Wait till the defense plays "the rest of the tape" where George Floyd had already told the two arresting officers that he "couldn't breath" somewhere in that same vicinity of times... He couldn't breath when they attempted to have him walk to the police car. He couldn't breath when they put the handcuffs on him. He couldn't breath when they tried to get him into the back seat of the police car.
All that took place before Officer Chauvin was even there.
Curious Roger. How did a knee to the neck cause Floyd to have trouble breathing even "prior" to the officer who did it even being there?
If you can reconcile that for me, Roger... then we can continue.
But if you are gullible enough to be pulled in by emotions, then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
I watched the entire tape. Junkie Floyd was saying "I can't breathe" and "Please don't kill me" before he was even on the ground with a knee on his neck.
The asshole had enough Fentanyl coursing through his system to kill 5 adults.
To the original question - can Chauvin get a fair trial. Imo that's 50-50 at this point. With powerful scumbags like Ellison involved, all bets are off.
Ch seems to think that when someone tells you he can't breathe multiple times in multiple situations, the proper response is at last to hold him down in handcuffs with your knee on his neck as he continues to say he can't breathe.
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Ch aka Scottie seems to think that when someone tells you he can't breathe multiple times in multiple situations, the proper response is at last to hold him down in handcuffs with your knee on his neck as he continues to say he can't breathe.
Because he was addicted to fentanyl, his tolerance was higher than a person who has not been admitted for years.
admitted to what?
and his "tolerance" is not relevant. The toxicology report is what it is, and the acknowledged fatal levels of the drug are what matters.
Using your "logic" a guy charged with drunk driving can tell the judge that because he pounds a fifth of liquor each day like it's his fucking job, that should be taken into consideration.
"Seriously your honor, I might be hammered 24/7, but my tolerance is WAY up, and I can drive just fine with a BAC of .24."
Probably because the prosecution used the emotional term to garner an emotional response from people who are incapable of controlling their emotions.
Just like the original "I can't breathe" guy - Eric Garner - selling loose cigarettes in NYC who died, and just like Michael 'Gentle Giant' Brown with the fictional "Hands up, don't shoot."
Pure emotion, pure bullshit, but that's how the left rolls.
Perhaps the first two officers should have left him be when they first heard him say he couldn't breath. Then obviously they should not have put handcuffs on him when he said he couldn't breath. They obviously should not have requested he walk when he was complaining that he couldn't breath. More obviously they should not have tried to get him into the police car when he was complaining he couldn't breath.
I guess they are a guilty of murder and should be summary executed because a drug addict with three times the fatal amounts of Fentanyl in his system died while in their custody.
They should have just let him go the minute he said he couldn't breath. Because calling an Ambulance (as they did) was not enough.
Shoot em on the spot, the Reverend says!
Better yet, flog them first. Maybe demand they suffer in pain to purify their souls like they did at the end of Braveheart. Then maybe draw and quarter them. No trial. No jury. No defense. Just make them pay!!!
Obviously they deserve that because a "person of color" died in their custody.
Tolerance and dependence may still occur, even with a legitimate prescription. Tolerance means the body needs more of the drug to create the same effect – a common occurrence with opioid painkillers that fentanyl is designed to combat, so people with severe chronic pain can still get relief when other opioids stop working.
Tolerance and dependence may still occur, even with a legitimate prescription. Tolerance means the body needs more of the drug to create the same effect – a common occurrence with opioid painkillers that fentanyl is designed to combat, so people with severe chronic pain can still get relief when other opioids stop working.
So you're saying that Junkie Floyd had a legit prescription alky?
I look forward to the prosecution producing THAT.
Without it, all of your other rhetoric regarding tolerance to Fentanyl is FUCKING WORTHLESS.
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Everyone understands an increased amount of tolerance for a drug, Roger.
But he had three times the lethal limit. No matter what sort of drunk someone is they can only tolerate so much.
For comparable purposes, three times the lethal amount of alcohol would be between 0.70 and 1.20 (when you can be arrested for being drunk at 0.10).
So that would be like trying to argue that it's virtually impossible for a person who had 1.0 alcohol in the bloodstream to have actually died from it.
Keep in mind, they have to prove that he he did "not" die from Fentanyl. They cannot just make it seem "unlikely" that he died. If it is even fairly reasonable to assume he could have died from Fentanyl, then the prosecution will not have proven their case.
Again.... Roger seems to believe that the defense will have to prove that he died from Fentanyl beyond a reasonable doubt. They just have to introduce that it is possible that it was the cause of death, and that creates reasonable doubt.
Lead defense attorney Eric Nelson gave a 25-minute opening statement for the defense, arguing the evidence in the case is "far greater than 9 minutes and 29 seconds." He said Floyd died as a result of the drugs in his system and underlying medical conditions "that compromised an already compromised heart."
The prosecution anticipated in their opening statements
The prosecution anticipated in their opening statements
Of course they did...
Because it is an obvious defense and 99 times out of a 100 the prosecution would have never brought this case to trial because the defense is not only obvious, but pretty solid.
If the prosecution is going to allow this to becomes a debate over whether or not three times the lethal amount of Fentanyl can kill someone, then they will lose (or should lose) - because if there is any question as to the underlying reason that is the very definition of "reasonable doubt".
They have to completely eliminate the possibility that Fentanyl could have killed him. Both sides will provide expert opinion. But I would rather be the person arguing that having three times the lethal amounts of an Opioid in your system "can" actually kill someone, rather than the one arguing that it's impossible.
Because it is an obvious defense and 99 times out of a 100 the prosecution would have never brought this case to trial because the defense is not only obvious, but pretty solid.
Which is exactly why I don't trust this trial as far as I can throw a city bus.
I'm looking at the evidence presented by both sides.
But you already seem convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that three times the lethal amount of Fentanyl could not have killed him and that a Mpls trained and approved police restraining move is "strangulation".
So what part of the defense has "swayed" you so far?
That is what will happen if the BLM crowd is not provided their human sacrifice.
I predict the city burns either way. Out of protest for a not guilty verdict, or celebration for a guilty verdict, BLM is a pack of fucking savage animals that only knows one way to react to anything.
I don't expect violence if he is declared not guilty. Perhaps peaceful demonstrations
Do you remember the violence in Mpls this summer, Roger... or has that already slipped your mind?
Local people here believe that the reason that they pushed so hard to reinstate a 3rd degree charge (which makes no sense given what 3rd degree is and what he did) - was because city officials are worried about rioting if he if found guilty of anything other than murder.
Local officials are worried that even a manslaughter conviction will cause riots.
Apparently their faith that the country has all changed because Dementia Joe is now hobbling around the White House wondering where he is... is not in line with yours.
In 1933 FDR created the Civilian Conservation Corps. The government created millions of jobs. My father Ivan worked for them in the Black Hills of South, after my parents got married.
From what I've been reading is the Sleepy Joe Biden is creating a new version, to reconstruct our infrastructure on Wednesday. But private sector will be hired to build bridges and rebuild others.
Is that Democrats want a repeat of the giant stimulus package passed under Obama for all of those "shovel ready projects" that turned out to not be shovel ready?
Is that Democrats want a repeat of the giant stimulus package passed under Obama for all of those "shovel ready projects" that turned out to not be shovel ready?
Make no mistake... any "infrastructure investment package" is a Trojan Horse for the Green Nude Eel.
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It will also build renewable energy systems and perhaps Nuclear Power plants.
The 911 dispatcher said she was disturbed by the police officers neck compression on a live camera, and for the first time, called her supervisor to stop the strangulation on George Floyd for nine minutes and 29 seconds.
The longer video is very disturbing. Floyd had quit breathing, and he still conducting strangulation for several minutes.
Every time you use the term "strangulation" you realize that you are falling for rhetorical semantic gas lighting.
The knee to the neck is not strangulation. It cannot physically be used to strangle someone. There was no physical evidence of strangulation in the autopsy either.
Boy the prosecution would have loved a gullible emotional liberal with preconceived hatred of police on the jury! You already have him on death row and the trial is barely a half day old!
"In recent weeks, Buttigieg has held scores of meetings with transportation, business and labor groups on infrastructure, which will take up a major part of the upcoming $3 trillion "Build Back Better" plan."
So in essence... the Prosecution is attempting to use the Police 911 dispatcher as what exactly? A medical expert with medical training that can watch a video and make a medical opinion?
If I pushed you down under my car and knelt down on your neck and used my 220lb on your neck, I would be strangling you until you quit breathing, I would be guilty of second degree murder.
If I pushed you down under my car and knelt down on your neck and used my 220lb on your neck, I would be strangling you until you quit breathing
Wrong... any MMA person will tell you that a choke hold has to get on the neck and cut off the esophagus or be able to block off both carotid arteries. Neither is possible when you put a knee to the side of a neck.
I think this is what fostered roger's hate of Asians
Officer who stood by as George Floyd died highlights complex Asian American, black relations
The image of then-Minneapolis police Officer Tou Thao, a Hmong American, standing with his back turned as a white officer knelt on George Floyd's neck has ignited a discussion about how to approach the topic of anti-blackness in the Asian American community.
Thao, who has a history of being involved in use-of-force incidents, is being described by activists as a symbol of Asian American complicity in anti-blackness following the death of Floyd https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/officer-who-stood-george-floyd-died-asian-american-we-need-n1221311
If I blocked your tracheostomy,you would have died for lack of oxygen.
I should not have used chs post
A tracheostomy is a medical procedure — either temporary or permanent — that involves creating an opening in the neck in order to place a tube into a person's windpipe. The tube is inserted through a cut in the neck below the vocal cords. This allows air to enter the lungs.
No insults asshole like the racist rodent bastard.
Prosecutors introduce previously unseen cellphone video of Floyd’s arrest with second witness
By Kim Bellware
Prosecutors called their second witness to the stand Monday afternoon as they introduced seven cellphone video clips of Floyd’s arrest that had not been made public until now.
The newly-public footage was captured by 23-year-old Alisha Oyler, who worked at the Speedway gas station across the street from Cup Foods and filmed the series of short clips for more than eight minutes. Prosecutor Steve Schleicher asked the visibly nervous Oyler why she continued to film the interaction at length.
“It’s always the police — they’re always messing with people. And it’s wrong and it’s not right,” Oyler said.
Oyler testified she first saw Floyd when he was still on the corner near the Dragon Wok restaurant before police took him to the squad car in front of Cup Foods.
Through his line of questioning, Schleicher sought to establish Oyler’s perspective and her observations about the number of people on the scene at that point in the arrest — a move seemingly geared toward undermining the defense’s claims about a gathering crowd it said increased pressure on the officers as they tried to subdue Floyd.
If I kneel down on Your trachea, or windpipe, is one part of your airway system for nine minutes or twenty nine minutes until you died I would be guilty of second degree murder, because I would not have planned in advance.
I actually had memorized the anatomy of humans 50+ years ago. When I the about becoming a doctor.
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The progress we have made on vaccinating this country is a great American story. The federal government has stepped up, taken responsibility, and launched a massive federal vaccination program. Governors and mayors of both political parties — Republicans and Democrats — have stepped up as well. Our military, our National Guard, FEMA — they have all been incredible. Healthcare providers, community leaders from all walks of life — so many volunteers of all ages and backgrounds stepped up as well. And my fellow Americans, look at what we have done the past 10 weeks. No other country has come close: 100 million shots in less than 60 days, and now we’re moving on to the next 100 million shots in just 40 days.
The prosecution broke down the timing of Chauvin's kneeling into three sections: 4 minutes and 45 seconds as Floyd cried out for help, 53 seconds as Floyd's flailed due to seizures and 3 minutes and 51 seconds as Floyd was non-responsive. after he died of strangulation
You are emotionally incapable of getting away from the argument that he was strangled and you will use any emotional argument and even anger in an attempt to justify it.
Even implicitly threatening me... a person with a wresting and martial arts background with trophies for winning tournaments in both practices.
I guess if you were that sure that your argument was logical (and not emotional) you wouldn't need threats of physical violence to prove it!
Settle down Roger... you are about to break a blood vessel or two with your raging anger.
A Michigan judge on Monday ordered three men to stand trial in a plot to kidnap Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer over her coronavirus restrictions.
Jackson County District Court Judge Michael Klaeren ruled there was enough evidence and bound over Paul Bellar, Joe Morrison and Pete Musico to circuit court to stand trial.
“The defendants are joined at the hip here,” Klaeren said before announcing his ruling. “The prosecution did a good job in establishing who knew what and when.”
Arguments were heard Monday by Klaeren following three earlier days of testimony.
The three men are accused of aiding six others who are charged in federal court with conspiring to kidnap Whitmer. Five more people are also charged in state courts.
The FBI in October said it broke up a plot to kidnap Whitmer by anti-government extremists upset over her coronavirus restrictions.
Klareen said there was enough evidence for trial on charges of providing material support for terrorist acts, gang membership and using a firearm during a felony. Klaeren dismissed a charge of threat of terrorism against Musico and Morrison. Bellar didn't face that charge.
The threat of terrorism, providing material support for terrorist acts and gang membership charges each are 20-year felonies. Felony firearm charges carry two-year maximum prison sentences.
March 29, 2021 at 5:11 PM Blogger Roger Amick said... Blood vessels are irrelevant because the lack of oxygen is the cause of death, according to the autopsy report.
Editor’s Note (3/29/21): The murder trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer charged in the death of George Floyd, began with the defense arguing that Floyd died of underlying medical conditions and drug use. This contradicts two autopsy reports—one by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office and the other by private doctors commissioned by Floyd's family—that ruled the cause of death was homicide. This story from June 2020, written by 12 physicians, explains how inaccurately portraying the medical findings from Floyd’s autopsy emboldens white supremacy under the cloak of authoritative scientific rhetoric.
The world was gaslit by misreporting about George Floyd’s initial autopsy report. As concerned physicians, we write to deconstruct the misinformation and condemn the ways this weaponization of medical language reinforced white supremacy at the torment of Black Americans.
Gaslighting is a method of psychological manipulation employed to make a victim question their own sanity, particularly in scenarios where they are mistreated.
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Yes, illegal immigration is a problem; yes, the United States has the right to control who comes in and out of the country; yes, there are people in the U.S. who ought to be deported. But telling people who were raised here and educated here (thanks to decisions made by their elders) and whose dreams are rooted here that that they are no longer welcome — well, that would be an inhumane act. These people, many now adults, should not be forced to pay the price for the choices of their parents.
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Judge tosses terrorism threat charge against 3 accused in alleged Whitmer plot
Three men accused in an alleged plot to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer will not face charges of false report or threat of terrorism, a Jackson County judge ruled Monday.
Judge Michael Klaeren of 12th District Court in Jackson dismissed the charge against Joseph Morrison, 26, and Pete Musico, 43, both of Munith, and declined a request by prosecutors to add it to the charges against Paul Bellar, 22, of Milford.
"There has to be some form of intent here to incite mayhem," said Judge Michael Klaeren of 12th District Court in Jackson.
The charge carried a possible penalty of 20 years in prison.
...
Klaeren on Monday ordered Bellar, Morrison and Musico to stand trial on three remaining charges, gang membership and providing material support for terrorism, both punishable by up to 20 years in prison, as well as felony firearm, punishable by up to two years in prison.
Well if we just used the "conclusion" of an autopsy report.... there would be no need for a trial!
Roger, like the Reverend... just believes you should just shoot the four cops where they stand, summary execution style. No trial, no jury, no nothing. Just what a pressured medical examiner and a paid medical hack state. Who, btw, contradict each other.
136 comments:
Can Chauvin is innocent.
The prosecution must prove a reasonable doubt that he's guilty as charged.
The video and again the autopsy conducted by the government will be entered into the trial.
The prosecution is speaking right now.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Can Chauvin is innocent.
The prosecution must prove a reasonable doubt that he's guilty as charged.
Gibberish
THWAP! THWAP!!
Gibberish
Snorting his oxy's has really fucked him up even worse than usual.
Please I can't breathe 27 times
"They are going to kill me "
His last words of his life were Please I can't breathe.
After Mr. Floyd quit breathing, officer Chauvin continued to strangle him for almost four more minutes.
Chauvin is innocent until proven guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Roger..
Wait till the defense plays "the rest of the tape" where George Floyd had already told the two arresting officers that he "couldn't breath" somewhere in that same vicinity of times... He couldn't breath when they attempted to have him walk to the police car. He couldn't breath when they put the handcuffs on him. He couldn't breath when they tried to get him into the back seat of the police car.
All that took place before Officer Chauvin was even there.
Curious Roger. How did a knee to the neck cause Floyd to have trouble breathing even "prior" to the officer who did it even being there?
If you can reconcile that for me, Roger... then we can continue.
But if you are gullible enough to be pulled in by emotions, then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
I watched the entire tape. Junkie Floyd was saying "I can't breathe" and "Please don't kill me" before he was even on the ground with a knee on his neck.
The asshole had enough Fentanyl coursing through his system to kill 5 adults.
To the original question - can Chauvin get a fair trial. Imo that's 50-50 at this point. With powerful scumbags like Ellison involved, all bets are off.
But if you are gullible enough to be pulled in by emotions, then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
On this particular topic the alky is just a fucking clown. He had Chauvin convicted of murder the day it happened.
Scott, I'm not being emotionally involved, I want officer Chauvin to be given a fair trial. He's the person in the trial, not George Floyd.
Whether or not was George Floyd was black or white is irrelevant in the trial of officer Chauvin.
They are running the video right now
look , Roger removed all doubt .
He doesn't know what "Pass Through Businesses" are.
" Roger AmickMarch 28, 2021 at 3:28 PM
The taxes are on individual people, who are extremely rich Not the corporation."
Like I said:
My favorite post on this blog are from Roger and Jamie.
Any time they post on the Economy.
Here is what you should have known, but clearly didn't.
"Pass-through businesses include sole proprietorships, partnerships, limited liability companies, and S-corporations."
Small Business, Small Farms and "Mom and Pop" , you want to tax them to death.
It is as if Jamie and Roger purposely get economic issues wrong.
Socialist Stooges of CHT think this :
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CAPITALISM,
or at least
the form of it
that is now being
practiced
in the United States
and in Russia,
is indeed
UNSUSTAINABLE"
The other officer said let him go, he is handcuffed
The other officer said "this is bullshit "
He continued to strangle him for 5 more minutes
Get off his fucking neck bro!
During minutes and 29 seconds Mr. Floyd was not breathing for half the time
The prosecution said that
Intent is going to be introduced soon.
Always Wrong Roger strikes again.
" Roger AmickMarch 29, 2021 at 9:38 AM
Can Chauvin is innocent.
"The prosecution must prove a reasonable doubt that he's guilty as charged"
Again, another area Roger is clueless.
If they prove intent he might be convicted of second degree murder.
Your ignorance is getting worse every day
Ch seems to think that when someone tells you he can't breathe multiple times in multiple situations, the proper response is at last to hold him down in handcuffs with your knee on his neck as he continues to say he can't breathe.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Get off his fucking neck bro!
The knee to the neck was approved Minneapolis Police Arrest Procedure.
Bro.
THWAP!!!
Wow Roger...
You sure seem.... emotional.
LOL.
Because he was addicted to fentanyl, his tolerance was higher than a person who has not been admitted for years.
Roger is so emotional...
That he believes that the Minneapolis police department teaches a knee to the neck "strangulation" hold.
Probably because the prosecution used the emotional term to garner an emotional response from people who are incapable of controlling their emotions.
The type that might be prone to losing their temper to the degree that they hurt those around them and cause police involvement.
Oxygen deficiency causes death.
That's what the prosecution said today, not me asshole
You should never be on a jury
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Economists BULLISH on Biden’s Infrastructure Plan
Taegan Goddard citing AXIOS (click on politicalwire.com for the article)
“Economists are becoming positively giddy about the potential for economic growth this year as President Biden and Congressional Democrats look set to push forward a $3 trillion infrastructure bill.
“S&P predicts Biden’s infrastructure plan
will create 2.3 million jobs by 2024,
inject $5.7 trillion into the economy
— which would be 10 times what was lost during the recession —
and raise per-capita income by $2,400.”
Always Wrong Roger.
""The prosecution must prove a reasonable doubt that he's guilty as charged"
Take the time to change your statement Roger, as it stands, your statement is wrong.
Ch aka Scottie seems to think that when someone tells you he can't breathe multiple times in multiple situations, the proper response is at last to hold him down in handcuffs with your knee on his neck as he continues to say he can't breathe.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Because he was addicted to fentanyl, his tolerance was higher than a person who has not been admitted for years.
admitted to what?
and his "tolerance" is not relevant. The toxicology report is what it is, and the acknowledged fatal levels of the drug are what matters.
Using your "logic" a guy charged with drunk driving can tell the judge that because he pounds a fifth of liquor each day like it's his fucking job, that should be taken into consideration.
"Seriously your honor, I might be hammered 24/7, but my tolerance is WAY up, and I can drive just fine with a BAC of .24."
You're an idiot alky.
THWAP!!!
Jamie, thanks for putting a price tag on the Infrastructure Bill.
"inject $5.7 trillion"
So, $3 trillion was the cash on hand that you said Biden has .
And now $5.7 Trillion for The New Green Deal.
Probably because the prosecution used the emotional term to garner an emotional response from people who are incapable of controlling their emotions.
Just like the original "I can't breathe" guy - Eric Garner - selling loose cigarettes in NYC who died, and just like Michael 'Gentle Giant' Brown with the fictional "Hands up, don't shoot."
Pure emotion, pure bullshit, but that's how the left rolls.
The defense is presenting their case.
"Blogger Roger Amick said...
Because he was addicted to fentanyl, his tolerance was higher than a person who has not been admitted for years."
"admitted to what?" RRB
Abusing Schedule 5 drugs is something Roger knows about .
They are going beyond the 9 minutes and 29 seconds.
The drugs caused his death, not that it contributed to his death.
We will see
Always Wrong Roger
��The defense is presenting their case.��
You meant to say "The defense is presenting their opening arguement/Statement".
Well Reverend...
Perhaps the first two officers should have left him be when they first heard him say he couldn't breath. Then obviously they should not have put handcuffs on him when he said he couldn't breath. They obviously should not have requested he walk when he was complaining that he couldn't breath. More obviously they should not have tried to get him into the police car when he was complaining he couldn't breath.
I guess they are a guilty of murder and should be summary executed because a drug addict with three times the fatal amounts of Fentanyl in his system died while in their custody.
They should have just let him go the minute he said he couldn't breath. Because calling an Ambulance (as they did) was not enough.
Shoot em on the spot, the Reverend says!
Better yet, flog them first. Maybe demand they suffer in pain to purify their souls like they did at the end of Braveheart. Then maybe draw and quarter them. No trial. No jury. No defense. Just make them pay!!!
Obviously they deserve that because a "person of color" died in their custody.
Dependence and tolerance.
Tolerance and dependence may still occur, even with a legitimate prescription. Tolerance means the body needs more of the drug to create the same effect – a common occurrence with opioid painkillers that fentanyl is designed to combat, so people with severe chronic pain can still get relief when other opioids stop working.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Because he was addicted to fentanyl, his tolerance was higher than a person who has not been admitted for years.
Whaaaa????
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Dependence and tolerance.
Irrelevant.
Tolerance and dependence may still occur, even with a legitimate prescription. Tolerance means the body needs more of the drug to create the same effect – a common occurrence with opioid painkillers that fentanyl is designed to combat, so people with severe chronic pain can still get relief when other opioids stop working.
So you're saying that Junkie Floyd had a legit prescription alky?
I look forward to the prosecution producing THAT.
Without it, all of your other rhetoric regarding tolerance to Fentanyl is FUCKING WORTHLESS.
Scott has been saying for months after the incident that he died of a drug overdose, not strangulation .
Evidence matters
And here's where the alky plagiarized his irrelevant bullshit:
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/fentanyl-treatment/side-effects
Scott has been saying for months after the incident that he died of a drug overdose, not strangulation .
Evidence matters.
Jamie, 20 million US Jobs were lost during 2020.
"&P predicts Biden’s infrastructure plan
will create 2.3 million jobs by 2024,
inject $5.7 trillion into the economy
— which would be 10 times what was lost during the recession —"
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/fentanyl-treatment/side-effects
The defense is actually claiming the state government intended to alter the results of the autopsy in order to convict officer
Chauvin
Everyone understands an increased amount of tolerance for a drug, Roger.
But he had three times the lethal limit. No matter what sort of drunk someone is they can only tolerate so much.
For comparable purposes, three times the lethal amount of alcohol would be between 0.70 and 1.20 (when you can be arrested for being drunk at 0.10).
So that would be like trying to argue that it's virtually impossible for a person who had 1.0 alcohol in the bloodstream to have actually died from it.
Keep in mind, they have to prove that he he did "not" die from Fentanyl. They cannot just make it seem "unlikely" that he died. If it is even fairly reasonable to assume he could have died from Fentanyl, then the prosecution will not have proven their case.
Again.... Roger seems to believe that the defense will have to prove that he died from Fentanyl beyond a reasonable doubt. They just have to introduce that it is possible that it was the cause of death, and that creates reasonable doubt.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
The defense is actually claiming the state government intended to alter the results of the autopsy in order to convict officer
Chauvin
Well alky, with a scumbag like Keith Ellison involved, that's extremely feasible. Not a stretch at all.
Lead defense attorney Eric Nelson gave a 25-minute opening statement for the defense, arguing the evidence in the case is "far greater than 9 minutes and 29 seconds." He said Floyd died as a result of the drugs in his system and underlying medical conditions "that compromised an already compromised heart."
The prosecution anticipated in their opening statements
Can we expect a steady stream of plagiarism on this topic today alky?
Of course not. The second autopsy report that he was strangled to death, and the drugs were not the case of his death.
The defense wants to convince the jurors the drugs were the only reason why he died.
I'm not looking at this as justice for George Floyd. The police officer is on trial.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/03/29/derek-chauvin-trial-live-opening-statements-george-floyd-case/7018401002/
Can we expect a steady stream of plagiarism on this topic today alky?
That and disjointed word salad
The second autopsy report that he was strangled to death, and the drugs were not the case of his death.
The second autopsy report was compiled by an independent ME who never physically examined Junkie Floyd.
It's pure, unadulterated BULLSHIT.
The prosecution anticipated in their opening statements
Of course they did...
Because it is an obvious defense and 99 times out of a 100 the prosecution would have never brought this case to trial because the defense is not only obvious, but pretty solid.
If the prosecution is going to allow this to becomes a debate over whether or not three times the lethal amount of Fentanyl can kill someone, then they will lose (or should lose) - because if there is any question as to the underlying reason that is the very definition of "reasonable doubt".
They have to completely eliminate the possibility that Fentanyl could have killed him. Both sides will provide expert opinion. But I would rather be the person arguing that having three times the lethal amounts of an Opioid in your system "can" actually kill someone, rather than the one arguing that it's impossible.
Because it is an obvious defense and 99 times out of a 100 the prosecution would have never brought this case to trial because the defense is not only obvious, but pretty solid.
Which is exactly why I don't trust this trial as far as I can throw a city bus.
Scott said.
But if you are gullible enough to be pulled in by emotions, then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
The police officer is on trial.
I'm looking at the evidence presented by both sides.
He is innocent.
Until the jury decides, I am not convinced either way.
If one juror dissents, a mistrial will be declared by the judge.
Then??? Who knows what happens next
Then??? Who knows what happens next
Are you kidding? The city will burn to the ground...
That is what will happen if the BLM crowd is not provided their human sacrifice.
I'm looking at the evidence presented by both sides.
But you already seem convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that three times the lethal amount of Fentanyl could not have killed him and that a Mpls trained and approved police restraining move is "strangulation".
So what part of the defense has "swayed" you so far?
If this is the only reason for a reasonable doubt, it looks like a weak case against the police officer's case.
The 9 minutes and 29 seconds may convince the jurors, instead.
Neither way!
But you are!
I don't expect violence if he is declared not guilty. Perhaps peaceful demonstrations.
The other way probably nothing, because Sleepy Joe has changed the county.
And the former doesn't have a Twitter feed to call for violence,
The neck compression restraining method should be removed from acceptable restraints response.
The city will burn to the ground...
That is what will happen if the BLM crowd is not provided their human sacrifice.
I predict the city burns either way. Out of protest for a not guilty verdict, or celebration for a guilty verdict, BLM is a pack of fucking savage animals that only knows one way to react to anything.
Full-on, apeshit rioting.
I don't expect violence if he is declared not guilty. Perhaps peaceful demonstrations
Do you remember the violence in Mpls this summer, Roger... or has that already slipped your mind?
Local people here believe that the reason that they pushed so hard to reinstate a 3rd degree charge (which makes no sense given what 3rd degree is and what he did) - was because city officials are worried about rioting if he if found guilty of anything other than murder.
Local officials are worried that even a manslaughter conviction will cause riots.
Apparently their faith that the country has all changed because Dementia Joe is now hobbling around the White House wondering where he is... is not in line with yours.
SLDS?
Ot
In 1933 FDR created the Civilian Conservation Corps. The government created millions of jobs. My father Ivan worked for them in the Black Hills of South, after my parents got married.
From what I've been reading is the Sleepy Joe Biden is creating a new version, to reconstruct our infrastructure on Wednesday. But private sector will be hired to build bridges and rebuild others.
And the renewable energy system.
The Biden Reconstruction Corps.
Sleepy Joe Derangement Syndrome
SLDS
SLDS?
I think they’re a sect in Utah
Crazy guy with a long beard and 22 wives
THWAP!
So what you are saying Roger...
Is that Democrats want a repeat of the giant stimulus package passed under Obama for all of those "shovel ready projects" that turned out to not be shovel ready?
In 1933 FDR created the Civilian Conservation Corps. The government created millions of jobs.
yep.
John dug the hole, Fred filled it in.
Liberal economic development brilliance.
Is that Democrats want a repeat of the giant stimulus package passed under Obama for all of those "shovel ready projects" that turned out to not be shovel ready?
Make no mistake... any "infrastructure investment package" is a Trojan Horse for the Green Nude Eel.
These fuckers just ain't that clever.
Obama was too cautious
Of course donks want this because the businesses they select will load their campaign coffers with my money
Roger, admits
.
The Green Energy Dream is not ready.
"But private sector will be hired to build bridges and rebuild others.
And the renewable energy system."
Obama was too cautious
Obama won 365 ECV had 60 Senators and a huge majority in the House.
Biden won 306 ECV has no Senate Majority and only sliver of a majority in the House.
Biden has no business pushing anything harder than Obama did.
Dive Brief:Major Wall Street firms and publicly traded construction companies are eagerly awaiting President Joe Biden’s Build Back Better infrastructure plan, which he said he will detail in his first State of the Union address scheduled for Feb. 23. Expectations for a multitrillion dollar initiative have already sent public construction companies’ stocks higher, as institutional investors and contractors that perform civil work signal their bullishness on the issue. Major institutional investor Blackstone, the world’s largest manager of alternative assets, said on its recent earnings call it raised $14 billion for a fund tailored to invest in infrastructure, with deal activity accelerating in both the U.S. and Europe. “We could see more dollars into infrastructure, an area [in which] we haven't underwritten a lot of corporate activity or government activity,” said Jon Gray, the firm’s chief operating officer, during the call. “That could change with a big push by the government.”
It will also build renewable energy systems and perhaps Nuclear Power plants.
They would create millions of union jobs.
https://www.constructiondive.com/news/wall-street-public-construction-firms-eager-for-bidens-infrastructure-pus/594247/
This is another reason why the filibuster should be considered and requires the Senators to speak on the floor of the Senate Senate room
in his first State of the Union address scheduled for Feb. 23.
So much for that, eh
THWAP!
The Three Socialist Stooges of CHT said the Obimbo plan was "too small".
Declared Biden must be bigger , bolder more Socialist.
Totally unaware of Business in the USA.
"
It will also build renewable energy systems and perhaps Nuclear Power plants"
Ok, now we know this is unicorn farts
The 911 dispatcher said she was disturbed by the police officers neck compression on a live camera, and for the first time, called her supervisor to stop the strangulation on George Floyd for nine minutes and 29 seconds.
The longer video is very disturbing. Floyd had quit breathing, and he still conducting strangulation for several minutes.
Roger and Jamie cheered on President Biden to raise taxes specifically on "pass through businesses".
Those are mom and pop stores and small family farms.
This is another reason why the filibuster should be considered and requires the Senators to speak on the floor of the Senate Senate room
No Problem Roger...
Republicans can just take turns talking 24/7 for till 2022... and then the Senate comes to a complete halt and nothing gets passed till it's done.
Roger...
Every time you use the term "strangulation" you realize that you are falling for rhetorical semantic gas lighting.
The knee to the neck is not strangulation. It cannot physically be used to strangle someone. There was no physical evidence of strangulation in the autopsy either.
Boy the prosecution would have loved a gullible emotional liberal with preconceived hatred of police on the jury! You already have him on death row and the trial is barely a half day old!
Sec. of Trannies Peter Buttigieg is the tip.
"In recent weeks, Buttigieg has held scores of meetings with transportation, business and labor groups on infrastructure, which will take up a major part of the upcoming $3 trillion "Build Back Better" plan."
$ 3 Trillion, ok. Let's go.
So in essence... the Prosecution is attempting to use the Police 911 dispatcher as what exactly? A medical expert with medical training that can watch a video and make a medical opinion?
Not sure yet
If I pushed you down under my car and knelt down on your neck and used my 220lb on your neck, I would be strangling you until you quit breathing, I would be guilty of second degree murder.
I'm looking at both sides, I don't know if he's guilty or not, but under the law he is innocent.
Trying to destroy her credibility. But I don't think she was told what to say during the trial.
If I pushed you down under my car and knelt down on your neck and used my 220lb on your neck, I would be strangling you until you quit breathing
Wrong... any MMA person will tell you that a choke hold has to get on the neck and cut off the esophagus or be able to block off both carotid arteries. Neither is possible when you put a knee to the side of a neck.
��CDC Director Rochelle Walensky on Monday said rebounding Covid case counts gave her a sense of "impending doom" ��
Too fucking funny.
I think this is what fostered roger's hate of Asians
Officer who stood by as George Floyd died highlights complex Asian American, black relations
The image of then-Minneapolis police Officer Tou Thao, a Hmong American, standing with his back turned as a white officer knelt on George Floyd's neck has ignited a discussion about how to approach the topic of anti-blackness in the Asian American community.
Thao, who has a history of being involved in use-of-force incidents, is being described by activists as a symbol of Asian American complicity in anti-blackness following the death of Floyd
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/officer-who-stood-george-floyd-died-asian-american-we-need-n1221311
If I blocked your esophagus by kneeling on your neck, you would die of lack of oxygen.
Aka strangulation
https://www.vox.com/22334274/joe-biden-infrastructure-climate-push-explained
Blogger Roger Amick said...
If I blocked your esophagus by kneeling on your neck, you would die of lack of oxygen.
Whose esophagus is on the side of their neck
THWAP!
Updated
If I blocked your tracheostomy,you would have died for lack of oxygen.
I should not have used chs post
tracheostomy
Roger Amick said...
Updated
If I blocked your tracheostomy,you would have died for lack of oxygen.
I should not have used chs post
A tracheostomy is a medical procedure — either temporary or permanent — that involves creating an opening in the neck in order to place a tube into a person's windpipe. The tube is inserted through a cut in the neck below the vocal cords. This allows air to enter the lungs.
THWAP! THWAP!! THWAP!!!
https://www.healthline.com/health/tracheostomy
No insults asshole like the racist rodent bastard.
Prosecutors introduce previously unseen cellphone video of Floyd’s arrest with second witness
By Kim Bellware
Prosecutors called their second witness to the stand Monday afternoon as they introduced seven cellphone video clips of Floyd’s arrest that had not been made public until now.
The newly-public footage was captured by 23-year-old Alisha Oyler, who worked at the Speedway gas station across the street from Cup Foods and filmed the series of short clips for more than eight minutes. Prosecutor Steve Schleicher asked the visibly nervous Oyler why she continued to film the interaction at length.
“It’s always the police — they’re always messing with people. And it’s wrong and it’s not right,” Oyler said.
Oyler testified she first saw Floyd when he was still on the corner near the Dragon Wok restaurant before police took him to the squad car in front of Cup Foods.
Through his line of questioning, Schleicher sought to establish Oyler’s perspective and her observations about the number of people on the scene at that point in the arrest — a move seemingly geared toward undermining the defense’s claims about a gathering crowd it said increased pressure on the officers as they tried to subdue Floyd.
If I kneel down on Your trachea, or windpipe, is one part of your airway system for nine minutes or twenty nine minutes until you died I would be guilty of second degree murder, because I would not have planned in advance.
I actually had memorized the anatomy of humans 50+ years ago. When I the about becoming a doctor.
He was kneeling on his wind pipe
In case you’re unsure that’s sarcasm Alky
Feel your own neck and the trachea is in the center of your neck.
Murderers squeeze in with their thumb
Sleepy Joe said this live today.
2:30 P.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Last week, we set a goal of 200 million shots by day 100 of our administration — double the original goal that I had set. And to make that progress, over the last three days, we’ve had a record number of shots in arms with over 10 million shots recorded in the weekend. Over 10 million shots in three days — that would have been inconceivable in January.
The progress we have made on vaccinating this country is a great American story. The federal government has stepped up, taken responsibility, and launched a massive federal vaccination program. Governors and mayors of both political parties — Republicans and Democrats — have stepped up as well. Our military, our National Guard, FEMA — they have all been incredible. Healthcare providers, community leaders from all walks of life — so many volunteers of all ages and backgrounds stepped up as well. And my fellow Americans, look at what we have done the past 10 weeks. No other country has come close: 100 million shots in less than 60 days, and now we’re moving on to the next 100 million shots in just 40 days.
The prosecution broke down the timing of Chauvin's kneeling into three sections: 4 minutes and 45 seconds as Floyd cried out for help, 53 seconds as Floyd's flailed due to seizures and 3 minutes and 51 seconds as Floyd was non-responsive. after he died of strangulation
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Feel your own neck and the trachea is in the center of your neck.
Murderers squeeze in with their thumb
So Chauvin was now squeezing Junkie Floyd’s neck with his thumb(s), I haven’t seen that video. Can you enlighten us?
THWAP! THWAP!!
If I blocked your esophagus by kneeling on your neck, you would die of lack of oxygen.
You cannot block an esophagus by kneeling on the SIDE of a neck, Roger.
That is why the knee to the SIDE of the neck is a trained and acceptable means for Mpls police officers to hold someone down.
It's like me saying that if I knelt on your arm hard enough I could break your leg. One has nothing to do with the other.
But hey Roger...
As least one thing is clear.
You are emotionally incapable of getting away from the argument that he was strangled and you will use any emotional argument and even anger in an attempt to justify it.
Even implicitly threatening me... a person with a wresting and martial arts background with trophies for winning tournaments in both practices.
I guess if you were that sure that your argument was logical (and not emotional) you wouldn't need threats of physical violence to prove it!
Settle down Roger... you are about to break a blood vessel or two with your raging anger.
You always insult me when I prove you're wrong again and again and
Blood vessels are irrelevant because the lack of oxygen is the cause of death, according to the autopsy report.
You have no background to make the decision on kneeling on the side of his neck. Gaslighted by the Redstate press
The thief was wrong
A Michigan judge on Monday ordered three men to stand trial in a plot to kidnap Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer over her coronavirus restrictions.
Jackson County District Court Judge Michael Klaeren ruled there was enough evidence and bound over Paul Bellar, Joe Morrison and Pete Musico to circuit court to stand trial.
“The defendants are joined at the hip here,” Klaeren said before announcing his ruling. “The prosecution did a good job in establishing who knew what and when.”
Arguments were heard Monday by Klaeren following three earlier days of testimony.
The three men are accused of aiding six others who are charged in federal court with conspiring to kidnap Whitmer. Five more people are also charged in state courts.
The FBI in October said it broke up a plot to kidnap Whitmer by anti-government extremists upset over her coronavirus restrictions.
Klareen said there was enough evidence for trial on charges of providing material support for terrorist acts, gang membership and using a firearm during a felony. Klaeren dismissed a charge of threat of terrorism against Musico and Morrison. Bellar didn't face that charge.
The threat of terrorism, providing material support for terrorist acts and gang membership charges each are 20-year felonies. Felony firearm charges carry two-year maximum prison sentences.
March 29, 2021 at 5:11 PM
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Blood vessels are irrelevant because the lack of oxygen is the cause of death, according to the autopsy report.
Whaaaa???
Editor’s Note (3/29/21): The murder trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer charged in the death of George Floyd, began with the defense arguing that Floyd died of underlying medical conditions and drug use. This contradicts two autopsy reports—one by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office and the other by private doctors commissioned by Floyd's family—that ruled the cause of death was homicide. This story from June 2020, written by 12 physicians, explains how inaccurately portraying the medical findings from Floyd’s autopsy emboldens white supremacy under the cloak of authoritative scientific rhetoric.
The world was gaslit by misreporting about George Floyd’s initial autopsy report. As concerned physicians, we write to deconstruct the misinformation and condemn the ways this weaponization of medical language reinforced white supremacy at the torment of Black Americans.
Gaslighting is a method of psychological manipulation employed to make a victim question their own sanity, particularly in scenarios where they are mistreated.
Scott is a prime example of gaslighted
Lolololololololololol The Los Angeles Times.
It would be coldhearted indeed if President Trump were to end the Obama administration’s policy of not deporting immigrants who were brought illegally to the United States as children.
Yes, illegal immigration is a problem; yes, the United States has the right to control who comes in and out of the country; yes, there are people in the U.S. who ought to be deported. But telling people who were raised here and educated here (thanks to decisions made by their elders) and whose dreams are rooted here that that they are no longer welcome — well, that would be an inhumane act. These people, many now adults, should not be forced to pay the price for the choices of their parents.
The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program — which Trump is considering killing, according to White House leaks — was designed to give stability to people whose undocumented status is no fault of their own. Some arrived here as newborns or toddlers, and in many cases didn’t even realize they had no legal status until they needed a Social Security number for a job or documentation to prove their eligibility for their first driver’s license. Others have known from a young age, and have learned to live as quasi-fugitives, afraid to be questioned by police or, even worse, by ICE agents. Since Obama created the program by executive action in August 2012, roughly 750,000 people have received deferments that allow them to live and work in the U.S. without fear of deportation. (The deferments do not grant citizenship or legal residency.) By what calculation is it in the best interest of the country to eliminate their deferments and make them eligible for deportation?
Roger Amick said...
The thief was wrong
NOPE
Judge tosses terrorism threat charge against 3 accused in alleged Whitmer plot
Three men accused in an alleged plot to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer will not face charges of false report or threat of terrorism, a Jackson County judge ruled Monday.
Judge Michael Klaeren of 12th District Court in Jackson dismissed the charge against Joseph Morrison, 26, and Pete Musico, 43, both of Munith, and declined a request by prosecutors to add it to the charges against Paul Bellar, 22, of Milford.
"There has to be some form of intent here to incite mayhem," said Judge Michael Klaeren of 12th District Court in Jackson.
The charge carried a possible penalty of 20 years in prison.
...
Klaeren on Monday ordered Bellar, Morrison and Musico to stand trial on three remaining charges, gang membership and providing material support for terrorism, both punishable by up to 20 years in prison, as well as felony firearm, punishable by up to two years in prison.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/03/29/gretchen-whitmer-plot-threat-paul-bellar-joseph-morrison-pete-musico/7044920002/
Terrorism charge was dropped.
THWAP !!! if you could convert those to money you'd be rich !!!
This contradicts two autopsy reports
Well if we just used the "conclusion" of an autopsy report.... there would be no need for a trial!
Roger, like the Reverend... just believes you should just shoot the four cops where they stand, summary execution style. No trial, no jury, no nothing. Just what a pressured medical examiner and a paid medical hack state. Who, btw, contradict each other.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10165470822630647&id=890775646
You are the worst hack in history
They will be convicted felons
Blogger Roger Amick said...
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10165470822630647&id=890775646
The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed.
THWAP! THWAP!!
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