Fact check: Trump is relentless in election fabrications Associated Press JONATHAN J. COOPER AND CALVIN WOODWARD July 25, 2021, 5:55 AM PHOENIX (AP) — In mid-May, partisan investigators hired by Arizona state lawmakers backed off their allegation that the state's most populous county had destroyed its 2020 election database. Confronted with proof that the data still existed, they admitted everything was there.
Two months later, the tale lives on. At an event Saturday, former President Donald Trump presented the debunked allegation as a key piece of evidence that the state's electoral votes were stolen from him in 2020.
It was one of a number of fabricated and familiar stories Trump told the crowd in his relentless effort to deny the well-established legitimacy of his defeat at the hands of President Joe Biden.
Over nearly two hours, Trump revisited his touchstones of grievance, leveling allegations of fraud that election officials and judges have systematically refuted or brushed aside. It was Trump’s most explicit effort to insert himself into the widely discredited Arizona audit as he tries to increase the pressure on other states to embark on similar efforts.
He spoke of untold thousands of dead people voting — no such phenomenon surfaced in postelection audits.
He alleged 168,000 Arizona ballots were fraudulent — there is no support for that.
TRUMP: “Unbelievably, the auditors have testified that the master database for the election management system, I’m sorry to tell you, has been deleted.... Meaning the main database for all of the election-related data in Maricopa for 2020 has been illegally erased. It’s been erased.”
THE FACTS: Wholly false. The database was never deleted.
At first, auditors hired by Republican state senators sympathetic to Trump reported that a database directory was deleted from an election management server. The official Twitter account tied to the audit said the deletion amounted to “spoliation of evidence.”
The Republican-dominated Maricopa County Board of Supervisors responded by calling the auditors incompetent and threatening to file a defamation lawsuit. Board Chairman Jack Sellers said the auditors “can’t find the files because they don’t know what they’re doing.” Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer, a Republican who took over the elections office after defeating a Democrat, called the allegation “unhinged."
The next day, Ben Cotton, founder of a digital forensics firm working on the audit, confirmed he had recovered all of the files. “I have the information I need,” he acknowledged, and the auditors deleted their tweet. ___
TRUMP: “There were 18,000 people who voted in Arizona in 2020 who were then purged from the rolls immediately after the election.”
THE FACTS: This didn't happen. His insinuation that people were stricken from the rolls because they voted for him is baseless.
Actually, 13,320 voters were removed from the rolls in the two months after the election, not 18,000 right away, and there were routine reasons why.
Voting rolls are updated constantly as people move, die, get convicted of felonies or have their voting rights revoked because of incapacitation. Trump was repeating a claim made by Doug Logan, CEO of Cyber Ninjas, the inexperienced firm leading the state Senate Republicans’ audit of the 2020 election.
Maricopa County officials said their analysis of the data shows 7,916 voters were removed from the rolls because they moved out of the county or died between Nov. 3, which was Election Day, and Jan. 2. An additional 5,404 people were removed for other reasons, including felony convictions, incapacitation or the voters' own request to cancel their registration.
The county has about 2.6 million registered voters.
Overall, Biden won Arizona by 10,457 votes out of 3.4 million cast. That's vastly more than the number of votes where fraud is truly suspected.
County election officials only identified 182 cases where voting problems were clear enough that they referred them to investigators for further review, according to an Associated Press investigation. So far, only four cases have led to charges. No one has been convicted. No person’s vote was found to have been counted twice. ______
Well that source did say "The next day, Ben Cotton, founder of a digital forensics firm working on the audit, confirmed he had recovered all of the files. "
so I guess they were only gaslighting you and you bought it.
Fox News’ Brett Baier Blocks Wendy Rogers On Twitter After Being Slammed For ‘Lying’ About Arizona Audit
Bret Baier, host of the “Special Report with Bret Baier” program on the Fox news channel, has blocked State Senator Wendy Rogers (R-AZ) on Twitter after being called out for his coverage of the ongoing Maricopa County, Arizona election audit.
“Congratulations to @BrettBaier on Fox news for receiving the very first #FakeNews award from me for his bungling of the Arizona call on Nov 3rd for President and for lying and discrediting our very credible audit,” Rogers said on Thursday, accompanied by a screenshot showing that Baier had blocked her on Twitter. “Bonus points for blocking me after I called him out.”
Baier had previously responded to a critic of his audit coverage on July 17 by tweeting, “I did not say that Susan. Please review the tape. I said the investigation continues and so far officially only roughly 200 ballots have been thrown out. I said what the county says and what critics are saying. Go watch again.”
Critics have argued that Baier has downplayed the extent of the significant ballot fraud and election irregularities unearthed in the Maricopa County audit. ...(tweet) It appears that this tweet is what triggered Baier to block Rogers, though it is still considered unusual for members of the press to block elected officials on social media.
but Jesus has still not returned and the Arizona audit has still not been released
But you are sure busy attempting to undermine those audit results prior to them being released, huh?
Why the MASSIVE CONCERN that has you and your ilk spamming literally every thread with these cut and pastes of media articles 100% dedicated to undermine the legitimacy of the audits before they are released?
but what I have read so far regarding the audits from the sources "I" trust show that the Florida Election Officials will have a lot to answer for.
The sharpie controversy alone will be enough to question either the election official's cumulative intelligence, honesty, or both. The fact that they provided signs to use a sharpie when they also claimed to know that they would bleed. Along with the fact that the manufacturer of the election equipment suggested that the offsetting manner in which they create the ballots should not have caused problems even with the bleeding.
Then you have your own people create new replacement ballots without actually providing for a one to one corresponding manner to track the old with the new and then having a completely different number of new ballots than the old ballots (apparently they claim some old ones were not kept). Moreover the percentage of these replacement ballots that were Biden votes was much higher than the percentage of the day of voters as a whole also seems suspicious.
But whether it is not providing one to one correspondence to replacement ballots or having "gaps" in different types of ballots that were counted, or other issues that have been found. It would appear (at the very least) that these Maricopa officials did not keep very good records and therefore are only able to provide "possible" reasons for these discrepancies.
Again... if you were being audited for your financials or your taxes and kept these sorts of records that provided obvious issues that does not have documented explanation... you'd be going to jail.
You believe that they are apparently victims of audits that despite most Americans want, you believe are "dangerous".
The "RESULTS" of that audit are undermining themselves.
They are, but exactly the opposite of how you describe.
CH is correct. Those being audited are criticizing the auditors and are saying "nothing to see here, move along," and the media is reporting "nothing to see here, move along."
This just drips with irony.
The cheaters cheated the election and now they're cheating the audits. Heh.
The truth will prevail. It always does. And it always makes the left look like the crooks that they are.
just google this: "What is the latest on the Arizona audit?" Then read and laugh.
Laugh indeed. At the concrete evidence the MSM is carrying water for those being audited. In lockstep, with not one of them curious enough to consider the fact that the audit produces the evidence of fraud.
Amazing.
100% of the MSM completely convinced that the audit reveals no wrongdoing.
Got results?
Nope.
Got evidence of the MSM colluding with those being audited?
Shit tons.
This is right up there with Harry Reid's "Romney didn't pay his taxes" lie.
When asked about it, Reid proudly asks "Well he didn't get elected, did he?"
An actual audit is not a newspaper story that can be just tossed out in a couple of days. You want some bullet points so you can read your left wing explanation and discount it. Actually that's not true. You have already discounted it before you even have the results. So the results of the audit (for you) won't matter, no matter what they find.
This should (if being done properly) will take time to put together.
Since you have already discounted it because you have accepted your "big lie" lie without question and with full obedience to the cause (Heil Biden) - why do you care how long it takes to release the results?
Disclose.tv https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1419257616144945153 JUST IN - Majority (55%) now pessimistic: Americans' optimism about the direction of the country has plummeted nearly 20 points since May, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds.
JUST IN - Majority (55%) now pessimistic: Americans' optimism about the direction of the country has plummeted nearly 20 points since May, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds.
It's "Welcome back Carter" time, with all the malaise to go with it.
So please explain what is "dangerous" then? Since you say that anyone who questions anything about the election is "dangerous" in doing so. Isn't an audit the ultimate questioning of this?
Obviously the report will be scathing. It will show discrepancy after discrepancy and statistical anomaly after anomaly... it's just a matter of degree.
Those who believe there were problems will run with it and those who believe that questioning election results are "dangerous' and "the big lie" will discount it as they already have.
So not sure what difference it will make to you.
I will look at it with an open mind. There have been many allegations of fraud that have illegitimately and dishonestly tossed around that I have discounted when there is reason to discount it. There are many other allegations that have not been provided any adequate explanation. Those I take seriously.
You... on the other hand, have already (prior to reading anything) have decided that it's all illegitimate and dishonest.
‘We Need the Routers’ July 25, 2021 at 10:41 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
In his continuing search for non-existent voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election, Donald Trump is now suggesting it can be found “in the routers.”
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Fact check: Trump is relentless in election fabrications
Associated Press
JONATHAN J. COOPER AND CALVIN WOODWARD
July 25, 2021, 5:55 AM
PHOENIX (AP) —
In mid-May, partisan investigators hired by Arizona state lawmakers backed off their allegation that the state's most populous county had destroyed its 2020 election database. Confronted with proof that the data still existed, they admitted everything was there.
Two months later, the tale lives on. At an event Saturday, former President Donald Trump presented the debunked allegation as a key piece of evidence that the state's electoral votes were stolen from him in 2020.
It was one of a number of fabricated and familiar stories Trump told the crowd in his relentless effort to deny the well-established legitimacy of his defeat at the hands of President Joe Biden.
Over nearly two hours, Trump revisited his touchstones of grievance, leveling allegations of fraud that election officials and judges have systematically refuted or brushed aside. It was Trump’s most explicit effort to insert himself into the widely discredited Arizona audit as he tries to increase the pressure on other states to embark on similar efforts.
He spoke of untold thousands of dead people voting
— no such phenomenon surfaced in postelection audits.
He alleged 168,000 Arizona ballots were fraudulent
— there is no support for that.
A look at his remarks in Phoenix:
TRUMP:
“Unbelievably, the auditors have testified that the master database for the election management system, I’m sorry to tell you, has been deleted.... Meaning the main database for all of the election-related data in Maricopa for 2020 has been illegally erased. It’s been erased.”
THE FACTS:
Wholly false. The database was never deleted.
At first, auditors hired by Republican state senators sympathetic to Trump reported that a database directory was deleted from an election management server. The official Twitter account tied to the audit said the deletion amounted to “spoliation of evidence.”
The Republican-dominated Maricopa County Board of Supervisors responded by calling the auditors incompetent and threatening to file a defamation lawsuit. Board Chairman Jack Sellers said the auditors “can’t find the files because they don’t know what they’re doing.” Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer, a Republican who took over the elections office after defeating a Democrat, called the allegation “unhinged."
The next day, Ben Cotton, founder of a digital forensics firm working on the audit, confirmed he had recovered all of the files. “I have the information I need,” he acknowledged, and the auditors deleted their tweet.
___
TRUMP: “There were 18,000 people who voted in Arizona in 2020 who were then purged from the rolls immediately after the election.”
THE FACTS: This didn't happen. His insinuation that people were stricken from the rolls because they voted for him is baseless.
Actually, 13,320 voters were removed from the rolls in the two months after the election, not 18,000 right away, and there were routine reasons why.
Voting rolls are updated constantly as people move, die, get convicted of felonies or have their voting rights revoked because of incapacitation. Trump was repeating a claim made by Doug Logan, CEO of Cyber Ninjas, the inexperienced firm leading the state Senate Republicans’ audit of the 2020 election.
Maricopa County officials said their analysis of the data shows 7,916 voters were removed from the rolls because they moved out of the county or died between Nov. 3, which was Election Day, and Jan. 2. An additional 5,404 people were removed for other reasons, including felony convictions, incapacitation or the voters' own request to cancel their registration.
The county has about 2.6 million registered voters.
Overall, Biden won Arizona by 10,457 votes out of 3.4 million cast. That's vastly more than the number of votes where fraud is truly suspected.
County election officials only identified 182 cases where voting problems were clear enough that they referred them to investigators for further review, according to an Associated Press investigation. So far, only four cases have led to charges. No one has been convicted. No person’s vote was found to have been counted twice.
______
EPIC TRUMP FAIL, YET F'N APPLAUDS.
And Ch (Scott Johnson) keeps towing the Trump LIE line.
Actually the database was deleted
The Arizona forensics team was able to recover it
your "source" is very misleading
Well that source did say "The next day, Ben Cotton, founder of a digital forensics firm working on the audit, confirmed he had recovered all of the files. "
so I guess they were only gaslighting you and you bought it.
repeated desperation
Fox News’ Brett Baier Blocks Wendy Rogers On Twitter After Being Slammed For ‘Lying’ About Arizona Audit
Bret Baier, host of the “Special Report with Bret Baier” program on the Fox news channel, has blocked State Senator Wendy Rogers (R-AZ) on Twitter after being called out for his coverage of the ongoing Maricopa County, Arizona election audit.
“Congratulations to @BrettBaier on Fox news for receiving the very first #FakeNews award from me for his bungling of the Arizona call on Nov 3rd for President and for lying and discrediting our very credible audit,” Rogers said on Thursday, accompanied by a screenshot showing that Baier had blocked her on Twitter. “Bonus points for blocking me after I called him out.”
Baier had previously responded to a critic of his audit coverage on July 17 by tweeting, “I did not say that Susan. Please review the tape. I said the investigation continues and so far officially only roughly 200 ballots have been thrown out. I said what the county says and what critics are saying. Go watch again.”
Critics have argued that Baier has downplayed the extent of the significant ballot fraud and election irregularities unearthed in the Maricopa County audit.
...(tweet)
It appears that this tweet is what triggered Baier to block Rogers, though it is still considered unusual for members of the press to block elected officials on social media.
https://nationalfile.com/fox-news-brett-baier-blocks-wendy-rogers-on-twitter-after-being-slammed-for-lying-about-arizona-audit/
Looks like the real audit results will be worth waiting for !!!
This thread has an appropriate logo.
Biden and the Democrats are our nation's only hope just now. They are the true GUARDIANS of the genuine American dream.
Government OF the people,
Government BY the people,
and most important,
Government FOR the people.
Not of, by, and MOSTLY FOR the rich.
Somebody in this country
is going to have to pay more in taxes.
Who's it going to be?
The struggling poor?
The struggling middle class?
The deserving wealthy?
The criminal super wealthy?
Who's it going to be?
waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting
but Jesus has still not returned
and the Arizona audit has still not been released
Are the Cleveland Guardians protecting the Arizona audit ?
Is that how the pederast (formerly known as the lying POS "pastor") decided his audit spam should lead off (baseball term) the thread ?
Well he got picked off (combination of this thread and previous)
ROFLMFAO !!!
Is someone blocking the Arizona audit?
Somebody in this country
is going to have to pay more in taxes.
Who's it going to be?
Everyone
guess the pitch must have hit the POS "pastor" in the head
*gets carried off on stretcher*
ROFLMFAO !!!
but Jesus has still not returned
and the Arizona audit has still not been released
But you are sure busy attempting to undermine those audit results prior to them being released, huh?
Why the MASSIVE CONCERN that has you and your ilk spamming literally every thread with these cut and pastes of media articles 100% dedicated to undermine the legitimacy of the audits before they are released?
Why does this trouble you so, Reverend?
Why are you and Roger so "obsessed" with this?
JamesNewLeaf said...
Is someone blocking the Arizona audit?
No the democrats lost all their lawsuits
Are you really this dumb?
Or just ignorant
Wonder who the GUARDIANS (or suppressors?) of the Arizona alleged "audit" are?
We're just laughing at you.
Look again.
The "RESULTS" of that audit are undermining themselves.
JamesNewLeaf said...
We're just laughing at you.
Possibly you are
by yourself
Mr grammar is using the wrong pronoun
more likely you are lying
as always
JamesNewLeaf said...
Look again.
The "RESULTS" of that audit are undermining themselves.
They haven't been released
ignorant idiot
I think VERY lo iq has been passed
Just like Jimmy Carter
Sorry Reverend...
but what I have read so far regarding the audits from the sources "I" trust show that the Florida Election Officials will have a lot to answer for.
The sharpie controversy alone will be enough to question either the election official's cumulative intelligence, honesty, or both. The fact that they provided signs to use a sharpie when they also claimed to know that they would bleed. Along with the fact that the manufacturer of the election equipment suggested that the offsetting manner in which they create the ballots should not have caused problems even with the bleeding.
Then you have your own people create new replacement ballots without actually providing for a one to one corresponding manner to track the old with the new and then having a completely different number of new ballots than the old ballots (apparently they claim some old ones were not kept). Moreover the percentage of these replacement ballots that were Biden votes was much higher than the percentage of the day of voters as a whole also seems suspicious.
But whether it is not providing one to one correspondence to replacement ballots or having "gaps" in different types of ballots that were counted, or other issues that have been found. It would appear (at the very least) that these Maricopa officials did not keep very good records and therefore are only able to provide "possible" reasons for these discrepancies.
Again... if you were being audited for your financials or your taxes and kept these sorts of records that provided obvious issues that does not have documented explanation... you'd be going to jail.
You believe that they are apparently victims of audits that despite most Americans want, you believe are "dangerous".
The "RESULTS" of that audit are undermining themselves.
They are, but exactly the opposite of how you describe.
CH is correct. Those being audited are criticizing the auditors and are saying "nothing to see here, move along," and the media is reporting "nothing to see here, move along."
This just drips with irony.
The cheaters cheated the election and now they're cheating the audits. Heh.
The truth will prevail. It always does. And it always makes the left look like the crooks that they are.
Ch,
just google this:
"What is the latest on the Arizona audit?"
Then read and laugh.
Oh, and we've been discussing the ARIZONA audits.
Why did Ch suddenly switch to Florida in his last 9:40 post?
Well... when we finally get those RESULTS released, we may have a VERY clear view of who the "crooks" really are.
So RELEASE THEM, ALREADY!
Got results?
just google this:
"What is the latest on the Arizona audit?"
Then read and laugh.
Laugh indeed. At the concrete evidence the MSM is carrying water for those being audited. In lockstep, with not one of them curious enough to consider the fact that the audit produces the evidence of fraud.
Amazing.
100% of the MSM completely convinced that the audit reveals no wrongdoing.
Got results?
Nope.
Got evidence of the MSM colluding with those being audited?
Shit tons.
This is right up there with Harry Reid's "Romney didn't pay his taxes" lie.
When asked about it, Reid proudly asks "Well he didn't get elected, did he?"
As the MSM nods in approval.
JamesNewLeaf said...
Got results?
Earth to pederast !!!
You are the one who brought the "results" to this thread
Now you correctly claim you don't have them ?
ROFLMFAO !!!
are you still being spoon fed ?
CH LIES:
You believe that they are apparently victims of audits that despite most Americans want,
you believe are "dangerous".
_____
JamesNewLeaf TrueLeaf HonestLeaf SAYS:
NO, no, no, no, no, no!
I do NOT believe the audits are "dangerous."
Please release the RESULTS of those audits!
Release them, release them, release them!!!!
Then we can see for ourselves the truth or falsity of what Trump keeps claiming about them.
So RELEASE THEM, ALREADY!
An actual audit is not a newspaper story that can be just tossed out in a couple of days. You want some bullet points so you can read your left wing explanation and discount it. Actually that's not true. You have already discounted it before you even have the results. So the results of the audit (for you) won't matter, no matter what they find.
This should (if being done properly) will take time to put together.
Since you have already discounted it because you have accepted your "big lie" lie without question and with full obedience to the cause (Heil Biden) - why do you care how long it takes to release the results?
Not like you have an open mind.
Glad to see the POS "pastor" is anxiously awaiting the audit results
Hope he will accept them as he now appears to be inferring.
and that Trump won't
We shall see
Good Times !!!
I am going to hold him to this
though he likes being slimy and play word games
all liars do.
Too many of the claims that have been made have already been proved crassly bogus, Ch.
Even you must be aware of THAT. It's THAT obvious!
But I am willing to wait for the final results.
WAITING, waiting, waiting, waiting...
And Trump keeps blustering, blustering, blustering, blustering...
And you keep slurping, slurping, slurping, slurping...
Blogger JamesNewLeaf said...
Too many of the claims that have been made have already been proved crassly bogus,
Proved crassly bogus by who? The MSM?
It's starting to look like the claims of crass bogus-ness are bogus themselves, considering who's making the claim.
The MSM is 100% invested in this Slow Joe an da Ho administration, and no one and nothing will deprive them of what they desire.
You've produced no evident of what YOU claim, pederast, so you might want to start there.
Oh, and btw... compare Trump's rally audience, with the abysmal turn-out for Slow Joe's town hall starring XiNN's Don LeMon.
LOL.
Rasmussen Reports
- 51% of voters believe cheating impacted the 2020 election results
- 55% support 2020 election audits
- And now this:
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1419280815394115585
61 % agree election reform needs to happen in swing states
these numbers keep growing
America may survive the Biden horror show
and a fraudulent election
Disclose.tv
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1419257616144945153
JUST IN - Majority (55%) now pessimistic: Americans' optimism about the direction of the country has plummeted nearly 20 points since May, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds.
Thanks Joe
on deck is Kamala
we are fucked
unless...
JUST IN - Majority (55%) now pessimistic: Americans' optimism about the direction of the country has plummeted nearly 20 points since May, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds.
It's "Welcome back Carter" time, with all the malaise to go with it.
I do NOT believe the audits are "dangerous."
So please explain what is "dangerous" then? Since you say that anyone who questions anything about the election is "dangerous" in doing so. Isn't an audit the ultimate questioning of this?
Obviously the report will be scathing. It will show discrepancy after discrepancy and statistical anomaly after anomaly... it's just a matter of degree.
Those who believe there were problems will run with it and those who believe that questioning election results are "dangerous' and "the big lie" will discount it as they already have.
So not sure what difference it will make to you.
I will look at it with an open mind. There have been many allegations of fraud that have illegitimately and dishonestly tossed around that I have discounted when there is reason to discount it. There are many other allegations that have not been provided any adequate explanation. Those I take seriously.
You... on the other hand, have already (prior to reading anything) have decided that it's all illegitimate and dishonest.
To a liberal, 'truth' is as dangerous as garlic and a crucifix are to a vampire.
Too many of the claims that have been made have already been proved crassly bogus, Ch.
Of course... every election there are crazy reports of things that are crassly bogus from all different sources.
But comparing certain conspiracy theories from politicians or media personalities to a external audit is not really very logical.
In fact, it's an obvious convenient illogical means to support your viewpoint that you can flat out reject everything you read without prejudice.
‘We Need the Routers’
July 25, 2021 at 10:41 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
In his continuing search for non-existent voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election, Donald Trump is now suggesting it can be found “in the routers.”
Or maybe it can be found on the moon...
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