Friday, January 1, 2021

When conspiracy theories undermine legitimate questions...

Might look impressive to those impressed with "expert witnesses" but not to those who do even a reasonable amount of cursory research.

This one has been making the rounds and has actually pulled in some fairly respectable people. From what I understand, even some people within Georgia politics have given it credence. Scott Adams and other prominent Tweeters are pushing it (and generally Adams is pretty skeptical of these things).  If you watch the video, it seems to bring up a lot of unanswered questions. Things that sound shaky, if not downright dishonest. But sometimes the so called conspiracy is a dud. I believe this is one of those time. 

The issue seems to be that certain vote counts in certain counties appear to have "switched" votes from Trump to Biden, showing Trump with a negative count and Biden with a similar (if not identical) positive count being added at the same time. All this appears to take place within a single county, but also at a time when other counties are dropping to the SOS so that the SOS vote totals do not look so out of whack. So this is not just a conspiracy, but a coordinated effort between counties to flip vote totals.

But here is the problem. Whatever may have happened during the course of the evening the end results do not show up with the sort of anomaly that one would expect if there was a vote switching scheme. Case in point is Dodge County, which is the first county that the video suggests was involved in vote switching. The numbers are neither large enough to suggest the sort of vote switching involved, nor is there anything that suggests tampering for Biden. 

  • Trump won in 2020 by 5,843 - 2,172  
  • Trump won in 2016 by 5,021 - 1,839
Trump actually picked up 822 votes while Biden only picked up 333. If there was tampering I would not have expected Trump to increase his advantage by nearly 500 vote. I would have expected Biden to be the candidate showing a massive improvement over 2016. More to the point had Trump ended up with more than 10,000 votes in Dodge (which is sort of what the video suggests should have happened), then it would have been more than double his count from 2016 and actually "would" have been a statistical anomaly. 

The other issue is that this is a Republican county, and the suggestion would be the local Georgia Republican officials were somehow engaging in a conspiracy to help Biden win? It simply doesn't seem plausible. Moreover, I checked two other counties from the first video and found the same thing. Trump actually winning by margins larger than in 2016 and the counties appeared Republican.
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With any sort of election or statistical conspiracy like this you must look at two things. Can the underlying allegation be proven to be true and is there any underlying statistical evidence that the result looks wrong. In these cases I am not sure about the first, but the second falls short. Show both or go home is my theory on this. I cannot explain anything about why these vote counts rose and fell throughout the night. But to me is doesn't matter, because the final results look accurate. 

Give me the conspiracy theories surrounding late night unsupervised counting in Fulton and Gwinnet, where the allegations have been proven and the county vote totals are well out of whack with the surrounding counties and the state as a whole. While you are not likely able to "prove" anything conclusively (because quite literally there was nobody there to know exactly what happened), we know that the amount Biden votes in both counties were tens of thousands more than we should have expected. There really hasn't been a reasonable explanation provided for this and there never will be.

But this sort of "vote switching" allegation (that we are seeing now) just further reduces any chances that people will take any questions seriously. Skeptics must be careful not to make allegations that have actual explanations or even credible questions will fail to resonate. Defense of a conspiracy theory only takes some cracks in the so called theory, for it to fall to pieces (even if questions remain).

Think about the Fulton county surveillance video. While the video literally caught the counters red handed in a lie (which should have been the focus), the emphasis ended up being placed on mundane details such as whether or not they counted from ballot boxes or suitcases, why they pulled them from under a table, or why the watchers left. These convenient changes of subjects completely insulated the ballot counters from having to explain why they had originally lied about even being there. All because the allegations of conspiracy were pushed beyond what they could prove or what they could show to be completely unreasonable.

But I digress. 

The reality is that if there was a large scale multi-county vote switching scheme within the state of Georgia, then there would be statistical evidence of it. There is none with any of the counties that I can see. Counties that for the most part are smaller counties that went bigger for Trump than they did for him in 2016.  In fact, I would offer that if you are looking for a conspiracy of tampering or fraud that you start with the areas that show large anomalies and work backwards from there. Find out if there was strange activity that might be why you see the large anomalies. Don't waste time on strange activity that simply didn't create a strange result. It cannot get you anywhere.

87 comments:

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

So all of this hoopla simply does not prove that anything wrong was done, you admit.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

And Mitch McConnell, knowing that, finally accepts that Biden is legitimately the President-Elect.
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McConnell Finally Slaps Back at Trump
11:11 am EST
“It took four years and an election defeat. But someone with real power inside the Republican Party is standing up to — and swatting back — President Trump: Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell,” Axios reports.


“This is a preview of the power struggle that will define the Republican Party in 2021."

Said a Republican operative familiar with the leader’s thinking:
“McConnell is trying to reclaim the role he had in 2009 — leader of the opposition to a new Democratic president.”

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AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, FOR ONE THING IT MEANS THAT THE FOLLOWING IS PROBABLY A VERY VALID QUESTION --
AND THE ANSWER MAY BE NO!

Can Trump Still Be Trump After January 20?

John Harris:
“The president’s demagoguery with his baseless assertions of a stolen election, and his increasingly erratic behavior since the election, has put an old puzzle in a frightening new light: Does seemingly irrational behavior actually serve a rational purpose?

"I’m already on record with my hunch — not a prediction! — that Trump will fade faster than most people and probably even he assumes once he no longer occupies the White House.”

“But this is the dominant question hovering over Republican politics.
A subordinate question is whether his adult children have any real political sway of their own once dad is ex-president.”
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I think the answer is clear there too.
A vast many of the American people are sick and tired of ALL THINGS TRUMP.

C.H. Truth said...

Reverend...

The broader point is that 90% of the conspiracy theories out there are people taking advantage of oddities that may otherwise have perfectly reasonable explanations.

Like "Russian collusion" or "Trump is to blame for Covid" - people becomes emotionally attached to something to the point where they will use almost anything to justify the completely nonsensical irrational belief.

But the problem is that there are legitimate issues that will not be addressed largely because people will "lump them in" with these sorts of conspiracies. That undermines legitimate questions and fails to address what needs to be addressed.

We are not going to see a Special Counsel to investigate election fraud or election tampering. This will just go quietly into the night (as every question other than Russian collusion always has).

That being said, if you did see a Special Counsel... you would end up with dozens if not hundreds of people who would probably be found guilty of criminal activity (such as double voting, mail in ballot fraud, etc...) Not enough to prove an invalid election, but enough to be far and away more successful than the Mueller probe in terms of successful prosecutions.

We have already had multiple people charged for 2020 election fraud and in some cases it involved thousands of potential ballots. I would love to see someone just go through with a large team and clean house on everyone who commits fraud. It's a serious state and in many cases a federal crime. But it is treated like jay walking. People will do it right in front of law enforcement and they never bother to cite anyone. So they go right ahead and do the same thing in the next election, without fear of consequences.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Oh dear. Looks like the courts will continue to uphold state legislatures' right to determine how to conduct elections fairly.

C.H. Truth said...

Oh dear. Looks like the courts will continue to uphold state legislatures' right to determine how to conduct elections fairly.

Oh dear, huh? That bothers you?

I always thought as a liberal you were against state's rights and believe everything should be federalized.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

I guess Scott can't see sarcasm when it slaps him in the face.

Anonymous said...

Oh dear, huh? That bothers you?

I always thought as a liberal you were against state's rights and believe everything should be federalized.



what the pederast and seemingly every other liberal has conveniently missed is that the argument has always been - should states be allowed to violate their own constitutions with regards to election laws and just allow their state supreme courts to do whatever the fuck they want. like in PA, where the court magically decreed that mail in ballots required no signature and no postmark and no deadline for submission.

if THAT'S not a recipe for election fraud, nothing is. and the very liberal PA supreme court KNEW THIS and that's why they allowed it.

Anonymous said...

Blogger JamesNewLeaf said...

Oh dear. Looks like the courts will continue to uphold state legislatures' right to determine how to conduct elections fairly.



pederast, when state courts strip away "state legislatures' right to determine how to conduct elections fairly" that violates that state's constitution.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scott,  the courts will continue to uphold state legislatures' right to determine how to conduct elections fairly.


It won't change probably, without a Constitutional amendment. I don't think that the federal government can change it.

But your analysis of the election system is pretty good

I have a relative who believes that because Biden didn't get enough counties to win the election.

When a state like South Dakota has dozens of counties it doesn't matter! Each vote there is equal to 9 people in California

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Federal Constitution overrides the state constitution.

Marbury vs Madison I think

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137, was a landmark U.S. Supreme Court case that established the principle of judicial review in the United States, meaning that American courts have the power to strike down laws, statutes, and some government actions that they find to violate the Constitution of the United States.

Some conservatives have been trying to bypass it.

But the precedent philosophy will prevail.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

The Federal Constitution overrides the state constitution.

Marbury vs Madison I think


LOL.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/tenth_amendment


the dogma of being a fucking moron lives loudly within you alky.


Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

III. The Elections Clause of the United States Constitution

The Elections Clause of the United States Constitution states:

“The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.”
U.S. Const. art. I, § 4, cl. 1. Likewise the counterpart to the Elections Clause for the Executive Branch provides: “The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.” Id. art. II, § 1, cl. 3.

On numerous occasions the Supreme Court has expounded the meaning of these clauses. Under the Elections Clause, “the states are given[] and in fact exercise wide discretion in the formulation of a system for the choice by the people of representatives in Congress.” United States v. Classic, 313 U.S. 299, 311, 61 S.Ct. 1031, 85 L.Ed. 1368 (1941). The power of the States to prescribe the 539*539 “times, places and manner” for electing federal representatives encompasses nearly every procedural facet of a federal election.

“It cannot be doubted that these comprehensive words embrace authority to provide a complete code for congressional elections, not only as to times and places, but in relation to notices, registration, supervision of voting, protection of voters, prevention of fraud and corrupt practices, counting of votes, duties of inspectors and canvassers, and making and publication of election returns; in short, to enact the numerous requirements as to procedure and safeguards which experience shows are necessary in order to enforce the fundamental right involved…. All this is comprised in the subject of ‘times, places and manner of holding elections[.]'”

Anonymous said...



good job alky.

you have wildly misapplied the Marbury v Madison ruling which means that the Federal courts can rule upon and strike down laws which violate the US Constitution.



C.H. Truth said...

Actually Roger... Marbury vs Madison just allows that courts can strike down laws that violate the constitution.

The Supremacy Clause (in theory) is where Federal Law is supposed to supersede State law.

But while that exists in theory, State can generally make their own laws that conflict and unless the issues within the State travel across State boundaries, then the Federal Government stands down.

For instance, marijuana is illegal at a Federal level. Yet, you do not see the Feds going in and raiding the pot shops in California, Colorado, Washington, or the slew of other states that have legalized it.

But in terms of real constitutional issues, the 9th, 10th, and even 11th amendments to the constitution demand that issues not directly provided in the constitution to Federal jurisdiction falls to the State.

So, yeah there is a lot of murkiness and it's not well defined or clear. But at the end of the day, I would follow your state laws if there is a difference between State and Federal. Telling the police officer who arrests you that their is no federal laws against what you did is not going to help your case much.

Anonymous said...



“The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.”

correct.

and irrelevant to what happened in 2020, PARTICULARLY with regards to PA where the PA State Supreme Court ignored their state constitution; specifically regarding the PA state legislature being constitutionally responsible for state election law, and, since they wanted Biden by any means necessary, took it upon themselves to rule that mail in ballots in PA required NO signature, NO postmark, and there was NO deadline for submission.

the election laws of each state are solely the responsibility of the Legislatures of each state. if PA wanted to amend their election laws to address the mail in ballots, it had to be done by the legislature. not the court.


Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Newly-Elected Lawmaker Insists Trump Won
January 1, 12:28 pm EST
Rep.-elect Burgess Owens (R-UT) expressed his support for a challenge to the Electoral College vote that certified President-elect Joe Biden’s win, telling the Salt Lake Tribune that there’s “no question” that President Trump won reelection.

Said Owens: “There’s no question in my mind that I think he won.”

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No question that he thinks?
I question that he thinks at all!



Police Brace for Pro-Trump Rallies
12:25 pm
“A city accustomed to mass protests is gearing up for especially intense ones over what should be the most mundane of political events: the counting of Electoral College votes during a special joint session of Congress,” USA Today reports.

“At the urging of President Trump, however, die-hard supporters are planning to descend on the nation’s capital Jan. 6, to pressure Republican lawmakers into aligning themselves with the doomed effort to overturn Joe Biden’s electoral victory.”

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IOW, a doomed effort to overthrow the Constitution of the United States of America.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scott, I know it's very complicated.

But I believe it's a good decision about.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Vice President Pence is doing exactly what he should do!!!!!!!!!!!!


WASHINGTON — Vice President Mike Pence has asked a federal judge to reject a lawsuit filed by a group of Republicans who want to put the authority to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's election win in the hands of the vice president.

Pence, in a 14-page filing by Justice Department attorneys Thursday evening, claimed the lawsuit should be brought against Congress.

"[T]hese plaintiffs' suit is not a proper vehicle for addressing those issues because plaintiffs have sued the wrong defendant," the response states, continuing that Pence "is ironically the very person whose power they seek to promote."
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On the sixth the Vice President Biden will be declared the 46th President

Anonymous said...

2021 Roger screws up , that took all of 11 hours.
Roger AmickJanuary 1, 2021 at 12:08 PM

The Federal Constitution overrides the state constitution.

Marbury vs Madison I think"

Think again there Scooter.

And about your other issue brought here in 2021.


As of Thursday, 342,577 Americans had died from the pandemic." Roger

So year over year the USA will have 342,577 more deaths?

Anonymous said...

James, why are you bragging about you huge Net worth?

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Not bragging.
You said I'm "impoverished."
I said guess my net worth.

But you are not worth wasting time on.
This is a place for discussing politics, not for personal insults and attacks.

Ignore.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump said twenty million would be innoculated by the end of 2020.
It has come and gone.
Number innoculated, three million.

Trump said the virus would be getting better.
It's getting worse.

America and Brazil have the worst rates of cases and deaths in the world.
What explains that?
What do they have in common?

Caliphate4vr said...

This is a place for discussing politics

Spamming the blog from Goddard constantly isn’t discussion pederast, it’s boring

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

It's not boring. Amuse yourself by answering the question in 1:33.

Myballs said...

Federal government has sent out 12M doses. At that point, it moves to the states to distribute locally.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

TA TA!!!
Congress Overrides Trump Veto of Defense Bill
2:38 pm
Congress delivered a stinging rebuke to President Trump, handing him his first veto override in the final days of his administration, the Washington Post reports.

The 81 to 13 vote in the Senate came just days after the House also voted in overwhelming numbers to back the legislation, despite Trump’s repeated protests.

HE JUST DON'T GET NO RESPECT.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

If they had moved extremely quickly, that still would be only twelve of Trump's promised twenty million by the end of 2020.

Anonymous said...

Blogger JamesNewLeaf said...

Trump said twenty million would be innoculated by the end of 2020.
It has come and gone.
Number innoculated, three million.


not Trump's fault pederast, but nice try...


Moderna slows coronavirus vaccine trial enrollment to ensure minority representation, CEO says

Minorities, the elderly and those with underlying health conditions are at highest risk for Covid-19.

Those groups are being prioritized in large clinical trials for coronavirus vaccines.
Moderna is slowing enrollment slightly to ensure minority representation, potentially putting it behind Pfizer.

“I would rather we have higher diverse participants and take one extra week,” Moderna CEO Stephane Bancel said. Diversity “matters more to us than speed.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/04/moderna-slows-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-t-to-ensure-minority-representation-ceo-says.html


a "pastor." who lies like it's fucking job. LOL.


Anonymous said...

LOL:

IT’S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!

● Four years to save the Earth: 2020 is the deadline to avert climate catastrophe, experts claim in chilling commentary.

—Agence France-Presse, June 29, 2017.

I blame Obama:

● President ‘has four years to save Earth.’

—The London Guardian, January 27, 2009.

Which brings us to our current hellscape: “A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate by 2020.”

—The London Guardian, February 21, 2004.



https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/423474/


Myballs said...

So you're no longer focused on the 3M delivered. Anything to bitch about Trump.

Those 12M are 12M more than all of his critics said he would be able to deliver.

Myballs said...

I can't believe 5hat Deblasio had the gall to dance on TV in Time Square after keeping everyone else out. Just when I think Portland has the worst mayor, that idiot says hold my beer.

Anonymous said...


Those 12M are 12M more than all of his critics said he would be able to deliver.


not only that, the TDS crowd openly laughed and scoffed on XiNN and MSDNC at the Trump claim of even HAVING a vaccine by EOY 2020.

so for the umpteenth time, Trump correct, critics embarrassingly WRONG.

Anonymous said...

Again, don't bring you Lack of net worth here, and then hide James.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

What Trump claimed, he claimed.
I am not lying when I point that out.
Was he?

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

And when Trump said that it was nothing but a form of the flu and that people could get it and still go to work if they wanted to or just stay home a day or two and that we would be down to near zero cases and deaths within a very few days and that it was not a pandemic and even recently said that we had turned the corner on it and it was starting get better when it has gotten worse... all that he said, and I am not lying about it.

And how about that time he got caught saying he knew all along it was serious because it was air borne and when he was asked, Why didn't you tell people, he lied that he didn't want people to panic -- he said that too, and I'm not lying.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

140 House Republicans Will Object to Electoral Tally
3:23 pm
The lawsuit Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) filed to force Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the Electoral College vote claims that 140 of his Republican House colleagues will join him in objecting to the results of the presidential election.

That's not a lie, either.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Of all the nations, America and Brazil have the highest numbers of Covid cases and deaths.

What explains that?
The answer is very simple.

Anonymous said...

Question for the Three Socialists of CHT?

Has Trump always been your President since he was sworn in?

Caliphate4vr said...

The answer is very simple.

You’re fucking stupid is the answer

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

(Bloomberg) -- Congress handed Donald Trump a major, bipartisan defeat in the waning days of his presidency, as the Republican-led Senate voted to override his veto of a $740.5 billion defense policy bill.

It’s the first time one of Trump’s vetoes has been surmounted.

The final tally was 81 to 13, easily exceeding the two-thirds threshold needed to override a veto, with support coming from both Republicans and Democrats as it did earlier in the House. The massive annual defense authorization measure now will become law.




Anonymous said...

"What explains that?" James

I don't know, do tell.

Myballs said...

Population size explains it for one thing. Deaths per 100,000 has U.S. 13th at 105. UK is at 108. I think it was San Marino highest at 174. From nbcnews.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

The answer is really, really simple.
Nobody has come up with it yet.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Republicans Grow Frustrated with Hawley’s Stunt
4:47 pm
“Multiple Senate Republicans unloaded on an effort led by Sen. Josh Hawley to challenge Joe Biden’s election victory as the party hurtles toward its most consequential confrontation with Donald Trump of his entire presidency,” Politico reports.

“Hawley denied that he was trying to overturn the election by challenging the certification of at least one state and forcing the Senate into an up-or-down vote on Biden’s wins. He said he was merely trying to voice his frustration with the election results, arguing this is his one chance ‘to stand and be heard.'

“But some of his colleagues are thoroughly unimpressed.”
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He is forcing many to take a stand they don't want to take.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Since Trump will no longer be the President in 19 days, Mike Pence is positioning himself as the Presidential race in 2024. He has done everything he was asked to say or do by the President.

I think that he's trying to get the Republican party, to be the conservative party, instead of the Trump party. He is the only person who has the standing in the Republican party now.

Twitter will probably suspend his account, just like they did to Alex Jones.

If he is doing what I think I will respect him for honoring his oath to Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America. rrb will call him a traitor and should be shot in the head.

Vice President Pence asked a judge late Thursday to reject a lawsuit that aims to expand his power to use a congressional ceremony to overturn the presidential election, arguing that he is not the right person to sue over the issue.
The filing will come as a disappointment to supporters of President Trump, who hoped that Pence would attempt to reject some of President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral college votes and recognize votes for Trump instead when Congress meets next week to certify the November election.

Anonymous said...

He was never your President Roger.

Do you want Dark Winter Presidency to be treated like your team threated Trump.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Kputz, he was elected President.

I opposed him.

Shut up kputz

Myballs said...

I answered. You just don't like the answer

Myballs said...

He will be. After how demd treated Trump for 4 years, there will go no unity.

Anonymous said...

Roger, you said repeatedly Trump was not your President.

You don't to get to change your position.

oh and attempt to control your public displays of anger .

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...



Trumpism has left the United States in a condition where it is a morally and ethically undead country, shambling on by instinct and compulsion with no real direction or vision. President-elect Joe Biden will have to be a type of political sorcerer or exorcist to somehow heal America. Such a task is likely too great for any one person or presidential administration. A society-wide reconstruction project will be necessary.

Fintan O'Toole describes the broken state of America in Trump's last days in a new essay for the Irish Times:

The power of his instinct was that he knew how to tap into a hatred of government that has been barely below the surface of American culture since before the foundation of the US.
That instinct proved sufficiently well attuned that he got nearly 75 million votes in November, even while his malign incompetence was killing his own people. He got those votes, moreover, having made it abundantly clear that he would never accept the result of the election unless he won. They were votes for open autocracy.
This is his legacy: he has successfully led a vast number of voters along the path from hatred of government to contempt for rational deliberation to the inevitable endpoint: disdain for the electoral process itself.
In this end is his new beginning. Stripped of direct power, he will face enormous legal and financial jeopardy. He will have every reason to keep drawing on his greatest asset: his ability to unleash the demons that have always haunted the American experiment — racism, nativism, fear of "the government."
Trump has unfinished business. A republic he wants to destroy still stands. It is, for him, not goodbye but hasta la vista. Instead of waving him off, those who want to rebuild American democracy will have to put a stake through his heart.


If Pence steps out in opposition to Trump, and succeeds we may have a chance for a return to normality.



Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

This letter appeared in our local paper The Pantagraph

Disappointed with LaHood's actions

Following the announcement that over 100 Republican Members of Congress had signed a document in support of the Texas lawsuit before the Supreme Court seeking to invalidate votes cast in the No­vember Presidential election in four states, I sent the following email to my Congressman, Darin LaHood:

"As a constituent and former Republican officeholder, I am deeply concerned and extremely disappointed that you allowed your name to be added to the anti -democratic and clearly frivolous lawsuit filed in the United States Supreme Court by the Texas Attorney General. It is appalling to see how many Republican officeholders--like your­self--continue to march lockstep in support of any of President Trump's demands, regardless of how spurious they are. I admire Republican Representatives Adam Kinzinger and Rodney Davis who chose not to join the lawsuit. They demonstrated independence and good judgment!

"The Attorney General of the State of Pennsylvania, in pleadings before the United States Supreme Court, referred to the lawsuit as a 'seditious abuse of the judicial process': In my 22 years as a Circuit Court Judge in Centra11llinois (often presiding in counties in your district), a case like that filed by the Texas Attorney General-- so thinly supported by law or evidence -- would likely have resulted in a request for the imposition of sanctions against the party filing the lawsuit."

Constituents of Representative LaHood will be watching as Con­gress meets in joint session in January to certify the votes of the Elec­toral College. We will be watching to see that Representative LaHood performs his Constitutional duty by voting to accept the results of the Electoral College rather than joining yet another anti-democratic attempt to object to the electoral votes from the four states named in the Texas case summarily rejected by the Supreme Court. We will be watching.
--John Freese, Normal, IL

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...
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Myballs said...
I answered. You just don't like the answer
_________

No, I don't. The correct answer is so much simpler.

Anonymous said...

Roger, why are you so uncontrollably angry?

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Ignore

Myballs said...

More people leads to more cases is pretty simple. The U.S. is 3rd largest population in the world.

Caliphate4vr said...


Anonymous Myballs said...
More people leads to more cases is pretty simple. The U.S. is 3rd largest population in the world.


He’s not smart enough to understand that

Kputz said...


Lindsey Graham

@LindseyGrahamSC

·

Jan 1, 2021

With all due respect to my Republican colleagues, a $2k direct payment for individuals and families who are struggling is not socialism. In my view it is necessary in the times in which we live.

Lindsey Graham

@LindseyGrahamSC

The country is being overwhelmed by #COVID, hospitals are full, and business are hanging by a thread. Direct payments may not be most efficient way to help people in need but, given the situation we face are extremely necessary.

12:38 PM · Jan 1, 2021

He is a RINA

Anonymous said...

Oh, lookie one of the Socialists of CHT created a fake I'D.

Anonymous said...

James , it speaks poorly upon you that you excuse and ignore Rogers outburst of anger here and against Lydia.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

A federal judge in Texas has dismissed a long-shot lawsuit by Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) that sought to overturn the presidential election, saying neither the congressman nor his allies have legal standing to pursue the case.
The judge’s Friday night ruling tosses out what many election law experts considered a far-fetched theory to challenge the formal mechanism by which President-elect Joe Biden will be affirmed as the winner of the race for president.
U.S. District Judge Jeremy D. Kernodle issued an order dismissing the case because, he found, neither Gohmert nor his fellow plaintiffs have a sufficient legal stake in the process to justify the lawsuit. Kernodle was nominated to the federal bench by Trump.


The third branch is saving our country from an authoritarian dictatorship.

Myballs said...

The one that weaponized the IRS, FBI, DOJ, fisa court against the opposing party?

anonymous said...

BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!! I guess trump demanding Barr indict both biden and clinton was okay in the ball less alternate universe!!!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And, I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And, he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And, there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.”
"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.”
"It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale."
"And, let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are, because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.___ Steve Schmidt, Co-founder of the Lincoln Project

Anonymous said...



you're impressed with the ranting's of a grifter, alky?

LOL.

good for you.

btw, schmidt's greatest accomplishment is getting himself installed on the payroll at MSDNC.



Anonymous said...

Roger, same old tired no original thought wife Abuser.

Dead are Roger's Goals of 2020, in Fact none was within reach:
Dating a Model
Own a Large Home
Have a Huge bank Account
Own a Audi A8 ($75 K)

The saddest part is a 70 year old Wife Abuser unable at the end of his life's work to have these things.

Alky's Biggest Lie told here "I have a 6 figure income guaranteed for life".

Never was reality.

anonymous said...


btw, schmidw's greatest accomplishment is getting himself installed on the payroll at MSDNC.


Sounds like sour grapes for the loser ladies shoe salesman of NY>>>>>> BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!! And what is your legacy dumb fuck????? Sucking trumps dick!!!!! BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!!

Myballs said...

The same Steve Schmidt that pushed McCain to pick Palin as his running mate. But now that he's a democrat, Roger thinks he's a genius.

Btw, Schmidt and Biden are bith alums of university of Delaware. Schmidt became a dem in 2020, no doubt to show Biden 5hay he's all in for him.

Anonymous said...




LEFTISTS HAVE SEVERE MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL ISSUES THAT COMPEL THEM TO FOUL THEIR NESTS WHEREVER THEY ARE: A multibillion-dollar f-you.

This dialogue was punctuated by a pithy tweet from Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, who describes herself as a progressive Democrat, “F*ck Elon Musk.”

At that time, we had no idea how much that tweet, and attitude, would cost us.

Nine months later, Elon Musk is gone. He is selling all his personal real estate in the state. He is now a resident of the state of Texas. He has moved his philanthropic foundation to Texas, too.

Consider the unfathomable irony of progressive Democrats forcing Elon Musk to give up on California. Musk came to this state as an immigrant and proceeded to do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions through Tesla Inc. (Nasdaq: TSLA) and its subsidiary, solar panel manufacturer SolarCity Corp., than all the “progressive” politicians in the state combined. Musk didn’t talk about it. He simply brought products to market that benefited the consumer, the environment and his shareholders. He should have been the poster boy for the green agenda, but instead they turned on him because he committed the ultimate sins: He made money and he questioned their authority.

This year, Musk is likely paying billions in state tax. Next year, he will be a resident of another state.

The damage goes much deeper than the tax revenue of one person. Musk didn’t just leave the state. He turned on the state. It is now his mission to get other innovators to leave as well. According to Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, he is on the phone with Musk once a week, strategizing about how to get other California companies to relocate to Texas. In the last few weeks, Hewlett Packard Enterprise Co. (NYSE: HPE) and Oracle Corp. (NYSE: ORCL) have both announced they are moving their headquarters to Texas, with other potential moves in the pipeline.

In a nutshell, California state income tax is the highest in the nation, California’s ranking for “business friendliness” is the lowest, and we have elected representatives who would lob crass, vulgar F-bombs at the people who are paying the freight.

The worst thing about the Gonzalez tweet is that no one called her on it. No one in state government had the guts to repudiate her words and show a modicum of respect for a man many call “the da Vinci of our age.” Don’t think other business owners don’t notice.

Why stay in a state that’s run by nasty people who hate you?


https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/423452/

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Myballs said...

The same Steve Schmidt that pushed McCain to pick Palin as his running mate. But now that he's a democrat, Roger thinks he's a genius.



LOL.

always remember that schmidt got beat by a racist ACORN stooge.

and the lincoln project? they managed to get exactly NO ONE elected down ballot, and close to 90% of all the money they raised went straight into the pockets of schmidt, rick wilson, and the other scumbags who were in on the grift.

the fact that the alky is so enamored with such a mediocre and inconsequential individual tells you all you need to know about the alky's intellect.



Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump Declares That He is
Right About Everything and Any
Disagreement With Him is Invalid

no, he didn't actually say that, but he did say the following:

Trump Calls Georgia Runoffs ‘Illegal and Invalid’
“President Trump took to Twitter Friday evening to make the unfounded assertion that Georgia’s two Senate races are ‘illegal and invalid,’ an argument that could complicate his efforts to convince his supporters to turn out for Republican candidates in the two runoff races that will determine which party controls the Senate,” the New York Times reports.

“Some Republican leaders are afraid that his supporters will take the president’s argument seriously, and decide that voting in a ‘corrupt’ system is not worth their time, a development that could hand the election to the Democrats.”

Anonymous said...

James , it speaks poorly upon you that you excuse and ignore Rogers outburst of anger here and against Lydia.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump Plans to Fight Election Even After Rally Ends
10:29 am EST
“Many of Donald Trump’s most dogmatic supporters see a mass protest in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6—just two weeks shy of Inauguration Day 2021—as their last chance to disrupt President-elect Joe Biden’s win. But for the president himself, it’s just another day to complain,” the Daily Beast reports.

“Two people familiar with the matter say that in recent days, Trump has told advisers and close associates that he wants to keep fighting in court past Jan. 6 if members of Congress, as expected, end up certifying the electoral college results.

Said one source:
“The way he sees it is:
'Why should I ever let this go?… How would that benefit me?'”
_____________

Well, Mr. soon to be exPresident, it might go a small distance toward keeping you from going down in history as the biggest jerk ever to inhabit the White House.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Balls: The same Steve Schmidt that pushed McCain to pick Palin as his running mate

JamesNewLeaf: He must have been secretly working for the Democrats even back then.:-)

Myballs said...

All those hourly workers who saw rising wages don't think him such a jerk.

I think LBJ was a pretty big jerk.

Myballs said...

Maybe he's just not all that good. Kinda like Bob schrum.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

BALLS: The U.S. is 3rd largest population in the world.

JAMES: Then why don't China and India have more Covid cases and deaths than we do? Their populations are each more than a billion people. We have only 330 million.

No, there's a much simpler reason for why the USA and Brazil lead the world in cases and deaths.

A very simple, easy to answer reason.
__________

BTW, five nations have populations larger than Brazil's. So why are we first and Brazil is second to us?

The answer is incredibly simple.

Myballs said...

We don't know China's count. They've been putting out false data from the beginning.

India cycle is behind ours. They began later than we did.

This is not complicated analysis.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Wrong again. The answer is just
SO simple.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Warning: Do NOT read -- I repeat, do NOT read -- any of the good stuff I just posted on the next thread up.

It might upset you too much!

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

The top thread up, that is. Not the silly football stuff.

Myballs said...

No James. I am not wrong.

anonymous said...

who saw rising wages don't think him such a jerk.


I am sure those millions still out of work think otherwise.....idiot!!!!

Myballs said...

Why are they out of work dumbass? Don't be such a simpleton just to be partisan.

Anonymous said...



I am sure those millions still out of work think otherwise.....idiot!!!!

i wouldn't assume that all those out of work due to covid are as stupid as you are to blame Trump, BWAA.