A lot has been made of the situations in Fulton and Gwinnett counties and the fact that both counties engaged in the election night action of leaving ballot counters behind to continue to count ballots "after" election poll watchers and other observers were sent home. I don't really feel that this can really be disputed anymore.
- We have seen the video in Fulton. There is no mistaking that the ballot counters were working without supervision. There is no mistaking that they pulled ballot boxes from under a table "after" everyone had left, that arguably appear "hidden". Whether or not this was innocent business as usual or a nefarious plot to cheat is a matter of opinion.
- In Gwinnett we know that election poll watchers were sent home because of water main leak. There has been no actual evidence that there ever really was a main water leak and no evidence that anyone fixed such a leak. We also know that Gwinnett county sent updated totals to the SOS website "after" those poll watchers left, making it pretty much a good bet that they also were there counting ballots.
The one thing we know for certain is that Joe Biden won big in these two counties. But we also know that he was expected to win big in these two counties, just as Democrats have always won big. We also know that big city counts were hit and miss for Biden across the country. In some places he appeared to struggle, even against 2016. In other places... well we have this:
To use a simple example. If you have 1000 potential voters and in one election you got 75% turnout. That would mean that 750 voted and 250 did not.
To get to 80% you would need to convince 20% of the 250 non-voters (or an additional 50) to vote this time which would bring you to 80% and leave only 200 non-voters left.
But now get to 85% turnout you would still need 50 more voters, but that is now 25% of what is left (50 out of 200), rather than only 20% (50 out of 250). Also you are down to only 150 non-voters left. To get to 90%, it now requires you to garner a third of the non-voters (50 out of 150). To get to 95% would require half of all the remaining non-voters, etc, etc...
So it's not a linear thing. The difference between a 20% increase in turnout and nearly a 30% increase in turnout is an extremely significant difference. That extra 10% percent required a huge number of the remaining non-voters to come out. This percentage of increase is also makes it harder when Trump is also increasing his own vote total, because it make it less likely that Biden flipped many voters (which is generally needed to see such big gains).
But Gwinnett? To see a nearly 46% increase in votes for one candidate as we did in Gwinnett is a herculean task of statistical significance.
But was it consistent?
Well in Dekalb county, another big Democratic stronghold in Georgia where we did not garner any complaints about broken water pipes or late night unsupervised ballot county, we saw this:
Biden still did better than Trump in his improvement over 2016 (21% to 14%), but the numbers were much more consistent with what we saw in the election as a whole, and what we typically saw in most big Democratic countries across the country.
So what would have happened if Fulton and Gwinnett had similar numbers as Dekalb? Well we would have seen about 64,000 less Biden votes and approximately the same amount of Trump votes. We would have seen a Trump victory and likely David Perdue stays over 50% and avoids the run-off.
Looking at some of the medium sized counties where Biden and Clinton did well, you see similar numbers, with the percentage of increase being both smaller for Biden and trending more equally between the two candidates. These also look more like the rest of the election numbers.
So yeah, there is a statistical cause for suspicion in those two particular counties, and as they say... there is no such thing as coincidence.
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No, there were no 'suitcases of ballots' counted in secret.
The most viral claim from the hearing is a 90-second clip of surveillance footage from Fulton County's tabulation center set up at State Farm Arena. Culled from hours of vote counting, the short clip allegedly shows election workers bringing suitcases of ballots out from underneath a table to be counted in secret after Republican monitors were told to go home.
But that's not what was shown and the claims misunderstand the laws and rules around counting.
State and county officials, including investigators for the secretary of state's office, said that the video clip making the rounds show the normal tabulation process. No monitors were told to leave, but Republican monitors and members of the media left when some election employees called "cutters" wrapped up for the night.
Georgia law § 21-2-408 spells out the rules for partisan poll watchers, allowing them to be present and monitor aspects of the elections process. But having monitors there is not required — and in fact, Democrats did not have monitors present at that time.
As for the so-called suitcase full of ballots allegedly removed from under the table? It was empty, the state's investigator said.
"There wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under the table," Frances Watson told Lead Stories. "It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table."
Furthermore, elections officials say there was nothing abnormal about the tabulation of ballots shown on the video.
"What the video shows is that they have pulled out plastic bins from underneath the desks," Fulton elections director Rick Barron said Friday morning. "It was normal processing that occurred there, as Gabe Sterling from the state explained this morning."
Sterling, the state's voting system implementation manager, said that investigators for the state watched the full surveillance video from Election Day and said those bins of ballots were already there and accounted for earlier in the day, while both monitors and the media were there.
A monitor appointed by the state election board had also briefly left and returned at 11:52 p.m. and another state investigator was there starting at 12:15 a.m. The final ballots were scanned around 12:43 a.m.
So no ballots were illegally counted in secret, there was no "suitcase" of ballots being added into the totals. The clip is misleading and the claims untrue.
https://www.gpb.org/news/2020/12/04/fact-checking-rudy-giulianis-grandiose-georgia-election-fraud-claim
We have seen the video in Fulton. There is no mistaking that the ballot counters were working without supervision. There is no mistaking that they pulled ballot boxes from under a table "after" everyone had left, that arguably appear "hidden". Whether or not this was innocent business as usual or a nefarious plot to cheat is a matter of opinion.
Culled from hours of vote counting, the short clip allegedly shows election workers bringing suitcases of ballots out from underneath a table to be counted in secret after Republican monitors were told to go home.
But that's not what was shown and the claims misunderstand the laws and rules around counting.
https://www.gpb.org/news/2020/12/04/fact-checking-rudy-giulianis-grandiose-georgia-election-fraud-claim
So it's not a linear thing. The difference between a 20% increase in turnout and nearly a 30% increase in turnout is an extremely significant difference. That extra 10% percent required a huge number of the remaining non-voters to come out.
You are claiming that the 10% increase was fraudulent ballots. You have zero evidence to support your allegations.
stolen.
straight up.
As you get higher, each individual percentage point requires you to garner a much higher percentage of the previous "non-voters" that are left.
The turnout rate increased because a very high percentage of them voted against Trump.
Your not the only person who can analyze a situation like this.
You start your analysis with the intent to find fraud instead of a cold hearted analyst.
But like most politicians, you found what you wanted to see.
I don’t know when Gwinnett went blue. I was born and raised in Lilburn went to Parkview HS, that was one of the reddest counties in this state. It was full of Northeasterners that left over busing and the rust belt after Carter crushed the economy. It was the one of fastest growing counties in the country for 20 years from the late 70’s to early 90’s. 72,000 pop in 1970 to 950k now.
I rarely venture out there anymore since my grandparents passed and their farms, in Snellville and Lawrenceville, became cookie cutter housing developments.
The water leak was originally reported as a burst pipe, but days later officials corrected themselves to say it was a leaky toilet spilling water into a room with ballots early on Election Day.
“It looked really like there was rain coming out of the ceiling and the entire carpeting was just covered in water,” Fulton elections head Richard Barron said previously.
It wasn't a deep state conspiracy to count thousands of ballots in favor of Biden.
https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/georgia-opens-2-investigations-into-fultons-elections-operations/EVCBN4ZJTZELPDHMH63POL3RKQ/
Take this to a court hearing and the judge would laugh out loud at you Scott!
So it's not a linear thing. The difference between a 20% increase in turnout and nearly a 30% increase in turnout is an extremely significant difference. That extra 10% percent required a huge number of the remaining non-voters to come out. This percentage of increase is also makes it harder when Trump is also increasing his own vote total, because it make it less likely that Biden flipped many voters (which is generally needed to see such big gains).
You are claiming that the 10% increase was fraudulent ballots
Did I? Where exactly did I claim that that the 10% was fraudulent ballots?
I am simply suggesting that a nearly 30% increase in vote totals in Fulton County and the 45% increase in Gwinnett did not exist in the other large and medium to large Pro-Democratic counties.
I am also suggesting that such large increases are much more difficult to statistically justify when we are talking the difference between 20% and 30% or even 45%. If we were going looking at the baseline normal increase being 5% across the board, then 15% or 20% would actually be less suspicious (even if it appears statistically higher).
So what I am doing, Roger...
Is pointing out that in the exact same counties that appeared to have defied the SOS office and continued to count after everyone else was sent home both showed very high number of Biden votes that appear statistically improbable.
You can choose to believe what you want about them... but it's obvious that just laying out these facts makes you believe that these facts suggest fraud...
or you wouldn't accuse me of suggesting it (when I didn't).
To see a nearly 46% increase in votes for one candidate as we did in Gwinnett is a herculean task of statistical significance.
When you analyze the vote patterns show that many people split their votes, against Trump, but for Republicans for the state government, because they are sick and tired of the lame duck President .
It's apparent every where!
Take this to a court hearing and the judge would laugh out loud at you Scott!
Which is why I wouldn't bring it to a "Judge".... because it doesn't "legally" prove anything. But I promise you that people like Trende would understand "exactly" what my point is, because he is educated and statistically savvy.
Why is this SOOOO hard for you to grasp? Are you running a little heavy on the meds this morning?
Is pointing out that in the exact same counties that appeared to have defied the SOS office and continued to count after everyone else was sent home both showed very high number of Biden votes that appear statistically improbable.
You can choose to believe what you want about them... but it's obvious that just laying out these facts makes you believe that these facts suggest fraud...
or you wouldn't accuse me of suggesting it (when I didn't).
It's implied. Because you want to discredit the election.
It's a very subtle thing and I saw it!
It's apparent every where!
Actually as I just showed you...
It isn't apparent "anywhere" else in Georgia, except Gwinnett.
So your entire argument is based on an incorrect assumption, that also proves you never actually "read" anything.
Is there a statistical reason Lil Schitty keeps going down the rabbit hole and accept tump lost and biden won????? Fulton County videos proved nothing other than people opining what MAY have happened????? Since none of this evidence has yet to be presented in court by people a lot smarter than Lil Schitty.....arguing about it amongst 4 partisans will only prove nothing!!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! IOW....Who gives a fuck if Trende understands you.....it still proves shit!!!!!!
So your trying to impress Sean Trende so you might get published on RVC!
As to a court decision, the only was to reverse the election, it would have to go through the courts.
You should see a psychologist who can help you find reality again.
It's implied.
Then apparently the facts imply it... I am just the messenger, Roger.
Unless you have something that isn't completely 100% false (like claiming that the 45% increase in Gwinnett happened "everywhere") - perhaps you should just shut up.
Otherwise you might spend the next several days doing something like arguing that you understand Section 230 better than Zuckerberg, Twitter executives, the lawyers for social media companies, and the Judges who have ruled on this.
You know... like you embarrassingly did for several days this last week?
I read your post before I said anything.
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stolen.
straight up.
BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! Democracy sure sucks to trump losers like you!!!!!!
Roger you’ve done this for several days in a row. There were two “water main breaks” one in Gwinnett and one in Fulton. Your article addresses the leaky toilet at Statefarm arena in FULTON, there is no evidence of any water leaking in GWINNETT still that’s what observers were told
am just the messenger, Roger.
And a pretty fucking dumb one to boot!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!! BTW.... you think you are the smartest here....I find that mostly amusing!!!!!
So your trying to impress Sean Trende so you might get published on RVC!
Another interesting deal... back when I was blogging on my old format (as primarily just a single blogger) I got posts linked to Real Clear Politics several times. Even before Trende was a writer there.
Since this blog became a cesspool of nonsense and moved to this free format, I get no love anymore from them (or much of anyone).
That being said, I have had my tweets published on Twitchy and some other mainstream sites. Perhaps that is the way to go... just Tweet and stop blogging?
I read your post before I said anything.
So then you didn't understand it, huh?
Were there too many words and not enough pictures?
Just because I disagree with anyone else means that I am incapable of thinking according to you.
Because you believe that, shows how incapable of thinking you have become.
When I look at statistics from the various states, I don't have an agenda.
You do.
FDR routinely used Cocaine.
Sure glad the mouth of the south cleared up that water leak....>>BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! And we were also told by the R Sof S that the Georgia count was accurate after 2 counts!!!!!! Why is everyone arguing over a bullshit doctored video???????
The 2020 Stolen Election is fact.
Just like the stolen election Of 1960.
Both Stolen by Democrats.
The 2020 Stolen Election is fact.
Just like the stolen election Of 1960.
Both Stolen by Democrats.
I read 500 wpm. I'm gifted with an almost photographic memory.
It came in handy in construction!
I did most of the layout and showed the other guys what they had to do.
deal... back when I was blogging on my old format (as primarily just a single blogger) I got posts linked to Real Clear Politics several times.
Now there is a holy I don't give a shit statistic!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! I once authored a 1000 page subcontractor risk assessment for a major DOD proposal that my company won!!!!!!!!!
Kputz shut the fuck up.
Did FDR use cocaine before his “Infamy” speech?
Right now you are probably thinking that this is a ridiculous question. Actually, it’s not.
There is a good chance that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt was given cocaine before his famous “Day of Infamy” speech.
On December 7th and 8th, FDR was suffering from a severe sinus infection. His doctor and friend Ross T. McIntire was with him to treat the problem.
Dr. McIntire’s intent was to improve his patient’s ability to breathe by decreasing the swelling of nasal mucosa without causing crusting.
It is not known exactly what procedure was that McIntire used to decrease swelling in the President’s nose. He was seen using cotton swabs, and it is likely that he also irrigated the sinuses by putting a needle up the nose and injecting saline into the sinus cavity.
At the time, it was common for doctors to use cocaine in these treatments. Cocaine was illegal for recreational use in the United States, but it was legal in medical treatments. Cocaine would shrink the tissue, giving the patient quick relief. It also numbed the area making the insertion of the needle less painful.
Again, we do not know for certain whether or not Dr. McIntire used cocaine when treating FDR’s sinus infection, but we know that he received medical treatment to ease his suffering during his “Day of Infamy” speech.
If he had used cocaine, it would have been highly diluted, most likely not having any noticeable affect or measurable impact on the President. Furthermore, it is believed that if FDR used cocaine he would not have been told.
There are two reasons why President Roosevelt would not be told of the treatments. First, it was common to not tell patients who were administered cocaine, in the belief that by not telling them they would be less likely to become addicted.
Second, being a sensitive topic, Dr. McIntire would not have wanted to expose his friend to any political controversy.
We may never know whether FDR used cocaine. But we do know that it was a great speech.
https://visitpearlharbor.org/faqs/did-fdr-used-cocaine/
I'm gifted with an almost photographic memory.
Who’s the Secretary of Justice?
Attorney General
I'm not perfect
Scott, I looked at those
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All of them had a huge percentage increase, for both sides.
But taking one county is questionable, it's a long reach to question that specific county.
This percentage of increase is also makes it harder when Trump is also increasing his own vote total, because it make it less likely that Biden flipped many voters (which is generally needed to see such big gains).
But Gwinnett? To see a nearly 46% increase in votes for one candidate as we did in Gwinnett is a herculean task of statistical significance.
It's a matter of judgment.
The top two experts in election security both Republicans, don't find significant evidence.
IMNSHO you are grasping for straws.
Trump Calls Kemp to Pressure Him to Overturn Vote
2:01 pm EST
“President Trump called Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) on Saturday morning to urge him to persuade the state legislature to overturn President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in the state and asked the governor to order an audit of absentee ballot signatures, the latest brazen effort by the president to interfere in the 2020 election,” the Washington Post reports.
“Hours before he is scheduled to hold a rally in Georgia on behalf of the state’s two GOP senators, Trump pressed Kemp to call a special session of the state legislature to get lawmakers to override the results and appoint electors that would back him… He also asked the governor to demand an audit of signatures on mail ballots, something Kemp has previously noted he has no power to do.
“Kemp declined the entreaty from Trump.”
Just because I disagree with anyone else means that I am incapable of thinking according to you.
When you specifically say that a 46% increase in vote total for Biden over Clinton happened "everywhere" - that isn't a disagreement with me.
That is a statement of fact that you have zero ability to back up with any evidence that it's true.
Just like yesterday when you suggested (without any evidence) that the surveillance tape was doctored..
If I were to say that 46% increase in his vote total proves that there were fraudulent votes counted. That would be an opinion that you could disagree with.
But the fact that 46% increase in vote total is statistically improbable and an anomaly (as in it didn't happen in other large counties in Georgia) - that is not an opinion... and without showing me all of the other large Georgia counties where this happened (Hint, there are none) - you cannot say you are "disagreeing".
At that point, you are just obstinately refusing to accept the data for what it is.
I guess Trump will accuse Kemp (R Gov.) of COLLUDING with the Democrats to give them a victory.
I just found someone who agreed with rrb and kputz and ballsless!
CASPER, Wyo. — A Wyoming Department of Health official involved in the state's response to the coronavirus questioned the legitimacy of the pandemic and described a forthcoming vaccine as a biological weapon at a recent event.
The “so-called pandemic” and efforts to develop a vaccine are plots by Russia and China to spread communism worldwide, department readiness and countermeasures manager Igor Shepherd said at the Nov. 10 event held by the group Keep Colorado Free and Open.
The anomaly doesn't prove anything.
I'm going to check his Twitter tirade!
I will easily & quickly win Georgia if Governor @BrianKempGA or the Secretary of State permit a simple signature verification. Has not been done and will show large scale discrepancies. Why are these two “Republicans” saying no? If we win Georgia, everything else falls in place!
Even some Republicans didn't agree on his Twitter feed
The governor hung up on the lame duck President!
He's going to Georgia tonight. He is going to make it more difficult for the two Republican Senator candidates in a close race!
Trump again acting like a dictator wanting kemp to help overturn the Ga election....!!!!!!! Give Kemp credit, as much as I can, to toeing the line against the lying tyrant wannabe !!!!!! How you assholes can still support the lying whore monger defies my ability to understand what is wrong with you!!!!!! See AJC for story!!!!!
Dystopian Socialism
"“We’re likely to lose another 250,000 people dead between now and January,” Biden said.
Harris and biden are anti-vax, prior to the Election.
Fact checking the video Lil Schitty was cuming all over himself .......BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
e with a few years’ experience in municipal management knows: When you’re looking to steal an election, you place the suitcases under the table.
Of course, there’s another explanation, one offered on Friday by Fulton County Director of Registration and Elections Richard L. Barron: “According to my staff, that’s just normal," he said in a Friday meeting of the Fulton County Board of Registration and Elections. The room where those staffers were processing ballots wasn’t big enough for all their equipment plus the media, explained Barron.
Okay, but what about booting the observers, as Hannity alleged? “No one from my staff made an announcement for anyone to leave,” said Barron.
As to the conspiratorial thrill of calling the containers “suitcases”: “Those are bins,” said Barron.
Gabriel Sterling, Georgia’s voting system implementation manager, tweeted that state investigators had watched hours of the video. “Shows normal ballot processing,” he wrote.
Frances Watson, chief investigator for the Georgia secretary of state, said the black bins were standard for election-processing activities. As to why election officials were pulling out the bins late on the evening of Nov. 3: They had stowed them away as they completed work for the evening. Then they received orders to continue their work — so they grabbed the bins and scanned the ballots inside of them.
The “suitcase” hatchet job is following the same arc as many Trump conspiracies at Fox News: Credulous, pro-Trump propaganda on the opinion hours, checked by actual reporting from the news side of the network. A story on FoxNews.com, for instance, details the refutations of top Georgia officials, right below embedded video of Hannity and the tagline: “Hannity: New video shows suspicious activity in Nevada, Georgia.” The juxtaposition yields a screenshot that encapsulates the central Trump-era conflict at Fox News:
Fox News correspondent Griff Jenkins reported the denials of Georgia officials throughout Friday.
Without knowing those procedures, it’s pretty tough to identify a fraudulent departure from them. Never underestimate guys like Carlson and Hannity, though — they are election-procedure hobbyists. They know suitcase-abetted fraud when they see it. No need to investigate much further.
In a follow-up on his Friday night program, Carlson showcased that cockiness, caring not a whit that the presence of “suitcases” had been amply debunked. “Last night we showed you surveillance footage shot from inside the State Farm Arena in Atlanta on election night, Nov. 3," said Carlson. “The tape appears to show poll workers retrieving suitcases full of ballots from underneath a table and doing that well past midnight. Keep in mind poll watchers were told to go home at around 10:30 p.m. What was that? It looks like fraud. So we asked.”
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The answer — that this was “normal ballot processing” — didn’t please Carlson.
People interested in “good government,” said Carlson, should want to know more about this situation. Carlson himself read a number of such questions that, he said, were supplied by a lawyer “involved in the Trump legal effort, but any person who thought about it for 10 minutes could have come up with them."
“We’re going to keep pressing till we find out," said Carlson.
Good job, investigative ace Tucker Carlson — the same fellow who recently apologized for falsely claiming that a dead man voted in this same state. Questions, of course, are wonderful. But perhaps it would be best to collect all the answers before saying things like, “It looks like fraud.”
Read more from Erik Wemple:
Kayleigh McEnany isn’t aware of anything
Good opinion column fatboi
Brown Shirt Biden
" said if he is elected he'd be the "most progressive president in history"
His bat shit Radical Cabinet is proof.
Great post mouth of the south......BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! I suppose Sterling and Watson were all lying.......asshole!!!!!!! Even in your world, that was not opinion!!!!! Sorry loser....at least they are honorable..., unlike you!!!
Why is it on the opinion page?
Fatboi
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/05/bogus-suitcase-story-rolls-away-fox-news/
Since fatty couldn’t provide the link
Yep I stole it from there!!!!!! Does that change what Watson or Sterling said??????? BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!! The piece was directed at faux news which seems to be beyond your ability to comprehend!!!!!!!! That was the opinion they were proffering base on facts from Ga officials.....LOLOLOLOLOL Keep digging you dumb fuck!!!!!!!
The CDC said that kputz
The mouth of the south refilling his vodka tonic to help him through the rest of trumps stupidity!!!!!!
CDC
update released Thursday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that forecasts thousands of new COVID-19 deaths in the United States over the next four weeks, including an estimated 9,500 to 19,500 deaths the week of Christmas alone.
Kellyanne Conway says the party is probably over for her former boss and that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will likely be moving into the White House in January.
“The president wants to exhaust all of his legal avenues, as he has made clear many times. His team is doing that, and that is his right,” Conway said during an interview with The 19th, a news website.
“If you look at the vote totals in the Electoral College tally, it looks like Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will prevail,” she continued. “I assume the electors will certify that and it will be official. We, as a nation, will move forward, because we always do.”
How long before he Twitter tirade?
I knew this was coming from the Lame duck President
Between Governor Doug Ducey of Arizona and Governor Brian Kemp of Georgia, the Democrat Party could not be happier. They fight harder against us than do the Radical Left Dems. If they were with us, we would have already won both Arizona and Georgia. We received more LEGAL votes by far. All I can do is run, campaign, and be a good (great!) President – it is 100% up to the states to manage the election. Republicans will NEVER forget this.
Namita Singh
Fri, December 4, 2020, 12:38 AM EST
<p>Roger Stone, former adviser and confidante to US President Donald Trump, leaves the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia after being sentenced February 20, 2020 in Washington, DC.</p> (Getty Images)
You can tell a lot about people by the idiots they call friends.......BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Roger Stone, former adviser and confidante to US President Donald Trump, leaves the Federal District Court for the District of
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In a new set of unsubstantiated allegations of voter fraud, Roger Stone, a longtime friend and a former adviser to President Donald Trump on Thursday said that North Korea interfered in the US presidential elections.
Appearing on far-right radio programme The Alex Jones Show, Mr Stones claimed that there was “incontrovertible evidence” that the votes were brought into the US through Maine. He didn’t present any himself.
"I just learned of absolute incontrovertible evidence of North Korean boats delivering ballots through a harbour in Maine, the state of Maine," he said.
There's even more incontrovertible evidence that space aliens delivered millions of ballots.
Why Do So Many Think the Election Was Stolen?
5:11 pm
Ross Douthat: “Anyone familiar with his career could have predicted that he would claim to have been cheated out of victory. Anyone watching how he wielded power (or, more often, didn’t) as president could have predicted that his efforts to challenge the election results would be embarrassing, ridiculous and dismissed with prejudice in court. And anyone watching how the Republican Party dealt with his ascent could have predicted that its leaders would mostly avoid directly rebuking him, relying instead on the inertial forces of American democracy, the conscientiousness of judges and local officialdom, and Trump’s own incompetence to turn back his final power grab.
“So far, so predictable. But speaking as a cynical observer of the Trump era, one feature of November did crack my jaded shell a bit: not his behavior or the system’s response, but the sheer scale of the belief among conservatives that the election was really stolen, measured not just in polling data but in conversations and arguments, online and in person, with people I would not have expected to embrace it.”
Eventually even the fanatic German supporters of Hitler were forced to ask, How could we EVER have done that?
Inside Trump’s Continuing Failing Lawsuits
4:54 pm
Rick Hasen: “Three weeks ago, I and others in the election law field determined that Trump’s path to use lawsuits to overturn the results of the election were dead. The campaign had uncovered no significant fraud or irregularities and none of the states where Trump lost were close enough that a recount could plausibly change the results of the election. By one count, Trump has lost 46 of his lawsuits and won only one minor one, in PA.
“But the lawsuits keep coming and coming. They make much more sense when one thinks of them as about grift and delegitimizing the upcoming Biden presidency.”
Trump Wants Names of Republicans Who Say Biden Won
4:08 pm
President Trump demanded to know who the Republican lawmakers were who acknowledged President-elect Joe Biden as the winner of the presidential election when they were asked by the Washington Post.
The newspaper has since updated the count to 27 Republicans.
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Will they be marched out at dawn and shot?
"over the next four weeks, including an estimated 9,500 to 19,500 deaths the week of Christmas alone."
Far short of Brown Shirt Biden "250,000"
Additional deaths by Jan. 1st, 2021.
How come there was only voter & election fraud in the states Biden won , but none of the other states? Are people that stupid???
From today until January 1st 250,000 is very possible. Next week the Thanksgiving holiday numbers will be terrible news kputz.
Pirro Calls Barr a ‘Reptile’ for Not Backing Trump
10:16 pm EST
Jeanine Pirro lashed out at Attorney General Barr for not finding the voter fraud in the presidential election that President Trump falsely claims cost him victory.
Said Pirro: “And you, Mr. Barr, are so deep in the swamp, you can’t see beyond your fellow reptiles. And you are not the exceptional leader needed at this exceptional time in history.”
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Yes, Barr refuses exceptionally to lie for the sake of the exceptionally biggest liar we have ever had in the presidency.
FOR EXAMPLE,
Defiant Trump Insists Election Was ‘Rigged’
9:58 pm
“President Trump on Saturday stumped for Republican candidates in Georgia’s Senate runoff elections at a rally during which he repeatedly and falsely insisted that he won the Peach State and the 2020 election,” The Hill reports.
Said Trump:
“You must go vote and vote early starting December 14. You have to do it. They cheated and they rigged our presidential election, but we will still win it. We will still win it. We’ll still win it. And they’re going to try and rig this election, too.”
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USA Today:
“Trump did promote incumbent Georgia Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler –- whose Jan. 5 re-election bids will decide control of the Senate -– but framed most of the rally around his own legacy and false allegations about the election.”
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Atlanta Journal Constitution:
Trump tells GOP in Georgia to vote in “rigged” election.
Remember when there were peals of laughter on this blog when it was predicted that the death count in our land could reach 400,000? We are now approaching 300,000, and have a long way to go before we can hope for a vaccine to begin to slow the rate of deaths.
Ch is too ashamed to continue posting the total Covid cases and deaths in his sidebar.
He was one of those who kept saying it was all overblown and was little more than the typical flu.
I have stats on the side Reverend...
We are almost at 7000 deaths for people under 45.
But the problem now is that places like Illinois have a bunch of moron citizens and stupid leadership who apparently are ordering everyone to not wear masks or something.
I mean, otherwise why else would they have 235 deaths reported today?
Got to be stupid fucking leadership with stupid fucking Illinois citizens?
Bonkers
Before a crowd of around 2,000, Trump, who was accompanied by first lady Melania Trump, spent most of his roughly 90-minute speech casting doubt on the credibility of the presidential election, which he lost to President-elect Joe Biden, while occasionally remembering to boost Perdue and Loeffler. At times he lapsed back into his stump speech from the presidential campaign, blaming China for the COVID-19 pandemic and taking a few half-hearted swipes at Biden’s son Hunter.
President Donald Trump shares the stage with U.S. Sens. Kelly Loeffler, R-Ga., and David Perdue, R-Ga., who are both facing runoff elections Saturday, Dec. 5, 2020 during a rally in Valdosta, Ga. (Ben Gray/AP)More
He falsely said he won Georgia and repeated discredited allegations of voter fraud, such as the debunked claim that more ballots were counted than voters, but also cautioned that if conservatives don’t support the Republican senators at the polls, “the radical left wins.”
"The answer to the Democrat fraud is not to stay at home,” he said. “That's what Nancy Pelosi and [Chuck] Schumer, that's what they want you to do: 'Stay at home. Just stay at home.' If you want to do something to them — I don't want to use the word 'revenge,' but it is a certain revenge — you show up and vote in record numbers. That's what you have to do."
But staying home is just what two self-proclaimed Trump loyalists, attorneys Lin Wood and Sidney Powell, urged Georgians to do at a “Stop the Steal” rally on Wednesday. Wood criticized Perdue and Loeffler for their absence and told the crowd to boycott the runoff unless Georgia’s governor, Brian Kemp, and the secretary of state, both Republicans, intervened in the ballot-counting process to deliver the state’s 16 electoral votes to Donald Trump.
“Do not be fooled twice,” he said. “This is Georgia, we ain’t dumb. We’re not going to go vote on Jan. 5 on another machine made by China. You’re not going to fool Georgians again,” he said, to cheers from the crowd.
Without mentioning Wood and Powell by name, Trump told the crowd “Don’t listen to my friends, just go out” and vote.
"Know this. You will be remembered for your silence. You will be remembered for being complicit in one man's attempt to take down the country you profess to love."
The Stench of Rogers old decaying life and his Daily Kos.
No Vote, No Say in what goes on in the USA.
"Ali Velshi is a Canadian television journalist"
Roger's hero.
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