Wednesday, November 11, 2020

Herein lies one of the major issues with elections and election laws...

Wisconsin Election Law

SECTION 78. 6.87 (6d) of the statutes is created to read:
6.87 (6d) If a certificate is missing the address of a witness, the ballot may not be counted.

So what does this actually mean? Seems rather straight forward, if someone sends in a ballot and does not include an address, then that ballot may not be counted. But are there shades of "grey" in this particular law? What happens (for instance) if there is "part" of an address on the envelope, but not a complete address?

Well this is where there is "guidance" provided. In Wisconsin, the Election Commission provided the County Clerks and such with some clarification and some guidance as to how to go about this.
In implementing this requirement, the first question that comes to mind is “What constitutes an address?” The Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC) has set a policy that a complete address contains a street number, street name and name of municipality. But in many cases, at least one component of the address could be missing; usually the municipality.
The purpose of this memorandum is to offer guidance to assist you in addressing this issue. The WEC has determined that clerks must take corrective actions in an attempt to remedy a witness address error. If clerks are reasonably able to discern any missing information from outside sources, clerks are not required to contact the voter before making that correction directly to the absentee certificate envelope.

So what does this mean exactly? If you read it either with the context of the law itself, or very specifically tying the two paragraphs together, it seems to suggest that if there is a partial address on the ballot, that the clerks may take action to "correct" the address "error".  But, what exactly does this all mean?

1. The clerk is able to reasonably discern the missing address or address component by information appearing on the envelope or from some other source, such as:

o    The voter has provided his or her complete address and the clerk has personal knowledge that the witness resides at the same address as the voter.

o    The clerk has personal knowledge of the witness and knows his/or her address.

o    The voter’s complete address appears on the address label, and the witness indicates the same street address as the voter.

o    The clerk is able to utilize lists or databases at his or her disposal to determine the witness’s address. 

So what appears clear is that if there is a missing portion of the address (either the street address or another component) that clerk may use a variety of resources to ascertain that missing information and legally correct the ballot. If, for instance I send back my mail in ballot and have entered my street address of 1234 Main Street, but I fail to put in my City, that an election worker can "correct" that missing city and count the ballot.  I personally have no issues with this sort of guidance. If there is a simple mistake in not "fully" filling out your address, then that probably shouldn't disqualify a ballot (although I understand that some may not agree).

However, it would appear that this particular guidance has been used to take ballots that were completely missing an address all together and use these same resources to completely fill in an address in order to count that ballot. This would suggest that ballots that were technically illegal were being "corrected" by clerks and then counted as legal ballots. This runs completely counter to the law itself and would appear to be out of sync with the guidance (which at least appears to suggest that such corrections are okay if they only see a partial address).

However, it doesn't take much mental gymnastics to start to believe that an entire "missing address" could be considered missing components or a simple "mistake" that could be corrected by looking up the information. The guidances is so vague that it's almost impossible to determine exactly what to do in these situations.

So apparently there are thousands of ballots from the State of Wisconsin with "red" ink that signifies that the clerk had "corrected" ballots. Certainly any ballot that has an entire address filled in with "red ink" should be invalided based on the law.  If the ballot was returned without an address then it is missing the address. That is not a partial address mistake as was supposed to be the point of the guidance, but rather a missing address that is covered very clearly by the law (no address, no vote).  To be clear... the law is the law is the law, and "guidance" from politicians running the election does not override the law. Certainly no murky interpretation of some "guidance" is a substitute for the law.

But some in the GOP are arguing that the entire "guidance" was inconsistent with the election law and that all of these ballots should be disqualified. However, if that was the case the GOP wanted to make, the time to litigate that (in my humble opinion) would have been prior to election day.

But at the end of the day, we should all be able to see how this sort of guidance might cause problems, even if it is meant to solve problems. Ten different people might look at this guidances and see ten different things. The concept that this might not be carried out the same way in different situations is the underlying problem in our elections. While some are attempting to "follow the law", others are attempting to "count more votes", while still others might be stretching and bending guidelines for nefarious partisan reasons. 

The solution seems to be that we need to take politicians out of the election operations business and put it in the hands of people who at least are not so blatantly partisan as the political officials who handle these things. Who is elected in certain states should not determine how the laws are followed, bent, or otherwise ignored. 

113 comments:

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

James Carville:
Go ahead and recount.
Recount everywhere, recount everything.
We'll beat him twice.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump Voters Don’t See Biden as Legitimate
1:30 pm
A new Economist/YouGov poll of those who voted for Donald Trump found 86 percent said Joe Biden hadn’t legitimately won the election.

Asked whether Trump should concede, the numbers were similar: 8-in-10 Trump voters said he shouldn’t.
_________

No surprise: Of those who believed his lies before they voted for him, nearly 90% still believe his lies.

Caliphate4vr said...

And the pederast spams up another thread

C.H. Truth said...

Well Then Reverend...

Just remember that full recounts allow the ability of both Parties to challenge ballots. The GOP could simply "challenge" all of these mail in ballot anomalies (missing addresses, missing signatures, missing time stamps, etc...) and then litigate it all in court.

I think the "question" here is simple.

Many Democrats never saw Trump as a legitimate President and many were "still" unsatisfied after five investigations over three years failed to show any evidence that Trump "conspired" with the Russians to "steal" the election.

Once the allegations of ballot box manipulation was laid to rest, there was never any questions about votes or ballots or counts... but that didn't stop the Democrats from complaining all the way through election day.


So how far is the left willing to go to resolve questions and make it so "everyone" believes that Biden won a legitimate election without any election count shenanigans and with only known legal ballots being counted?

Because for the most part... all I am seeing is a pushback from the same media who told us Biden would win by 10 and that Democrats would win the Senate and expand their lead in the house... telling us that there is no truth to anything alleged by anyone. They literally are taking any explanations provided with blind faith and discounting any questions as conspiracies...

Oh and Twitter is deleting and suspending accounts for bringing up anything regarding ballot fraud.

What a wonderful Nazi Fascist Totalitarian county we live in where "freedom of speech" is only allowed if you follow a certain belief!


Personally I have stated over and over that I don't believe there is a legitimate challenge to be made that will overturn the at least three states that would be needed for Trump to actually get over 269.

But that doesn't mean that I don't believe that much of this should be litigated and that if there are problems that they should be investigated properly and that they should even be prosecuted if laws were broken.


I personally do not see this about this election. But I see what happens now as possibly having it so many more Americans will trust what happens in 2022 and 2024.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Oh and Twitter is deleting and suspending accounts for bringing up anything regarding ballot fraud.

What a wonderful Nazi Fascist Totalitarian county we live in where "freedom of speech" is only allowed if you follow a certain belief!



Twitter is a private company that has the right to decide if a tweet is dangerous or false information.

Your efforts to sew doubt on our most important right to change the direction of the country, by electing the President, are unpatriotic. The founding fathers feared the executive branch for good reasons. By sewing doubt is dangerous to the American dream.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You sound like Sean Hannity when you go back 3 years. Many Democrats never saw Trump as a legitimate President and many were "still" unsatisfied after five investigations  is irrelevant.

The information you quoted on questionable ballots is not valid.

Your post earlier was fucking ridiculous!

You used to be credible, but no more.

Anonymous said...



Twitter is a private company that has the right to decide if a tweet is dangerous or false information.


its ability to censor makes it a publisher, and therefore all section 230 protections should be swept away.

it enjoys it's current status by virtue of liberals never ending desire to have things both ways.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

This would suggest that ballots that were technically illegal were being "corrected" by clerks and then counted as legal ballots. 

Two issues.

1: Observers are present at the tables. Quite often they are the people who verified the address.

2: You didn't provide a specific source of your allegations.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Removing 230 protections would give the government the authority to censor information contrary to their agenda.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The first amendment is not absolute, you can't shout fire in a movie theater


But political speech is absolutely protected.

Removing 230 protections on social media should not be removed.

Anonymous said...



Your efforts to sew doubt on our most important right to change the direction of the country, by electing the President, are unpatriotic.


flatly false and demonstrably so via the founding documents including the Federalist Papers.

a coup against the President is unpatriotic. impeachment of a President for no good reason at all is unpatriotic.

stealing an election through widespread voter fraud is unpatriotic.

in fact, there's nothing associated with the modern left including antifa and BLM that is even remotely patriotic.

and the founders never feared the executive branch alky. they defined the executive and it's mutually equivalent status as the other two branches to maintain a balance of power that served the nation without corrupting it.

in fact, out founders feared little. they put their lives on the line for what we have today. they probably never expected such a serious threat to arise from within, treason by a pack of marxists who seek to destroy all that the founders created.

liberals and democrats are scum alky. traitorous. beneath contempt. in fact, if i stepped on a democrat i'd immediately go step in dog shit to clean the democrat off my shoe.



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Cue rrb alky

Anonymous said...



But political speech is absolutely protected.

Removing 230 protections on social media should not be removed.



explain to us what section 230 has to do with protected political speech alky.

we'll wait.

no plagiarism though.

show your work.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

impeachment of a President is an absolute right. Conviction is the final solution.

stealing an election through widespread voter fraud is unpatriotic. making false accusations are unpatriotic.

Giving the government to prosecute

liberals and democrats are scum alky. traitorous. beneath contempt. 
is unconstitutional.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

re 1:41
rat,
"it's" means "it is" or "it has".
It's good to see you.
It's been a long time since I saw you.

"Its" is possessive.
The cat injured its paw.
The automobile lost its wheel.

You're welcome!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

230 is protecting from civil suits by the supporters of a President or any other politician.

Taking money from people is a form of censorship

Anonymous said...



47 U.S. Code § 230 - Protection for private blocking and screening of offensive material

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230


there you go alky start there.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It doesn't mean that I was wrong.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

If the Democrats repeal 230 and use it to censor Thecoldheartedtruth, I would strongly oppose it

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump May Accept Results But Won’t Concede
3:01 pm
“There is a growing expectation among President Trump’s advisers that he will never concede that he lost re-election, even after votes are certified in battleground states over the coming weeks,” NBC News reports.

Said one aide: “Do not expect him to concede.”

More likely, the aide said: “He’ll say something like, ‘We can’t trust the results, but I’m not contesting them.’”


How Hard is it to Overturn an American Election?
3:00 pm
Benjamin Wittes: “And so it has come to this: the president of the United States is trying to overturn the results of a national election he unambiguously lost with a combination of petulant whining, spiteful and flailing executive action, and magic.

“No, it’s not ultimately going to work, at least not if working is defined as allowing President Trump to maintain power in the face of expressed voter will.

“But it is working better than I would have believed possible: in undermining confidence in American democratic processes, in damaging President-elect Joe Biden’s ability to govern in the short term, and in raising questions in the minds of the faithful as to whether Trump’s defeat was real.”


Wisconsin Republican Admits Probe Won’t Change Election
2:55 pm
“Wisconsin lawmakers plan to issue their first subpoenas in decades as part of an investigation into the Nov. 3 election, even as the top Republican in the Assembly acknowledges the probe is unlikely to change the outcome,” the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports.

“The move comes as supporters of President Trump grapple with a narrow loss in a state they won four years ago by a sliver.

“As in other states, Wisconsin Republicans are alleging voter fraud but so far are not providing evidence of widespread problems that would take away President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.”


Trump’s Schedules Show Little Interest In Work
2:13 pm
“President Trump made his first public appearance in six days Wednesday when he visited Arlington National Cemetery for a somber ceremony commemorating Veterans Day alongside first lady Melania Trump and Vice President Mike Pence. He did not speak at the event,” CNN reports.

“But as he mounts a fierce battle to remain in office and refuses to concede the election he lost, Trump has shown little interest in the work of being President. Since he vowed to fight the election results in the wee hours after Election Day, Trump, who has spent four years producing television moments showcasing his office, has made few efforts to show the American people he is still governing.”


Another White House Official Tests Positive
2:09 pm
“Another person who attended an election night event at the White House has tested positive for the coronavirus,” the New York Times reports.
“The latest person is the White House political director, Brian Jack.”


Trump May Rush Troop Withdrawals
2:07 pm
“President Trump’s newly installed acting Pentagon chief is bringing on a senior adviser in a sign the administration wants to accelerate the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the Middle East before the end of his presidency in January,” Axios reports.

“A senior administration official says a wave of firings at the Pentagon and the hiring of Ret. Army Col. Douglas Macgregor is in part a settling of Trump’s personal scores — but senior White House officials also have made clear ‘they want them more publicly to talk about getting out of Afghanistan by the end of the year.'”

Anonymous said...



Blogger Roger Amick said...

If the Democrats repeal 230 and use it to censor Thecoldheartedtruth, I would strongly oppose it



and it's this statement right here that has convinced me that you know nothing about sec. 230, what it is, what it's for, how it works, the purpose that it serves... and most of all, why it needs to be pulled from the tech giants that enjoy it to stifle dissent, silence political enemies, and promote their own political preferences at the expense of all others.

this blog is a platform, not a publisher. and THAT is the over-arching POINT.


Anonymous said...



and for what it's worth, i would strongly encourage our host to dump the blogger platform and choose another. for one, this is owned by google who is our political enemy, and furthermore it would allow the host to be more selective with who he allows to participate.

spammers could be denied entry.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Twitter and Facebook are platforms, not publications. But neither one should be subject to censorship

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You would be the first to be denied entry.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

google who is our political enemy, 

Seig Heil Mr Twitter Twitter racist rodent bastard

Caliphate4vr said...

Alky this is a publisher

Publisher: a company or person that qurates and distributes content.

That’s what Twitter and FB have become and they did long ago, therefore they should lose protection

Anonymous said...



Blogger Roger Amick said...

You would be the first to be denied entry.



i'll leave that up to Scott.

at least i don't call him an asshole each day, and i actually DO appreciate the platform he provides.

and notice i said "platform" and not "publisher."


Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump Adviser Attacks Fauci
3:30 pm
Dr. Scott Atlas, one of President Trump’s chief coronavirus advisers, publicly attacked Dr. Anthony Fauci on Tuesday — accusing the nation’s top infectious disease expert of being a “political animal” who adjusted his dire assessments of the pandemic after Election Day, Politico reports.


Fauci says:
“When you have public figures like Bannon calling for your beheading, that’s really kind of unusual.”
— Dr. Anthony Fauci, quoted by the Washington Post.
______________

JamesNewLeaf says:
This administration is not exactly withdrawing from the field with dignity and graciousness, is it?

:-)

Caliphate4vr said...

This administration is not exactly withdrawing from the field with dignity and graciousness, is it?

It’s better than being gutless cowards like Obunghole et al, and setting traps for them in the deep state. At least they have balls to be up front.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

In the new social media era, some people want to get power to determine what is allowed to be published.

By redefining the social media as platforms, they could control what is available.

Private companies should have the absolute authority to determine what they want to allow to the public.


The people have the ultimate authority to determine what they believe in. If they don't agree with the policy of the platform, they can decide whether to watch it, or not.

I strongly believe in the first amendment rights.

Caliphate4vr said...

My god you don’t understand basic legal language, you’re a complete stooge

Kimberly Naugle said...

If you were listening several weeks ago President Trump said on November 4th no one would talk about Covid because it is political fodder. Political fodder are my words, but you get the gist. It’s November 11 and everyone is still talking about it and getting it by the hundreds of thousands a day.

It’s Veterans Day today, and over 84,000 veterans have gotten covid and over 10,000,000 Americans have gotten covid, and we are closing in on 250,000 deaths. Covid has been in USA best estimates 9.5 months, not a year.

For those who believe this is a bad flu, the average year 9 to 45 million people get the flu in the USA , and between 12,000 and 61,000 people die from the flu in the USA yearly.

This is not the flu, people do not die alone on a ventilator many in a prone position to get air in their lungs with the flu. Over 1,700 healthcare workers do not die from being exposed to patients with the flu yearly, and we have not hit a year yet.

So to all my friends, protect yourselves, your loved ones, and protect your fellow Americans by washing your hands, clean frequently touched surfaces, and please, when you go out, wear a mask. The only way we can avoid another shut down and hundreds of thousands of deaths is to do these simple things.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Prove me wrong.

I understand legal language better than you can imagine .

Anonymous said...



the more i read about this Wornock clown the more of a scumbag he appears to be. the man has a long history of being a real louse :



Two Baltimore ministers have been charged with obstructing a police investigation into suspected child abuse at a church-run camp in Carroll County.

The Revs. Raphael Gamalial Warnock, 33, and Mark Andre Wainwright, 30, of Douglas Memorial Community Church are accused in court documents of trying to prevent a state trooper from interviewing counselors at the church's Camp Farthest Out in Eldersburg.

A state trooper assigned to the case said neither of the clergymen is a suspect in the child abuse investigation, but the officer would not describe the nature of the suspected abuse.

Warnock, who is senior pastor of the West Baltimore church, said yesterday that the alleged abuse is not sexual. Because the investigation is continuing, he refused to further discuss the accusations of child abuse.

The ministers interrupted a police interview of a counselor Wednesday in a room at the camp and, after investigators moved the interview to a nearby picnic area, interfered again and subsequently tried to prevent a camper from directing police to another potential witness, according to charging documents.

"I've never encountered resistance like that at all," said Trooper Diane Barry of the state police Child and Sexual Assault Unit in Westminster. Barry said the counselors consented to the interviews after being told they were free to go at any time and were not obligated to answer her questions.

After being arrested and charged, the two men were released on their own recognizance to await trial, scheduled for Oct. 30.


https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-2002-08-03-0208030184-story.html

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Private platforms should have the authority to determine what gets published.

It should be no different than the first amendment rights on publications.

The New York Times has the authority to determine what is published.

You can't sue them for refusing to publish your letters to the editor.

Repealing 230 hasn't appeared before the court system. but the first amendment is almost absolute. The Chief Justice Roberts would decide against the lame duck President.

Caliphate4vr said...

Private companies should have the absolute authority to determine what they want to allow to the public.

I completely agree you sot, but they then become responsible for what they determine they want to allow to the public

A platform has no such responsibility

See the diff??

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

In the new social media era, some people want to get power to determine what is allowed to be published.

By redefining the social media as platforms, they could control what is available.

Private companies should have the absolute authority to determine what they want to allow to the public.


The people have the ultimate authority to determine what they believe in. If they don't agree with the policy of the platform, they can decide whether to watch it, or not.

I strongly believe in the first amendment rights.



man, when you're wrong you double down.

first of all, this is not a 1st amendment issue. not in the truest sense. except as it pertains to what a platform would allow vs. a publisher.

once you claim the right to censor, you become a publisher and you forfeit the sec. 230 protections you enjoy. what you advocate is for google, fakebook and twitter to have it both ways because YOU AGREE with what and who is being censored.

hence your "they're a private company, they can do what they want" bullshit.


at the core of sec. 230 is the requirement that they remain neutral, and that they only receive the protections offered by sec 230 for the private blocking and screening of offensive material. period.

you do not, DO NOT, get to deem political speech you disagree with as offensive material. PERIOD.

specifically: (c)Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material

(1)Treatment of publisher or speaker

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.


in other words, if you're going to be provided protection for blocking and screening of offensive material, you don't get to abuse that protection to block political speech... which is exactly what Google, Facebook, and Twitter have done.

and you won't be treated as a publisher, of course, unless you decide to become one.

the best part of sec. 230 is that it's laid out in such simple language that any HONEST person who chooses to take it at face value and not obfuscate it can understand it. one need not be a lawyer. one only need be honest. a bar set too high for anyone of the left.





Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The New York Post!


Joe Biden’s popular vote lead over President Trump continues to grow, hitting a milestone of more than 5 million on Wednesday as the commander-in-chief continues to press false allegations of widespread voter fraud.

With 96 percent of the popular vote counted, Biden extended his lead to 5,071,218 votes, according to the Associated Press — far more than the 2.8 million that Hillary Clinton had in losing to Trump in 2016.

Nonetheless, presidential elections are won based on the Electoral College and it is here that the Trump campaign has launched a feverish legal challenge contesting the vote count in swing states that Biden won.

The commander-in-chief and his allies claim that mail-in ballots were tampered with, GOP poll observers were prevented from doing their jobs, and poll workers coerced voters into voting for Biden. He has declined to concede.

Anonymous said...



The New York Times has the authority to determine what is published.

You can't sue them for refusing to publish your letters to the editor.



genius...

the NY Times does not enjoy sec. 230 protections. they accept their role as a PUBLISHER.

dorsey, fuckberg, and the patel who runs the goog are cowards compared to the NYT.

you try to justify their behavior alky because you AGREE with what and who is being censored.

but you don't even have the courage of your convictions to admit THAT much.

in hindsight i think it's a blessing you dodged the Vietnam draft. i can only imagine how many warriors you would've gotten killed had you served.

and it's no wonder you revel in the stolen valor of your relatives who DID serve.




Caliphate4vr said...

See if your gin soaked head can wrap itself around this and even begin to comprehend it

Platform, or Publisher?

If Big Tech firms want to retain valuable government protections, then they need to get out of the censorship business.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You would have been a terrible lawyer

The courts have not been involved yet.

I strongly agree with what I said

By redefining the social media as platforms, they could control what is available.

You should not have the authority to sue them because you are a bit of a fascist.

Caliphate4vr said...

The New York Times has the authority to determine what is published.

You can't sue them for refusing to publish your letters to the editor.


OMG that’s Alky stupid

Anonymous said...




12 Ways For Trump To Bomb The Battlefield While Biden Claims The Presidency


President Trump needs a skunkworks team coming up with as many political land mines as possible to embed in the landscape against Democrats if Republicans are forced to retreat from the White House in January.


https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/10/12-ways-for-trump-to-bomb-the-battlefield-while-biden-claims-the-presidency/


scorched earth baby. leave so many traps and landmines that slow joe an da ho step on at least a dozen a day.


#WAR




Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I don't agree with the professor who supports Senator Cruz and his definition of platform vs publications.

But his last paragraph is correct about the courts.
The dominant social media companies must choose: if they are neutral platforms, they should have immunity from litigation. If they are publishers making editorial choices, then they should relinquish this valuable exemption. They can’t claim that Section 230 immunity is necessary to protect free speech, while they shape, control, and censor the speech on their platforms. Either the courts or Congress should clarify the matter.

The President does not have the authority to change 230.

The Supreme Court would provably protect Twitter and Facebook and Google from civil prosecution.

Caliphate4vr said...

By redefining the social media as platforms, they could control what is available.

Wow, wow, wow.

It’s redefining them as publishers because they are controlling what is available. Jesus H Christ it’s like debating a retard

Anonymous said...



By redefining the social media as platforms, they could control what is available.


which is exactly what sec. 230 addresses and offers protections for.

social media as PLATFORMS.

they've crossed over into publishing and CENSORING and you condone it because you agree with what is being censored and who is being harmed.



No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

and twitter violated this when they suspended the NY Post from twitter.



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Platforms should have the same first amendment rights.

You have been drinking too many lagers

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Private companies have the right to censor anyone.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

But as he mounts a fierce battle to remain in office and refuses to concede the election he lost, Trump has shown little interest in the work of being President. Since he vowed to fight the election results in the wee hours after Election Day, Trump, who has spent four years producing television moments showcasing his office, has made few efforts to show the American people he is still governing.

Instead, he is firing off inflammatory and baseless claims on his social media accounts, many of which have been flagged by Twitter as misinformation, and hitting his golf course.

The 25th amendment now

Anonymous said...



The President does not have the authority to change 230.


and you're the only one stupid enough to say he thinks he does.

you embody every non sequitur and strawman that's ever been floated around here.


cruz, cotton and hawley are 3 GOP senators who DO wish to address this. Trump was never in it. he has an opinion which he's entitled to, but no stroke to move it.


Anonymous said...



show your work, captain plagiarism...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/11/politics/donald-trump-schedule-election/index.html

Caliphate4vr said...

they've crossed over into publishing and CENSORING and you condone it because you agree with what is being censored and who is being harmed.

He is incapable of grasping this, it’s unbelievable.

I’m unsure if it’s obtuseness or flat out stupidity but I haven’t ruled out the power of and though

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The New York times article is interesting

Section 230, from a 1996 federal law, was meant to protect young internet companies from liability. 

Why is the law so consequential?

Section 230 has allowed the modern internet to flourish. Sites can moderate content — set their own rules for what is and what is not allowed — without being liable for everything posted by visitors.

Whenever there is discussion of repealing or modifying the statute, its defenders, including many technology companies, argue that any alteration could cripple online discussion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/business/section-230-internet-speech.html

They can block child porn and sexual harassment and misinformation on almost everything they want.

They are not the enemy of the country like the lame duck President says.

When I see rrb calling them the enemy, he loses all credibility

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You don't grasp reality

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Daily Kos

Two-time popular vote-losing impeached lame duck Donald Trump is getting nowhere with his legal efforts to fight his election loss. To call his claims "specious" is an understatement. Ridiculous, laughable, unserious, corrupt—there are hardly enough words to describe what he's trying to do. To their credit, the traditional media is saying so. The AP says so.

"The U.S. presidential election was not tainted by widespread voter fraud or irregularities in how ballots were counted, despite a huge effort by President Donald Trump to prove otherwise," AP declares. The New York Times talked to election officials in every state and in every state were told there was no election fraud. "Election officials in dozens of states representing both political parties said that there was no evidence that fraud or other irregularities played a role in the outcome of the presidential race, amounting to a forceful rebuke of President Trump's portrait of a fraudulent election," the Times reports.

Even in Georgia, where harassment from Republican senators has forced the Republican secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, to declare a recount, there was no fraud—no whiff of it. Before he caved, he called Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue's charges that the count wasn’t transparent and could be fraudulent "laughable." In a statement before the caving, he said: "We were literally putting releases of results up at a minimum hourly. […] I and my office have been holding daily or twice-daily briefings for the press to walk them through all the numbers. So that particular charge is laughable." Any irregularities, he said, were not a threat to the outcome of the election. Yet the ridiculous charges continue.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump May Want to Visit the White House Gift Shop
3:49 pm
The White House Gift Shop is selling Joe Biden/Kamala Harris inaugural coins.

OH THAT SHOULD DELIGHT HIM!



Georgia Senate Races Look Very Close
3:52 pm
A new Remington Research Group (R) poll in Georgia finds Kelly Loeffler (R) edging Raphael Warnock (D) in the U.S. Senate runoff, 49% to 48% with 3% still undecided.

In the other runoff, Sen. David Perdue (R) leads Jon Ossoff (D), 50% to 46% with 4% still undecided.


Trump Still Trying to Declassify Russia Info
4:30 pm
“President Trump’s senior military and intelligence officials have been warning him strongly against declassifying information about Russia that his advisers say would compromise sensitive collection methods and anger key allies,” the Washington Post reports.

“An intense battle over this issue has raged within the administration in the days before and after the Nov. 3 presidential election. Trump and his allies want the information public because they believe it would rebut claims that Russian President Vladimir Putin supported Trump in 2016. That may sound like ancient history, but for Trump it remains ground zero — the moment when his political problems began.”

“CIA Director Gina Haspel last month argued strongly at a White House meeting against disclosing the information, because she believed that doing so would violate her pledge to protect sources and methods.”


Trump Gathers Advisers to Discuss Path Forward
5:01 pm
President Trump met today with top advisers to discuss the post-election path forward, NBC News reports.
_________
First of all, CONCEDE!


Biden Likely to Win Arizona
5:26 pm
Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich (R) told Fox Business that President Trump is “very, highly unlikely” to win enough of the still-uncounted ballots in Arizona to defeat President-elect Joe Biden.

And there is no evidence so far that Arizona’s votes were tainted by fraud or other irregularities that would affect the election.


Rubio Says GOP Needs a Reset
4:33 pm
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) told Axios that after the 2020 election Republicans need to rebrand their party as the champions of working-class voters and steer away from its traditional embrace of big business.

Rubio said he is leaving the door open for a 2024 presidential run — so his comments are some of the earliest signals of how the GOP contenders may try to acknowledge President Trump’s successes while finding their own path.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

I could have told them that free of charge.

Also, they shouldn't let their next presidential candidate run on a promise that he/she is going to make the wealthy pay more in taxes, and then not keep that promise.

(They should hire me for advice.)

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

On Wednesday, President Trump’s campaign asked a federal judge to take a drastic step: block the state of Michigan from certifying the results of its presidential election. President-elect Joe Biden now leads Trump by about 148,000 votes there.
To back up that lawsuit, Trump’s campaign had promised “shocking” evidence of misconduct.


Instead, the campaign produced 238 pages of affidavits from Republican poll watchers across Michigan containing no evidence of significant fraud but rather allegations about ballot-counting procedures that state workers have already debunked — and in some cases, complaints about rude behavior or unpleasant looks from poll workers or Democratic poll watchers.



“I felt intimidated by union people who were staring at me,” one GOP poll watcher wrote.
The suit in Michigan is emblematic of the problem facing Trump as he seeks to reverse a sizable electoral defeat through long-shot lawsuits. To work in court, this strategy would probably require Trump to provide evidence of wide-scale voter fraud across multiple states.
[Here are the GOP and Trump campaign’s allegations of election irregularities. So far, none has been proved.]
So far, despite days of looking and offers of cash rewards from Trump allies, he hasn’t produced it.
In Texas, the lieutenant governor has offered a $1 million reward for evidence of voter fraud. In Arizona, the state GOP is promoting a website for voters to report problems.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

“This is an effort to find a problem when one does not exist,” Roopali Desai, an attorney for Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs (D), said in a court hearing in Arizona on Monday.
For the Trump campaign, the biggest problem with these affidavits might be that they raise questions with only a small number of ballots: a few hundred at most, from The Washington Post’s analysis, far less than the 148,000 by which Trump trails in Michigan.
But Trump’s allies have said they are still working on other evidence, which could prove wide-scale fraud.
[Live results: Biden elected 46th president of the United States]
“While some of the currently filed affidavits are about small-bore concerns, there is a broad pattern emerging which raises concerns about the process of counting votes in Wayne County,” said Charlie Spies, a nationally known Republican election lawyer, who is working with Senate candidate John James (R), who also trails in the state.
Wednesday’s lawsuit in Michigan was similarly touted by Trump’s staff. They said it would offer more than 230 pages of sworn statements from more than 100 people who observed ballot-counting problems and other irregularities that called into question the integrity of the election.
“These are real, and anyone who cares about transparency and integrity of the system should want this to proceed to the discovery phase,” said Kayleigh McEnany — now doing double duty as a spokesperson for the White House and Trump’s campaign — on Fox News late Tuesday.
But when The Washington Post reviewed the affidavits Wednesday, they appeared to be a grab bag of statements from GOP poll watchers all over the state. The poll watchers were Republicans who received some brief training — one woman estimated it took 20 minutes — and then were allowed to observe Detroit election workers processing and tabulating mail-in ballots.
While the poll watchers came from around Michigan, nearly all of their complaints dealt with practices inside the TCF Center, the convention center where ballots from majority-Black Detroit were tallied.
Jacqueline Zaplitny, whose affidavit cited workers wearing Black Lives Matter gear, said that she filed the document after the Michigan Republican Party and that the Trump campaign encouraged observers who saw anything out of the ordinary to step forward with their complaints. She said she believes ballots in Michigan should be recounted. “There are a lot of inaccuracies,” she said.

In poll watcher affidavits, Trump campaign offers no evidence of fraud in Detroit ballot-counting
By David A. Fahrenthold, Rosalind S. Helderman and Tom Hamburger

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/michigan--poll-watcher-affidavits/2020/11/11/4d073d7a-2447-11eb-a688-5298ad5d580a_story.html


Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

OH BOY!!! Something else to help our nation get the bad taste of Trump out of our mouths!

OBAMA MEMOIR OUT NEXT WEEK!!!
A Promised Land
by Barack Obama.

THE STORY OF A PRESIDENTIAL-ACTING PRESIDENT WHO GOT REELECTED!!!

768 Pages - 11/17/2020 Publication Date

Obama will be interviewed on 60 Minutes this weekend!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Fake news!

The lame duck President has been silent.

Because his bullshit about masking has been bullshit


For months it has been clear that wearing a face mask reduces the transmission of Covid-19, because it prevents your respiratory droplets from spreading and potentially infecting other people. Now the Centers for Disease Control has highlighted another benefit of mask-wearing that many hoped or suspected was the case: Masks can also protect the wearer from other people's droplets, the CDC wrote in a scientific brief published Tuesday.

Wearing a mask is "a two-way street," Dr. Anthony Fauci told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell in an interview Tuesday, citing new research on personal protection from

Masks made with multiple cloth layers have been shown to prevent 50-70% of a person's respiratory droplets from spreading to others (which is one of the main ways the virus infects others, when a contagious person sneezes, coughs, breathes or talks).

On the other hand, wearing a cloth mask can also reduce the amount of infectious droplets you personally are exposed, because the fabric barrier filters out a degree of particles, according to the CDC. Some data has shown that a multi-layer cloth mask made from a fabric with a high thread could filter out nearly 50% of respiratory droplets and aerosolized particles. (N-95 respirators that are used by healthcare professionals can filter out 95% of very small particles.)

Ideally, if everyone — infected or not — wears a mask the efficacy is even higher.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Fraud squad

Postal worker recants false fraud claims cited by Trump campaign, top Republicans: Dem aide

BENJAMIN SIEGEL, ALEXANDER MALLIN, KATHERINE FAULDERS, LUCIEN BRUGGEMAN and WILL STEAKIN

ABC NewsNovember 11, 2020, 11:31 AM

A Pennsylvania postal worker has recanted claims that supervisors attempted to backdate ballots mailed after the election, according to congressional aides. The false allegations were cited by the Trump campaign and top Republicans as examples of voter fraud impacting the results of the presidential election.

Richard Hopkins, a Postal Service worker from Erie, Pennsylvania, alleged that he overheard supervisors discussing a plan to backdate mail-in ballots for Election Day. His claims were first shared by Project Veritas, a conservative organization that tries to set up sting operations on a variety of groups in attempts to expose perceived bias -- and which has drawn fire for at times its false claims and selective and misleading video editing. The group on Monday said it would offer $25,000 for claims of voter fraud across the country.

The fake videos were here with the troll that is no longer here.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/postal-worker-recants-claims-fraud-024203321.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_04

Anonymous said...

Joe during the election sad he was not for a mandatory Nation wide Mask Mandate now he is.

Lying cunt.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Pilger joins a long line of career federal prosecutors who have found it ethically impossible to follow Barr’s instructions. I doubt he will be the last. This latest outrage — casting aside long-standing Justice Department policies in an effort to help Trump claw back a lost election — is by far the worst yet.


Barr cannot be allowed to pervert the justice system in the service of Donald Trump. This isn’t about rooting out “election fraud.” It’s about using the DOJ as a political tool in direct contradiction of standing policies intended to prevent just that. If there were ever a time for the House to step in and hold the administration accountable, this is it. Your move, Madam Speaker.

Republican Chris Truax, an appellate lawyer in San Diego and CEO of CertifiedVoter.com, is a member of USA TODAY's Board of Contributors.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

What a lovely c-word for a supposedly Pope honoring, supposedly devout Catholic to be using. The sisters in his Catholic school would be ashamed of him.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

KARL ROVE SAYS:
This Election Result Won’t Be Overturned
8:31 pm
“To win, Mr. Trump must prove systemic fraud, with illegal votes in the tens of thousands. There is no evidence of that so far. Unless some emerges quickly, the president’s chances in court will decline precipitously when states start certifying results, as Georgia will on Nov. 20, followed by Pennsylvania and Michigan on Nov. 23, Arizona on Nov. 30, and Wisconsin and Nevada on Dec. 1. By seating one candidate’s electors, these certifications will raise the legal bar to overturn state results and make it even more difficult for Mr. Trump to prevail before the Electoral College meets Dec. 14.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Over 140,000 people were infected yesterday!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Karl Rove is a true conservative American. The lame duck President is not!

To win, Mr. Trump must prove systemic fraud, with illegal votes in the tens of thousands. There is no evidence of that so far. Unless some emerges quickly, the president’s chances in court will decline precipitously when states start certifying results, as Georgia will on Nov. 20, followed by Pennsylvania and Michigan on Nov. 23, Arizona on Nov. 30, and Wisconsin and Nevada on Dec. 1. By seating one candidate’s electors, these certifications will raise the legal bar to overturn state results and make it even more difficult for Mr. Trump to prevail before the Electoral College meets Dec. 14.

TV networks showed jubilant crowds in major cities celebrating Mr. Biden’s victory; they didn’t show the nearly equal number of people who mourned Mr. Trump’s defeat. U.S. politics remains polarized and venomous. Closing out this election will be a hard but necessary step toward restoring some unity and political equilibrium. Once his days in court are over, the president should do his part to unite the country by leading a peaceful transition and letting grievances go.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scary stuff is worth your time.

When you lose, it is good and healthy to know why. In the First World War, the conflict that defined our modern world, the Germans lost because of the overwhelming force assembled by their enemies on the Western Front. After the Americans entered the war, German defeat was a matter of time. Yet German commanders found it convenient instead to speak of a “stab in the back” by leftists and Jews. This big lie was a problem for the new German democracy that was created after the war, since it suggested that the major political party, the Social Democrats, and a national minority, the Jews, were outside the national community. The lie was taken up by the Nazis, and it became a central element of their version of history after they took power. The blame was elsewhere.

It is always tempting to blame defeat on others. Yet for a national leader to do so and to inject a big lie into the system puts democracy at great risk. Excluding others from the national community makes democracy impossible in principle, and refusing to accept defeat makes it impossible in practice. What we face now in the United States is a new, American incarnation of the old falsehood: that Donald Trump’s defeat was not what it seems, that votes were stolen from him by internal enemies — by a left-wing party. “Where it mattered, they stole what they had to steal,” he tweets. He claims that his votes were all “Legal Votes,” as if by definition those for his opponent were not.

Underestimating Donald Trump is a mistake that people should not go on making. Laughing at him will not make him go away. If it did, he would have vanished decades ago. Nor will longstanding norms about how presidents behave make him go away. He is an actor and will stick to his lines: It was all a fraud, and he won “by a lot.” He was never defeated, goes the story; he was a victim of a conspiracy. This stab-in-the-back myth could become a permanent feature of American politics, so long as Trump has a bullhorn, be it on Fox or on RT (formerly Russia Today) — or, though Democrats might find this unthinkable, as an unelected president remaining in power.

Trump uses government to bolster his fight over loss

After all, a claim that an election was illegitimate is a claim to remaining in power. A coup is under way, and the number of participants is not shrinking but growing. Few leading Republicans have acknowledged that the race is over. Important ones, such as Mitch McConnell and Mike Pompeo, appear to be on the side of the coup. We might like to think that this is all some strategy to find the president an exit ramp. But perhaps that is wishful thinking. The transition office refuses to begin its work. The secretary of defense, who did not want the army attacking civilians, was fired. The Department of Justice, exceeding its traditional mandate, has authorized investigations of the vote count. The talk shows on Fox this week contradict the news released by Fox last week. Republican lawmakers find ever new verbal formulations that directly or indirectly support Trump’s claims. The longer this goes on, the greater the danger to the Republic.

What Trump is saying is false, and Republican politicians know it. If the votes against the president were fraudulent, then Republican wins in the House and Senate were also fraudulent: The votes were on the same ballots. Yet conspiracy theories, such as the stab in the back, have a force that goes beyond logic. They push away from a world of evidence and toward a world of fears. Psychological research suggests that citizens are especially vulnerable to conspiracy theories at the time of elections. Trump understands this, which is why his delivery of conspiracy theory is full of capital letters and bereft of facts. He knows better than to try to prove anything. His ally Newt Gingrich reaches for the worst when he blames a wealthy Jew for something that did not happen in the first place.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

History shows where this can go. If people believe an election has been stolen, that makes the new president a usurper. In Poland in 1922, a close election brought a centrist candidate to the presidency. Decried by the right in the press as an agent of the Jews, he was assassinated after two weeks in office. Even if the effect is not so immediate, the lingering effect of a myth of victimhood, of the idea of a stab in the back, can be profound. The German myth of a stab in the back did not doom German democracy immediately. But the conspiracy theory did help Nazis make their case that some Germans were not truly members of the nation and that a truly national government could not be democratic.

Democracy can be buried in a big lie. Of course, the end of democracy in America would take an American form. In 2020 Trump acknowledged openly what has been increasingly clear for decades: The Republican Party aims not so much to win elections as to game them. This strategy has its temptations: The more you care about suppressing votes, the less you care about what voters want. And the less you care about voters want, the closer you move to authoritarianism. Trump has taken the next logical step: Try to disenfranchise voters not only before but after elections.

George H.W. Bush dealt with his loss in 1992 very differently than President Trump has in 2020

The results of the 2020 elections could be read to mean that Republicans can fight and win on the issues. Reading the results as fraudulent instead will take Republicans, and the country, on a very different journey, through a cloud of magical thinking toward violence.

If you have been stabbed in the back, then everything is permitted. Claiming that a fair election was foul is preparation for an election that is foul. If you convince your voters that the other side has cheated, you are promising them that you yourself will cheat next time. Having bent the rules, you then have to break them. History shows the danger in the familiar example of Hitler. When politicians break democracy, as conservatives in Weimar Germany did in the early 1930s, they are wrong to think that they will control what happens next. Someone else will emerge who is better adapted to the chaos and who will wield it in ways that they neither want nor expect. The myth of victimhood comes home and claims its victims.

This is no time to mince words. In the interest of the Republic and of their own party, Republicans should accept the results.

Timothy Snyder, a professor of history at Yale University,

Maybe Nuts said...

Chris Wallace revealed himself to be a partisan leftist, an anti-Trump guy, years ago, so Fox News Sunday was no longer a must-watch program.  He really exposed his bias in that first presidential debate; that was the final blow for conservatives re: Wallace.

Wallace is as committed a leftist as little George Stephanopoulos of ABC and the moonbats on CNN and MSNBC.

Fox news is a traitor now.



Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

State Department Won’t Give Biden His Messages
8:56 pm
“A stack of messages from foreign leaders to President-elect Joe Biden are sitting at the State Department but the Trump administration is preventing him from accessing them,” CNN reports.

“Traditionally, the State Department supports all communications for the President-elect, which is why many countries began sending messages to State over the weekend. But with Biden prohibited from accessing State Department resources by the Trump administration, because President Trump refuses to accept Biden’s victory, dozens of incoming messages have not been received.”

TREASON



INSANE SPITE
Trump’s Advisers See No Path to Overturning Election
8:59 pm
Wall Street Journal:
“Trump advisers have grown more vocal in conversations with Mr. Trump in recent days that they don’t see a path to victory, even if his legal efforts meet some success, a White House official said, though some advisers have continued to tell the president he still has a shot. An official said Mr. Trump understands that the fight isn’t winnable but characterized his feelings as: ‘Let me have the fight.'”

INSANE SPITEFULNESS

Washington Post:
“Trump aides, advisers and allies said there is no grand strategy to reverse the election results.”


INSANITY!
The Completely Insane Electoral College Strategy
10:23 pm
Rich Lowry:
“President Trump is challenging the outcome of the Nov. 3 presidential election in several razor-thin battleground states, pushing for recounts and filing lawsuits that are very unlikely to overturn Joe Biden’s current leads.


“Faced with this prospect, some allies of the president are advocating, or beginning to whisper about, Republican state legislatures taking matters into their own hands and sending slates of Trump electors to Congress regardless of the vote count.

“This is a poisonous idea that stands out as radical and destructive, even in a year when we’ve been debating court-packing and defunding the police. The best that can be said for it is that it is almost certainly a nonstarter, which doesn’t mean that it won’t get more oxygen.”


Lankford Says Biden MUST Get Intelligence Briefings
10:19 pm
Sen. James Lankford (R-OK) told KRMG that if President-elect Joe Biden doesn’t have access to intelligence briefings by Friday then he will get involved.


Said Lankford:
“I can assure you there will be a peaceful transition of power in the United States.”

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump has no understanding of the kind of leadership exercised by Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, the Adamses, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Johnson, Reagan, the Bushes, Obama.

If Trump had spent less time admiring the speeches of Hitler and more time admiring the thoughts and speeches of men like these, he might have some slightly better understanding of what the American dream really is all about.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

(CNN)The White House's nominee for a top position at the Pentagon has a history of making Islamophobic and inflammatory remarks against prominent Democratic politicians, including falsely calling former President Barack Obama a Muslim.

Retired Army Brig. Gen. Anthony Tata, a frequent guest on Fox News and ardent defender of President Donald Trump, was nominated to become the under secretary of defense for policy.

It makes rrp cum !

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Among the anti-democratic tactics Mr. Trump has adopted are some that were commonly employed by leaders like Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela and Slobodan Milosevic of Serbia — refusing to concede defeat and hurling unfounded accusations of electoral fraud. The tactics also include undermining confidence in democratic institutions and the courts, attacking the press and vilifying opponents.

Anonymous said...

Blue-stream Media lied, intentionally.
Texas
Trump beat Biden by 6%

Cornyn (R) wins by 10%

Kansas
Trump wins by 15%
Marshall by 12%

Anonymous said...

Roger the fag makes some man cum.

"It makes rrp cum !"

Anonymous said...

Illegitimate Joe, hard Socialist .
We warned you all. He is a Radicalized Obamabot.

"Biden, who promised a New Deal-style approach to addressing climate issues on the campaign trail this year, has begun formulating a governing strategy to curb carbon emissions “even without congressional action, by maximizing executive authority,” according to the Washington Post."

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He's in over his head. I have been saying that since he rode down the escalator.

It's crazy'

Multiple civilian and military officials working inside the Pentagon are raising the question of whether the departure of Esper and other officials will now clear the way for Trump in his final weeks in office to potentially again call for initiatives he wants to pursue that the Pentagon opposes.

One would be again raising the specter of using active duty forces under the Insurrection Act against any future protests. Another potential raised by officials is he would override the military advice he has been given and bring troops home from Afghanistan by Christmas.

US military officials have long stressed that the US withdrawal from Afghanistan is conditions based, with those conditions including the Taliban's breaking its ties to al Qaeda and making progress in peace talks with the Afghan government, two conditions that have yet to be met.

It could lead to another 9/11

CNN


Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

More Foreign Leaders Have Congratulated Biden
5:24 am
“Eight world leaders have now called to congratulate President-elect Joe Biden — four more than the number of GOP senators who have publicly done so,” Axios reports.

“The refusal by top Republicans to accept Biden’s victory and allow legal options to be exhausted could mean weeks of drama and serve as a distraction from the work that is necessary to ensure a smooth transition of power.”

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

On the radio last night I heard Larry Elder frantically trying to come up with something -- ANYthing -- that could make it seem that Trump had won the election. He is even trying to question the vote in Michigan.

Even conservative news sources are admitting that there has not been one single court victory for that line of thinking. Yet Trump continues his ridiculous burnt earth strategy and Republican leaders meekly go along with it.

(Don't let him bring any gasoline into the White House!)

Local election leaders, both Republican and Democrat, are getting increasingly p.o.'d: Knowing how important this was, and how close the election might be, they worked so hard to assure that everything would be done according to the best accepted and mutually agreed upon norms -- yet they keep getting these baseless accusations of somebody stealing the election.

Anonymous said...

Obimbo leaves office
Diesel price is $3.783

Trump Diesel price today $1.75

Illegitimate Obamabot Biden promises to raise fuel prices .

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Biden Picks Ron Klain as Chief of Staff
7:53 pm
President-elect Joe Biden will name Ron Klain, a veteran Democratic operative and a decades-long confidant, to be his White House chief of staff as early as Thursday morning, the New York Times reports.

“Mr. Klain, a lawyer with deep experience on Capitol Hill, advising President Barack Obama and in corporate board rooms, has been seen for months as the most likely choice to manage Mr. Biden’s team in the White House. Known for steady nerves, he is well versed as a tactician in the levers of power in both the executive and legislative branches. And he has a fierce wit, which he has frequently unleashed on President Trump on Twitter.
___________

Sounds like an excellent choice!

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Anonymous said...

Roger the fag makes some man cum.

"It makes rrp cum !"

Anonymous said...

Illegitimate Joe repaying Wall Street in James,s last post.

Anonymous said...

Illegitimate Joe, Chief of staff.

"Ron Klain, the long-serving aide to former Vice President Joe Biden who was named White House chief of staff Wednesday in the event his boss is certified as the winner of the election, tweeted in 2014 that he believed American elections are rigged."

anonymous said...

Idiot goat fucker hanging on to the mistaken belief that trump is a GOD who won an election with 5 million less votes......BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! I doubt whether Klain said anything of the sort!!!!! Another lie the GOP has perpetrated as fake news!!!!!!!!

anonymous said...

BTW goat fucker...put on your man pants and advise trump that he is a LOSER!!!!!

Anonymous said...

70 million Republican voters and yet not one single city is in fire because Trump lost.

IF, in the end Biden losses, will the Socialist Democrats be as restrained?

anonymous said...

Suggest that the goat fucker follow the Klain statement and see the whole BS is taken out of context......BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Sorry sport you are full of shit again!!!!!

anonymous said...

No cities are on fire because trump did lose!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

anonymous said...

The term “rigged” might go a tad far. The problem here isn’t fraud. In elections, like in so much else, the scandal is what’s legal.

The article focused on gerrymandering, which protected most congressional incumbents from serious challenges.


Yep goat fucker.....taken out of context as I though!!!!! I agree gerrymandering sure has the appearance of rigging elections!!!!!!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The lame duck President is acting more erratic every day, his Twitter feed is full of false allegations of fraud. He's even revealed classified information, and lies that caused Twitter to block some tweets
When will Mike Pence step up and admit the loss? He's endangering the people.

Anonymous said...

Roger the fag makes some man cum.

"It makes rrp cum !"

Anonymous said...

No Republicans are rioting, burning cities or looting.

Anonymous said...

“Traditionally, the State Department supports all communications for the President-elect, which is why many countries began sending messages to State over the weekend. But with Biden prohibited from accessing State Department resources by the Trump administration, because President Trump refuses to accept Biden’s victory, dozens of incoming messages have not been received.”

TREASON



treason.

for following the law.

LOL.

slow joe remains a resident-elect, having officially won exactly fucking nothing.



and alky say -

It could lead to another 9/11

CNN


LOL. no miss prissy pants. there won't be another 9/11 just because Trump has decided to follow the fucking law.

now, if slow joe does manage to get certified, i'd be willing to place a healthy wager on the moose-limb shitstains attacking us again... with impunity. Iran is still pissed over Solemani getting blowed up, and with Trump out of the picture they'd be free to retaliate, and probably pick up several pallets of cash via air mail for the pleasure.

so alky, tell fredo and his merry band of asshats over at XiNN that the threat of another 9/11 only becomes real with your drooling dementia patient in the big chair.


Anonymous said...

He's even revealed classified information...

no he hasn't. no matter what @jack-off tells you alky.

however, on his way out the door expect him to de-classify ALL of the russia/spygate bullshit. at the very least that would be a magnificent embarrassment to all involved in the coup attempt, and at most it could compel someone with a conscience to go after those traitors once and for all.

anonymous said...

no he hasn't. no matter what


YES HE HAS YOU FUCKING MORONIC ASSHOLE!!!!!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKCN18B2MX You are even dumb for an R!!!!!!!!!

anonymous said...


Blogger KansasDemocrat said...
No Republicans are rioting, burning cities or looting.


Neither are true D's or I's......bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

So all those burned , looted and "occupied" democrats governed cities had " Fake D's" .Doppie always fails

Anonymous said...

Illegitimate Joe promises to end All Trump tax cuts.
And raise all fuel prices.


Anonymous said...



good one BWAA -

MAY 15, 2017 5:35 PM UPDATED 3 YEARS AGO

read what you post, you dumb fuck.

the claim is fueled by anonymous sources, and refuted by multiple NAMED sources.

LOL.

this is emblematic of the fucking nonsense you assholes have been peddling throughout the entire administration.

so go fuck yourself.




Anonymous said...

RRB , Roger fantasized about having sex with you.

ugh.

anonymous said...

AY 15, 2017 5:35 PM UPDATED 3 YEARS AGO


You dumb FUCK>>>>!!!!! That is when it happened and was reported!!!!!! Can't fix stupid like yours!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The government reported on Thursday that 723,000 workers filed new claims for state unemployment benefits last week as the coronavirus pandemic continued to inflict economic damage.

Another 298,000 new claims were filed under a federal emergency program, Pandemic Unemployment Assistance, designed for freelancers, part-time workers and others who are not normally eligible for state benefits. Neither figure is seasonally adjusted.

On a seasonally adjusted basis, the figure for new state claims was 709,000.

New claims declined from the week before — as well as from the stratospheric multimillion levels reached in the spring — but they continue to outrun previous records.

“The gradual healing of the labor market continued, but the magnitude is still high” said Diane Swonk, chief economist at the accounting firm Grant Thornton.

“Technically it looks like we’re in a recovery,” she said, “but we’re still so much in the hole.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

In one week, new daily coronavirus cases in the United States went from 104,000 to more than 145,000 on Wednesday, the latest all-time high. Almost every metric is trending in the wrong direction as states add restrictions and health officials warn of a dangerous fall ahead.
The rise in infections comes with new highs in the number of deaths reported in a single day at 1,549, the highest since May 14. Tennessee, Alabama and Minnesota all reached new highs in the number of deaths reported in a single day.
Here are some significant developments:
Coronavirus cases continue to soar across much of Europe as several countries struggle to contain surges in hospitalizations and deaths.

President Trump is convinced that a “medical deep state” deliberately tried to sabotage his electoral prospects.

Another White House official who attended Trump’s election night gathering has tested positive for the coronavirus.

Eight major college football games that were scheduled for this weekend have been postponed or canceled because of coronavirus concerns. Five of them involved Top 25 teams.

More than 10.3 million infections and 241,000 fatalities have been reported to date in the United States.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump spends his days watching tv and tweeting ridiculous things

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

148,000 infections yesterday.

Trump has said that we are turning the corner.

There is a traffic jam in Los Angeles Dodgers stadium extending a mile from the stadium testing stations

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump's refusal to concede an election he lost decisively, and the GOP throwing around baseless claims of "voter fraud," represent the real fraud.

Republican National Committee chairwoman Ronna McDaniel on Wednesday deleted a tweet that implicitly admitted that President Donald Trump has lost the 2020 election.

Her tweet, posted earlier in the day, noted that Vice President-elect Kamala Harris would be the deciding vote in the Senate if Democrats won both runoff races in Georgia. The tweet, prior to her removing it, was retweeted by the Republican Party’s official Twitter account.

This indicates that even the Republicans know Trump is toast.


The Republicans are coo cooooo

Anonymous said...



“Technically it looks like we’re in a recovery,” she said, “but we’re still so much in the hole.”


and slow joe's chief corona tool says 4-6 more weeks of lockdown will make everything all better.



Blogger Roger Amick said...

Trump spends his days watching tv and tweeting ridiculous things


just like you alky. only he's a billionaire President doing it from the White House, and you're a broken down, twice-divorced, alcoholic loser doing it from the confines of a nursing home.

advantage: Trump



LOL.


Anonymous said...

And RRB, Roger dreams of having sex with you.

ugh.