My parents (and I would assume the parents of many from my generation) dealt with that tantrum after we left the store. I would have gone without the candy bar and without the ability to sit comfortably on my well tanned bottom had I pulled that kind of stunt.
But in this instance, they don't just want a candy bar, but they have an entire "list" of things that they demand in exchange for them... um... quieting their protests and giving back the parcel of land that they have stolen from the legal owners. Perhaps it's just a simple temper tantrum, or perhaps it's closer to the terrorism that some suggest that this sort of situation represents. Either way, they are holding a portion of a city hostage and are demanding a ransom to give it back. But ironically, much of the population believes in the cause and even supports the manner in which they are attempting to achieve their mostly ill-advised goals.
The question becomes as to whom, when, and why people were taught that this was acceptable behavior and the approved method of getting what you want in life? Who, when, and why did some determine that somehow life could be "fair" if we just held a couple more protests and made more people aware of the inherent unfairness of things.
Because once you eliminate the unfairness of one thing, the unfairness of something else will rise up to replace it. I hate to break it to those who believe differently, but life will never be fair. Our inherent individual differences as people guarantee that. Some people will be bigger, smarter, and generally more talented than others. Call it unfair systemic genetics. But it exists and I am not sure how you go about pretending it doesn't. Certainly it doesn't help to hold a sign at a rally.
My question on this is simple. Is this difference in fundamental thinking generational, political or is is a little bit of both?
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Meet the Supporters Trump Has Lost
July 1, 2020 at 10:05 am EDT
The New York Times talks to the supporters President Trump has already lost.
Judith Goines, who voted for Trump in 2016, said: “I think if he weren’t such an appalling human being, he would make a great president, because I think what this country needs is somebody who isn’t a politician… I’m ashamed to say that I’ve voted for him.”
Another from John Crilly: “What changed my mind? 120,000 deaths.”
Another from: Robert Kaplan of Racine, Wis. who voted for the president because he wanted to abolish Obamacare, and he didn’t trust Mrs. Clinton. But he was disappointed from the start.
“He’s an embarrassment,” he said. “He’s like a little kid with a temper tantrum when he doesn’t get things to go his way. He’s very punitive — if you disagree, he fires you. He disrespects very good people in Washington trying to do some good. And I think it’s very disrespectful of the office to be tweeting all the time.”
More than 80 percent of the voters who won’t back Mr. Trump again agreed with the statement that he doesn’t behave the way a president ought to act. Their view is shared by 75 percent of registered voters across the battleground states.
“He said he was going to, quote unquote, drain the swamp," Mr. Kaplan said, "and all he’s done is splashed around and rolled around in it.”
Mr. Biden wasn’t his first pick, but he believes he has a chance to “bring the people back together.” His choice of vice president is important, he said — he hopes it’s someone younger, who can close the divide between the two parties."
John Chavez, in Ariz., voted for both George W. Bush and Barack Obama. His 2016 vote was not so much for Mr. Trump, he said, as against Mrs. Clinton — he was “spooked” by things he’d heard about her potential involvement in scandals.
“I thought, obviously he’s going to step it up and he’s going to have to change, he’s going to have to become more presidential,” he said. “But little did I know, he’s not. He got worse.”
There was one moment, he said, when “he lost me forever”: when Mr. Trump did not wear a mask during his recent rally in Tulsa, Okla. He said that the president should not have made masks into a political symbol, and that if the public should wear masks, so should he.
Mr. Chavez will vote for Mr. Biden, mostly as a vote against Mr. Trump.
Though many voters similarly described Mr. Biden as the least objectionable choice, some were more enthusiastic.
Craig Smith, 64, a veteran in Big Rapids, Mich., said he planned to vote for Mr. Biden because “he’s got integrity, he tells the truth, he’s got compassion and empathy.”
“Donald Trump represents the past,” he said, “and I believe that the Democrats and Joe Biden and the young people of the world are looking at the future.
“I will never vote for another Republican in my life because of Donald Trump,” Mr. Smith added. “What changed? Well, three years.”
The mother of a Marine killed last year in Afghanistan wants an investigation of reports that her son and two other Marines may have been the targets of Taliban-linked fighters who collected a bounty on U.S. soldiers offered by a Russian military intelligence unit.
Felicia Arculeo, whose son Cpl. Robert Hendriks died in the April 8, 2019, attack, also told CNBC "that the parties who are responsible should be held accountable, if that's even possible."
Also upset by the news reports was Shawn Gregoire, a Chicago woman whose son, Army Spc. Michael Isaiah Nance, was fatally shot July 29, 2019, with another soldier, Pfc. Brandon Jay Kreischer, in Afghanistan by an Afghan soldier who was being trained by U.S. military.
The President is calling it a hoax.
He said the same thing about the coronavirus.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/mom-of-marine-killed-in-afghanistan-wants-russia-bounty-claim-investigated.html
I came from a lower middle class American family.
I screwed up when I didn't get the education I needed.
But my father Ivan told me that I had a learn how to make enough money for a good life.
I became a union carpenter and worked my ass off for 25 years.
I then got hired by Kaiser Permanente Facility services and worked my ass off for 17 years
Well written and thoughtful commentary CHT. We had a similar upbringing and mine included working full-time from high school on. I actually was paid 30 cents an hour less than minimum back then because I was considered a "farm worker" at an egg processing plant. I had to do 12 hours shifts when immigration came and rounded up all the illegals who formed the bulk of our workers until we got replacements. I could go on but I won't.
I'll let the TDS infected liars, plagiarizers and spammers take back over using the familiar FAKE NEWS propaganda.
OCCUPY CHT.
ROFLMFAO !!!
The New York Times talks to the supporters President Trump has already lost.
gien the NYT's propensity to lie, i would be willing to bet that the people named in the article don't actually exist.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
I came from a lower middle class American family.
alky,
when you post shit like this you need to start it off like jim acosta does:
dear diary...
because no one else gives a shit.
good job fauci -
(Bloomberg) -- NPC International Inc., the largest franchisee of Pizza Hut restaurants in the U.S., filed for bankruptcy after coronavirus-related shutdowns added to competitive pressures in the restaurant industry.
The closely held company sought Chapter 11 protection in the Southern District of Texas court on Wednesday. NPC, founded in 1962, operates 1,227 Pizza Hut and 393 Wendy’s stores across the U.S., according to court papers.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pizza-hut-wendy-operator-npc-070330871.html
to possess the power to utterly destroy such large swaths of our economy must be intoxicating.
rat says
given the NYT's propensity to lie, i would be willing to bet that the people named in the article don't actually exist.
JAMES SUGGESTS:
Read the entire article and look at the photos and lose your bet.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/upshot/poll-trump-defectors-2020-election.html
Warning: The entire article is a lot more hard hitting than these excerpts.
The president also lost voters because of his handling of the growing movement against police brutality and entrenched racism. More than 80 percent of those who won’t vote for him again say that Mr. Biden would do a better job on race relations or unifying America. Of the Trump voters who have not ruled out voting for him again, only around 10 percent said they trusted Mr. Biden to do a better job on race relations.
Kelvin Pittman II, 34, who is self-employed doing car detailing in Jacksonville, Fla., said he voted for Mr. Trump because “he was a great businessman.” As a Black man, he said he aligns with Democrats on many issues, but as a businessman, he favors certain Republican policies.
Then came the killing of Mr. Floyd. Mr. Pittman felt the president didn’t take it seriously: “It was kind of the last straw. It was like, this dude is just in it for himself. I thought he was supposed to be for the people.”
Cathleen Graham, 53, a nurse who lives in a mostly white suburb of Grand Rapids, Mich., has had very different life experiences, but came to the same conclusion. She said she had been shocked to learn how much racism still existed.
“I understand the movement and why it’s going on a lot better than I did than when the gentleman was kneeling at the football game,” she said, referring to Colin Kaepernick. “Even speaking up to support it, I’ve lost friends, friends that were crude, and I was like, ‘How can you even think that of another race?’”
Mr. Trump fits in that category, she said. She plans to vote for Mr. Biden.
Trump hasn't been trying to expand his base. He defeated Hillary Clinton in a minority popular margin in the last election.
The article has pictures of the people they interviewed.
rrb said...
The New York Times talks to the supporters President Trump has already lost.
gien the NYT's propensity to lie, i would be willing to bet that the people named in the article don't actually exist.
I bet they exist. Democrats are always claiming to be what they are not. This is just like the all the "shocking examples of racism' that almost always turn out to be HOAXES. And nobody trusts the NYT anymore.
except other liars.
Kind of like roger always claiming to have voted for Reagan. Must have liked his position on abortion, or death penalty, or trickle-down economics, or protesting students, or against the South American rebels and Cuba or against unions or against globalism or ???
Brady611
@Brady6111
What an awesome fricken night in Boise Idaho!!! BLM protest downtown city hall! We out numbered them 5 to 1!!!! About 3200 people showed up. I saw three different biker clubs, women with sidearms, everybody was Back the Blue. Just overwhelmed them. Awesome night!
Not any Biden 2020 signs ???
The question becomes as to whom, when, and why people were taught that this was acceptable behavior and the approved method of getting what you want in life? Who, when, and why did some determine that somehow life could be "fair" if we just held a couple more protests and made more people aware of the inherent unfairness of things.
it began with the "new deal" and accelerated greatly with "the great society."
the river of free shit went from a trickle to a torrent.
democrats, upon the loss of their slaves, realized they needed a new class to enslave to maintain power. a permanent underclass who could easily become addicted to free shit by becoming wards of the state. ted kennedy knew this when he loosened immigration requirements in 1965. it has accelerated since then, and today the black community enjoys an out of wedlock birth rate 70+%
back in the 30's and the 60's we sowed the wind.
today we reap the whirlwind.
Blogger rrb said...
The New York Times talks to the supporters President Trump has already lost.
gien the NYT's propensity to lie, i would be willing to bet that the people named in the article don't actually exist.
What did Iowahawk say about journalism?
David Burge (Iowahawk) - "Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving."
"Modern journalism is all about deciding which facts the public shouldn't know because they might reflect badly on Democrats."
-- Jim Treacher
no self respecting trump supporter would knowingly give an interview to the NYT.
the story is bullshit.
Ozzy Osbourne hired to interpret Joe Biden’s speeches
As the 2020 presidential election draws near, Democratic strategists have been scrambling to find someone capable of interpreting their presumptive nominee Joe Biden.
After an exhaustive search, the Democratic National Committee has selected world renowned rock star Ozzy Osbourne to interpret the unintelligible former vice president.
We were a little worried about Ozzy after the elderly rocker was stricken with pneumonia, but we were encouraged after listening to Ozzy’s peaceful spoken word meditations album and he really is the only person who speaks anything close to Bidenese,” DNC Chair Tom Perez said.
After going through several speech writers including Jar Jar Binks and The Swedish Chef, staffers realized that it wasn’t the speech-writers making Biden sound like a complete jumbled mess but the politician himself.
Osbourne is excited about the new role.
“I just flumbba jigga pallug muhd, see?” Osbourne said in his first interview as translator. “And the jifflun huhhzzah willy jiggles.”
Biden expressed some hesitance.
“Only one person can fill the tank of a leaf blower on a sunny day and that ain’t slack, Jack.”
After the Babylon Bee nonsense, the following may be regarded as a serious, intelligent reply to portions of Ch's last two thread articles:
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THE NEW YORK TIMES SAYS:
The ‘Rocket Ship’ Economic Recovery Is CRASHING
July 1, 2020 at 1:58 pm EDT
“After weeks of a pandemic-induced contraction, the economy had begun rebounding faster than many economists expected from mid-April into June, as infection rates stabilized or fell across much of the country and the federal government injected trillions of dollars in the economy. States began to reopen, shoppers increased their spending and employers started to hire back furloughed workers.
“BUT THERE WERE SIGNS in late May and early June that the pace of recovery was beginning to slow, even BEFORE another wave of infections swept through states that had moved quickly to ease limits on public gatherings. In recent weeks, as that wave intensified, real-time economic data began to show the economy moving backward as rising infection fears spooked consumers.”
USA Today-Suffolk University poll:
Most Say Biden Has Better Experience to Be President
A new USA Today-Suffolk University poll asked whether people thought BOTH President Trump and Joe Biden had “the right experience to be president.”
RESULT: A WHOPPING NO!
Despite actually being president for three and a half years,
just 37%
said that was true of Trump,
while a whopping 67%
said it was true of Biden.
PLAYBOOK SAYS:
Trump Revs Up for Another Culture War
“Well, here we are again. The question hanging over Washington is whether President Trump will veto the National Defense Authorization Act — the Pentagon policy bill that has been signed into law for 59 consecutive years.
“At issue is whether the United States should consider stripping military bases of their Confederate namesakes. Trump says no. Congress looks like it will say yes, America should no longer honor these men. If it ends up in the bill — which it will — the president says he’ll veto it.
“In other words, the president says he will side with deceased former Confederate generals over expected bipartisan majorities in the Congress.”
__________
So if Congress were to pass a bill keeping the generals' names and bringing back the slavery they fought for, Trump would let that one stand?
IN SPITE OF ALL THAT TRUMP HAS DONE TO TRY TO MAKE US HATE IMMIGRANTS
GALLUP:
Americans Want More Immigration
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34% of Americans would prefer to see immigration to the U.S. INCREASED.*
28% want to see it DECREASED
36% think it should STAY at the present level.
___________
*THIS IS UP FROM 27% A YEAR AGO AND IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL RECORDED SINCE 1965.
Virginia Democrats draft proposal to downgrade assault on police to misdemeanor
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/virginia-democrats-draft-proposal-to-downgrade-assault-on-police-to-misdemeanor
at some point we won't have any cops because no one will want the fucking job.
brilliant.
Benny
@bennyjohnson
Remember when everyone used to say “What’s next, Mount Rushmore?”
Two days ago
@TheDemocrats
Tweeted that it was “glorifying white supremacy”
Today the New York Times is going after it.
The mob is now officially coming for Mount Rushmore.
Quote Tweet
The New York Times
@nytimes
· 1h
Mount Rushmore was built on land that belonged to the Lakota tribe and sculpted by a man who had strong bonds with the Ku Klux Klan. It features the faces of 2 U.S. presidents who were slaveholders.
https://nyti.ms/2YQJbgs
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1278395947295428610
Benny
@bennyjohnson
Hard to believe there is somebody named benny who is dumber than you are asshole!!!!!!!! Anyone who knows anything are very familiar with the guy who sculpted it.....You were the asshole who noted a failure of the american school system while not realizing you are the prime example of that failure!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! No wonder why you live alone like a fucking hermit......!!!
The very hot governor of SD has spoken On this
Governor Kristi Noem
@govkristinoem
·
Jun 23
Not on my watch
I'll let the TDS infected liars, plagiarizers and spammers take back over using the familiar FAKE NEWS propaganda.
FACT CHECK - TRUE
ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTS:
Richmond Mayor Orders Removal of Confederate Statues
July 1, 2020 at 4:32 pm
“Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney ordered the immediate removal of all Confederate statues on city land, saying he was using his emergency powers to speed up the healing process for the former capital of the Confederacy amid weeks of protests over police brutality and racial injustice."
So you never bettered your lot in life Alky.
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Blogger Roger Amick said...
I came from a lower middle class American family."
Funny how the Socialist talk of "class".
Not a thing in the USA.
The goat fucker who lives in the bottom of mommy's basement, is unemployed and leeching on society worried about others station in life where he has NONE!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Roger is Historically and as always spectacularly wrong.
Anonymous Caliphate4vr said...
The very hot governor of SD has spoken On this
the best part of the NYT tweet is there's not a single fucking soy boi sissy who works for the times who would be caught dead at rushmore.
it tends not to attract many latte-sipping fags.
Exactly, except for the Tranny Roger.
Remember when O'Biden fought against '"systematic Racism"?
OOOPS!!!!!!!!
Biden and the DNC raised 141 million in June, his campaign announced Wednesday night, topping the total haul of President Donald Trump and the Republican National Committee for the second straight month.
Trump and the RNC combined to raise $131 million.
Both campaigns massively improved upon their fundraising from May, when Biden and the DNC banked $80.8 million and Trump raised $74 million.
Biden has now outraised Trump in both months since reaching a joint fundraising agreement with the DNC in late April, which allowed him to raise much larger sums from a single donor. Trump and the RNC have had a joint fundraising agreement for years.
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