In a stunning reversal that no doubt left Nancy Pelosi and the Democrat Party, CNN, PMSNBC, The New York Times, et al. crestfallen, the Department of Justice late Friday walked back an earlier assertion that Capitol rioters planned to “capture and assassinate” Vice President Mike Pence, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and other lawmakers.
The Justice Department official in charge of the investigation said there is no “direct evidence” of “kill and capture teams” among the pro-Trump rioters inside the Capitol.
Michael Sherwin, acting U.S. attorney for Washington, D.C., referenced claims made in a court filing by federal prosecutors as part of their argument that Jake Chansley — AKA: Jake Angeli, “The QAnon Shaman,” “Yellow Wolf” — an Arizona man who sported a horned hat and face paint during the siege, should remain detained until his trial.
So apparently the Justice Departments does not want to be associated with the now famous line making the rounds in political circles:
“Strong evidence, including Chansley’s own words and actions at the Capitol, supports that the intent of the Capitol rioters was to capture and assassinate elected officials in the United States Government.”
Again, this appears to be something having to do with the forgotten concept of the law and what can and cannot legally be used to prove something.
“We do not want to mislead the court by discussing the strength of any specific evidence” related to Chansley’s intent, Allison said.
The bigger problem is that the statement appears to not only discuss the strength of the evidence against Chansley, but also suggests that the Justice Department has strong evidence against the rioters in general. Something that they most certainly do not have.
They are also claiming that there is confusion regarding what is the official position of the investigation and what certain officials within the investigation might personally believe. I think the bigger issue is that prosecutors are not CNN fake news personalities. They are required to stick with the legal facts, even if they do not otherwise jive with the political rhetoric surrounding the situation. Some of them will understand this, but some of them continuously seem not to.
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I knew Scott would jump on this ever since I saw it this morning:
U.S. Takes Back Claim Rioters Wanted to ‘Capture’ Officials
9:26 am
“Justice Department prosecutors have formally walked back their assertion in a court filing that said Capitol rioters sought to ‘capture and assassinate elected officials,'” CNN reports.
“A federal prosecutor in Arizona asked a magistrate judge in a hearing on Friday to strike the line in a recent court filing about defendant Jacob Anthony Chansley, a man who is alleged to have led some in the crowd in the first wave into the Capitol with a bullhorn while carrying a spear and wearing a fur headdress.”
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Trouble is, there's a lot of evidence that violence WAS intended.
"Where are they countin' the votes," some of the assailants called out as they were aggressively following a Capitol police officer who purposefully misled them in a direction AWAY from where some officials were hiding.
"Hang Pence!" others were crying out.
Others had brought snap ties (similar to handcuffs) with them.
No harm or captures intended?
Sure it was.
"Roger AmickJanuary 16, 2021 at 11:32 AM
The Audi thing was a game played on Facebook.
I never really wanted an Audi. Nice cars.
I never drove one."
For good reason.
And the other 3 Goals for 2020?
1, Big home.
2, Big bank acct.
3, Super model GF/Wife
Give us those updates?
And see the reasoning for removing the wording linking the horned, spear-wielding person with possible wider intentions to do harm:
“We do not want to mislead the court by discussing the strength of any specific evidence” related to Chansley’s intent..."
That statement Scott distorts when he says:
"The bigger problem is that the statement appears to not only discuss the strength of the evidence against Chansley, but also suggests that the Justice Department has strong evidence against the rioters in general. Something that they most certainly do not have."
How does Scott know that?
No, Scott distorts what they say, as he often does, for they are simply saying they do not want to link evidence they may have against this one individual with evidence they may have against the rioters in general.
How does Scott know that?
I don't know Reverend?
Perhaps it's because the statement referred to the "intent of the Capital rioters" rather than just the intent of Chansley?
Again the issue with that pesky law deal, and that pesky constitution, that pesky concept of having to prove someone is guilty (when they are assumed innocent), and that pesky concept that you cannot use evidence against "one person" to convict a completely different person of a crime.
So they could have 23 billion statements on social media that supposedly planned a coup, but if none of those 23 billion statement are specifically tied to those they arrested, then those 23 billion social media posts are irrelevant.
I know... hard to understand. Especially for those who get their legal opinions from Political.wire.com
Voter suppression still exists" Alky
Really in what country?
Surely , not the USA.
Hang Pence was being shouted by agitators who were upset by Pence saying he was not going to invoke the 25th amendment
As well as agitators being used by CNN
but whatever, guess they are OK
but whatever, guess they are OK
What a particularly dumb argument...
To argue that a riot is not legally an insurrection and that a Presidential speech that specific calls for a peaceful demonstration is not "incitement"...
Has nothing to do with whether or not rioting is "okay" - much less an argument that the riots were "okay".
What a particularly dumb argument...
You mean like yours about the pesky trump repeating and inciting those rioters to invade the capital like you claim they are innocent of????????
You are giving the demonstrators veracity.
It was sedition
Scott
In running in fear from him you are running from a corpse. And you’ll never be safe anyway. Something wild has been let loose. So be brave. The Democrats want you tied to Mr. Trump forever. Stop, now.
Peggy Noonan
I end with—well, my imagination. But I’ve got a hunch. We’ve got the simmering, resentful, enraged man in the White House, a man who due to his position is dangerous. You never know what he’s going to do. That’s why no one in America has had a normal sleep pattern since Jan. 5.
And yet—systems are maintaining. It’s as if sane, good people have set themselves to making sure everything is smooth, not endangered by a mad person. Perhaps this has to do with some of those who have been endlessly put down the past five years—governmental servants. The sober, boring people who don’t say they’re patriots but are patriots. I have a feeling we will look back—in time, after journalists and historians do their work—and find that some very specific people were deeply protective of their country. And maybe the 25th Amendment figuratively kicked in, informally, almost spontaneously, quietly. I am guessing a network of souls are quietly doing their jobs, establishing protocols of safety, wordlessly nodding as they keep their hand on the tiller. They’ve taken the keys from the drunk, so quietly he doesn’t even know. I’m imagining a mix of people—deputy secretaries and assistants to assistants and generals and some elected officials. Nancy Pelosi nattered on about how she’s on the horn with the Joint Chiefs, but beyond that no mistakes seem to have been made, and at least she stopped.
I just have a feeling our much-maligned establishments are saving the day. A former cabinet official said to me this week, “Trump never understood our institutions.” He never understood how strong and deeply layered they are. The agencies held, the military, the courts. Because Mr. Trump is purely transactional, he thought if he appointed Neil, Brett and Amy, they’d naturally do his bidding because that’s how the world works. But it’s not always how the world works. This week the Supreme Court blandly refused to fast-track his latest election appeal. They did it quietly, without comment.
I have a feeling there was a lot of quiet stature around us all along.
And they were quietly thinking: Don’t mess with my country. But they didn’t say mess.
Yawn, Alky has a J.D. who knew.
Is taking over parts of Seattle and Portland also sedition? When is supporting it also sedition?
Is taking over parts of Seattle and
Are you just fucking stupid or making a circular argument????????
A Republican former prosecutor said that Scott is full of shit.
WASHINGTON — A ranking House Republican is formally asking the Justice Department to broaden its investigation to include President Trump’s conduct during the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol when members of Congress and others were reportedly pleading for him to deploy the National Guard and take other steps to quell the riot.
“I would go beyond the article filed by the Democrats and [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi,” Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas said on the Yahoo News “Skullduggery” podcast. “I’m interested in what actions were taken after the Capitol was breached. Once the president knew that the Capitol was under siege and really being invaded by domestic terrorists, what actions did the president specifically take to remedy what happened?
“If it was al-Qaida attacking the Capitol, my God, I would think the president would pull out all the stops to ensure the National Guard was fully deployed and would stop this breach and this invasion of the Capitol.”
But a bunch of white supremacist is acceptable.
Seattle and Portland are not the Capitol building of the United States of America!
Who will be to file the first criminal case against trump........SDNY.......or Atlanta .........BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
LANTA — Prosecutors in Georgia appear increasingly likely to open a criminal investigation of President Donald Trump over his attempts to overturn the results of the state’s 2020 election, an inquiry into offenses that would be beyond his federal pardon power.
The new Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, is already weighing whether to proceed, and among the options she is considering is the hiring of a special assistant from outside to oversee the investigation, according to people familiar with her office’s deliberations.
At the same time, David Worley, the lone Democrat on Georgia’s five-member election board, said this week that he would ask the board to make a referral to the Fulton County district attorney by next month. Among the matters he will ask prosecutors to investigate is a phone call Trump made in which he pressured Georgia’s secretary of state to overturn the state’s election results.
No shit.
Fuck off you fat pig
Bernie Sanders will be budget committee chairman. Yeah, that'll work well
Yep.....elections have consequences ballz......we had trump for 4 years....how'd that work out??????? BWWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
At least 13 off-duty law enforcement officials are suspected of taking part in the riot, a tally that could grow as investigators continue to pore over footage and records to identify participants. Police leaders are turning in their own to the FBI and taking the striking step of reminding officers in their departments that criminal misconduct could push them off the force and behind bars.
The reckoning within police departments.
“We are making clear that they have First Amendment rights like all Americans,” said Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, who on Thursday accepted the resignation of an 18-year veteran in his department due to his involvement in the riot, which followed a rally at which President Trump urged his supporters to not accept his defeat. “However, engaging in activity that crosses the line into criminal conduct will not be tolerated.”
Off-duty police were part of the Capitol mob. Now police are turning in their own.
By Kimberly Kindy, Kim Bellware and Mark Berman
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/police-trump-capitol-mob/2021/01/16/160ace1e-567d-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html
Scott has an premature ejaculation every time he sees the President!
Trump lost the Senate and the White House.
Squirt squirt squirt.
Poor Rog
Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got no money 'cause I just got scammed
How I wish I had some someone to talk to
I'm in an awful way (one more time)
Ever since descending the gilded escalator of Trump Tower to announce his presidential bid in 2015, Mr. Trump has tethered his success to the politics of law and order, stoking fears and then positioning himself as the only person capable of confronting them. As for what — or whom — Americans should fear, Mr. Trump virtually always targeted people of color and people who protested for their rights: Mexicans, migrants from Central America, Black Lives Matter activists, the diverse array of protesters in major cities last summer.
Trump lead tens of million Americans into his cult.
If Trump goes to prison Scott will need viagra to get cure erectile dysfunction. humor:-)
He won’t be alone, by himself, in his “room”
Poor mouth of the south....ran out of Vodka early today and has showed up here with the usual frat boy insults of UGA graduates!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
BTW Roger, you missed trump also lost the House in 2018 by record number of votes against him!!!!!!!
"Caliphate4vrJanuary 16, 2021 at 5:22 PM
"He won’t be alone, by himself, in his “room”
Wait, Roger has a Ex-Model Fiance, Roger said he does.
The Audi A8 @ $75,000 was a bridge too far.
Voter suppression still exists" Alky
Really in what country?
Surely , not the USA.
Rogers says the dumbest things
Policy Matter.
🌬he “Squad” are publicly shaming one aspect of President-elect Joe Biden’s $1.9 trillion spending plan, which would provide Americans with $1,400 stimulus checks, calling for Congress to provide Americans with $2,000 checks and possibly have them “recurring.”❄
The Washington Post
Rosalind Helderman, Spencer Hsu, Rachel Weiner 30 mins ago
‘Trump said to do so’: Accounts of rioters who say the president spurred them to rush the Capitol could be pivotal testimony
A man from Kentucky told the FBI that he and his cousin began marching toward the U.S. Capitol last week Dec. 6 because “President Trump said to do so.” Chanting “Stop the steal,” the two men tramped through the building and snapped a photo of themselves with their middle fingers raised, according to court documents.
A video clip of another group of rioters mobbing the steps of the Capitol caught one man screaming at a police officer: “We were invited here! We were invited by the president of the United States!”
A retired firefighter from Pennsylvania who has been charged with throwing a fire extinguisher at police officers felt he was “instructed” to go to the Capitol by the president, a tipster told the FBI, according to court documents.
The accounts of people who said they were inspired by the president to take part in the melee inside the Capitol vividly show the impact of Trump’s months-long attack on the integrity of the 2020 election and his exhortations to supporters to “fight” the results.
Some have said they felt called to Washington by Trump and his false message that the election had been stolen, as well as by his efforts to pressure Congress and Vice President Pence to overturn the result.
But others drew an even more direct link — telling the FBI or news organizations that they headed to the Capitol on what they believed were direct orders from the president issued at a rally that day.
While legal experts are split on whether Trump could face criminal liability for his role in the events of Jan. 6, testimony from rioters who felt directed to take part in illegal acts by his speech could inform a decision by prosecutors about whether to attempt to build a case. Short of that, the testimony from rioters is likely to be cited in Trump’s upcoming impeachment trial in the Senate and could become evidence should people injured in the Capitol attack seek to file lawsuits against Trump.
Disturbing details of what happened inside the building have already emerged in court documents — including one witness who told the FBI that the rioters intended to kill any member of Congress they encountered. Officials have said they are still investigating whether the siege was planned and whether those involved intended to take hostages or otherwise harm elected leaders.
Some accused of taking part in the mayhem may be invoking the president as a way to duck blame for their own actions. Already, several rioters charged with crimes have said they hope Trump will pardon them before he leaves office since they believed they were following his instructions.
Jenna Ryan, a real estate agent from Dallas who has been charged with illegally entering the building, appeared on local television Friday to beg Trump for clemency.
“I thought I was following my president,” she said. “I thought I was following what we were called to do. . . . He asked us to fly there. He asked us to be there. So I was doing what he asked us to do.”
Trump’s call to action to his supporters came after he had already tried and failed to overturn the election results in the courts and by pressuring Republican state legislators and GOP election officials in swing states that backed President-elect Joe Biden.
By December, Trump had turned his focus to the upcoming joint session of Congress on Jan. 6, when lawmakers were set to count the electoral college votes and formalize Biden’s win.
On multiple occasions, he urged his supporters to come to Washington and to apply public pressure on Congress to change the election results.
“Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!” he tweeted on Dec. 19.
“The BIG Protest Rally in Washington, D.C., will take place at 11.00 A.M. on January 6th. Locational details to follow. StopTheSteal!” he wrote on New Year’s Day.
On the morning of Jan. 6, as Congress prepared to convene in the Capitol, Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. delivered a fiery speech to the thousands of Trump supporters assembled on the Ellipse. Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, called for “trial by combat.”
Which brain dead Fucktard said this
""we cannot yield those who would try and make us afraid of who we are,"
Biden
James
Harris
Alky
In his address to the crowd, Trump did not overtly call for them to try to enter the building or commit violence. But he emphasized the need for strength and repeatedly called for the crowd to fight on his behalf.
“Our country has had enough,” he said. “We will not take it anymore, and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.”
He falsely claimed that “all Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people.” And he said that if Pence allowed the vote to move forward, Biden would become president.
“We’re just not going to let that happen,” he said.
As the crowd periodically chanted, “Fight for Trump,” he continued, “So we are going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue — I love Pennsylvania Avenue — and we are going to the Capitol.”
Trump, in fact, returned to the White House. But thousands of his supporters turned and began marching toward the Capitol, where lawmakers were just starting to meet in joint session.
[Inside the Capitol siege: How barricaded lawmakers and aides sounded urgent pleas for help as police lost control]
In the crowd was Trump fan Robert L. Bauer, who later told an FBI agent that he had driven from Kentucky with his wife to join his cousin Edward Hemenway for the rally.
According to court documents, Bauer said the three started moving with a crowd toward the building after hearing Trump tell rally participants to march down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol.
Bauer’s wife peeled off, but he and Hemenway both told the FBI they entered the building, where they encountered a police officer, who grabbed Bauer’s hand and told him: “It’s your house now.” Bauer told the FBI that he believed the police officer was acting out of fear. Both men have been charged with crimes related to the riot.
Also in the mob was Robert Lee Sanford Jr., 55, a recently retired firefighter from Chester, Pa.
A tipster told the FBI that Sanford said he traveled on a bus with a group to Washington, according to court documents. “The group had gone to the White House and listened to President Donald J. Trump’s speech and then had followed the President’s instructions and gone to the Capitol,” an FBI agent wrote in an affidavit.
Investigators allege Sanford can be seen in video footage hurling a fire extinguisher at a group of police officers on the West Terrace of the Capitol. The extinguisher struck one officer in the head, then ricocheted and hit two other officers — one of whom was not wearing a helmet.
Sanford has been charged with knowingly entering a restricted building, disorderly conduct on the Capitol grounds and assaulting an officer.
In an interview, Sanford’s attorney, Enrique A. Latoison, said Sanford is not part of any extremist group but was caught up in the moment — and that Trump bore responsibility.
“You have a 55-year-old man, retired from firefighting for 26 years. He’s never been arrested. A family man with three kids, law-abiding guy who barbecues and has a nice smoker. He doesn’t just get up and say, ‘I am going to go and get arrested, I’m going to go to the Capitol,’ ” Latoison said, adding that Sanford is remorseful for his actions.
“Trump and his allies encouraged people to run down to the Capitol building — none of them were out front, leading anybody,” he said. “They told everyone else to go there, and then went home.”
A man from Kentucky told the FBI that he and his cousin began marching toward the U.S. Capitol last week Dec. 6
because “President Trump said to do so.
Dumbass can’t even get the date right
Those people are all charged with serious federal crimes. Of course they're gonna say that.
The day after the riot, the brother-in-law of Roseanne Boyland, 34, one of four rioters who died that day, told reporters he also blamed Trump for the events.
“I’ve never tried to be a political person, but it’s my own personal belief that the president’s words incited a riot that killed four of his biggest fans last night,” Justin Cave said.
Across the Capitol complex, thousands of people wearing Trump gear, carrying banners bearing his name and wearing hats with his slogan, “Make America Great Again,” clashed with police, broke windows and rampaged through congressional offices. Some in the crowd chanted, “Hang Mike Pence.”
Larry Rendell Brock, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel from Dallas who was photographed holding zip-tie handcuffs and wearing a helmet in the well of the Senate, cited the president’s rhetoric in a series of Facebook posts that have been excerpted in court documents related to his charges.
“This is not a President that sounds like he is giving up on the White House,” he wrote on Jan. 5, the day before the riot. “I truly believe that if we let them complete the steal we will never have a free election again. I really believe we are going to take back what they did on November 3.”
Brock’s lawyer did not respond to requests for comment.
In court filings charging Nicholas Ochs, the founder of the Hawaii chapter of the extremist group the Proud Boys, with unlawful entry into a restricted building, an FBI agent wrote that the group “has been vocal in calling for action over the false claims that President Trump lost the election due to widespread voter fraud. Some members have advocated for violent action to achieve these end.”
Ochs’s attorney, Myles Briener, said Ochs had no criminal record and was holding journalist credentials on Jan. 6. He said Ochs looks forward to his day in court.
Court documents for another alleged member of the Proud Boys charged with storming the Capitol, Daniel Goodwyn, included a tweet Goodwyn posted on Nov. 7, days after Biden’s victory.
“Stand back and stand by!” Goodwyn wrote, quoting Trump’s controversial response to a question during a presidential debate with Biden about whether he would condemn the extremist group.
Goodwyn added: “Await orders from our Commander in Chief. #StopTheSteal!”
While the president’s claims have been cited various times in court documents, legal experts said prosecutors may be wary of attempting to charge Trump with criminal incitement. Such a crime can be difficult to prove because it requires showing that speech that would normally be protected under the Constitution has crossed a line into criminal activity.
The day after the riot, acting U.S. attorney Michael Sherwin of Washington told reporters that investigators might examine incendiary statements by the president and other speakers at his rally.
“Yes, we are looking at all actors here, not only the people that went into the building, but . . . were there others that maybe assisted or facilitated or played some ancillary role in this,” Sherwin said.
The next day, his deputy, Kenneth C. Kohl, appeared to back away from those comments, telling reporters: “We don’t expect any charges of that nature.”
But Justice Department officials have said the case is complex and the investigation ongoing.
[Off-duty police were part of the Capitol mob. Now police are turning in their own.]
In a landmark 1969 case, the Supreme Court held that speech could only be criminal if it could be proved to be “directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action.” In that case, the court overturned the conviction of a Ku Klux Klan member who delivered a racist and anti-Semitic speech to Klan members gathered in a field in Ohio, finding that the speech’s vague call for “revengeance” and an announcement of a future march on Washington were not calls for immediate criminal behavior.
Eugene Volokh, a constitutional law professor at UCLA School of Law, said the precedent has generally protected rousing or fiery political speech that does not specifically call for violence — even if some people who hear it might be inspired to break the law.
In the case of Trump’s speech, Volokh said he did not believe it would be possible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump intended to direct the crowd to commit illegal acts.
He noted that Trump did not ask people to break into the Capitol or to assault police officers but instead called for them to “march” to the Capitol — an act of protest protected in the Constitution. At one point, Trump specifically said the people should march “peacefully.”
“One reason why we have a high bar for incitement is because it applies to everyone. It doesn’t just apply to the president. It applies to organizers, labor activists, private citizens. It’s important to keep that bar high,” he said.
But Leonard M. Niehoff, a First Amendment expert at the University of Michigan Law School, said the courts have held that potentially inciting speech must be examined in context.
In this case, Trump called for his supporters not just to march to the Capitol but to “stop the steal,” to act with strength and to “fight like hell.” He said the only way protesters would have been able to stop the electoral college process was through violence.
“The clear instruction was you are going to the Capitol to stop the steal. You are going there to show strength. You are going there to take the country back and not to let this happen,” Niehoff said. “Is it conceivable that you would listen to that speech and say to yourself, ‘All the president wants us to do is go to the Capitol and then go home?’ I just don’t think so.”
The two scholars agreed, however, the public should examine whether the president’s words and actions were immoral, not just whether they broke the law.
Volokh said Trump’s actions may amount more to a “dereliction of duty” than a crime — a failure to protect the public that might be better addressed through the impeachment process underway in Congress.
Niehoff added, “Whether he behaved properly, as an ethical matter, that’s not something the law will answer.”
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BUT IMPEACHMENT AND CONVICTION CAN AND WILL.
Here come the caravans from South America. Biden will drive down hourly wages.
Oh, I'm so scared! All of them are murderers and rapists, not people desperate for wages or protection from gangs and a better life for their kids.
Quick, Lady Liberty! Hide that torch behind your back!
It's not about fright. It's about flooding the hourly employee pool, driving down wages.
But if we have minimum wage...?
You are an economic retard, pedo
We have one, Biden's $15 is an outstanding idea, please make it reality.
Hourly wage is not just minimim wage. That's why I referred to hourly wage.
"You are an economic retard, pedo"
Yes, he is. like Alky.
Simple modeling and regression analysis applied to the last four decades of U.S. labor market history show that immigrants are not responsible for the stagnating or declining wages of noncollege workers, either nationally or in regions with high immigration. In fact, immigrants may be responsible for preventing an even further relative decline in wages by education group. While we need more evidence that these factors have helped the wages of noncollege workers, there is no evidence that immigrants have lowered their wages. A policy of larger and more education-balanced immigration inflows combined with a legalization of many existing unskilled immigrant workers could boost U.S. productivity and wages. Immigration did not contribute to wage stagnation, growing wage-inequality, or absolute declines. More appropriate immigration policies, however, may help boost wages and jobs at the local level.
--The Cato Institute
James, didn't know it.
The federal minimum wage $7.25 per hour.
Heh heh. I was talking about IF we have a higher minimum wage.
My first union carpenter job, in 1974, paid $6.25 per hour. The current minimum wage is ridiculously low.
BIDEN to grant 22 million illegals Amnesty.
I support it.
It is the right move to Secure Biden's Socialist America.
USSA= United Socialist States of America.
What we're discussing is more than simple modeling and regression. You cannot keep adding to a pool of potential workers looking for the same jobs without seeing a downward effect on wages. This is macro supply and demand. That quote you posted doesn't tell us specifically what kind of analysis they're referring to.
The alleged stun gun-carrying Capitol Hill rioter photographed with his boot up on Nancy Pelosi’s desk has been ordered to remain in jail and brought immediately to Washington, DC, so his case can proceed, according to a new report.
Arkansas-native Richard Barnett, 60, was initially scheduled to be sprung Saturday on $5,000 bail, to house arrest, pending the resolution of charges against him that could send him to prison for over a decade.
Will Trump pardon him?
Well , Broke Akly, the USSA is in luck.
$15.00 minimum this year as Biden promised.
He could pardon him just to piss off Pelosi
FEELING BETRAYED, FAR-RIGT EXTREMISTS HAVE A NEW MESSAGE FOR TRUMP:
'GET OUT OF OUR WAY!'
HuffPost
For months, President Donald Trump’s message to his supporters was clear:
The election was being stolen from him, and they needed to fight to take it back.
So on Jan. 6, during a Trump-promoted rally to “Stop the Steal,” thousands laid siege to the U.S. Capitol in a stunning attempt to do just that.
The fallout of their failed insurrection, which resulted in five deaths, was swift:
Trump was deplatformed from nearly every major social network and impeached for a historic second time.
When he emerged on camera a short while later, tail tucked between his legs, to condemn the rioters whom he himself had incited, and to call for a peaceful transfer of power to President-elect Joe Biden, HIS BASE FELT BETRAYED.
“So he basically just sold out the patriots who got rounded up for him,” one person wrote in a 15,000-member pro-Trump Telegram group. “Just wow.”
In online havens for MAGA extremists, including Gab, CloutHub, MeWe, Telegram and far-right message boards such as 8kun, the tone toward Trump is shifting.
HuffPost reviewed thousands of messages across these platforms and found that a growing minority of the president’s once-devout backers are now denouncing him and rejecting his recent pleas for peace.
Some have called for his arrest or execution, labeling him a “traitor” and a “coward.”
Alarmingly, many of those who are irate about Biden’s supposed electoral theft are still plotting to forcibly prevent him from taking office — with or without Trump’s help.
“We don’t follow you,” another Telegram user wrote, addressing Trump, after the president put out his video urging calm and order. “Be quiet and get out of our way.”
It has become apparent that now — after his mass radicalization campaign of voter-fraud disinformationand conspiracy-mongering — even Trump can’t stop the dangerous delusion he’s instilled across the country, or the next wave of violence it may soon bring.
In online fringe communities, some far-right Trump supporters are plotting to keep him in power by any means necessary.
Federal authorities are urgently warning of armed protests being planned in all 50 state capitals in the days leading up to Biden’s inauguration.
Politically motivated extremists “will very likely pose the greatest domestic terrorism threats in 2021,” according to a new joint intelligence bulletin from the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and National Counterterrorism Center.
The document, first obtained by Yahoo News, attributes this threat to “false narratives” that Biden’s victory “was illegitimate, or fraudulent,” and the subsequent belief that the election results “should be contested or unrecognized.”
Ahead of last week’s riots, Trump supporters openly planned their attack on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and other mainstream platforms, where they shared materials including flyers titled “Operation Occupy the Capitol.”
These sites have since cracked down aggressively on such behavior, causing extremists to migrate to lesser-known corners of the internet to plan their next move.
While this has hindered their ability to spread propaganda and enlist new recruits, their new social channels are subject to less scrutiny and havealready exploded in reach. CloutHub, MeWe and Telegram shot to the top of the charts of popular free apps on the App Store and Google PlayStorein the wake of the siege. Gab has also reported a massive surge in new users, with about 10,000 people signing up every hour.
In these spaces, HuffPost has observed calls to “burn down” the Capitol, launch “an armed revolt,” “pop some libtards” and “TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK WHATEVER IT TAKES!!”
Some posts are more specific: “Civil War is here. Group up locally. Take out the News stations,” one person declared.
“LET’S HANG THEM ALL,” another implored. “LET’S FINISH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.”
The Boogaloo Bois, a far-right militia organizing to foment civil war, is capitalizing on the unrest to issue online a renewed call to arms. The FBI has warned specifically of potential Boogaloo violence during planned rallies at state Capitol buildings in Michigan and Minnesota on Sunday.
“Theres a war coming, and cowering in your home [while] real patriots march with rifles ... will make you a traitor,” commented a member of an encrypted Boogaloo chat.
Some extremists, however, are urging each other not to attend any of the upcoming armed protests. The Proud Boys, a rabidly pro-Trump neo-fascist group that helped storm the Capitol, is cautioning its followers that such demonstrations could be “fed honeypot” events set up by authorities in order to seize attendees’ guns.
It seems that even the Proud Boys are losing faith in Trump: A Telegram channel run by the group reposted a message with Trump’s video along with the text “The Betrayal of Trumpist base by Trump himself continues.”
Many in Trump's base feel abandoned and betrayed by his condemnation of the Capitol rioters.
For four years,the president’s supporters have worshipped him like a god.
His rallies have been likened to cult gatherings.
Nearly half of his campaign donations came from small donors, trouncing Biden’s 39%.
For most of his presidency, Trump enjoyed strong support from the Republican base, polling well above 90% with that group.
But after the Jan. 6 riots, his support is plummeting at record rates.
MAGA world has stood unwaveringly by Trump’s side through multiple allegations of sexual assault (including rape),
an impeachment for abuse of power,
revelations that his administration literally caged children,
a historic rise in national debt,
countless lies,
blatant self-enrichment by him and his family members,
a pandemic that has claimed close to 400,000 American lives under his leadership — nearly a fifth of all deaths worldwide —
and more.
So to see his “America First” army suddenly begin to turn on him is truly remarkable.
It’s happening broadly among his supporters, and even among the far-right extremist communities that have flourished online during Trump’s presidency.
Among the recent messages excoriating Trump in dedicated pro-Trump networks:
“tbh I hope they hang Trump at this point”;
“He deserves what’s coming to him”;
“he is literally done, he will die in jail”;
“Seriously hoping they’ll lock him up or lynch [him]”;
“Guy is the biggest cuck ever at this point”; “Can’t wait til the left locks up his bitch ass. Rot in prison.”
I guess James is done trying to discuss economics and is back to the usual spam.
[heh heh. This is not "usual."]
Several people have proclaimed that at this point, Trump can only redeem himself by declaring martial law to maintain power by force.
After losing to Biden, Trump systematically attacked the allies that propped up his presidency in a desperate effort to keep his re-election fantasy alive.
He first turned his adherents against Fox News, which stoked his ire by accurately projecting Biden’s electoral victory in Arizona before a few other networks did so.
Then, when some Republicans ― including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell ― declined to play along with his unsupported claims of mass voter fraud, Trump sicced his base on them.
After that came Trump’s own vice president, Mike Pence, who refused Trump’s unconstitutional demand to reject votes in favor of Biden. (“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution,” Trump tweeted on the afternoon of Jan. 6, provoking chants of “Hang Pence” during the riots.)
Now that Trump himself appears to finally be backing away from his “Stop the Steal” hoax, a growing faction of his supporters is through with him, too.
But after the dramatic failure of his slow-motion coup, as he counts down the days until his return to life as a private citizen, Trump presumably has more pressing concerns than maintaining his followers’ devotion.
Aside from the hundreds of millions of dollars in personal debt hanging over his head, it seems increasingly likely that he could face criminal prosecution, from which he will no longer be immune.
And following his latest impeachment, if the Senate convicts him, it can also vote to disqualify him from ever running for office again. HOORAY!!!!!!
With so much at stake and no sane hope of clinging to power, it’s now in the president’s best interest for his base to avoid further violence, which could increase his chances of conviction.
But the reality is that the monster Trump created doesn’t need him anymore.
“He can promise and call for peace all he likes,” one Gab user wrote.
“Won’t make a blind bit of difference.”
Also, it pertains to the thread topic.
You're welcome!
You posting about trump implementing martial law. Yeah, as usual.
Anonymous Myballs said...
I guess James is done trying to discuss economics and is back to the usual spam.
He tried to have an independent thought and as always, shits the bed
Copy and pasting is all he has, he’s just not bright
BALLS:
You posting about trump implementing martial law. Yeah, as usual.
JAMES:
Actually, there's been little call for that except as a last minute cry of desperation from his former supporters.
You see, they're very, very upset and feeling really, really betrayed.
They were only obeying his orders!!!
I'll tell you what, any of you who wants to debate me on this last particular subject, have at it.
I stand ready.
This says it all:
https://gab.com/IPOT1776/posts/105565939467571012
The communications director for Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) is resigning after less than two weeks in the role, Axios reported on Saturday.
Ben Goldey reportedly tied his decision to step down from the post to last week’s insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. His boss, Boebert, and other Republican lawmakers have been sharply criticized for fueling the attacks by objecting to the reaffirmation of President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral victory.
“Following the events of January 6th, I’ve decided to part ways with the office. I wish her and the people of Colorado’s Third District the best,” Goldey, said in an apparent reference to Boebert in a statement to Axios.
Goldey had previously served as press secretary at the Department of Interior and prior to that worked for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).
In a floor speech before the Capitol riot, Boebert referred to “having constituents outside this building right now” who she would support in opposition to Electoral College votes for Biden in Arizona and Pennsylvania.
Goldey’s abrupt resignation comes as Boebert offered a “thousand apologies” to Rep. Sean Maloney (D-NY) who she accused of making comments that “implied” she had conspired in the Capitol riot.
Earlier this week, Boebert, a proud gun-slinger, also pushed back on heightened security measures in the Capitol complex, suggesting that newly installed metal detectors at the entrance of the House chamber were a “political stunt” by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA).
The staffer’s resignation comes as 10 House Republicans, voted to impeach President Trump on Wednesday after Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) urged her colleagues to make a “vote of conscience” in the wake of the Capitol attack inflamed by President Trump last week that left five people including a Capitol police officer dead.
The news of the sudden departure of Boebert’s communications chief follows a similar move on Monday by Sen. Ted Cruz’s communications director, Lauren Blair Bianchi, who also resigned from her role, reportedly making the decision in defiance of Cruz’s involvement in the Electoral College charade that turned deadly.
The deep staters got her targeted!
MyballsJanuary 16, 2021 at 7:33 PM
I guess James is done trying to discuss economics and is back to the usual spam"
Yep, It is his default position.
It's reported thst goldeys replacement had already been hired and most of her staff used to work for cory Gardner.
James Wagstaffe
January 15, 2021
As a constitutional law professor for 30 years, I have been teaching law students and undergraduates that while the First Amendment protects abstract appeals for illegal actions or even highly offensive expression, there can and should be criminal liability for speech that incites the likely and imminent risk of violence. To borrow a famed First Amendment concept, when it comes to President Donald Trump’s rambling, exhortative speech at the Mall to his followers, I know criminal incitement when I see it.
The Events of January 6
Notwithstanding the post-January 6 revisionist efforts to the contrary, the facts compellingly show that Trump groomed, agitated and then incited his followers to commit horrific acts of violence, including foreseeably causing irreparable damage to the Capitol and governmental institutions. The build-up to and the actual litany of his inflammatory battle cries to violence have been widely reported.
Trump’s design to whip up hysteria was long in the making. The latest iteration started with express requests that his followers come to Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021 for a “big protest” premised on the false claim that the election was stolen. His now-famous December 19 tweet emphasized a desire for the day’s events to go beyond a rally and speechifying: “Be there, will be wild!”[1]
In the days leading up to the attack on the Capitol, Trump continued with his incitement campaign by making it clear, in a Tweet on January 5, that he and his followers “[wouldn’t] stand for a landslide election victory to be stolen.” He intoned that they simply weren’t going to allow the Democrats and weak Republicans to silence their voices and that the upcoming gathering was going to be a march “to Save America” and to block Joe Biden’s ascension to the presidency.
When his followers did show up on the Mall in large numbers on January 6, 2021, Trump repeatedly used the language of criminal incitement to imminent lawlessness. Stoking the false flames of a “stolen election” and “an illegitimate president,” Trump exhorted his followers that they must “fight,” “stop the steal,” and declared, “We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”
Trump’s call to immediate action was clear and unequivocal: “And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” He yelled that the crowd must “fight harder” and not be like the Republicans who in his words are “constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back.”
Much akin to the proscription articulated by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes on falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater, Trump then called for action based on the imagined necessity of stopping the “emboldened radical Democrats” from stealing “their” election victory, a theft achieved through what he called a “criminal enterprise.” He urged the large crowd – “warriors” and “patriots,” as he called them – to march up the National Mall to the Capitol in order to “give our Republicans the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”
There was nothing very subtle or abstract about the president’s rhetoric. The incensed crowd members needed to “show strength” because you can “never take back our country with weakness.” Trump thus underscored the theme espoused moments earlier by his enabler lawyer Rudy Giuliani that it was time to have “trial by combat.”
As Trump spoke of “fighting like hell,” rioters had already begun to clash with police at the Capitol. As he concluded, Trump repeated his call to march on the Capitol – and the crowd obliged.
Back to all the spam
And finally, speech by public employees clearly is less protected overall than other speech – even if that speech is not criminal. Established case law holds that public employees can be fired for speech that hinders efficient operation of their governmental department. So, for example, if a Chief of Police (or president) makes hugely and explicitly racist statements, they can be removed from office. And if, let’s say, Trump on the morning after the attack started singing the praises of the insurrectionists, there is little doubt that such “speech” could be sanctioned through removal or impeachment.
On topic asshole
Be strong !
There was an angry group gathering outside of the American building;
Members of the group appeared fired-up and seething with contempt and pure hatred;
Some wore clothing with distinct and clear markings;
Most did not cover their faces;
Some were carrying oversized flags that depicted their ideology;
Some had firearms, many did not;
They chanted in unison with fists raised in the air;
They stormed the American facility with ease;
At first, they strolled around the compound, seemingly surprised that they made it into this sacred place, and then they appeared nonchalant and arrogant;
We saw the attackers destroying everything in sight with abandon;
Vigorously smashing windows;
Forcefully kicking in doors;
Ravaging offices and rooms; and
Some of the attackers stole items from the buildings, including laptops belonging to American officials, highly sensitive material, and souvenirs of their attack.
CHT
BFD
But if the party has any hope of playing a constructive, rather than destructive, part in America’s future, it must do two things.
First, Republicans must repudiate the nonsense that has set our party on fire. Putting it out will take courage—and I don’t mean merely political courage. This week, after realizing that some Capitol insurrectionists wanted to capture the vice president, several Republican House members said privately that they believed a vote to impeach the president would put their lives, or the lives of their families, at risk. That is not the “constituent engagement” that elected officials are duty-bound to deal with on a daily basis. That is simply tyranny, just from the bottom up, instead of the top down. When arsonists are inside our house, can we just stand by and hope that they’ll depart quietly?
Zeynep Tufekci: Most House Republicans did what the rioters wanted
Second, the party has to rebuild itself. It must offer a genuine answer to the frustrations of the past decade. Other than by indulging Trump’s fantasies about building iPhones in America, Republicans have not figured out how to address Americans’ anger about community erosion, massive dislocations in the labor force, or Big Tech’s historically unprecedented role in governing de facto public squares.
Sensing a chance at tribal expansion, some on the left are thrilled by the chaos on the right, and they’re eager to seize the moment to banish from polite society not just those who participated and encouraged violence, but anyone with an R next to his or her name. Already on Twitter, a conservative position as longstanding as opposition to abortion has been recast as “domestic terrorism.” An MSNBC host talked about the “de-Baathification” of the GOP, comparing rank-and-file Republicans to supporters of Saddam Hussein. In an exchange on CNN, a host accused Republican voters of making common cause with Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan. Yet the exploitative overreaction by the left should not allow an underreaction by the right.
The past four years have wounded our country in grievous, long-lasting ways. The mob that rushed the Capitol had been fed a steady diet of lies and conspiracy theories. It is very possible that the QAnon devotee Douglas Jensen believed the junk he’d been sold—that he was a valued foot soldier in Trump’s war against shadowy forces of darkness. So, according to the FBI, he put on his Q T-shirt and acted like a foot soldier. Right up until he ran into Officer Goodman.
In a standoff between the Constitution and madness, both men picked a side. It’s the GOP’s turn to do the same.
BEN SASSE is a United States senator from Nebraska. Previously, he served for five years as president of Midland University.
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