Wednesday, August 5, 2020

Myths about hydroxychloroquine

The United States and Europe stand apart from the rest of the world in their opposition to the drug

Obviously one of the most controversial and idiotically emotional arguments over Covid has been whether or not to use hydroxychloroquine. As Americans, we had embraced it during our past Covid outbreaks, we had embraced it fairly early in the stages of our current Covid, and then it became political and all hell broke loose.

While there have been a million and one different studies, the most consistent thing we know about the drug is that it appears to work when provided very early in the process, and that most every country that has used it to this degree has had success.

Countries that used hydroxychloroquine as an early means of mitigation vs those who didn't

On the flip side, countries more worried about their politics than their national health (such as the United States and European countries) have gone back and forth in regards to hydroxychloroquine, and most have (at one point in time) created some sort of ban on a drug that has proven to be safe for use with everyone, including pregnant and nursing women. More to the point, at one point WHO actually came out against the drug, only to step back later and change their mind

Chart by John Hopkins of what happened when the Swiss temporarily suspended the use of hydroxychloroquine

What the drug doesn't do is apparently help much once a patient has been hospitalized. These are the studies that the American media has focused on, while ignoring those that suggest the the drug has been successfully used when given early on. But this runs counter to our own medical guidance by our own experts who demand that "isolation" is more important than any sort of treatment.

However, the NIH promoted a much different strategy for the United States. The “Fauci Strategy” was to keep early infected patients quarantined at home without treatment until they developed a shortness of breath and had to be admitted to a hospital. Then they would they be given hydroxychloroquine. The Food and Drug Administration cluelessly agreed to this doctrine and it stated in its hydroxychloroquine Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) that “hospitalized patients were likely to have a greater prospect of benefit (compared to ambulatory patients with mild illness).”

The reality is that there is little overall tangible empirical evidence to suggest that the countries using hydroxychloroquine are wrong to be doing so, but an incredible amount of empirical evidence that they are correct to do so. Just that that evidence isn't coming from the United States and we have been largely manipulated and gas-lighted by an anti-Trump American media who provide us with what they want us to know.

There are now 53 studies that show positive results of hydroxychloroquine in COVID infections. There are 14 global studies that show neutral or negative results -- and 10 of them were of patients in very late stages of COVID-19, where no antiviral drug can be expected to have much effect. Of the remaining four studies, two come from the same University of Minnesota author. The other two are from the faulty Brazil paper, which should be retracted, and the fake Lancet paper, which was.

So how many of those 53 studies have we heard about? Most all of them have been attacked, derided, misinterpreted, or just outright ignored by our American media... all the while we continue to have one of the highest rates of deaths in the entire world.

When this is all said and done, the determination will no doubt be that social distancing, lock down, mask wearing, and other politically woke popular responses will be shown objectively and statistically to have helped very little. Studies are already coming out showing this has been the case across the entire globe. What happens if the evidence is irrefutable that early use of hydroxychloroquine was actually the thing that separated successful from unsuccessful countries in their response to Covid?

Will anyone actually say they were sorry?

159 comments:

Commonsense said...

The whole point of HCQ is to give it on an outpatient basis to prevent hospitalization. And instead of designing double blind "randomized" test to actually determine HCQ's effectiveness they are actually design for failure.

For example in one "randomized" double blind study none of the participants were over the age of 50 and none of them had a medical complications that put them in the at risk category. So of course taking HCQ vs a placebo made no significant difference in healthy individuals who would have mild or no symptoms whatsoever and then they declared HCQ was a failure.

It's political BS.

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Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

One of the President's Doctors who works for the COVID-19 infection team said:

In an interview on "Meet the Press," Giroir, the assistant secretary of health and human services for health, did not specifically mention the president, but he it made clear that the scientific consensus is that the drug does not help treat the disease.


"Most physicians and prescribers are evidence-based, and they're not influenced by whatever is on Twitter or anything else. And the evidence just does not show hydroxychloroquine is effective right now," he said.

"We need to move on from that and talk about what is effective," he added, pointing to public hygiene measures like hand-washing and mask-wearing, as well as treatments like the drug remdesivir and steroids.

"At this point in time, there has been five randomized controlled, placebo-controlled trials that do not show any benefit to hydroxychloroquine. So, at this point in time, we don't recommend that as a treatment."


You keep denying any medical experts, in order to support the President


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Most physicians and prescribers are evidence-based, and they're not influenced by whatever is on Twitter or anything else. And the evidence just does not show hydroxychloroquine is effective right now," he said.

"We need to move on from that and talk about what is effective,"

Anonymous said...



"At this point in time, there has been five randomized controlled, placebo-controlled trials that do not show any benefit to hydroxychloroquine. So, at this point in time, we don't recommend that as a treatment."


i tell you what sport -

you keep fucking around with your triple-blind, quintuple-randomized, placebo-controlled laboratory trials, and the rest of us will trust in our own doctors to do what's right and to prescribe what they feel is necessary.

fuck off admiral. you bring zero value to this conversation other than fulfilling a masturbatory fantasy for the alky.





Commonsense said...

Most physicians and prescribers are evidence-based, and they're not influenced by whatever is on Twitter or anything else. And the evidence just does not show hydroxychloroquine is effective right now," he said.

Except the Ford study, the French, study and the unmistakeable correlation between countries who use and encourages hydroxychloroquine and are doing well vs those countries who ban or discourage its use and are doing poorly.

This man does not know what he speaks.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Total political bullshit ..


When this is all said and done, the determination will no doubt be that social distancing, lock down, mask wearing, and other politically woke popular responses will be shown objectively and statistically to have helped very little.


Every single, non partisan experts say that masks and social distancing is very effective in reducing the risk of infection by the COVID-45 virus

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Ford study has been exposed as a partisan conservative movement

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

We lose about 2,000 people per day and Canada loses 35

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

The Ford study has been exposed as a partisan conservative movement



share the evidence that backs your claim or be considered a liar on this particular topic too, alky.


Anonymous said...



Every single, non partisan experts say that masks and social distancing is very effective in reducing the risk of infection by the COVID-45 virus


yup.

the same experts who confidently predicted 2.1 MILLION US COVID deaths.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

TORONTO -- Health Canada is warning the public of the possible side effects of a drug that U.S. President Donald Trump once touted as a possible “game changer” for the treatment and prevention of COVID-19.


They have saved thousands of lives and we have lost over 160,000 Americans

Anonymous said...



that's nice alky. but health canada does not support your ford study claim.

Anonymous said...


Blogger Roger Amick said...

We lose about 2,000 people per day...


yet coldheart's tracker on the sidebar reflects a 7 day rolling average of 1081, and a downward trend.

perhaps you can explain the discrepancy alky.

Commonsense said...

the same experts who confidently predicted 2.1 MILLION US COVID deaths.

If it was president Hillary Clinton instead of president Donald J Trump that would have been certainly the case and a vaccine would have been still years away instead of going to it's final trials today. We really dodged a bullet in 2016.

Commonsense said...

The Ford study has been exposed as a partisan conservative movement

Is this the same idiot you got your info on the hatch act from? You need to find another source.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

They are not a medical care solutions or provider of health care and other health professionals

Anonymous said...



LOL:

Team Trump will be spending more time in Wisconsin during the Milwaukee Democrat Convention than Joe Biden.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

They are not a medical care solutions or provider of health care and other health professionals



WHAA???


Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Ch, there must really be something wrong with you. You render yourself ridiculous by continuing to beat this dead horse.

Why don't you put up or shut up?

You said:
What happens IF the evidence is irrefutable that early use of was actually the thing that separated successful from unsuccessful countries in their response to Covid?

IF.

Put Up:
Give us the names of those countries which have the best records of how they responded to the Covid epidemic along with verification that it was their use of hydroxychloroquine* which most contributed to their success.

Or Shut Up.

_________

*Other than the methods more highly recommended by health officials.

Commonsense said...

The Ford hospital group is most certainly healthcare providers.

The study was peer reviewed published. It has not been retracted nor criticized except for a few partisan hacks.

Anonymous said...



oh look.

the pederast is making a seperate set of demands after getting his ass handed to him on his LAST set of demands.

LOL.

Commonsense said...

Put Up:
Give us the names of those countries which have the best records of how they responded to the Covid epidemic along with


Turkey, Algeria, Morocco, Indonesia. It's right there on the fucking chart James.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

They are not a medical care solutions or provider of health care and other health professionals



Founded in 1915 by auto pioneer Henry Ford and now one of the nation's leading health care providers, Henry Ford Health System is a not-for-profit corporation managed by Chief Executive Officer Wright L. Lassiter, III and governed by a 17-member Board of Trustees, with volunteer-led advisory and affiliate boards providing additional leadership.

It is comprised of hospitals, medical centers and one of the nation's largest group practices, the Henry Ford Medical Group, which includes more than 1,200 physicians practicing in over 40 specialties. The System's flagship, Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit, is a Level 1 Trauma Center recognized for clinical excellence in cardiology, cardiovascular surgery, neurology and neurosurgery, orthopedics, sports medicine, multi-organ transplants and cancer treatment.


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For more information on Henry Ford's clinical trials, you can call (313) 916-1784. To learn more about clinical trials available through Henry Ford Allegiance Health, call (517) 205-2110 or email HFAHClinicalTrials@hfhs.org.


https://www.henryford.com/clinical-trials

Treatment with hydroxychloroquine cut the death rate significantly in sick patients hospitalized with COVID-19 – and without heart-related side-effects, according to a new study published by Henry Ford Health System.

In a large-scale retrospective analysis of 2,541 patients hospitalized between March 10 and May 2, 2020 across the system’s six hospitals, the study found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine alone died compared to 26.4% not treated with hydroxychloroquine. None of the patients had documented serious heart abnormalities; however, patients were monitored for a heart condition routinely pointed to as a reason to avoid the drug as a treatment for COVID-19.

The study was published today in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, the peer-reviewed, open-access online publication of the International Society of Infectious Diseases (ISID.org).


https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study



nope, "they are not a medical care solutions or provider of health care and other health professionals"

nope, not at all alky.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You people don't understand how science works

When it first appeared in January, the President said that it was not a big deal and later on he said that it is a "Democratic hoax "

When it first appeared, we didn't know much about it. The scientists and medical researchers studied the results of the infections and the side effects include lung problems.

The original investigation may have been incorrect, but it was not a partisan comment on the number of potential infections and death numbers.

As the time goes on, they figured out how to handle it and design ways to protect and maintain health for their patients

The State of New York was the first state to get so many cases that it overwhelmed the hospital and unfortunately the senior living community, got infected and died, because older people are more vulnerable.

They shutdown the state, and since then the infection rates stabilized and eventually declined.

But then the President, in order to get reelected, he encouraged governors in red states to open up the economy, including bars and restaurants, which led to an increase in inflation and deaths

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

On Sunday morning

In an interview on "Meet the Press," Giroir, the assistant secretary of health and human services for health, did not specifically mention the president, but he it made clear that the scientific consensus is that the drug does not help treat the disease.


"Most physicians and prescribers are evidence-based, and they're not influenced by whatever is on Twitter or anything else. And the evidence just does not show hydroxychloroquine is effective right now," he said.

"We need to move on from that and talk about what is effective," he added, pointing to public hygiene measures like hand-washing and mask-wearing, as well as treatments like the drug remdesivir and steroids.

"At this point in time, there has been five randomized controlled, placebo-controlled trials that do not show any benefit to hydroxychloroquine. So, at this point in time, we don't recommend that as a treatment."

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

1:14
Where is the "along with part," f'n genius?

Still waiting for Ch to supply us with that important, ESSENTIAL part of his argument.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scott A**hole you need to watch this

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/opinion/2020-election-prediction-allan-lichtman.html

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

His comment on masks and Social distancing was totally false

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/510687-pelosi-trump-speech-plan-latest-effort-to-degrade-the-white-house

Anonymous said...



Blogger Roger Amick said...

Scott A**hole you need to watch this



you seem to be furiously trying to convince us of something alky.

or are you trying to convince yourself?

by the way, i've found no evidence that lichtman accurately called Trump's general election victory. i did see however that he did successfully predict Trump's GOP primary and nomination victory.

and as usual, i don't expect the NYT to tell the truth on anything, ever.

when i want to read material from the DNC steno pool i go directly to the DNC.


Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

The best responses to Covid have not been the countries in Ch's chart.

They are:

Taiwan
Singapore
S. Korea
New Zealand
Australia
Canada

with honorable mention going to
Germany
Iceland
U.A.E.
Greece
Argentina

https://time.com/5851633/best-global-responses-covid-19/

Commonsense said...

Germany is going through a second wave.

Anonymous said...

Roger you said 17,280 die in the US daily.
Now this "
Roger AmickAugust 5, 2020 at 12:50 PM

We lose about 2,000 people per day and Canada loses 35"

Are you sure , because you also said it was ?920? per day.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scott, people like you cause this situation

“Getting death threats for me, and my family, and harassing my daughters, to the point where I have to get security is just — I mean, it’s amazing,” top infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said in a new interview revealing threats over his comments on coronavirus. “There is a degree of anti-science feeling in this country, and I think it is not just related to science. It's almost related to authority and a mistrust in authority that spills over."

Anonymous said...




btw, asking a black reporter if he's a junkie is just not a good look.

Anonymous said...

Roger
"the average daily death toll due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) in the U.S. was around 932"

Anonymous said...

Roger AmickAugust 5, 2020 at 12:50 PM

We lose about 2,000 people per day.."

Commonsense said...

At this point in time, there has been five randomized controlled, placebo-controlled trials

Like I explained at the top of the thread, they weren't really random. They involved young adults with no medical complications. These studies don't tell us shit.

Anonymous said...

Hi James.
Who is Leaving the USSC prior to the Election?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He's predicting correctly every election since Reagan

Anonymous said...




context -

phony fauci told XiNN he received death threats.

LOL.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Was Germany's initial success due to the use of hydroxychloroquine?

No.

Commonsense said...

“Getting death threats for me, and my family, and harassing my daughters, to the point where I have to get security is just — I mean, it’s amazing,” top infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said in a new interview revealing threats over his comments on coronavirus. “There is a degree of anti-science feeling in this country, and I think it is not just related to science. It's almost related to authority and a mistrust in authority that spills over."

Every famous person get's his/her share of death threats from nuts (believe me it's nothing like what Trump and his family gets). He could have stayed in the background and do his job of advising the president. He chose the limelight and he enjoyed it up to now.

Bottom line if you want fame and celebrity don't bitch when you attract the inevitable nuts.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

I guess Birx is also a phony now that she has displeased Trump with her honesty.

C.H. Truth said...

Every single, non partisan experts say that masks and social distancing is very effective in reducing the risk of infection by the COVID-45 virus


Well first of all... there is no such thing as "non partisan experts" anymore, Roger. Even suggesting as much is "dumb".

Secondly, there are already studies and statistical analysis being gathered and studied that are showing that the impact of the virus is almost entirely controlled by the density of the population and factors beyond the control of shut downs, lock downs, etc...


Already... with the simple data we have... we can already point to many states and many countries that did not lock down that have done much better than other states and other countries that did.


eg: There isn't a reasonable explanation as to why Michigan (which locked everything down tight as a drum) has nearly double the amount of deaths as Ohio (that did not lock everything down) and they are right next to each other with almost identical demographic and geographic breakdowns.

Montana (which locked everything down) is now the biggest problem in that area while Wyoming and others are not struggling nearly as much.


Some people are now prone to believe that when everything is said and done and we go through second (or even third) waves, that places like Sweden will appear justified that their 5800 deaths was very acceptable in comparison to everyone else who destroyed their economies in the process of only performing marginally better.

Commonsense said...

There's this:

Doctors Rate Hydroxychloroquine Most Effective Therapy for Coronavirus Infection

A global survey found that anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine was the most highly-rated treatment against the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

This new survey completed by Sermo on March 27, 2020, reported 6,227 physicians in 30 countries found that 37 percent of those treating COVID-19 patients rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” from a list of 15 options.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Experts in Sweden have been saying that others should not do what they did because their number of deaths were unnecessarily higher than those in other Scandinavian countries.

C.H. Truth said...

What do doctors know about Covid Commonsense?

they are not Democrats or the US media.

Democrats and the US Media are the "true" experts we should be following.

C.H. Truth said...

Still waiting for the Reverend to explain all of the wonderful things that Obama implemented to slow the spread of the 60 million swine flu cases he "led us through".

So far he has a long list of....

zero!

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

He's predicting correctly every election since Reagan



sure he has alky.

sure he has.

C.H. Truth said...

Experts in Sweden wish they would have done more to protect the elderly and those with preexisting conditions. Every poll taken in Sweden has shown overwhelming approval for how their government handled things.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The density of the population in Wyoming and Montana is much lower than California or For where the infection are not great

Anonymous said...



This new survey completed by Sermo on March 27, 2020, reported 6,227 physicians in 30 countries


physicians?!?!

PHYSICIANS?!?!

we need bureaucrats for God's sake!

not physicians!

i need government hacks, not doctors!

jfc...



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Giroir, the assistant secretary of health and human services for health, did not specifically mention the president, but he it made clear that the scientific consensus is that the drug does not help treat the disease.


"Most physicians and prescribers are evidence-based, and they're not influenced by whatever is on Twitter or anything else. And the evidence just does not show hydroxychloroquine is effective right now," he said.

"We need to move on from that and talk about what is effective," he added, pointing to public hygiene measures like hand-washing and mask-wearing, as well as treatments like the drug remdesivir and steroids.

He's an MD

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

1:57
Commensa's article listed:

75% in Spain, 53% in Italy, 44% in China, 43% in Brazil, 29% in France, 23% in the US and 13% in the UK.

Some of the worst records of dealing with Covid belongs to some of those nations. None of them are listed among those who dealt with it better.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He provided the results

cowardly king obama said...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-helped-coronavirus-patients-survive-better/ar-BB16hifu

Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug. The team looked back at everyone treated in the hospital system since the first patient in March.

but not a double blind placebo controlled study...

50% reduction in deaths for every Covid patient treated is pretty compelling anecdotally no matter what your politics.

Or should be.

and btw S Korea also is a HCQ early user, not sure of others. India has it over the counter as may others on the list so hard to tell if it was used.

Anonymous said...



Experts in Sweden wish they would have done more to protect the elderly and those with preexisting conditions.


which has been the worldwide common denominator. deaths are highest in these categories. the rest of us have virtually nothing to worry about. and the fear mongering is almost exclusively due to that horrible, no good, very bad orange man.



C.H. Truth said...

what does New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Louisianan, DC, Michigan, Illinois, Delaware, Maryland, and Pennsylvania all have in common?

Despite having some of the most aggressive lock down stances and all but two having Democratic Governors...


They all have a higher death rate than Sweden.


and I suspect that before all is said and done, that at least a few more states might end up with a higher death rate as well... considering their entire country had 331 and 1 death yesterday (only a few American states had fewer).

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

Giroir, the assistant secretary of health and human services for health, did not specifically mention the president, but he it made clear that the scientific consensus is that the drug does not help treat the disease.



post it a million times alky, alky and i'll reject it a million times.

only a moron listens to an MD he does not know vs. one that he or she has been seeing for years, perhaps DECADES.

you see alky, there are those among us who do not require someone from the government to wipe our ass each fucking day.

i'm sure the admiral is a good guy. i'm sure he's a decent doc, but i'm positive i dismiss his advice 100% of the time in favor of my own doc.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

CH SAYS:
Still waiting for the Reverend to explain all of the wonderful things that Obama implemented to slow the spread of the 60 million swine flu cases he "led us through".
So far he has a long list of....
zero!

JAMES SAYS:
Here's a short list, Ch.
Utilizing standard procedures for pandemics, Obama kept the number of fatalities at only 12,469 deaths during the entire year of the swine flu pandemic.

Compare that to Trump's 155K+ deaths for a very few months.



________
BTW, did I use the words "led us through"?

cowardly king obama said...

Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson

Hey, did anybody notice that coronavirus positive tests have fallen 60% in Florida in the last two weeks? Or that hospitalizations are now about 20% down from peak?

No?

No worries, the media will get right on that.


they'll be screaming about something else.

It's really about trying to get Trump

Myballs said...

Sally Yates claims ignorance, throws comey under the bus in Senate hearing.

Caliphate4vr said...

Obama kept the number of fatalities at only 12,469 deaths during the entire year

Hey stupid you said that was obunghole’s total for 8 years

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

It was, according to those who regard the swine flu pandemic as lasting one season.

cowardly king obama said...


How many would Obama have killed with 60 million H1N1 infections if H1N1 had the same fatality rate as Covid-19 ???

Utilizing standard procedures

Or do you think Dr. Obama controlled the fatality rate of the virus ???

Should Trump have followed his Obama's lead utilizing standard procedures and stopped testing ???

ROFLMFAO !!!

cowardly king obama said...

* Should Trump have followed Obama's lead utilizing standard procedures and stopped testing ???

Caliphate4vr said...


Blogger James said...
It was, according to those who regard the swine flu pandemic as lasting one season


Yet your post, that you posted repeatedly never mentioned swine flu, until we busted your lying sniveling ass

I predicted you would be lying and you continue

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Delusional Donald


WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. officials said Wednesday there is no indication the massive explosion in Lebanon that killed at least 100 people was an attack, contradicting President Donald Trump who said American generals told him it was likely caused by a bomb.

The officials, speaking only on condition of anonymity to discuss internal assessments, said that while it was not out of the realm of possibility that the blast was deliberately caused, the belief so far was that it was most likely an accident.

From the outset, U.S. officials have said that they did not know the cause of the initial fire and explosions that set off the larger blast. But they say they do believe the reports out of Lebanon claiming a large stockpile of ammonium nitrate left over from a seizure is what exploded.

On Tuesday, Trump said, “It looks like a terrible attack."

Trump was asked why he called it an attack and not an accident, especially since Lebanese officials said they had not determined the cause of the explosion. He told reporters at the White House: “It would seem like it based on the explosion. I met with some of our great generals and they just seem to feel that it was. This was not a — some kind of a manufacturing explosion type of a event. ... They seem to think it was an attack. It was a bomb of some kind, yes.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Obama administration did not defund standard testing.

C.H. Truth said...

Utilizing standard procedures for pandemics

Such as...


I would like a list of things that Obama did?

After all 60 fucking million Americans caught the disease

60 million

that is a six with seven zeroes behind it?

Oh and 375,000 people were hospitalized?


Did he order masks to be worn?
Did he ask people to social distance?
Did he tell Americans to stay home?
Did he suggest that non-essential businesses close?


A "flu" Pandemic is different from a Covid pandemic, since Covid is pretty much you get almost no symptoms or you are hospitalized with a good chance of death. Covid is something you mitigate to prevent death.

Swine Flu is something you mitigate to stop the spread from hitting 60 million Americans.



So what made Obama such a big hero in your eyes Reverend?


If 60 million Americans caught the flu while Trump was President and he did virtually nothing (but tell schools that they couldn't close) - you would want his head on a stick!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

She said that if the Obama administration had never told Comey to investigate the Trump campaign!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You believe that the pandemic is a Democrat hoax

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump was warned by both Fauci and Birx that the Covid infection could lead to MASSIVE numbers of DEATHS if more was not done.

Even then he continually dragged his feet on doing more and downplayed the pandemic's severity.

Live with it.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

AT LAST TRUMP IS BRINGING US TOGETHER!

McConnell Admits He’ll Need Democrats for Relief Bill
August 5, 2020 at 11:07 am EDT By Taegan Goddard

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell conceded that he will lack Republican support to pass further coronavirus aid and instead will rely on Democrats to fashion a deal with the White House, NBC News reports.

Said McConnell:
“If you’re looking for total consensus among Republican senators, you’re not going to find it. We do have division about what to do.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump said today on Fox news "It's going away!"

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Lawsuit Aims to Block Mask Mandate at Polling Places
August 5, 2020 at 12:39 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard

A group of voters backed by Republican legislators sued Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) “and other state and local officials Tuesday in federal court, aiming to block a face mask requirement at polling places,” the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Fauci Says U.S. Has Worst Virus Outbreak
August 5, 2020 at 3:09 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard

Dr. Anthony Fauci agreed that the United States has the worst coronavirus outbreak in the world, CNBC reports.

Said Fauci: “Yeah, it is quantitatively if you look at it, it is. I mean the numbers don’t lie.”

He added: “Every country has suffered. We, the United States, has suffered … as much or worse than anyone. I mean when you look at the number of infections and the number of deaths, it really is quite concerning.”

KILL THAT MAN! HE'S PURPOSEFULLY DISAGREEING WITH OUR TRUTH TELLING PRESIDENT!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

America has 5% of the population in the world yet a quarter of our population has been infected by a virus!

Myballs said...

News media having orgasms over Allan lichtman predicting Biden win in 2020. They conveniently forget that lichtman wrote a book about impeaching Trump as far back as 2017. Of course he will say Trump is gonna lose.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Biden Heavily Favored to Win
August 5, 2020 at 2:56 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard

With 90 days until the election, The Economist forecast currently gives Joe Biden a 97% chance to win the popular vote and an 88% chance to win the electoral vote.



U.S. Hiring Slowed Dramatically
August 5, 2020 at 2:30 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard

“U.S. businesses slowed their hiring dramatically in July, adding only 167,000 new workers to their private payrolls — a steep drop from analysts’ expectations that could add new urgency to stalled congressional talks over another round of federal coronavirus relief,” the Washington Post reports.

“The numbers reported mark a significant departure from the roughly 1 million jobs that some economists had predicted and a sharp falloff from hiring gains reported just a month prior, with virtually no sector of the U.S. economy untouched by the new slowdown.”

KDEM WEEPS.



‘Is That Even Legal?’
August 5, 2020 at 2:08 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard

Sen. John Thune (R-SD) was skeptical President Trump could give his Republican convention acceptance speech at the White House, Politico reports.

Said Thune: “Is that even legal? I assume that’s not something that you could do. I assume there’s some Hatch Act issues or something. I don’t know the answer to that but I haven’t, and I haven’t heard him say that. But I think anything you do on federal property would seem to be problematic.”
10,000.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Today, Wednesday, marks 90 days before the presidential election, a date in the calendar that is supposed to be of special note to the Justice Department. That’s because of two department guidelines, one a written policy that no action be influenced in any way by politics. Another, unwritten norm urges officials to defer publicly charging or taking any other overt investigative steps or disclosures that could affect a coming election.

Attorney General William Barr appears poised to trample on both. At least two developing investigations could be fodder for pre-election political machinations. The first is an apparently sprawling investigation by John Durham, the U.S. attorney in Connecticut, that began as an examination of the origins of the F.B.I. investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. The other, led by John Bash, the U.S. attorney for the Western District of Texas, is about the so-called unmasking of Trump associates by Obama administration officials. Mr. Barr personally unleashed both investigations and handpicked the attorneys to run them.

But Justice Department employees, in meeting their ethical and legal obligations, should be well advised not to participate in any such effort.

The genesis of the department’s admirable practice of creating a protective shell surrounding an election recognizes that unelected officials at the Justice Department should not take action that could distort an election and influence the electorate. If someone is charged immediately before an election, for instance, that person has no time to offer a defense to counter the charges. The closer the election, the greater the risk that the department is impermissibly acting based on political considerations, which is always prohibited.

He's weaponizing the Department of Justice to influence the election

https://nyti.ms/2PnlKpP

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It is not mere conjecture that Mr. Barr could weaponize these investigations for political purposes. In both cases, he has already run roughshod over another related longstanding department practice. It holds that department officials should refrain from making public allegations of wrongdoing before prosecutors decide to bring charges, particularly since no charges may emanate from the investigation.

Mr. Barr and President Trump have shown no compunction in publicly discussing these investigations, suggesting wrongdoing by Democrats and deep staters. Mr. Barr promised on Fox News that “there will be public disclosure in some form” in the Durham probe. It should be no surprise that Mr. Barr has followed the lead of his boss; after all, Mr. Trump urged Ukraine to announce an investigation into Mr. Biden, an action that was at the center of his impeachment.

Not so long ago, Mr. Barr and Mr. Trump denounced Jim Comey’s negative public commentary in the 2016 election on Hillary Clinton. Indeed, the president claimed that Mr. Comey’s violation of these bedrock policies contributed to his being fired. During his nomination hearing, Mr. Barr told a Senate committee that he would adhere to these policies.

“If you are not going to indict someone, then you do not stand up there and unload negative information about the person,” he testified. “That is not the way the Department of Justice does business.” He also “completely” agreed with Rod Rosenstein when Mr. Rosenstein wrote in a memo that Mr. Comey’s transgressions during an election season were “a textbook example of what federal prosecutors and agents are taught not to do.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Indeed, in his nomination testimony, Mr. Barr captured the risk of an attorney general acting for political purposes. Members of the incumbent party, he said, “have their hands on the levers of the law enforcement apparatus of the country, and you do not want it used against the opposing political party.”

He was correct then and is wrong now.

Nevertheless, Mr. Barr may claim that an extraordinary public justification exists for releasing a report, citing the Mueller report as precedent. But there is a very clear difference: The Mueller report was not issued in the run-up to any election.

Mr. Barr has another move to try to justify his actions. He recently told a conservative radio host that the policy on interference with an election applies only to indictments of “candidates or perhaps someone that’s sufficiently close to a candidate, that it’s essentially the same.”

That’s an invention. The policy itself refers to actions that give “an advantage or disadvantage to any candidate or political party.”

Mr. Barr himself recognizes the political effect of department actions beyond those against a candidate. In February, in response to the Justice Department inspector general’s recommendation for a clear policy to open or take actions in significant political investigations, Mr. Barr issued a directive that centralized his control over such investigations. The new Barr requirements covered investigations that “may have unintended effects on our elections” and notably included candidates, senior campaign staff members, advisers, members of official campaign advisory committees or groups, and foreign-national donors.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Take an example from the Mueller investigation. The special counsel’s office knew it could not indict Russian military intelligence officials for the 2016 hacking operation in the run-up to the 2018 midterm elections. That’s right: The office could not indict the Russians — not only political candidates or aides. Such matters were so politically fraught that such an action by the special counsel might affect the election.

A key consideration should not be lost: There’s no urgency for the department to take any overt investigative steps or make disclosures until after the election. Even if there has been criminal wrongdoing — which is by no means clear — charges can still be brought in November after the election.

What can be done if Mr. Barr seeks to take actions in service of the president’s political ambitions? There are a variety of ways for Justice Department employees in the Trump era to deal with improper requests. Employees who witness or are asked to participate in such political actions — who all swore an oath to the Constitution and must obey department policies — can refuse, report and, if necessary, resign. Other models include speaking with Congress under subpoena or resigning and then communicating directly to the public. Reputable organizations are at the ready to advise whistle-blowers about the risks and benefits of pursuing these paths.

Above all, with the election around the corner, it’s critical to ensure its integrity and that the Justice Department steer clear of political interference.

Ryan Goodman is co-editor in chief of Just Security. Andrew Weissmann was a senior member of the Special Counsel’s Office and is the author of the forthcoming book “Where Law Ends: Inside the Mueller Investigation.” They are professors at N.Y.U. School of Law.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Larry Sabato reports that seven states
(Alaska, Indiana, Kansas, Missouri, Montana, South Carolina, Utah) have moved from the Safe Republican to the Likely Republican category.

Wow. Then it must be looking even worse for some of the other Likely and Leaning Republican states.

Anonymous said...

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. officials said Wednesday there is no indication the massive explosion in Lebanon that killed at least 100 people was an attack, contradicting President Donald Trump who said American generals told him it was likely caused by a bomb.

The officials, speaking only on condition of anonymity to discuss internal assessments


no one in the MSM uses named and identified sources anymore.

yet they demand to be believed.

LOL.

btw alky, there is speculation that the israelis bombed the fucker since hamas, hezbollah, and iran have been collaborating, and israel is clear on the fact that if biden gets elected they're back to being a most hated nation like they were with 0linsky.


Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Lichtman PREDICTED Trump would both win AND be impeached and he was right about both.

Anonymous said...




alky,

sharing an op/ed fraught with lies by that scumbag andrew weissman is hilarious.

LOL.

good one, alky.

Anonymous said...

Blogger James said...

Lichtman PREDICTED Trump would both win AND be impeached and he was right about both.


lichtman predicted trump would win the GOP NOMINATION.

there's no evidence he predicted a Trump presidential victory.

Caliphate4vr said...

btw alky, there is speculation that the israelis bombed the fucker since hamas, hezbollah, and iran have been collaborating, and israel is clear on the fact that if biden gets elected they're back to being a most hated nation like they were with 0linsky.

look at site 1 from Bibi’s UN speech in 2018

Caliphate4vr said...

https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/PressRoom/2018/Photos2018/Beirutmap.jpg

Better pic

Anonymous said...

Take an example from the Mueller investigation. The special counsel’s office knew it could not indict Russian military intelligence officials for the 2016 hacking operation in the run-up to the 2018 midterm elections. That’s right: The office could not indict the Russians — not only political candidates or aides. Such matters were so politically fraught that such an action by the special counsel might affect the election.

complete and utter bullshit.

if it was such a big deal "so politically fraught that such an action by the special counsel might affect the election," then rosenstein wouldn't have held a press conference and made such a big deal out of the indictments.

the honest answer is that were they serious, the indictments would've been secret and sealed, and team mueller could've ambushed these guys as they re-entered the country. by making it a big deal it scared them off and guaranteed they'd never return to the US.

weissman is a shitstain and a liar. a perfect fit for MSDNC.


and the alky is in such serious cognitive decline he peddles this bullshit without even vetting it.


Myballs said...

We all predicted Trump would be impeached by Pelosi and gang. Reason made no difference.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UuhPNzkF73M

20% of the mail, is delivered on overtime hours. The Postman General has said that no overtime is allowed.

Mail that was not delivered, will be sent the next day, or in other circumstances it might never be delivered.

This will make voting by mail, much slower and potentially, make it impossible to get an accurate count.

It could also make medications arrive late or maybe never.

The Postmaster General has no evidence in this case, but because he has donated money to the RNC and the Donald Trump campaign.

This administration is the most corrupt in the history of the United States.

Vote blue Wave tsunami to save our country!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Yes he did!

Caliphate4vr said...

The Postmaster General has no evidence in this case, but because he has donated money to the RNC and the Donald Trump campaign.

Random gibberish

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Postmaster General has no experience in this case, but because he has donated money to the RNC and the Donald Trump campaign.

Anonymous said...



look at site 1 from Bibi’s UN speech in 2018


there you go. Bibi knows just how fucked israel will be if the drooling retard wins.

Caliphate4vr said...

It still makes absolutely no sense, you doddering old fool

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

experience

I already correct it

All you have in response is to insut the guy that kicked your ass

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

This is gibberish

weissman is a shitstain and a liar. a perfect fit for MSDNC.

Caliphate4vr said...

there you go. Bibi knows just how fucked israel will be if the drooling retard wins.

That’s what went up yesterday, I’m not saying it’s Israel or Inshallah storage. But it’s Israel

Anonymous said...

From Lil schitty's biased bullshit article from RCP written by hack Steve Hatfill the guy accused of the anthrax attack on the US,,,

To a media unrelentingly hostile to Donald Trump, this meant that the president could be portrayed as recklessly promoting the use of a “dangerous” drug. Ignoring the refutation of the VA study in its May 15 article, the Washington Post cited a Brazil study published on April 24 in which a COVID trial using chloroquine (a related but different drug than hydroxychloroquine) was stopped because 11 patients treated with it died. The reporters never mentioned another problem with that study: The Brazilian doctors were giving their patients lethal cumulative doses of the drug.

Caliphate4vr said...

Insut huh

Yeah you kicked my ass, you fucking geriatric

Anonymous said...



Roger Amick said...

The Postmaster General has no experience in this case, but because he has donated money to the RNC and the Donald Trump campaign.



yup.

and the postal workers union has officially endorsed drooling retard biden.

so why would any sane person trust a USPS union hack to NOT stuff the fucking ballots for sundowner joe?


LOL.


Anonymous said...



20% of the mail, is delivered on overtime hours. The Postman General has said that no overtime is allowed.

you idiot.

amazon has contracted the USPS to do some of their deliveries. even on sundays, because i just received some boat parts that way.

shut up alky. you don't have the first fucking clue as to what you're talking about.


Anonymous said...

Trumps' latest virus plan.....IT"S GOING TO GO AWAY!!!!!!!! Sad you dumb fucks accept the unreasonable tenet!!!!


Yep big mouth of the south,,,,,your ass was kicked into next week!!!! I am sure that Israel will agree with you that they blew up Beirut! BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

One death every 80 seconds: The grim new toll of COVID-19 in America
“It will go away like things go away," President Trump claimed. Joe Biden says Trump is living in a world of delusion.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You love the Police Union but any other Union is corrupt

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-death-every-80-seconds-grim-new-toll-covid-19-n1235890

Caliphate4vr said...

Roger Amick said...
We are losing one life every 5 seconds to the COVID-45 virus


One death every 80 seconds: The grim new toll of COVID-19 in America

Which is it you babbling old fool? You’ve claimed both today thrown in a count of 2000 per day as well.

Eat your meds and go to sleep cray cray

Anonymous said...

Cali, a direct laser guided hit on Alky.

Anonymous said...

Hey goat fucker.....another wet dream in your hand,,,,,,,,BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Pure gibberish out of the mouth of the south who thinks covid is not a dangerous virus because it alone kills so few!!!!

Anonymous said...

Wonder what the national test plan is for covid????? How about the tracing plan???? I'm sure the goat fucker knows those plans as well as his tax codes......BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"insut" Joe Amick

Anonymous said...

The fact you got the answer wrong Denise, even after looking it up is on you.
OH, It is not my tax code.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Thanks to a marked shift among Republican voters since the start of the coronavirus pandemic, just 13 percent of Americans surveyed now say they are satisfied with “the way things are going in the United States.”

A poll by Gallup released Wednesday shows that the percentage of Republicans who say they are “satisfied” with the direction the country is heading has fallen by 60 points since February, when the coronavirus pandemic began spreading rapidly across the U.S.

“The plunge in the U.S. mood, both in the past month and since February, is mostly occurring among Republicans. Republicans’ satisfaction today (20%) is about half what it was a month ago (39%) and down 60 points since February, after the Senate acquitted President Donald Trump in his impeachment trial. The current figure is easily the lowest for Republicans during the Trump administration, with their prior low being 38% in October 2017,” Gallup said on its website.


Just 7 percent of Democrats say they are satisfied with how things are going in the country, while 12 percent of independents agree with that assessment.

Anonymous said...

Yates identified , when Obama/Biden knew.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316736/satisfaction-lowest-nine-years.aspx

Anonymous said...

Explains why your team is "fry pigs like bacon"

Be proud Roger.

Caliphate4vr said...

How about the tracing plan????

Hey fatty it’s on your phone...well maybe not yours, pederast or the liver’s clamshell phone, but that because you’re so fucking old you don’t understand tech

One of the most effective techniques that public health officials have used during outbreaks is called contact tracing. Through this approach, public health officials contact, test, treat and advise people who may have been exposed to an affected person. One new element of contact tracing is Exposure Notifications: using privacy-preserving digital technology to tell someone they may have been exposed to the virus. Exposure Notification has the specific goal of rapid notification, which is especially important to slowing the spread of the disease with a virus that can be spread asymptomatically.
To help, Apple and Google cooperated to build Exposure Notifications technology that will enable apps created by public health agencies to work more accurately, reliably and effectively across both Android phones and iPhones. Over the last several weeks, our two companies have worked together, reaching out to public health officials, scientists, privacy groups and government leaders all over the world to get their input and guidance.
Starting today, our Exposure Notifications technology is available to public health agencies on both iOS and Android. What we’ve built is not an app—rather public health agencies will incorporate the API into their own apps that people install. Our technology is designed to make these apps work better. Each user gets to decide whether or not to opt-in to Exposure Notifications; the system does not collect or use location from the device; and if a person is diagnosed with COVID-19, it is up to them whether or not to report that in the public health app. User adoption is key to success and we believe that these strong privacy protections are also the best way to encourage use of these apps.
Today, this technology is in the hands of public health agencies across the world who will take the lead and we will continue to support their efforts.

Anonymous said...

"Unexpected"

😊The numbers: Retailers, health-care providers and most other service-oriented businesses expanded in July for the second month in a row, suggesting the economy showed more resilience than expected even after a spike in coronavirus cases caused many states to reimpose restrictions.

The Institute for Supply Management’s index of nonmanufacturing companies edged up to 58.1% last month from 57.1% in June. That topped the 55% forecast of economists polled by MarketWatch.😊

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

RancidRatBastard:

"lichtman predicted trump would win the GOP NOMINATION.
there's no evidence he predicted a Trump presidential victory."
________

LICHTMAN:
"... my prediction that this president would be impeached ... I actually made at the same time I predicted his election, in September of 2016. So I simultaneously predicted his victory and his impeachment. And believe it or not, after the election, I did get this note on the Washington Post interview where I predicted Trump’s election. It said, “Congrats, Professor—Good Call.” And in big sharpie letters was the name Donald J. Trump."
--Professor Allan Lichtman

Evidence from your hero Donald himself, rancid rat.

Anonymous said...

AT&T notified me 3 weeks ago that the "tracking" app had been auto install.

Caliphate4vr said...

lichtman predicted trump would win the GOP NOMINATION.
there's no evidence he predicted a Trump presidential victory."


Pedo there’s no evidence that Obunghole was only responsible 12,469 deaths from the flu over 8 years as you repeatedly claimed

Caliphate4vr said...

Blogger KansasDemocrat said...
AT&T notified me 3 weeks ago that the "tracking" app had been auto install.

August 5, 2020 at 4:47 PM


It requires a “smart phone” and that’s beyond fatty’s capabilities. The main word being Smart

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He's sending millions to Arizona voters

Anonymous said...

Biden has a plan to stop this.
"The numbers: Retailers, health-care providers and most other service-oriented businesses expanded in July for the second month in a row, suggesting the economy showed more resilience than expected even after a spike in coronavirus cases caused many states to reimpose restrictions.

The Institute for Supply Management’s index of nonmanufacturing companies edged up to 58.1% last month from 57.1% in June. That topped the 55% forecast of economists polled by MarketWatch."

Anonymous said...

It requires a “smart phone” and that’s beyond fatty’s capabilities


The mouth of the south blows it out his ass again,,,,,,,BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Don't need a phone or its expense,,,,,I don't text or use twitter like all you assholes,,,,,,I don't want to be followed like you are.....LOLOLOLOL!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Yawn no Obamagate bullshit.


Former deputy attorney general Sally Yates told lawmakers Wednesday that neither President Barack Obama nor Vice President Joe Biden attempted to influence the FBI’s investigation of incoming national security adviser Michael Flynn during a January 2016 Oval Office meeting with top national security officials.

“During the meeting, the president, the vice president, the national security adviser did not attempt to any way to direct or influence any investigation,” Yates said during sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Advertisement


The testimony counters repeated insinuations by President Donald Trump and his top allies that Obama and Biden took a leading role in steering an investigation into the incoming administration, a charge that Trump has used to claim he was the victim of an unspecified crime he has dubbed “Obamagate.”

Trump has provided no evidence to support the claim, and Yates said under oath that Obama’s only interest in Flynn was to ensure that it was safe to share sensitive national security information with the incoming administration while the FBI was probing concerns that Flynn was attempting to undermine sanctions leveled by Obama in response to Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.

“General Flynn had essentially neutered the U.S. government’s message of deterrence,” Yates said.

Flynn pleaded guilty in 2017 to lying to the FBI about those efforts, which he made during a series of phone calls, weeks before Trump’s inauguration, with Russia’s then-U.S. ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Transcripts of those calls show that Flynn urged Russia not to escalate in response to the Obama administration sanctions, and that Kislyak later told him Vladimir Putin refrained from retaliation because of his request.

Politico

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/05/sally-yates-obama-biden-flynn-investigation-391817

Anonymous said...

ghole was only responsible 12,469 deaths


ONLY ASSHOLE????? That number is the estimate for the flu epidemic he did nothing about.....while 155k killed by trump is just fine with you, and is what it is!!!!!,,,,,god you are a stupid fuck!!!!!!

Caliphate4vr said...

,,I don't want to be followed like you are.

Paranoid much fatman?? LMAO You’re life isn’t that special all they have to do is scope out buffets within a short radius of wherever you waddle. My wife does internet advertising she can set a geofence up in a 10 meters of you. You lying dumbass

but I do note you defended Obunghole concerning the H1N1 vaccine, yet proudly state you’ll avoid tracing steps. Hypocritical lying fat fuck

Sorry I busted your fatass yet again

Anonymous said...

Wrong Roger , Wrong Again.
"the (Oregon) State Police declared a riot, which included gunfire, a stabbing, and setting the Portland Police Association building on fire.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

If you wonder why Bill Barr is whoring himself to serve Trump, this may be his prime motive. His net worth is about $20 million, but his law firm represents Alfa Bank, a Russian criminal cartel controlled bank. The head of Alfa is Mikahil Fridman, who has ties to Manafort, and others..Alfa Bank was furious about the Steele Dossier, which exposed their many ties to the Putin cartel. Barr also personally received dividends from Vector Group. Which means he held stock in that criminally compromised company. The Vector Group is a huge holding firm with big investments in New York real estate. Barr's firm also represented a giant holding company, the Ligget Group. (Formely the big tobacco holding operation of LIgget-Myers) The Vector Group was heavily invested in the New York real estate market and through that, the Trump Organization where a lot of Russian kleptocrats laundered their money. The president of Vector Group, Howard Lorber, introduced Trump to the Moscow real estate market in the 1990s. Why the #%@* weren't these Alfa Bank connections investigated during Barr's confirmation process?
--Vicki Sussman

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://boards.fool.com/bill-barr-34189184.aspx?sort=whole

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The truth about the Mail vote rrb is wrong


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/how-do-you-know-voting-mail-works-u-s-military-n1186926?fbclid=IwAR32gz0N6eJxTLojKGptqG4TNWBoucqD-TC7QN-I0yYbO3ElW3IuMYDc31c

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Fact check:
Did the Obama administration ignore swine flu?

“Take a look at the swine flu. It was a disaster, 17,000 people died, the other administration ... it’s like they didn’t even know it was here.”
--President Donald Trump said this during a press briefing.

Fact check:
Swine flu killed an estimated 12,469 people in the U.S. during the Obama administration. The first case was detected on April 15, 2009. Within two weeks, according to archived CDC records, the federal government had declared a public health emergency, begun work on a vaccine, started releasing PPE from the federal stockpile and purchasing antivirals, and had rolled out a test.
__________

Cali, do feel free to show us how Trump got the 17,000 deaths number for Obama's swine flu response, assuming he was not lying. Also feel free to tell us exactly how many total swine flu deaths or other flu deaths you find for the entire eight years of Obama's administration.

I do not mind being corrected.

Then we can add it all up and see how total swine flu deaths or other flu deaths under Obama's eight years compare with total covid 19 deaths under Trump's last few months.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

So is hydroxychloroquine a miracle drug, or is it worthless snake oil? Researchers have tried hard to demonstrate its value, but the largest and best-designed trials have repeatedly failed to show benefits. Still, so many studies have been published with such variable results that both sides of the political aisle can claim they have science on their side. And therein lies the problem.

An early trial by the iconoclastic microbiologist Didier Raoult reported astonishing success, but his claims crumpled under closer examination. A major U.S. study also indicated benefits, but it wasn't a randomized controlled trial; critics, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, have highlighted its serious methodological flaws. Other large high-profile trials have failed to find evidence that the drug helps. These findings were conclusive enough that the National Institutes of Health halted a clinical trial and the Food and Drug Administration revoked emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine.

Tragically, another major study reported that hydroxychloroquine actually harms patients, and it led researches to halt trials for safety reasons. The study appears to have been deeply flawed, and it was ultimately retracted amid allegations of serious data irregularities.

Research misconduct is rare, and a mixture of positive and negative results is common in clinical research. Rarely, if ever, does a single study prove conclusively that a treatment works. This is how science works. A new result isn't a decisive final answer; it is a pebble on the scale in favor of one hypothesis or another. But pundits cherry-pick results and mislead their audiences by telling only half the story.

And the phenomenon certainly isn't isolated to studies about coronavirus.

Last winter, shortly before the pandemic began, we finished writing a book, "Calling Bullshit: The Art of Skepticism in a Data-Driven World." In the book, we acknowledge that we inhabit a world of fake news and hyperpartisan reporting but argue that readers can make sense of their information environments with just a bit of training in critical thinking and quantitative reasoning. While BS increasingly appears clad in the trappings of numbers, statistics, data graphics and mathematical models, one doesn't need an advanced degree in science or mathematics to see through it. What one does need is a willingness to change one's mind in the presence of empirical evidence and a commitment to let science rather than partisan politics serve as the arbiter of truth.

Caliphate4vr said...

Pedo are you denying you repeatedly claimed Obunghole held FLU DEATHS FOR 8 YEARS AT 12,469?

Day after day you posted it. I knew you were lying or the stupidest biped on earth

Your choice

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-prevention-how-separate-science-partisanship-ncna1235834

Commonsense said...

So is hydroxychloroquine a miracle drug, or is it worthless snake oil? Researchers have tried hard to demonstrate its value, but the largest and best-designed trials have repeatedly failed to show benefits

The largest best design trial actually did.

Commonsense said...

I'm just wonder how many times Joe Biden can get away with racist, insulting comments to black TV/Radio host. And they are not even "conservative" host. They would nominally be for Biden.

Commonsense said...

Will Democrats accept election loss? New report says no.

Big name, bipartisan anti-Trump group war-games 2020 scenario: What if Trump loses popular vote, wins Electoral College? In other words, what if Trump wins? In run-through, Biden refuses to recognize Trump victory...

In scenario, Biden pushes Democratic governors of states Trump won to overrule results, send Biden electors to Washington. House Democrats refuse to recognize Trump electoral victory.

Then Biden makes outrageous demands in exchange for recognizing Trump victory: DC, Puerto Rico statehood, abolition of Electoral College, divide California into 5 states for more Democratic senators.

Democrats in group explained that election is just too important for Democrats to concede even clear Trump victory. Second Trump term would lead to 'decline into authoritarianism and unbridled nativism.

Therefore, according to group Democrats, Trump victory must be stopped even at cost of defying constitutional order and process. Remember that next time you hear someone alleging Trump will not accept the election results.


This would undoubtedly be treason.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The President removed a bullshit post on Facebook. He actually agreed with Scott A**hole


Facebook took down a post from President Trump's personal page of a Fox News interview in which he said that children are “almost immune” from COVID-19.

"This video includes false claims that a group of people is immune from COVID-19 which is a violation of our policies around harmful COVID misinformation,” Facebook said in a statement.

It was the first time Facebook has removed a post by the president for violating its policies on COVID-19 misinformation.

In the interview with Fox & Friends, which aired Wednesday morning, Trump said that children should return to school because they are “almost immune" or “virtually immune” from the disease.

Doctors say children can catch – and pass on – the coronavirus, which has claimed more than 150,000 lives.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

That's as credible as Breitbart News

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/tech/trump-facebook-misinformation/index.html

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

action is the first time Facebook has removed a Trump post for COVID-19 misinformation and marks a rare instance in which it has been willing to censor the president. In June, Facebook removed ads that the Trump campaign posted which featured a symbol used by Nazis to classify political prisoners during World War II.

Seig Heil Mr. Twitterhitler

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

In First, Facebook Removes Trump Post Over Coronavirus Misinformation
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coronavirus/in-first-facebook-removes-trump-post-over-coronavirus-misinformation/2408636/

Anonymous said...

"China Virus " is "under control".

Ok

Anonymous said...

Commie Cuomo, So this ass🤡 kills they New York Economy and now hat in had begs for Wealth NY'ers to return.🤣

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

What baffles me is that so many of the president's supporters seem okay with this. Trump has famously boasted "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters." Now there's this military corollary: he could allow Afghan militants to shoot American troops in the middle of the Kabul-Nangarhar Highway in Afghanistan and not lose votes from his hard-core base in America.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/510698-the-president-tweets-while-our-troops-are-targeted-in-the-field

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Over 160,000 people are dead.

The GDP dropped over 32% the worst decline since 1947, when we first started to track the number.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It is not that the president has his head in the sand; it is that he has it fixed on his twitter account. Last week, Trump said that he had spoken to Russian President Vladimir Putin but did not bring up the issue of bounties to kill our troops. “That was a phone call to discuss other things, and frankly that’s an issue that many people said was fake news.” The president only embraces “don’t ask, don’t tell” when it applies to Russian attacks on our elections and our troops.

No, it is not fake news. You can legitimately claim that there were dissenting views within your administration as to the “certainty” of the assessments made by, among others, U.S. Special Operations Command, CIA, and the Defense Intelligence Agency. But rather than getting to the bottom of things, you demurred.

In March, when the National Security Council finally met and drafted a menu of options, you were preoccupied with another security issue: “It was reported that Harry and Meghan, who left the Kingdom, would reside permanently in Canada. Now they have left Canada for the U.S. however, the U.S. will not pay for their security protection. They must pay!” Even when news of the bounties became public, around June 26, you were too busy tweeting. The next day, June 27, you were focused like a laser beam on this national urgency: “…Oklahoma speech had the highest Saturday television ratings in @FoxNews history.”