Thursday, July 29, 2021

Simone Biles - heroic or an example of today's "me" mentality?

People either think this is the greatest thing since jelly beans or a cowardly act. Perhaps it is neither.  


I am not certainly no Olympic athlete sitting in my 50's staring at a computer. Even in the best of my athletic prime I was a long ways off from being good enough to even fathom the concept of being in the Olympics. I did compete in many sports from grade school through college. I understand the mental aspects of such a competition. I confess that the pressure got to me once or twice in my athletic career. I understand how hard it can be when competition becomes less about the glory of winning and more about the fear of defeat. 

Simone Biles suggested that her reckless abandon from her earlier years has been replaced with an inability to stop focussing on what could go wrong. The pressure of what could go wrong apparently is what has brought about her mental breakdown (for lack of a better description). I get that. Most of the truly successful athletes I knew personally had a sort of reckless abandon and confidence level that held off any thoughts about defeat or failure. When I was at my best in athletic completion, the next game, match, or race was just another chance to prove my skills for everyone to witness. When I was struggling, it was the concern that I would lose and be seen as a failure. 

But what does it say when a top tier athlete breaks down from the pressure and decides to literally just drop out? The question becomes, wouldn't you expect that other top tiered athletes (especially in these sorts of sports) have gone through similar bouts of doubts? Isn't there a time in every athlete's career where reckless abandon and oozing confidence is replaced with some doubt. Is the best manner to deal with that to shut down and stop competing? This is not unlike a golfer who gets the dreaded "yips" or the wide receiver who gets the "drops" or the basketball player who suddenly cannot hit a freethrow. Do they give up, or do they try to work through it?

At this point, I have no issue with Simone Biles. I think I do, however, have issue with people who are literally trying to glorify the decision to drop out and demanding that it was heroic and deserving of massive praise. She doesn't deserve massive amounts of criticism and she certainly deserves some benefit of the doubt considering all she has done for the sport. But her actions are not heroic and they should not be held up as the new standard of behavior in sports. 

44 comments:

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I differ for one reason.

She admitted that she has a problem.

Step One requires the you admit your are addicted to alcohol..


It was extraordinary brave of her to step forward.

Admitting a mental problem is very important and especially on a great athlete!

People like her set an example of how others can address their own problems.


rrb said...




She fucking CHOKED.

Period.

Full stop.

All of the excuses being used to cover for her are bullshit.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The founder of Apple is a modern Karl Marx!

Steve Jobs

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/07/did_karl_marx_really_know_what_he_was_talking_about.html

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

She probably had a preexisting condition.

She was very brave.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scott, you should use her as a model to address your own inability to admit errors.

I'm not surprised by this story about mental illness from you.

Mary Trump PhD diagnosed the former President Trump to a tee.





C.H. Truth said...

Roger...

You speak as if you have never athletically competed in your life?

The major point here is that what she is describing is common.

I once had a rivalry in wrestling with a guy from a town about 50 miles away from where we grew up. I met him in competition probably a half dozen times. I had beaten him by one or two points every time. But this guy was a all out hell bent give it all you got sort of wrestler who would take every match with 100% effort.

The last time we competed I felt like I had nothing to gain. If I won again, what difference would it make. More than that, I was coming back from a medical layoff and wasn't sure I had my best cardio to go the full 6 minutes with this guy. It was like my third match back and I had struggled in the previous two across the board.

I had nothing but negative thoughts and I could not get past the idea that I might not see the same result. I went for a big move within the first 30 seconds. A make or break move and I got broke. I lost big. Coach told me after the match that if that was how I was going to be, that he would replace me with someone who looked like they wanted to be out there.

I took a long hard look at things and ended up coming back that season super strong and finishing on a big win streak. It was all about attitude and getting past those sorts of thoughts. It's hard. People drop out rather than face it. It happens more today than I think it did back then.

I would have rather had seen her try and fail. Personally.

Not sure how that would have been worse? But that is just me.

Anonymous said...

KansasDemocrat July 28, 2021 at 3:46 PM

Tomorrow we get the GDP.
"Economists expect GDP grew at an 8.4% rate in the second quarter, the peak quarter of the recovery this year"

I HOPE IT IS THAT GOOD OR BETTER.

I see it didn't by a lot, Bidenomics underperforming.

Anonymous said...

RRB is right she "Choked".

She played the victim while getting rich.

C.H. Truth said...

Tomorrow we get the GDP.
"Economists expect GDP grew at an 8.4% rate in the second quarter, the peak quarter of the recovery this year"


ECONOMY
U.S. GDP rose 6.5% last quarter, well below expectations

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/29/q2-gdp-rises-at-6point5percent-vs-8point4percent-estimate.html

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The right wing nutcase websites are saying the same thing.

PODCASTThe tyranny of vaccine passportsSPIKED

This is what is worrying about the praise for Biles – it looks like further confirmation that our societies are abandoning the virtues of courage, determination and aspiring to victory in favour of celebrating people’s feelings of weakness. So Biles is brave not for all the astonishing things she has achieved in gymnastics, but for telling everyone she has mental-health problems. That is crazy. A similar valorisation of failure occurred after the Euros final, when the ‘three lions’ we were all expected to cheer were penalty-missers Rashford, Sancho and Saka rather than goal-scorers Kane, Maguire and Shaw (not to mention the heroic Jordan Pickford).

A new generation is being encouraged to admire those who fail or quit more than those who go on, against all the odds, to achieve great and wonderful things. That is a betrayal of the Olympian ideal, and of the broader human ideal of making good on one’s life and one’s talents. We urgently need a countercultural pushback against this love of losers. It can start with recognising that Biles’ abandonment of the Olympics was sad, not heroic.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy


Anonymous said...

"UnExpectedly" below expectations.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I wrestled in junior high and I did gymnastics in high school.

I was quite good using the high rope spinning and I should have continued.

I'm fairly agile and I'm going back to work out regularly since the gyms are open up again.

I still think she is brave enough to come out..


You would be surprised if you watched me workout.


Anonymous said...

Roger can't debate his past post on GDP, but I will.

Roger said he expected "12 % rise in GDP this year"

AND "10 % in the rest of President Biden's term"

What happened Roger?

James, said The Biden Economic Team is made up of "All-Stars".

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

Dinesh D'Souza
https://mobile.twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1420714721624342529


Should Biden take a cue from #SimoneBiles and step down from the presidency on account of a mental health breakdown?



the shoe fits

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...


I see this is VERY IMPORTANT !!!

It's getting a whole shitload of coverage more than the investigation into the worse thing since the Civil War.

As are a whole bunch of other things.

Who would have guessed ???

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The economy is completely recovered from the panic but the Delta variance and other issues are making it difficult.


Economy is now bigger than pre-pandemic, but virus could still be factor

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/29/the-us-economy-is-bigger-than-it-was-pre-pandemic-but-covid-could-still-decide-what-happens-next.html?__source=androidappshare


It's bigger than before!

If Trump was elected President you would be cheering out loud!

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...


The walls are closing in !!!

somewhere

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Economy is now bigger than pre-pandemic, but virus could still be factor

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/29/the-us-economy-is-bigger-than-it-was-pre-pandemic-but-covid-could-still-decide-what-happens-next.html?__source=androidappshare


It's bigger than before!

If Trump was elected President you would be cheering out loud!



Kputz is a fucking joke about everything including economic recovery

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

If Trump was elected President you would be cheering out loud!


YEP, It would probably be DOUBLE !!!


thanks for the softball

you throw like a girl

spotted any more insurrections from your room ?



Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

Jack Posobiec
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1420731903947202577

NBC faces advertiser panic as Tokyo 2020 ratings continue to plummet: 49% fewer viewers tuned into third night of Olympics than in 2016, as star gymnast Simone Biles dramatically pulls out



Maybe our newest oppressed billionaire LeBron can fly out and take a knee with the US Olympic basketball team before they are eliminated to help ratings ???


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Fueled by vaccinations and government aid, the U.S. economy grew at a solid 6.5% annual rate last quarter in another sign that the nation has achieved a sustained recovery from the pandemic recession. The total size of the economy has now surpassed its pre-pandemic level.

Thursday’s report from the Commerce Department estimated that the nation’s gross domestic product — its total output of goods and services — accelerated in the April-June quarter from an already robust 6.3% annual growth rate in the first quarter of the year.

The quarterly figure was less than analysts had expected. But that was mainly because supply chain bottlenecks exerted a stronger-than-predicted drag on companies' efforts to restock their shelves. The slowdown in inventory rebuilding, in fact, subtracted 1.1 percentage points from last quarter's annual growth.

By contrast, consumer spending — the main fuel of the U.S. economy — was robust last quarter: It advanced at an 11.8% annual rate. Spending on goods grew at an 11.6% rate, though down from a 27.4% surge in the first quarter. And spending on services, from restaurant meals to airline tickets, expanded at a 12% rate, up from a 3.9% gain in the January-March period as vaccinations encouraged more Americans to shop, travel and eat out.

For all of 2021, the economy is expected to expand perhaps as much as 7%. If so, that would be the strongest calendar-year growth since 1984. 


7% is better than the Reagan administration in 1984

Anonymous said...

"Roger AmickJuly 29, 2021 at 1:37 PM

"The economy is completely recovered from the "panic" ((correction: Roger meant "Pandemic".

AND no it is not, not even close.

Roger , are the same amount of small businesses open?

Roger, are the same amount of people employees.

Or

Own homes

Or factories open?

The list goes on.

Yet , you dodge your predictions.

Roger said he expected "12 % rise in GDP this year"

AND "10 % in the rest of President Biden's term"

What happened Roger?

Don't "biles" the debate.

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

Barstool Sports

VIDEO:
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1420735449522442241

Suni Lee’s family reacts to her Gold in the Women’s all-around



Great video unless you are an Asian hater

Don't know anything about her but what a supportive family she has

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...


* oops, sorry, they mostly forgot their masks, though I did spot a few

probably will get purged from the internet on the next wave



Anonymous said...

Roger you can attempt to insult me and rage.

But, you can have both.
Either the recovery is so good it can stand on its own feet.

Or

It is so weak that Bidenomics needs QE to continue, zero-25 basis points Federal reserve rate And countless aid and transfer payments, like enhanced unemployment checks
AND this.

"A federal ban on foreclosures is set to end July 31. The Biden administration on Friday unveiled new loan modification options for homeowners with government-backed mortgages, in a bid to stave off a surge in foreclosures as borrowers struggle to pay their bills during the pandemic"

End it.

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

*Walter Bloomberg
https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1420582824386699266

FED'S POWELL: INFLATION COULD TURN OUT TO BE HIGHER, MORE PERSISTENT THAN EXPECTED


Sean Davis

The only people who didn’t expect inflation are the people whose only job on earth, literally the only thing they are paid to do every minute of every hour of every day, year after year after year, is to expect inflation.




unexpectedly, like today's GDP report...

funny how all the "unexpectedly"s are going the opposite way as they did when Trump was president.

Of course we expected that.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Republicans are the party of death by Trumpism

Despair is worse after a brief period of hope. I don’t know about you, but I was elated earlier this spring when it seemed as if Trump and COVID were gone, and Biden seemed surprisingly able to get the nation rapidly back on track.  

Now much is sliding backwards. It’s not Biden’s fault; it’s Trump’s ongoing legacy.

The new Delta strain of the virus requires, according to the CDC, that we go back to wearing masks inside in public places where the virus is surging, even if we’re fully inoculated.

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

Catturd ™
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1420688237757177857

Good morning to everyone except obedient government sheep who laughably think they’re the resistance.

reminded me of someone who's always on here

Anonymous said...

And there it is Roger's white flag.

You can't debate, you only know what others tell you.

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...


Message for Biden and roger:

VIDEO:
https://twitter.com/Trumpgirl19632/status/1420552283360727040



Mimi Patty
@Trumpgirl19632
You regretting that "vax" now are ya?

Anonymous said...

Biden to mandate 😷.

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

Josh Kraushaar
https://mobile.twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1420693837136154630


CDC reversal on indoor masking prompts experts to ask, ‘Where’s the data?’ - The Washington Post


When you are losing the Washington Post you are way off

"science"

Fauci

CDC

Anonymous said...

The "science is political"
Not Medical.

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

Drew Holden

WHOLE THREAD (and it's worth a read, just a few selections):
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1420526431512244227

We’ve all seen the various flip-flops of the CDC and Dr. Anthony Fauci over the last 18 months.

To help keep track, I present “Fauci vs. Fauci,” chronicling the twists, turns, contradictions and backtracks from the man and his agency


To start, we need to focus on Dr. Fauci’s perspective on the virus itself and it’s risk to the United States.

In late January 2020, Fauci said that COVID was a “very, very low risk to the United States.”

I think it goes without saying that his perspective has evolved since.


And you may have forgotten, but the CDC had a brouhaha also in September when new guidance about airborne transmission - including beyond 6 feet - went live on the agency’s website.

It was quickly scrubbed after a brief medical & news firestorm.

Not exactly confidence-inspiring

And we had plenty of flips when it came to teachers wearing masks.

First, the CDC said that they had to, back in May 2020.

Then earlier this month, the CDC said vaccinated teachers and students don’t need one.

But now? Back to where we started - masks for the vaccinated.


Is it any wonder Americans don’t trust public health experts after this? Does it surprise anyone that Dr. Fauci and the CDC aren’t seen as reputable now?

These failures have consequences, and you can measure them in lives.


read the whole thread...

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

Greg Price
https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1420508988639256579

The "study" on breakthrough infections cited by the CDC justifying their masks changes was...

a) based on a vaccine not authorized in the US.
b) was rejected by peer review
c) compared viral loads between variants and made no mention of the unvaccinated


CDC, Fauci and "science"

rejected by peer review

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

Catturd ™
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1420700542507130883

If you get pissed over some new CDC/Fauci guideline, don't worry, it'll be changed again in a few minutes.


FACT CHECK - TRUE

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

thebradfordfile
https://twitter.com/thebradfordfile/status/1420552226649616386

I'll start listening to the government during a pandemic when it closes the border during a pandemic.


Anonymous said...

I HOPE THIS IS TRUE.

"Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said Thursday that all 50 Democrats will vote to move forward on the party’s $3.5 trillion social spending proposal"
POLITICO

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I'm going to the gym in 20 minutes. The gyms are finally open up thanks to Sleepy Joe Biden

Anonymous said...

"LOS ANGELES - COVID-19 cases in Los Angeles County continue to rise. 

The county has been averaging daily new cases between 2,000 and 2,500 over the past week. Numbers like these haven’t been seen since February. "

"According to data from the county, over 25% of new COVID-19 cases in Los Angeles County are from fully vaccinated people"

Commonsense said...

I'm going to the gym in 20 minutes. The gyms are finally open up thanks to Sleepy Joe Biden

So you give the president all credit for opening a business that should have been open at least 6 months ago.

Boy talk about drinking the Kool-aid.

Anonymous said...

CS , this and other economic post of mine sent 4F-Alky packing up a juice box, you know he buys them all by himself.
Roger you can attempt to insult me and rage.

But, you can have both.
Either the recovery is so good it can stand on its own feet.

Or

It is so weak that Bidenomics needs QE to continue, zero-25 basis points Federal reserve rate And countless aid and transfer payments, like enhanced unemployment checks
AND this.

"A federal ban on foreclosures is set to end July 31. The Biden administration on Friday unveiled new loan modification options for homeowners with government-backed mortgages, in a bid to stave off a surge in foreclosures as borrowers struggle to pay their bills during the pandemic"

End it.

anonymous said...


So you give the president all credit for opening a business that should have been open at least 6 months ago.



BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!! WTF DID TRUMP DO OTHER THAN LIE AND HOPE COVID WOULD DISAPPEAR....TRUMP WANTED TO KEEP SICK PEOPLE ON SHIPS TO KEEP THE COUNT DOWN!!!!!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Your a fucking bigot.

Biles stressed the need to put self-preservation over performance, or proving her worth. “I didn’t want to go out there and do something dumb and get hurt. It’s not worth it,” she said. “We’re not just athletes, we’re people.”

Of course, that message was entirely lost on her conservative critics, chiefly white men like Charlie Kirk, Scott Johnson, and Piers Morgan. Kirk trashed Biles as a “national embarrassment,” while Morgan said she “let down [her] country.” Aaron Reitz, Texas’ deputy attorney general, declared her a “national embarrassment.” (He later apologized.) While there’s room for discussion about Biles’ decision, comments like these feel rooted in ancient, racist assumptions that Black people are inherently incapable of representing America at all.

You don't want a black woman to represent the United States of America because she is black.