The drugmaker Pfizer said it plans to submit an application to the Food and Drug Administration on Friday for emergency use authorization of its coronavirus vaccine. That would set in motion an accelerated regulatory process that could allow the first Americans to get a vaccine by the middle of December.
An emergency authorization would allow limited groups of Americans to get the vaccines before the F.D.A. has completed the typical monthslong approval process, but agency officials have made clear through new guidelines that their bar for emergency authorization will be high.
Actually we have not just Pfizer ready to deliver, but also Moderna who has touted a vaccine that is 95% effective.
Speaking of Moderna, they’re expected to follow suit shortly with their request. Their vaccine is as effective but more easily stored and distributed. That will help in the first quarter of next year but probably not before Christmas, unless the FDA moves fast on both requests.
So what puzzles me is that many people (including task force leader Dr Fauci) have continued to claim that we are still several months away from a vaccine being delivered. I wonder if there is some semantic thing that I am missing here, but it would appear that there is a pretty large disconnect between having a vaccine at least partially available before Christmas, and not seeing anything till Spring.
Does Fauci not believe that the FDA will approve the Pfizer or Moderna drug? Is he just talking about when it becomes generally available to everyone? The reality is if we had 50 million doses and could give those doses to those most vulnerable before year end, then we could probably prevent thousands of deaths (and bring down new cases less drastically).
We had nearly 200,000 new cases and 2000 deaths yesterday. The virus is moving dangerously close to the upper New England area which would include NYC and other areas that struggled with this the first time. If there was ever a time to through a little caution to the wind and give a vaccine the old college try, then this is it.
Case Update:
Deaths yesterday:
- Texas 226
- Illinois 180
- Michigan 144
- Pennsylvania 104
- California 97
- Wisconsin 83
- Texas 15,133
- Illinois 14,612
- California 12,953
- Florida 9085
- Michigan 7983
- Minnesota 7863
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Just pay attention, Ch, and it will become clear even to you in all your prejudice that there may be reasons the vaccine may take a while longer to become generally available than any of us would like.
Of course anyone, anyone, anyone, either of the OUTGOING Trump administration or the INCOMING Biden administration would like to make the vaccine available to as many as possible as soon as possible, for political as well as humanitarian reasons of simple human compassion and decency.
A question:
Have you finally decided to stop campaigning against mask wearing (as you did in the foolish thread below)?
---Yesterday in the Pence-led CDC Task Force briefing it was said again and again and again that the wearing of masks is a highly recommended measure, along with hand washing and social distancing.
And all Americans are advised to keep their Thanksgiving celebrations limited to closest family members or even smaller.
Dolly Parton's generous one million dollar contribution to Moderna research caused a professor to rework her classic song ‘Jolene’:
“Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine,
I’m begging of you, please go in my arm.
Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine,
Please just keep me safe from COVID harm."
_______
“I love that song. I love Dolly Parton. And I don’t know — I was inspired.”
BOSTON (AP) — Dolly Parton is being celebrated in song — a rewritten version of her own “Jolene” — for her contribution to an experimental coronavirus vaccine.
Northeastern University associate English professor Ryan Cordell posted a video on Twitter of himself performing a tweaked version of Parton’s signature song, renamed “Vaccine,” that has drawn tens of thousands of views.
The lyrics, were written by linguist and author Gretchen McCulloch, who posted them online and invited people to record them.
“I love that song. I love Dolly Parton. And I don’t know — I was inspired,” Cordell told The Boston Globe on Tuesday. “So I went and grabbed my guitar.”
Parton’s $1 million gift to Nashville’s Vanderbilt University Medical Center helped researchers develop Moderna’s experimental coronavirus vaccine, announced this week.
Cordell grew up with Parton’s music, thanks to his parents and grandparents, and he called Parton’s appearance at the 2019 Newport Folk Festival as one of his “favorite musical memories.”
“So I was just thrilled to see this news that she had contributed to COVID vaccine research — I thought that was amazing,” he said.
The positive reaction to his video from doctors, nurses and other medical professionals is particularly gratifying, he said.
“And that’s really amazing because those folks are under so much pressure and stress, and especially right now as hospitals are getting overwhelmed,” Cordell said. “And so if they watched the video, and it made them happy for a minute, that’s all I need.”
Top pathologist Dr. Roger Hodkinson told government officials in Alberta during a zoom conference call that the current coronavirus crisis is “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.”
Hodkinson’s comments were made during a discussion involving the Community and Public Services Committee and the clip was subsequently uploaded to YouTube.
Noting that he was also an expert in virology, Hodkinson pointed out that his role as CEO of a biotech company that manufactures COVID tests means, “I might know a little bit about all this.”
“There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians, it’s outrageous, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” said Hodkinson.
The doctor said that nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people and that the whole situation represented “politics playing medicine, and that’s a very dangerous game.”
Hodkinson remarked that “social distancing is useless because COVID is spread by aerosols which travel 30 meters or so before landing,” as he called for society to be re-opened immediately to prevent the debilitating damage being caused by lockdowns.
Hodkinson also slammed mandatory mask mandates as completely pointless.
“Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever,” he said.
“Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They’re not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people – I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense – seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face.”
The doctor also slammed the unreliability of PCR tests, noting that “positive test results do not, underlined in neon, mean a clinical infection,” and that all testing should stop because the false numbers are “driving public hysteria.”
Hodkinson said that the risk of death in the province of Alberta for people under the age of 65 was “one in three hundred thousand,” and that it was simply “outrageous” to shut down society for what the doctor said “was just another bad flu.”
“I’m absolutely outraged that this has reached this level, it should all stop tomorrow,” concluded Dr. Hodkinson.
Anonymous Caliphate4vr said...
Top pathologist Dr. Roger Hopkinson told government officials in Alberta during a zoom conference call that the current coronavirus crisis is “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.”
YOU JUST PROVED BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT THAT UGA GRADUATES ARE BRAIN DEAD!!!!!! Maybe since you are not working you should donate you time to a covid ward and get back to us that those people are faking it!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Great find there asshole.....Another Dr kendrick......he is a a pathologist with an opinion.......BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! God you are stupid!!!!
Dr Hodkinson......the Judith Curry of medicine.......BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Before his association with Western Medical, Dr Hodkinson had a long and varied career giving him valuable insight into many fields of medicine that now benefits the company’s clients:
General practitioner in the UK and Canada
Staff pathologist at the Misericordia Hospital, Edmonton, Alberta
Pathologist with the Medical Examiner’s Office in Edmonton determining the cause of death
Assistant Professor in the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Alberta
President of the Alberta Society of Laboratory Physicians
Chairman of a Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons committee in Ottawa
CEO of a large private medical laboratory in Edmonton, Alberta
Far more knowledgeable than you, fatboi
Hey dumb fuck......Hodkinson just another asshole like you with an opinion..... Yes I looked up his creds and him being a pathologist does not make him an expert in covid.....you dumb fuck!!!!!!! That's why I called him to be the Judith Curry of medicine......great creds....dumber than you!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vacciiiiiiiiiiiiiine
I'm begging you, please go in my arm
Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vacciiiiiiiiiiiiiine
Please just keep me safe from covid harm
With spikey bursts of auburn hair
That covid, that corona emerald green
Your lockdowns took up all the spring, Vaccine
Your bubbles soft like summer rain
The whole world waits alone for you
Vaccine
We talk about you in our zooms
We're desperate to enter rooms
But safely, when we've taken you, Vaccine
And I can easily understand
Covid could just take my gran
But you don't know what she means to me, Vaccine
I had to have this talk with you
My happiness depends on you
And whatever you decide to do
Vaccine
One day we'll get on a plane
We'll gather in large groups again
We'll hug people once we get you done,
Vaccine
Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vacciiiiiiiiiiiiiine
I'm begging you, please go in my arm
Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vacciiiiiiiiiiiiiine
Please just keep us safe from covid harm
_________
by Gretchen McCulloch,
based on Dolly's great song, Jolene.
Have you finally decided to stop campaigning against mask wearing (as you did in the foolish thread below)?
---Yesterday in the Pence-led CDC Task Force briefing it was said again and again and again that the wearing of masks is a highly recommended measure, along with hand washing and social distancing.
Sorry Reverend...
I am not engaging in any campaign against anything... other than disinformation. I have no problem with people wearing masks, people washing hands, or people social distancing.
All the more power to you if it makes you happy.
But no amount of "recommendations" from anyone (be it Biden, Pence, Fauci, Jesus Christ, Allah, Buddha... or Blake Shelton from The Voice) changes the statistics or the actual studies that are showing that mask wearing is not silver bullet.
I know you rely on other peoples opinions and the words of politicians to guide your life decisions. If that is how you want to live, then I won't stop you. But I think more often than not, politicians have no clue what they are talking about and the so called "experts" are not exactly in agreement on most of this.
But knock yourself out... letting others think for you.
He’s knows more about Covid than a morbidly obese bookkeeper that attended a second rate community college
LOL
9:43 Cali is so far off the page of reasonable, rational thought it is pitiful.
He is the Trump Kool-Aid drinker par excellence.
Yesterday's Pence-led CDC meeting including Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci was an example of sanity.
Cali's 9:43 above is not.
And as Ch keeps doggedly showing
(see his 10:15),
he is not far behind.
other than disinformation.
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SPREAD YESTERDAY LIL SCHITTY!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! Follow the science if you can keep up!!!!! That times piece had more qualifiers and shit poor science from denmark which IMHO proved 1 thing.......their research at best sucked, like you!!!!!
Pedo I vote Dr Jo
You stupid old man
Ch kept saying, "Listen to Drs. Birx and Fauci" until he suddenly stopped saying that and sailed off into the sunset with Trump.
hate4vr said...
He’s knows more about Covid than a morbidly
BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! His opinion, nothing more you fucking UGA boi!!!!!!!! He is a pathologist, not a virologist like Fauci....I take Fauci's word over any piece of shit you find on the dark net of asshattery!!!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA You need a cock tail sport....I can see the veins popping in your neck!!!!
Any one here care to comment why trumps lawyer deny fraud charges when they are in the presence of a judge??????? There must be a good reason that even you know my simpleton Lil Schitty!!!!!
Dr Fauci also said fat old diabetic people like you are the one’s at risk
LMAO
The only problem UGA asshole Boi.....your diagnosis on my health is most amusing.....but for a simpleton like you, it must make you feel like a big man making shit up like that.....BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Keep up the juvenile insults....they fit your demeanor perfectly!!!!!!
EVEN THE ARCH CONSERVATIVE NATIONAL REVIEW HAS MORE COMMON SENSE AND DECENCY THAN HATE-FILLED CH AND CALI AND OTHERS HERE:
Trump’s Disgraceful Gambit
11:26 am EST
National Review:
“The Rudy Giuliani–led press conference at the RNC yesterday was the most outlandish and irresponsible performance ever by a group of lawyers representing a president of the United States.
“If Giuliani’s charge of a 'national conspiracy' to produce fraudulent votes in Democratic cities around the country wasn’t far-fetched enough, attorney Sidney Powell ratcheted it up with the allegation that Communist-designed election machinery was used to change the vote from a Trump landslide to a narrow Biden victory.
"An obvious question is why, if you can manipulate the vote count via machine, you’d need to bother with old-fashioned fraudulent ballots.
"Powell’s story is that the surprisingly strong Trump turnout 'broke the algorithm' of the corrupted machines, and then the fraudulent ballots were desperately hauled in to make up the difference.
“This is lawyering worthy of the comments section of Breitbart News.”
____________
IOW, for those of you who have understanding deficiency problems, it is lawyering that is OBVIOUSLY ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS.
Giuliani’s Son Tests Positive
11:33 am
Rudy Giuliani’s son Andrew announced he had tested positive for COVID-19, a day after he attended his father’s bizarre “election fraud” press conference, according to the New York Times.
Socialist Democrats became anti-vaxxer, The Hoe is the face of the movement.
As Trump team created the vaccine.
Rick Scott is another positive covid.....
Why are the Socialist Democrats here shocked that testing is working extremely well?
Personally I have never really understood why the President puts so much trust in Rudy Giuliani. Everything that guy has touched over the past four years has turned to shit and left skid marks.
I don't take any lawsuit put forth by Giuliani very seriously at this point. Moreover, as I have continued to argue... the manner in which election lawsuits work requires you to pretty much have evidence (ahead of time) to the degree that it changes election results.
The manner to determine whether there was fraud or tampering (and the chances are very high that there was) is by investigating it as intelligence or law enforcement... not by challenging the election results.
Those sorts of investigations are not going to overturn anything (which may upset certain people), but if they do uncover things, then maybe we can reduce issues in the future and the general public would have more confidence in the process as a whole.
Fatboi we know you are old obesity causes arthritis , which leads to joint replacements especially hips and most fatties are diabetic
I’d say I’m spot on
LMAO
personally I have never really understood why the President puts so much trust in Rudy Giuliani
BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Because trump is an ignorant asshole and rudy is a loyal friend you dumb shit!!!!!! Even though you ignore Rudy and his act.....there are many idiots in the country that believe what he is doing because they cannot filter out bullshit and think trump is God!!!!!!! Again, why hasn't the word voter fraud been entered into any of the court cases so far.....try and answer why that is Lil Schitty... And maybe you can finally say to the world....Biden won, trump lost instead of pussy footing around like a lame duck!!!!!!!!!!
One out of thousands of other experts disagree with him.
It doesn't matter.
Some scientists disagree with Einstein's theory of time is relative to speed.
You are just another troll squad asshole.
Quote of the Day
11:42 am
“He is undermining the very essence of democracy, which is:
You go to the poll, you vote and the people decide.
There’s no doubt that the people decided.
I think this borders on treason.”
— House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD), quoted by the Washington Post, on President Trump’s attempts to overturn the election results.
Merrick Garland Among Candidates For Attorney General
11:35 am
Federal appeals court Judge Merrick Garland is under consideration to serve as attorney general in the administration of President-elect Joe Biden, NPR reports.
Congratulations, welcome back to the reality universe.
Hey UGA loser boi.....I did not have arthritis .....I wore them out being an pretty decent athlete over the course of 50 years.....Again, I am sure you feel like a BIG BOI making shit up.....it really is a sign of your own insecurity and lack of talent!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Be heading back to the cabin for Xmas while you languish in your shit hole condo!!!!!!
A great choice
Hey UGA loser boi.....the only spot you have on is the shit stain in your drawers because you can't wipe your own worthless ass!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
and the chances are very high that there was.
But the odds of a massive deep state conspiracy to defeat the lame duck President are a million to one.
CH said:
"The manner to determine whether there was fraud or tampering (and the chances are very high that there was) is by investigating it as intelligence or law enforcement... not by challenging the election results."
___________
JamesNewLeaf says:
Tell us, Ch, what are the "very high" chances that fraud was rampant in this election?
You say "evidence" is important. What is your evidence for saying that?
Please do not lamely say, "Because as the (heavily Democratic) mail-in votes came in, the numbers for Biden began to rise."
Everyone knew ahead of time that would happen, including Trump.
So he tried and still tries (baselessly) to claim it represented fraud.
One out of thousands of other experts disagree with him.
I asked you to come up with an actual scientific study that shows that masks work.
The best you came up with was some "analysis" that suggested that states without mask mandate were showing lower rates of reduction (or something of that fashion).
The truth with that sort of analysis is that those are all a matter of timing. When the virus first started spreading on the coasts, we didn't know what to think. When the virus moved down into the sun belt states, then they all looked like they were doing it wrong (and everyone pointed at Florida and Arizona) in spite of other states having issues. Now that it's in the upper midwest and great lakes states, they are picking on the Dakotas (when Minnesota, Wisconsin and others having the same issues).
But the truth is that in each of these regions there were states struggling massively that were both heavily mandated and not so much. When you cumulate everything together from the start (and we can now say that the virus has blown up everywhere in the country at this point), there is still no evidence that people living under Democratic Governor mandates are doing better than GOP Governor rules.
On the flip side, our Governor started a mask mandate study that was designed to prove that local areas that were providing additional mandates had less cases, etc... than those local areas that were doing the bare minimum.
Guess what? They suspended or terminated the study and never released the results. Have to wonder why?
Bottom Line Roger:
There is no reason to disregard the Danish study (or other studies) that have concluded that there is very little gain to be made from wearing cloth or non-N95 paper masks. Because if you went back one year from now and asked medical doctors about these types of masks, they would tell you that they are not designed to keep out viruses.
Doesn't mean that they don't serve a purpose. That it might prevent people from touching their mouths or projecting sneezes across the room, but the actual virus that floats in the air is way too small to be stopped by a cloth or paper mask. That is simply a fact.
So it doesn't surprise me (and I doubt it surprises many medical doctors) that studies have concluded that mask mandates are not a silver bullet and will not shut down this virus.
It's incredibly dangerous to provide a false narrative that the only reason that this virus is blowing out of control right now is a lack of mask wearing. There is zero evidence of that... and common sense tells us that the virus was bound to blow up this time of the year...
No matter what we did.
By discouraging mail ballots probably hurt his chances during a pandemic.
History will prove you wrong
There is zero evidence of that... and common sense tells us that the virus was bound to blow up this time of the year...
The virus survives better in cold weather. There for it was bound to get worse.
Tell us, Ch, what are the "very high" chances that fraud was rampant in this election?
Sorry Reverend... But you are once again trying to twist what I said into something I didn't say.
To be clear, there is fraud and tampering in every election. Anyone who is naïve enough to not believe that is not to be taken seriously. The problem with fraud and tampering is that it's only addressed when it "changes the results" which gives people the impression that fraud and tampering is not fraud and tampering unless it costs someone an election.
Why was it that we had over a hundred people arrested and dozens charged with election crimes here in Minnesota the year of the Coleman Franken recount but hardly had any arrests in the elections prior and right after that? If it's not close, we turn a blind eye. That is wrong.
I don't believe Rudy Giuliani has any evidence of massive election fraud and I think his lawsuit(s) is/are a bust. From my understanding the Michigan lawsuit lists several Minnesota counties as having possible fraud. If that is true, and they cannot tell the difference between MN counties and MI counties... then it's a level of incompetence that proves my point about Giuliani.
Scott you are grasping for proof of your comments.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Scott you are grasping for proof of your comments.
show us specifically where he's wrong but providing more detail than your asshat proclamations.
alky, all you ever do is declare someone to be wrong, without EVER offering a single fucking detail that refutes their claim.
it's part and parcel of your invincible ignorance malady.
"I AM THE ALL POWERFUL ALKY AND I DECLARE YOU TO BE WRONG!!!"
"Wrong how exactly Mr. Alky?"
"HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE ALL POWERFUL ALKY!!!"
it's the pinnacle of boorish behavior.
Scott you are grasping for proof
My proof is in the numbers... which still show states with Democratic Governors have lost more people to Covid per capita than states with Republican Governors.
My proof is in the Danish (and other studies) that show that mask mandates are not a silver bullet and work marginally (if at all) to stop the spread of the virus.
My proof is in the actual physical make up of a cloth or paper mask that are simply not intended for the use of virus control. If they were, then your doctors and nurses wouldn't bother with N-95 type medical masks.
Our disagreement isn't with proof Roger.
Our disagreement is more fundamental. You like being told what to do by people whom you agree with. Whereas I prefer to do my own research and occasionally question "experts" who contradict themselves, do not follow their own rules, and have gotten almost nothing right so far.
Fauci Endorses and supports the vaccine.
Period.
truth:
Our disagreement isn't with proof Roger.
Our disagreement is more fundamental. You like being told what to do by people whom you agree with. Whereas I prefer to do my own research and occasionally question "experts" who contradict themselves, do not follow their own rules, and have gotten almost nothing right so far. CHT.
"Dominion Voting System Representatives Failed To Show Up For Pennsylvania Hearing"
Why, nothing was done worongly.
Pfizer Seeks Emergency Authorization for Vaccine
1:07 pm
Stat: “It is unclear how long the FDA will take to review the application, though the agency is expected to move swiftly. Agency officials have pledged to seek advice from an expert panel of outside experts…
“It is widely expected that the FDA will then issue an emergency use authorization for the two-dose vaccine, which has been shown to be highly effective in preventing Covid infections. Officials have said they hope to begin vaccination of health workers — who will be at the front of the line for the limited first doses — in some locations within days of the authorization.”
CH SAID:
My proof is in the numbers... which still show states with Democratic Governors have lost more people to Covid per capita than states with Republican Governors.
JamesNewLeaf says:
If you would continue to put the stats in your sidebar, we could see that for ourselves rather than take your word for it. We would also see whether the numbers in R governed states are rapidly overtaking the numbers in D governed states.
Ch, Pence and the CDC simply do not agree with you. Your problem is that you have abandoned real science for Trump cronyism.
Dominion Voting System Representatives Failed To Show Up For Pennsylvania Hearing"
Why, nothing was done worongly.
I see it 100% in reverse.
Our disagreement is more fundamental. You like being told what to do by people whom you agree with. Whereas I prefer to do my own research and occasionally question "experts" who contradict themselves, do not follow their own rules, and have gotten almost nothing right so far.
With zero exceptions you support the lame duck President.
I didn't think that ex President Obama was faultless.
Trump has lied 20,000 times.
You dismiss it because it was reported by the Washington Post. Because you believe the President said about the fake news.
JamesNewLeaf says:
If you would continue to put the stats in your sidebar, we could see that for ourselves rather than take your word for it.
too fucking stupid to look it up yourself, eh pederast?
You dismiss it because it was reported by the Washington Post. Because you believe the President said about the fake news.
the WaPo had a front page story on impeaching Trump up on their website at 12:19 PM, 01/20/2017.
only a fucking moron believes they are anything other than fake fucking news.
what reputable news outlet declares the need to impeach a president - any president - 19 fucking minutes into their administration?
🥂Warren, whose political career has been defined by efforts to diminish the power of big banks, is the progressive movement's top choice for Treasury secretary. Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, reiterated his desire to serve as Biden's Labor secretary on Thursday, describing himself as particularly well-suited "to focus on the many crises facing working families in this country."🍾
Joe , please do appoint them.
James , stop throwing a hissy fit.
Your Husband (clearly the man in your relationship) would be ashamed of you.
the WaPo had a front page story on impeaching Trump up on their website at 12:19 PM, 01/20/2017.
And only a fucking idiot like you would think that means anything.....When did McConnell call Obama to be a 1 term president???? Was that appropriate or did you jump on the bandwagon?????? bWAAAAAA
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