The Taliban are now in control of tens of billions of dollars worth of American and Afghanistan military equipment, including aircraft, attack helicopters, and such. There is talk that American bombers will literally going to have to bomb our own equipment to keep it from being used by the Taliban.
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| Reminded of this as helicopters are landing and taking off from the US embassy in Afghanistan evacuating American personnel |
Oh... but of course. This complete bundling of the process is apparently the fault of Donald Trump or Byron York argued that it was Bush's fault? I guess someone in the Republican Party is to blame, or so that is the narrative that the left will try to create. You can't make this shit up folks!
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Latest security alert from US Embassy in Kabul: "We are instructing U.S. citizens to shelter in place. The U.S. Embassy in Afghanistan has suspended consular operations effective immediately. Do not come to the Embassy or airport at this time."
Now US citizens are going to abandon to the Taliban.
Great job Joe.
Without blaming either side. Basically, we are not an empire state, like The Soviet Union and again Great Britain.
We are all to blame ourselves. We elected our leaders.
If there is a consistent theme over two decades of war in Afghanistan, it is the overestimation of the results of the $83 billion the United States has spent since 2001 training and equipping the Afghan security forces and an underestimation of the brutal, wily strategy of the Taliban.
The Pentagon had issued dire warnings to President Biden even before he took office about the potential for the Taliban to overrun the Afghan Army. But intelligence estimates indicated that it might happen in 18 months, not within weeks.
Commanders did know that the afflictions of the Afghan forces had never been cured: the deep corruption, the failure by the government to pay many Afghan soldiers and police officers for months, the defections, the soldiers sent to the front without adequate food and water, let alone arms.
Mr. Biden’s aides say that the persistence of those problems reinforced his belief that the United States could not prop up the Afghan government and its military in perpetuity. In Oval Office meetings this spring, he told aides that staying another year, or even five, would not make a substantial difference and was not worth the risks.
In the end, an Afghan force that did not believe in itself and a U.S. effort that Mr. Biden, and most Americans, no longer believed would alter events combined to bring an ignoble close to America’s longest war. The United States kept forces in Afghanistan far longer than the British did in the 19th century, and twice as long as the Soviets — with roughly the same results.
For Mr. Biden, the last of four American presidents to face painful choices in Afghanistan but the first to get out, the debate about a final withdrawal and the miscalculations over how to execute it began the moment he took office.
“Under Trump, we were one tweet away from complete, precipitous withdrawal,” said Douglas E. Lute, a retired general who directed Afghan strategy at the National Security Council for Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama.
“Under Biden, it was clear to everyone who knew him, who saw him pressing for a vastly reduced force more than a decade ago, that he was determined to end U.S. military involvement,” Mr. Lute added, “but the Pentagon believed its own narrative that we would stay forever.”
He continued, “The puzzle for me is the absence of contingency planning: If everyone knew we were headed for the exits, why did we not have a plan over the past two years for making this work?”
— David E. Sanger and Helene Cooper
Plus the fact that the government of Afghanistan was completely incompetent despite billions of dollars and thousands of lives...
Scott let's not make it so political.
Even the soldiers have changed sides by the thousands.
But the worst outcome is what will happen to women by the millions.
We aren't getting enough of our allies out fast enough.
Taliban militants have been released today.
What a fucking mess
From the other thread but definitely worth repeating:
Alex Plitsas
https://twitter.com/alexplitsas/status/1426717025603366912
Casual reminder that the Pentagon presented less risky withdrawal options which were rejected by President Biden followed by numerous fan boy “He Overrode The Generals” news articles
h/t: F'n Daddy
Look for a complete media blackout on the number of US casualties - military and civilian - we suffer from this.
Not a one will be reported.
— David E. Sanger and Helene Cooper
Two completely worthless assclowns reporting for the NYT.
We are all to blame ourselves. We elected our leaders.
FUCK YOU.
No one elected this fucking imbecile.
You installed the piece of shit. Embrace the suck of your own fucking failure. Own it. For once in your pathetic lives don't try to dump the blame on those of us who saw this coming the day the drooling tard "won" the nomination.
Without blaming either side. Basically, we are not an empire state, like The Soviet Union and again Great Britain.
What the US had in common with the Soviet Union and Great Britain was an entrenched foreign policy bureaucracy who was calling the shots no matter who was head of state.
Of th presidents only Trump has question there assumptions.
We are all to blame ourselves. We elected our leaders.
Who's we? I didn't vote for Biden and this is totally his mess. You can blame yourself.
Taliban militants have been released today.
5000 to be exact, alky.
yay.
*Of the presidents only Trump has questioned their assumptions..
I'm not going to argue with rrb etc. But Scott knows that we have a problem here, and because we have been there for 20 years and 4 Presidents.
If we had not withdrawn, and if the Taliban militants had started doing the same thing, the US might have been sending tens of thousands of troops.
I'm not blaming the Orange Monster or Sleepy Joe Biden because it would cost millions more money and hundreds of lives.
We lost 3,800 heros
Scott
We armed the Afghani military. We trained their members. We provided intelligence support, monetary resources and materiel of every sort.
Then, the Taliban resurged and the Afghani military summarily surrendered. As they inevitably would have in ANY circumstance.
I'm not defending the President or blaming Trump. . I'm trying to say Thecoldheartedtruth about this situation...
But we will have to be aware that the terrorists may reemerge in Afghanistan, so we have to attack terrorist organizations and training programs like in 2000.
We have drones and satellite devices.
So we will still be involved but without armed forces.
If we had not withdrawn, and if the Taliban militants had started doing the same thing, the US might have been sending tens of thousands of troops.
No we wouldn’t Alky, you can’t drive an Abrams up the Khyber Pass hence the Horse Soldier. As everyone knows I’ve been to calling to get the fuck out since W, but this horrendous!
Bounce the fucking rubble
This is where the China China China China China came from.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/afghanistan_the_graveyard_of_empires_claims_another.html
What these people don't understand. There is no way will the United States or NATO let China conquer Afghanistan.
A Chinese takeover of the country would give Xi a big lever for increased influence of Southeast Asia, which along with China's relentless efforts to dominate the South China Sea routes would further weaken countries to the east and south of China. Countries such as the Philippines; Indonesia; and even India, Japan, and Australia might be tempted to accede to China's demands and give in to vassalage rather than fight China directly. The complete exit of America and its allies would ensure an increase in China's Southeast Asia power plays.
What about the United States' exit from a twenty-year-long endeavor?
Unfortunately, the current administration seems oblivious to the current scenario in Afghanistan, focusing on getting America out regardless of the carnage bound to follow a disorderly exit.
Nor would India or Australia let it happen.
Then, the Taliban resurged and the Afghani military summarily surrendered. As they inevitably would have in ANY circumstance.
So the fact that the U.S. just happened to be withdrawing had nothing to do with the timing? After spending 20 years "not" attempting to take over the Capital or many other places... your argument (and it would be just yours) is that the Taliban would have done this whether or not the U.S. was still there militarily?
No we wouldn’t Alky, you can’t drive an Abrams up the Khyber Pass hence the Horse Soldier. As everyone knows I’ve been to calling to get the fuck out since W, but this horrendous!
LOL. If I didn't know better I'd swear it's the alky and not Biden overseeing this CF.
Scott says, You can't make this shit up, folks.
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This is not made up, Scott:
Trump calls Afghanistan withdrawal 'a wonderful and positive thing to do' and criticizes Biden's timeline
Devan Cole byline
By Jason Hoffman and Devan Cole, CNN
Updated 1:57 AM ET, Mon April 19, 2021
Washington (CNN)
Former President Donald Trump on Sunday praised withdrawing US troops from Afghanistan, while knocking his successor's timeline for doing so.
Though the former President offered his support of President Joe Biden's plans to bring home American troops, he urged his successor to draw an end to America's longest war well before the September 11 deadline that Biden set last week. Trump said that while leaving Afghanistan is "a wonderful and positive thing to do," he had set a May 1 withdrawal deadline and added that "we should keep as close to that schedule as possible."
"I wish Joe Biden wouldn't use September 11 as the date to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan, for two reasons.
"First, we can and should get out earlier.
Nineteen years is enough, in fact, far too much and way too long," Trump said, adding:
"September 11 represents a very sad event and period for our Country and should remain a day of reflection and remembrance honoring those great souls we lost."
Trump is the latest former commander in chief to weigh in on Biden's plan, with both former Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama having spoken to Biden ahead of his announcement last week.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
What these people don't understand. There is no way will the United States or NATO let China conquer Afghanistan.
And what exactly would we do to stop them alky?
Events take the measure of a man. Biden may not even be, if events so far are a fair test, even the equivalent of Arthur Percival or Lord Elphinstone. Not since the fall of France in May 1940 has so mighty a paper force collapsed so swiftly before a foe. Biden has beaten the record and not in a good way.
That’s the good news. The bad news is that to this considerable tale of woe is likely to be added as much mischief as America’s enemies can contrive. They will pile it on. For no less than the Taliban, America’s near-peer adversaries now have the estimate of the hapless man in the White House. This confirmation of incapacity is possibly a greater loss than the fall of Afghanistan itself.
https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2021/08/15/biden-never-saw-what-hit-him-n1469569
China knows that it is free to do as it pleases with regards to Afghanistan. America is being led by an imbecile.
"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden
Scott says, You can't make this shit up, folks.
James says, This is not made up, Scott:
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Trump calls Afghanistan withdrawal 'a wonderful and positive thing to do' and criticizes Biden's timeline
Devan Cole By Jason Hoffman and Devan Cole, CNN
Updated 1:57 AM ET, Mon April 19, 2021
Washington (CNN)Former President Donald Trump on Sunday praised withdrawing US troops from Afghanistan, while knocking his successor's timeline for doing so.
Though the former President offered his support of President Joe Biden's plans to bring home American troops, he urged his successor to draw an end to America's longest war well before the September 11 deadline that Biden set last week. Trump said that while leaving Afghanistan is "a wonderful and positive thing to do," he had set a May 1 withdrawal deadline and added that "we should keep as close to that schedule as possible."
"I wish Joe Biden wouldn't use September 11 as the date to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan, for two reasons.
?First, we can and should get out earlier. Nineteen years is enough, in fact, far too much and way too long," Trump said, adding:
"September 11 represents a very sad event and period for our Country and should remain a day of reflection and remembrance honoring those great souls we lost."
Trump is the latest former commander in chief to weigh in on Biden's plan, with both former Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama having spoken to Biden ahead of his announcement last week.
"First, we can and should...
This confirmation of incapacity is possibly a greater loss than the fall of Afghanistan itself.
That’s the fucking horror of this
That’s the fucking horror of this
That's the sentence that jumped off the page for me too.
The unspeakable horrors that so many innocent people will be forced to suffer...
...all because the left needed to steal an election and install an imbecile.
I wouldn't care if the only one to suffer was Biden, but we ALL must suffer this fucking idiot, while he emerges humiliated, but even wealthier as a result.
So I see the "pastor" is back to trying to tie Biden's catastrophic exit failure to Trump with the same tripe logic he posted before. Like he tries to do with everything Biden screws up. Leaving sooner with proper execution would have worked. Biden and his generals fucked it up. The ones Trump regularly fought with. In this case Biden over-ruled them with his constant failed logic.
And now I see roger has flipped from saying this is a win for America over China to nobody is going to let China take advantage. He switches sides faster than pages in his 12 volume set of encyclopedias.
Boy is America fucked with Biden
and boy are these weak "supporters" of him
You actually can't make this shit up
Afghanistan was never a country. It was always a collection of tribes who have conservative Islam in common.
Afghanistan as a country was always an artificial construct created by the British.
The Taliban was successful in occupying these tribal lands (with there complacency) and use the heroin to pay for arms. It boggles the mind why US strategist didn't go after their source of income the poppy fields.
And Thar's why the Taliban lasted so long.
The central Afghan Amy solder never considers themselves Afghans. Rather they identify with their own tribe. The only thing that gave the Afghan army cohesiveness and confidence was the US presents.
All in all it was always a receipt for disaster. The US should have negotiated a withdrawal as early as the late Bush administration or the Obama administration.
In fact the Obama administration handling of Afghanistan was almost criminal negligence. Ironic that the same people in charge of that debacle are in charge now overseeing this disaster.
And all they can do is blame Trump.
Trump Flashback Quote of the Day
August 15, 2021 at 1:34 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
“As soon as we leave
it’s all going to blown up anyway…
the minute we leave, everything blows up.
It will go on for many years and the sad part is as soon as it ends, you have those guys sitting back waiting.”
— Donald Trump, on Fox News in 2012, on what would happen when the U.S. leaves Afghanistan.
And then he turns around and criticizes Biden
for not leaving sooner.
Taliban Now Rules Afghanistan
August 15, 2021 at 1:26 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
A Taliban official
told the Associated Press they will soon declare the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan from the presidential palace in Kabul.
That was the name of the Taliban government ousted by U.S.-led forces after Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
U.S. Moves Up Terrorist Threat Level
August 15, 2021 at 1:25 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
“Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley told senators on Sunday that a previous assessment of how soon terrorist groups will likely reconstitute in Afghanistan will speed up because of what’s happening there now,” Axios reports.
“Sources on the call described a surreal experience, listening in on the Biden officials brief them on the situation while checking their cellphones and seeing real-time chaos unfolding in Kabul.”
Quote of the Day
August 15, 2021 at 12:15 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
“One can disagree
with me and think the Biden administration was right to pull out all US troops from Afghanistan… but it is impossible to argue that it has gone about it in the right way. This looks to be both a major intelligence and policy failure with tragic consequences.”
— Council on Foreign Relations President Richard Haas.
‘This Is Not Saigon’
August 15, 2021 at 12:07 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
Playbook:
“That’s something Secretary of State Antony Blinken repeated on multiple TV hits this morning. Even top Democrats aren’t going along with that.
Said Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-MI): “It does feel like the fall of Saigon today, I’m not going to lie.
“If seasoned, mainstream Democrats from the establishment wing of the party aren’t even going along with the White House on this, their message has a real credibility problem.”
Said Reuters foreign correspondent
Idrees Ali:
“Secretary Blinken is correct. The airlift from Saigon did not happen until two years after a peace deal was signed. The evacuation from Kabul is happening with two weeks still left under Biden’s own timeline for an end to the mission.”
Biden’s Stain
August 15, 2021 at 11:31 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 242 Comments
Mike Allen: “Rarely has an American president’s predictions been so wrong, so fast, so convincingly as President Biden on Afghanistan. Usually military operations and diplomacy are long; the outcomes, foggy. Not here.”
“It’s a stunning failure for the West, and embarrassment for Biden. And it’s a traumatic turn for U.S. veterans who sacrificed in Afghanistan over the past 20 years, the 20,000+ wounded in action, and survivors of the more than 2,300 U.S. military personnel who were killed.”
Said Ryan Crocker, a U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan under President Obama: “I think it is already an indelible stain on his presidency.”
Afghanistan President Flees Country
August 15, 2021 at 10:44 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 206 Comments
“Taliban fighters on Sunday took over the Afghan capital as President Ashraf Ghani fled abroad, triggering a massive effort to airlift Western diplomats, civilians and Afghans likely to be targeted by the country’s new rulers,” the Wall Street Journal reports.
Washington Post: “The Islamist group is poised for a full return to power, two decades after the United States invaded Afghanistan.”
...all because the left needed to steal an election and install an imbecile.
I wouldn't care if the only one to suffer was Biden, but we ALL must suffer this fucking idiot, while he emerges humiliated, but even wealthier as a result.
Biden has broken everything
and fixed nothing
and still isn't finished
He should be impeached immediately
except for Kamala and Nancy
America and the world is fucked
U.S. Has One of Highest Rates of New Covid Cases
August 15, 2021 at 1:25 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
CNN:
“The US remains among nations with the highest rate of new Covid-19 cases, driven mostly by a surge in the South, where many states are lagging in getting people vaccinated against the coronavirus.”
Judge Orders Biden to Reinstate Remain In Mexico Policy
August 15, 2021 at 12:25 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
Wall Street Journal:
“The program, which DHS under Trump introduced in 2019 at the height of a surge in Central American families coming to the U.S. border, was wound down by Biden soon after he took office.
“In a ruling late Friday, U.S. Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk of the Northern District of Texas said the elimination of the policy was arbitrary and violated federal law because the administration didn’t properly consider the benefits of the program. He also wrote that ending it has contributed to the current border surge.”
Pelosi May Try to Do Two Votes at Once
August 15, 2021 at 12:21 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
Playbook:
“Which will come first in the House, a vote on the Senate’s bipartisan infrastructure bill or a vote on the budget resolution to open the door for Democrats’ $3.5 trillion spending package? It’s the question confounding both progressives and moderates.”
In a letter to colleagues this morning, Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced that she’d try to do both at once: “I have requested that the Rules Committee explore the possibility of a rule that advances both the budget resolution and the bipartisan infrastructure package.”
Hope Fades for Police Reform Deal
August 15, 2021 at 12:18 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
NBC News:
“Bipartisan negotiators aren’t giving up, but they are increasingly talking about abandoning thornier issues and moving forward with a slimmed-down bill that would accomplish the pieces of police reform that already have consensus.”
More Than 700 Dead In Haiti Earthquake
August 15, 2021 at 12:01 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
“Rescue workers
and volunteers desperately searched collapsed buildings for survivors on Sunday in the aftermath of one of the most powerful earthquakes to hit Haiti. Officials raised the confirmed death toll to more than 700 killed,” the New York Times reports.
“A magnitude 7.2 earthquake shook Haiti on Saturday morning, a devastating blow to a country that is still reeling from a presidential assassination last month and that never recovered from a disastrous quake more than 11 years ago.”
Trump was right again
and boy did Biden fuck it up
Biden owns this
completely
* no matter how much Goddard spam the lying POS "pastor" desperately posts
What a fucking disaster for America
democrats and Biden are
Nick Short
https://twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/1426896604464877570
“The Afghan Security Forces have the capacity to sufficiently fight and defend their country…” - Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, July 21, 2021. Milley had no idea what he was talking about.
Why does this clown still have a job ?
Bruno Maçães
https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1426942403534020612
In a normal state we would now see resignations at the highest level. But in some obvious sense the US no longer a normal state
and in a normal country the president would have taken the short trip back to return from his vacation
Of course he never should have left on it
then again he probably has no idea what is going on
And in a normal country the president would have taken steps to close the border from mass overflow and Covid transmission
not open it up
but we are not a normal country and Biden just sits there with his shocked face
What we need now is leadership
DeSantis should speak up now
He's as close to a leader as we now have
Or Trump
the "elected" one is on vacation
probably playing Mario Kart and eating ice cream
WWeeeeee
while his "advisers" argue what to do next
Sean Parnell
FANTASTIC STATEMENT:
https://twitter.com/SeanParnellUSA/status/1426911083957268490
Statement on Biden's disaster in Afghanistan.
I spent 485 days in combat there & believe that it's time for our troops to come home, but Biden implemented his withdrawal in the worst possible way.
He's Commander in Chief, he should take responsibility, instead of blaming Trump.
read the whole thing
Maybe Biden now can see what a real "insurrection" looks like
If he's gotten up yet
and finished his applesauce
Illicit Deals and Mass Desertions Led to Taliban Victory
August 15, 2021 at 2:02 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
“The spectacular collapse
of Afghanistan’s military that allowed Taliban fighters to reach the gates of Kabul on Sunday despite twenty years of training and billions of dollars in American aid
began with a series of deals brokered in rural villages between the militant group
and some of the Afghan government’s lowest-ranking officials,”
the Washington Post reports.
“The deals, initially offered early last year, were often described by Afghan officials as cease-fires,
but Taliban leaders were in fact offering money in exchange for government forces to hand over their weapons.
“Over the next year and a half, the meetings advanced to the district level and then rapidly on to provincial capitals, culminating in a breathtaking series of negotiated surrenders by government forces.”
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It's the same mistake we made in Vietnam.
We were supporting a corrupt regime that did not have and did not win the support of the Afghani people.
Jack Posobiec
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1426926906767814665
You can criticize the humiliating botched withdrawal while generally supporting ending the war effort in Afghanistan. Only a child could not understand this.
or people tethered to goddard
Jesse Kelly
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1426950289555435529
I don’t care that Afghanistan is falling to the Taliban because anyone who knew anything knew that was gonna happen anyway.
I very much care that they’re doing it with our gear. That is a disgrace.
China and Iran are licking their chops
and Joe his ice cream
a national disgrace
We were supporting a corrupt regime
The Biden regime
Axios
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1426901118479708168
Rarely has an American president's predictions been so wrong, so fast, so convincingly as Biden on Afghanistan. Usually military operations and diplomacy are long; the outcomes, foggy.
Not here.
https://www.axios.com/biden-taliban-kabul-legacy-0980aeba-a748-4ea5-a9b4-24a5ee899e9f.html
Biden's stain: U.S. flees Kabul
Breanna Morello
https://twitter.com/BreannaMorello/status/1426966981895495683
Has the Taliban declared what they want their role to be in the international community yet?
or the role of gays or even women in the military?
or diversity training ?
Longest war: Were America’s decades in Afghanistan worth it?
By ELLEN KNICKMEYERtoday
Here’s what 19-year-old Lance Cpl. William Bee felt flying into southern Afghanistan on Christmas Day 2001: purely lucky. The U.S. was hitting back at the al-Qaida plotters who had brought down the World Trade Center, and Bee found himself among the first Marines on the ground.
“Excitement,” Bee says these days, of the teenage Bee’s thoughts then. “To be the dudes that got to open it up first.”
In the decade that followed, three more deployments in America’s longest war scoured away that lucky feeling.
For Bee, it came down to a night in 2008 in Afghanistan’s Helmand province. By then a sergeant, Bee held the hand of an American sniper who had just been shot in the head, as a medic sliced open the man’s throat for an airway.
“After that it was like, you know what — ‘F—k these people,’” Bee recounted, of what drove him by his fourth and final Afghan deployment. “I just want to bring my guys back. That’s all I care about. I want to bring them home.”
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In the fall of 1996, the Taliban seized Kabul and declared Afghanistan an Islamic emirate. Taliban rule was brutal and repressive. Women had virtually no rights; they were barred from education and forced to wear clothing that completely covered them. Music and other forms of media were banned.
The Taliban’s ideology was similar to that of its counterpart al-Qaeda, though its interests were limited to ruling Afghanistan. In exchange for help fighting groups aligned with the nation’s government, Taliban leaders harbored Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaeda members involved in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. A U.S.-led coalition ousted the regime later that year.
In late July 2015, the Afghan government confirmed that Omar had died in April 2013 in Karachi, Pakistan.
In some ways, the Taliban has evolved, adapting for instance to the Internet and social media era. But Thomas Ruttig, co-director of the Afghanistan Analysts Network, argued earlier this year in a research paper that although the group has “softened their rhetoric on some issues” such as women’s rights, the changes are largely the product of political pressure rather than shifting beliefs.
“Given their continued domineering behavior, intolerance of political dissent and oppression (especially toward girls and women) in the areas they control, there is legitimate concern that if political pressure diminished after an eventual peace agreement and a troop withdrawal, they might revert to pre-fall 2001 practices,” Ruttig wrote.
Suhail Shaheen, a spokesman for the Taliban’s political leadership, told The Post this spring that the group was “committed to women’s rights, whether they are in terms of [access to] education or work.” But in Taliban-controlled areas, women are still often barred from working outside their homes, and girls may not have any school to go to.
[Europe’s contentious deportations of Afghans grind to a halt as Taliban surges]
How did the Taliban regain strength?
After being ousted, the Taliban’s members scattered. Some leaders found sanctuary in Pakistan, where they began to fortify themselves with help from the Pakistani security establishment. In Afghanistan, the presence of U.S. forces helped provide the Taliban with an anti-colonialist rallying cry for recruits. So did corruption in the Afghan government.
“For two decades now, the Taliban movement has been slowly chipping away, village by village,” said Robert Crews, an expert on Afghanistan at Stanford University. “It’s a very sophisticated kind of ground game of grass-roots mobilization.”
Militants also replenished their ranks through a campaign of fear and violence. People who enlisted in police forces or the national army were assassinated. Public intellectuals, journalists, media figures and others who represent the young face of Afghanistan’s civil society also were targeted.
Afghan troops, their ranks dogged by incompetence and corruption, have withered in the face of the Taliban’s advances.
“People are asking, ‘Do I want to die for an administration that has not sent my unit ammunition? We’ve not been paid in months, we’re out of food. Now the Americans are gone,’ ” Crews said. “It seems kind of hopeless.”
By Derek Hawkins
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/14/taliban-afghanistan/
I very much care that they’re doing it with our gear. That is a disgrace.
Let’s be honest they have a lot of firepower now, but this is American equipment and Insha-allah maintenance means it won’t be working in 2 months
This is on Biden
Completely
He doesn't even know how to withdraw the greatest armed forces in the world from a 3rd world shit hole
While he vacations
and it is embarrassing that anyone would even try and defend him
Robby Starbuck
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1426942990703005698
Joe Biden is a national security threat. Weakness is a national security threat. Joe Biden is a national security threat. Weakness is a national security threat. Joe Biden is a national security threat. Weakness is a national security threat.
maybe at some point it will sink in to liberals
I can’t believe how quickly the Afghanistan’s are just giving up! After 20 yrs of training, they can’t hold up for a week?
Didn't take long for Biden to blame Trump. Don't think the news media is buying it however. This is such a disastrous debacle even Biden allies in the media are running for cover.
Afghan president flees the country as Taliban move on Kabul
Associated Press
AHMAD SEIR
August 15, 2021, 11:21 AM
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Afghanistan’s embattled president left the country Sunday, joining his fellow citizens and foreigners in a stampede fleeing the advancing Taliban and signaling the end of a 20-year Western experiment aimed at remaking Afghanistan.
The Taliban, who for hours had been on the outskirts of Kabul, announced soon after they would move further into a city gripped by panic where helicopters raced overhead throughout the day to evacuate personnel from the U.S. Embassy. Smoke rose near the compound as staff destroyed important documents. Several other Western missions also prepared to pull their people out.
Civilians fearing that the Taliban could reimpose the kind of brutal rule that all but eliminated women’s rights rushed to leave the country as well, lining up at cash machines to withdraw their life savings. The desperately poor — who had left homes in the countryside for the presumed safety of the capital — remained in their thousands in parks and open spaces throughout the city.
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken rejected comparisons to the U.S. pullout from Vietnam, as many watched in disbelief at the sight of helicopters landing in the embassy compound.
President Ashraf Ghani flew out of the country, two officials told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to brief journalists. Abdullah Abdullah, the head of the Afghan National Reconciliation Council, later confirmed that Ghani had left.
“The former president of Afghanistan left Afghanistan, leaving the country in this difficult situation," Abdullah said. "God should hold him accountable.”
In a stunning rout, the Taliban seized nearly all of Afghanistan in just over a week, despite the billions of dollars spent by the U.S. and NATO over nearly two decades to build up Afghan security forces. Just days earlier, an American military assessment estimated it would be a month before the capital would come under insurgent pressure.
Instead, the Taliban swiftly defeated, co-opted or sent Afghan security forces fleeing from wide swaths of the country, even though they had some air support from the U.S. military. But a peace deal with the U.S. limited direct military action targeting them, allowing them to prepare and move quickly to seize key areas when President Joe Biden announced his plans to withdraw all American forces by the end of this month.
Many quickly drew comparisons between the fall of Kabul — helicopters rumbling overhead evacuating American diplomats — to the aftermath of the Vietnam War, which saw even more chaotic airborne rescues. Pressed on CNN about it, Blinken said: “This is not Saigon.” However, he acknowledged the “hollowness” of the Afghan security forces.
“From the perspective of our strategic competitors around the world, there’s nothing they would like more than see us in Afghanistan for another five, 10, 20 years,” he said. “It’s simply not in the national interest.”
On Sunday, the insurgents entered the outskirts of Kabul but initially remained outside of the city's downtown. Meanwhile, Taliban negotiators in Kabul discussed the transfer of power, said an Afghan official who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals. It remained unclear when that transfer would take place and who among the Taliban was negotiating.
The negotiators on the government side included former President Hamid Karzai and Abdullah, who has been a vocal critic of Ghani.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss details of the closed-doors negotiations, described them as “tense.” Karzai himself appeared in a video posted online, his three young daughters around him, saying he remained in Kabul.
“We are trying to solve the issue of Afghanistan with the Taliban leadership peacefully,” he said, while the roar of a passing helicopter could be heard overhead.
Afghanistan’s acting defense minister, Bismillah Khan Mohammadi, didn’t hold back his criticism of the fleeing president.
“They tied our hands from behind and sold the country,” he wrote on Twitter. “Curse Ghani and his gang.”
The insurgents tried to calm residents of the capital, insisting their fighters wouldn’t enter people’s homes or interfere with businesses. They also said they’d offer an “amnesty” to those who worked with the Afghan government or foreign forces.
“No one’s life, property and dignity will be harmed and the lives of the citizens of Kabul will not be at risk,” the insurgents said in a statement.
But there have been reports of revenge killings and other brutal tactics in areas of the country the Taliban have seized in recent days.
And on Sunday, panic set in as many rushed to leave the country through the Kabul airport, the last route out of the country as the Taliban now hold every border crossing. NATO said it was “helping to maintain operations at Kabul airport to keep Afghanistan connected with the world.”
One Afghan university student described feeling betrayed as she watched the evacuation of the U.S. Embassy.
“You failed the younger generation of Afghanistan,” said Aisha Khurram, 22, who is now unsure of whether she’ll be able to graduate in two months' time. “A generation ... raised in the modern Afghanistan were hoping to build the country with their own hands. They put blood, efforts and sweat into whatever we had right now."
The U.S. decided a few days ago to send in thousands of troops to help evacuate some personnel, and two officials said Sunday that American diplomats were being moved from the embassy to the airport. Military helicopters shuttled between the embassy compound and the airport, where a core presence will remain for as long as possible given security conditions.
The officials were not authorized to discuss diplomatic movements and spoke on condition of anonymity.
The flights began a few hours after the Taliban seized the nearby city of Jalalabad — which had been the last major city besides the capital not in their hands.
Meanwhile, wisps of smoke could be seen near the embassy's roof as diplomats urgently destroyed sensitive documents, according to two American military officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the situation. The smoke grew heavier over time in the area, home to other nation's embassies as well.
Afghan officials said the militants also took the capitals of Maidan Wardak, Khost, Kapisa and Parwan provinces on Sunday.
The insurgents also seized the land border at Torkham, the last not in their control, on Sunday. Pakistan’s Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed told local broadcaster Geo TV that Pakistan halted cross-border traffic there after the militants seized it.
Later, Afghan forces at Bagram air base, home to a prison housing 5,000 inmates, surrendered to the Taliban, according to Bagram district chief Darwaish Raufi. The prison at the former U.S. base held both Taliban and Islamic State group fighters.
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Akhgar and Faiez reported from Istanbul and Gambrell from Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Associated Press writers Kathy Gannon in Guelph, Canada, Joseph Krauss in Jerusalem, James LaPorta and Matthew Lee in Washington, Aya Batrawy in Dubai, and Frank Jordans in Berlin contributed to this report.
The Atlantic Magazine reported.
About the author: George Packer is a staff writer at The Atlantic. He is the author of Last Best Hope: America in Crisis and Renewal, Our Man: Richard Holbrooke and the End of the American Century, The Unwinding: An Inner History of the New America, and The Assassins’ Gate: America in Iraq.
There’s plenty of blame to go around for the 20-year debacle in Afghanistan—enough to fill a library of books. Perhaps the effort to rebuild the country was doomed from the start. But our abandonment of the Afghans who helped us, counted on us, staked their lives on us, is a final, gratuitous shame that we could have avoided. The Biden administration failed to heed the warnings on Afghanistan, failed to act with urgency—and its failure has left tens of thousands of Afghans to a terrible fate. This betrayal will live in infamy. The burden of shame falls on President Joe Biden.
Khan, an Afghan interpreter I first wrote about in March, is on the verge of escaping from Afghanistan with his wife and small son. Three clocks are ticking. The first is his wife’s pregnancy. She’s at 34 weeks—two more weeks and she’ll no longer be allowed to board a flight out of Afghanistan. The second clock is the availability of a visa to the United States and an air ticket. After years of waiting, yesterday Khan finally received his Special Immigrant Visa as one among thousands of Afghans who worked for the U.S. military. By then, amid the general panic of Afghans trying to get out of the country, ticket prices to Europe and the U.S. had doubled, from $800 to $1,600, and seats were going fast. A travel agent told Khan that none were available until the end of August, but yesterday morning, Khan’s pro bono lawyer, Julie Kornfeld of the International Refugee Assistance Project, managed to book him seats on a Turkish Airlines flight on Tuesday.
The third clock is the Taliban. In the past week, every city except Kabul fell to the insurgents. A few days ago, U.S. intelligence sources predicted that Kabul could go as soon as next month. This morning, the Taliban are at the city gates, preparing to enter the capital and seize total power. “I think when they enter Kabul, first they will block the airport, because they do not want us to escape,” Khan told me by phone from Kabul. Just as he seems to have obtained everything he needs to save himself and his family, it might be too late.
In recent days Kabul became the last point of escape for Afghans who fear for their lives under the return of the Taliban. Every provincial capital has fallen to the insurgent offensive; regional airports have closed; roads to Kabul and the borders are being controlled by Taliban checkpoints; government-security forces are in a state of collapse across the country. The U.S. has sent several thousand Marines to assist with the evacuation of embassy personnel, even as those officials deal with the flood of visa applications and entreaties from interpreters and others with American connections. Today, the U.S. government is more focused on saving our own than on saving the Afghans who counted on us. For many of them, time is running out. For some, it already has.
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The rest of it bugs me to think independently.. h might be right..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/bidens-betrayal-of-afghans-will-live-in-infamy/619764/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
JAMES:
We were supporting a corrupt regime.
F'N:
The Biden regime.
JAMES:
The Biden administration has had six months,
not twenty years.
The three regular people ignore
JamesNewLeaf's Fucking Daddy
Because he's the worst trolling assholes I've ever seen before here for over 15 years
I can’t believe how quickly the Afghanistan’s are just giving up! After 20 yrs of training, they can’t hold up for a week?
Do you think the soldiers who signed up 20 years ago are still there?
As I said before there is no such thing as an Afghan. There is no such country as Afghanistan. What you have is a mercenary army protecting an artificially installed central government.
When they lost American Air power and intelligence they folded like a cheap suit.
Commonsense said...
Didn't take long for Biden to blame Trump. Don't think the news media is buying it however. This is such a disastrous debacle even Biden allies in the media are running for cover.
except for goddard and his disciple the POS lying "pastor"
devil worshipers
Staying there for more years is not a good idea either way
JAMES:
The Biden administration has had six months
and completely fucked it up
just like the border
and they're working on the national debt
printing presses are going on turbo
Devil worshippers?
No, we DON'T worship Trump.
Actually, I am admitting huge mistakes were made.
But not just by Democrats.
Roger Amick said...
The three regular people ignore
JamesNewLeaf's Fucking Daddy
Because he's the worst trolling assholes I've ever seen before here for over 15 years
Hey asshole have you figured out if the Taliban taking over is "brilliant" strategy by Biden as you posted earlier today.
Or not as you later posted.
even for a mental patient you are in bad mental shape
maybe you can explain, well you never do
we understand
Roger Amick said...
As we have seen in so many situations during the past two decades in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and Libya, regime change is a terribly messy process. Weak regimes can be toppled; replacing them is the hard part. It is only a matter of time before the Afghan state collapses, unleashing chaos that will spill beyond its borders. All of Afghanistan’s neighbors will be affected to varying degrees, but Pakistan and China have the most to lose.
Neither one is our allies!
Looking at it from that perspective, since China is far more dangerous to the U.S. than any other country, the underlying decision seems rather brilliant.
brilliant
photographic memory
right
the blogs biggest loser
from way before I even came here
thanks for the memories
ROFLMFAO !!!
The intelligence agencies thought the Taliban militants were going to attack on September 2nd
Well I guess when they realized we have a drooling dementia patient in charge they stepped up the timeline
And who listen e to our “intelligence agencies” anymore?
Steve Guest
https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1426915098355019776
Politico in April: Harris says she had key role in Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal decision
“The vice president confirmed she was the last person in the room before Biden made the decision to move forward with withdrawing U.S. troops.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/25/harris-afghanistan-biden-withdrawal-decision-484581
Well Biden was against taking out Osama bin Laden
so he chose his VP wisely
what a joke
Haley Byrd Wilt
https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/1426922426131230721
The failure to protect Afghan allies & their families isn’t a last-minute tragedy that couldn’t have been avoided. It’s the culmination of months of apathy from the Biden administration, which did astoundingly little to address the problem even as others raised the alarm.
The failure to protect Afghan allies & their families !!!
How about US interests themselves
What a fucked up president
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Actually 9/11
Wow I originally gave more credit than deserve. Please link a source where Taliban militants were plotting anything on the US homeland.
The Talibunnies aren’t Al Qaeda you moron
Now US citizens are going to abandon to the Taliban.
Great job Joe."
And will we be seeing wall to wall coverage of the Biden Beheadings?
Biden Body Bags?
9/11 hijackers nationality
15 Saudis
2 UAE
1 Jordanian
1 Egyptian
Not a single Afghani yet
That photographic memory let you down again
*Not a single Afghani yet you believe our intelligence agencies warned of an imminent attack from the Taliban
WASHINGTON — Republican lawmakers are denouncing President Joe Biden's administration for the Taliban's aggressive takeover of Afghanistan over the weekend.
"What we're watching right now in Afghanistan is what happens when America withdraws from the world," Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., said on ABC "This Week."
Biden announced the full withdrawal of U.S. forces in April. The militant group's rapid advance across the country had left the Afghan government on the brink of collapse, blindsiding U.S. officials who had not anticipated that the capital city would fall so quickly. U.S. officials last week had been scrambling to evacuate the remaining staff of the U.S. Embassy in Kabul.
Cheney added, Biden "absolutely" bears responsibility for the decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan as does former President Donald Trump and his administration.
“It’s not just that people predicted that this would happen, everyone was warned that this would happen," she said.
People like you caused this
An anti-vaccine rally at Los Angeles City Hall turned violent Saturday, with one person stabbed and a reporter saying he was assaulted, according to police and protesters on the scene.
A crowd of several hundred people, many holding American flags and signs calling for “medical freedom,” had descended on City Hall around 2 p.m. for the planned rally. A few dozen counterprotesters had amassed on 1st Street near the former offices of the L.A. Times before the clash.
A fight erupted on the corner of 1st and Spring streets shortly after 2:30 p.m., as counterprotesters in all black and anti-vaccine demonstrators draped in American flag garb and Trump memorabilia traded punches and threw things at one another. It was not immediately clear how the fight started, though each side quickly blamed the other.
He was released from the hospital today.
The Taliban allowed al Qaeda to plan the attack on 9/11...
That's the reason Bush intervened in the civil war that started in 1996.
JAMES:
The Biden administration has had six months,
not twenty years.
Biden was a senator when he voted for the AUMF in 2001. He was vice-president under Barack Obama for eight years.
To says he only had six months to get up to speed on Afghanistan is disingenuous to say the least. (The most is out and out hackery)
Trump on the other hand came in cold but he asked the right questions and ultimately question their assumptions.
If Trump was allowed to push his Abraham accords initiative to their logical conclusion he would have isolated Iran and ultimately the Taliban.
A fight erupted on the corner of 1st and Spring streets shortly after 2:30 p.m., as counterprotesters in all black
In other words, fascist ANTIFA instigating violence.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
The Taliban allowed al Qaeda to plan the attack on 9/11...
Yes we all know Alky but that’s a far cry from your previous claim of
The intelligence agencies thought the Taliban militants were going to attack on September 2nd
Trump had four years to improve on our policy in Afghanistan. He was for withdrwal of our troops.
What did he do in those four years to make withdrawal feasible?
I repeat: What?
Cheney added, Biden "absolutely" bears responsibility for the decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan as does former President Donald Trump and his administration.
The Taliban didn't take one acre of ground while Trump was president. Cheney's remarks were ignorant.
Trump had four years to improve on our policy in Afghanistan. He was for withdrwal of our troops.
What did he do in those four years to make withdrawal feasible?
I repeat: What?
The negotiated phase withdrawal that was based on the Taliban behavior. If the Taliban made moves toward peace and power sharing more US troops would withdraw.
It's the deal Biden threw in the trash.
Blogger JamesNewLeaf said...
Trump had four years to improve on our policy in Afghanistan. He was for withdrwal of our troops.
What did he do in those four years to make withdrawal feasible?
I repeat: What?
Here ya go stupid
U.S.-Taliban sign landmark agreement in bid to end America's longest war
The U.S. has agreed to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan within 14 months and pull out of five bases in 135 days.
DOHA, Qatar — The U.S. invasion of Afghanistan started nearly 7,000 miles away on a sunny September morning when hijacked planes slammed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, as well as the Pentagon and a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
On Saturday, more than 18 years after the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the U.S. made a bid to end America's longest war.
Hundreds of miles from the battlefields of Afghanistan in a glitzy banquet hall in a five-star hotel in Qatar, the United States and the Taliban signed a landmark agreement that paves the way for U.S. troops to begin withdrawing from the poor and war-torn central Asian country.
"The Taliban will not allow any of its members, other individuals or groups, including Al Qaeda, to use the soil of Afghanistan to threaten the security of the United States and its allies,” the agreement states.
Under the pact, the U.S. would reduce its forces to 8,600 from 13,000 in the next three to four months. Remaining U.S. forces would withdraw in 14 months, although a complete pullout would depend on the Taliban meeting commitments to prevent terrorism.
U.S. special envoy Zalmay Khalilzad and the Taliban’s chief negotiator and one of its founders, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, signed the agreement in Doha after more than a year of on-off formal talks.
Some in the room broke out in whoops, cheers and shouts of "God is Great" at the signing. The several dozen members of the Taliban exited the room after the ceremony beaming.
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also attended the ceremony, but did not sign the "Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan," under which the Taliban pledged to enter into peace talks with Afghan government officials, representatives of the opposition, and members of civil society on March 10.
The U.S. committed to work with both sides in upcoming talks to secure the release of up to 5,000 prisoners held by the Afghan government and 1,000 prisoners held by the Taliban by the start of intra-Afghan peace talks.
Washington also agreed to lift U.S. sanctions on the Taliban later this year and to work with other members of the U.N. Security Council to remove sanctions against members of the Taliban within three months.
Speaking to reporters, Pompeo said the United States was "realistic" about the deal it signed, but was "seizing the best opportunity for peace in a generation."
He said that while he was still angry about the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, the U.S. will not "squander" what its soldiers "have won through blood, sweat and tears.
The negotiated phase withdrawal that was based on the Taliban behavior. If the Taliban made moves toward peace and power sharing more US troops would withdraw.
It's the deal Biden threw in the trash.
GODdard didn’t tell him this, so the pedo had no knowledge of it
Roger and James.
Stop making Excusses, Biden Body Bags belong to your team..
Biden is my President and he failed the US Civilians and US Military.
Woke Dumbass.
"Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley told reporters less than four weeks before the Taliban entered Kabul that the local military was fully capable of defending Afghanistan from the insurgent Islamic terrorist militia."
I'm not blaming anyone. But you will probably be surprised. I have been reading about this for a couple days.
I agree that he should change his course.
The situation in Afghanistan is dire. But it is not too late to deploy forces to stabilize it, and ultimately turn it around. We can at least avoid the worst outcome, a collapse and slaughter that would be a catastrophe for the people of Afghanistan and a strategic and moral disaster for the United States.
We know this is doable: General John Allen, who served as commander of the International Security Assistance Force from 2011 to 2013, laid out a realistic plan for salvaging the situation and avoiding the complete collapse of Kabul. Would a bold intervention now commit us to sustain a military presence in Afghanistan indefinitely? Not necessarily, but there is a strong case for an enduring military presence there, in order to combat terrorists and help defend our nation, as well as to honor our alliance with the people of Afghanistan.
It may be tempting to believe that jihadist terrorism is no longer a serious threat because there have been no successful, large-scale terrorist attacks inside the United States originating from Afghanistan since 2001.
But that success must be credited, in part, to our ongoing military operations in Afghanistan and the region, which kept Al Qaeda and its allies on the run, in hiding, and focused on their own survival rather than on planning operations against us. Al Qaeda, the Islamic State, the Taliban—and other groups—are active and even thriving as we withdraw, and they have not fulfilled their obligations under the 2020 peace agreement. Without our help, our enemies are almost certain to regain a safe haven from which to organize and plot.
We also have a duty to stand by our Afghan allies who continue to fight our common enemies. We promised as much when we signed strategic partnership agreements with them in 2005 and 2012 and a bilateral security agreement in 2013, and when we designated them a major non-NATO ally. Withdrawal from Afghanistan is abandoning our allies in the middle of the fight. What would such abandonment tell the world about American character and reliability in future moments when we look to make alliances in our strategic interests?
The United States has made mistakes in Afghanistan during the past 20 years. But we should not let errors from the past lead to even worse mistakes today. If we lose Afghanistan, we will lose our ability to combat terrorists in the region. Our nation will be less safe. And we will have failed our allies who need our support.
It is not too late for the Biden administration to reconsider—and to act.
Paul D. Miller and William Kristol
Paul D. Miller is a professor of the practice of international affairs at Georgetown University, former director for Afghanistan on the national security council staff, and a veteran of the war in Afghanistan. William Kristol is editor-at-large of The Bulwark.
We can't afford to let terrorists organize another 9/11.
Or worse than before.
Forget it Common.
Doesn't matter how much the Biden administration screws up. Did you see that to show that the Biden team was on top of things, they sent out a tweet with a picture of him meeting remotely with security people. Only problem is that they didn't bother to block out some of the people he was meeting with (effectively outing people who are not otherwise known).
To the Reverend, Rog, and Denny...
All problems are still Trump's fault.
This is exactly as Reverend described it. The fact that anything bad ever happens will always be seen (in his mind) as Trump failure.
The situation in Afghanistan is dire. But it is not too late to deploy forces to stabilize it, and ultimately turn it around.
We’ve spent 20 fucking years there, for what? Fuck these ungrateful 7th century rapers, we tried, bounce the rubble
$2 Trillion dollars, 2400 service men
Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up
-Barack Hussein
San Francisco — Speaker Nancy Pelosi issued this statement on the situation in Afghanistan:
“The President is to be commended for the clarity of purpose of his statement on Afghanistan and the actions he has taken.
“The Taliban must know that the world is watching its actions. We are deeply concerned about reports regarding the Taliban’s brutal treatment of all Afghans, especially women and girls. The U.S., the international community and the Afghan government must do everything we can to protect women and girls from inhumane treatment by the Taliban.
“Any political settlement that the Afghans pursue to avert bloodshed must include having women at the table. The fate of women and girls in Afghanistan is critical to the future of Afghanistan. As we strive to assist women, we must recognize that their voices are important, and all must listen to them for solutions, respectful of their culture. There is bipartisan support to assist the women and girls of Afghanistan. One of the successes of U.S.- NATO cooperation in Afghanistan was the progress made by women and girls. We must all continue to work together to ensure that is not eroded.
“Once again, I want to acknowledge the clarity of purpose of President Biden’s statement and the wisdom of his actions. Congress shares the President's concern for Afghans who have assisted U.S. efforts in country, and we passed Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) legislation to provide for their relocation on a strong, bipartisan basis.
“Most of all, we join the President in acknowledging the sacrifices of our men and women in uniform and their families.”
I never blamed Trump for this
William Kristol is editor-at-large of The Bulwark.
and a neocon. Big supporter of every war we have gotten into. Big friend of Cheney.
and roger thinks that his opinion is so valuable now he posts it on multiple threads
Who knew roger would be proudly supporting neocons
does he even have any idea of who he is posting from anymore ?
and then he tops it off
“The President is to be commended for the clarity of purpose of his statement on Afghanistan and the actions he has taken. " (Pelosi)
as roger has said
"brilliant"
simply brilliant
can't make this shit up
*NURSE !!!*
Scott, I have been reading all day long about this situation from both sides Scott..
I sincerely hope they are wrong but since I have been reading about political issues and history, especially the 20th century from TDR to today 21st century
The humiliating U.S. retreat from Afghanistan is now part of an unnerving American pattern.Photograph from EPA-EFE / Shutterstock. The photos are disturbing.
History will surely note this absurdly ill-timed tweet. On Monday, August 9th, the U.S. Embassy in Kabul posed a question to its four hundred thousand followers: “This #PeaceMonday, we want to hear from you. What do you wish to tell the negotiating parties in Doha about your hopes for a political settlement? #PeaceForAfghanistan.” The message reflected the delusion of American policy. With the Taliban sweeping across the country, storming one provincial capital after another, the prospect that diplomacy would work a year after U.S.-backed talks in Qatar began—and quickly stalled—was illusory. By Thursday, the Afghan government controlled only three major cities. President Joe Biden, the leader of the world’s most powerful nation, announced that he was dispatching three thousand U.S. troops to Afghanistan to pull hundreds of its diplomats and staff out of that Embassy. And, by Sunday, it was all over—before dusk. President Ashraf Ghani fled the country, his government collapsed, and the U.S.-trained Afghan security forces simply melted away as the Taliban moved into the capital. American diplomats—having evacuated the fortress-like U.S. Embassy—were forced to shelter in place at the airport as they waited to be evacuated. America’s two-decade-long misadventure in Afghanistan has ended. For Americans, Afghanistan looks a little, maybe a lot, like a trillion-dollar throwaway. Meanwhile, Afghans are left in free fall.
It’s not just an epic defeat for the United States. The fall of Kabul may serve as a bookend for the era of U.S. global power. In the nineteen-forties, the United States launched the Great Rescue to help liberate Western Europe from the powerful Nazi war machine. It then used its vast land, sea, and air power to defeat the formidable Japanese empire in East Asia. Eighty years later, the U.S. is engaged in what historians may someday call a Great Retreat from a ragtag militia that has no air power or significant armor and artillery, in one of the poorest countries in the world.
It’s now part of an unnerving American pattern, dating back to the nineteen-seventies. On Sunday, social-media posts of side-by-side photos evoked painful memories. One captured a desperate crowd climbing up a ladder to the rooftop of a building near the U.S. Embassy in Saigon to get on one of the last helicopters out in 1975, during the Ford Administration. The other showed a Chinook helicopter hovering over the U.S. Embassy in Kabul on Sunday. “This is manifestly not Saigon,” the Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, tried to argue on Sunday, on ABC’s “This Week.” It didn’t wash. And there are other episodes. In 1984, the Reagan Administration withdrew the U.S. Marine peacekeepers from Beirut after a suicide bomber from a nascent cell of what became Hezbollah killed more than two hundred and forty military personnel—the largest loss for the Marines in a single incident since the Second World War. In 2011, the United States pulled out of Iraq, opening the way for the emergence of isis. The repeated miscalculations challenge basic Washington policy-making as well as U.S. military strategy and intelligence capabilities. Why wasn’t this looming calamity—or any of the earlier ones—anticipated? Or the exits better planned? Or the country not left in the hands of a former enemy? It is a dishonorable end.
Whatever the historic truth decades from now, the U.S. will be widely perceived by the world today as having lost what George W. Bush dubbed the “war on terror”—despite having mobilized nato for its first deployment outside Europe or North America, a hundred and thirty-six countries to provide various types of military assistance, and twenty-three countries to host U.S. forces deployed in offensive operations. America’s vast tools and tactics proved ill-equipped to counter the will and endurance of the Taliban and their Pakistani backers. In the long term, its missiles and warplanes were unable to vanquish a movement of sixty thousand core fighters in a country about as big as Texas.
I will link it because it's important
I actually don't agree with Pelosi on this case
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/does-the-great-retreat-from-afghanistan-mark-the-end-of-the-american-era
It might be the end of an era.
I knew people who served in World War two through this horrific situation.
I'm not blaming anyone because we elect our leaders...
And the Afghanistan army is a disaster
This president is a disaster
RJC
https://twitter.com/RJC/status/1426999774729932800
Obama's former ambassador to Afghanistan is straight up questioning @JoeBiden's ability to lead.
Jason Brodsky
Quite the comment from former U.S. Ambassador to #Afghanistan and #Iraq Ryan Crocker today in The Spokesman-Review about POTUS:
“I’m left with some grave questions in my mind about his ability to lead our nation as commander-in-chief,” Crocker said. “To have read this so wrong – or, even worse, to have understood what was likely to happen and not care.”
While I don't agree with what roger posted about Pelosi (and he apparently doesn't either) I do agree with this
Where’d pedo go?
LOL
Dementia Joe’s statement on the collapse of the ‘Stan
The Taliban seized power in Afghanistan on Sunday, capturing control of the capital city of Kabul and leaving Washington debating two key questions: what exactly went wrong with the U.S.’s withdrawal mission, and who is to blame.
Here is a final reminder of why the revolution has already turned society upside down. The canniest elements of the aristocracy always cut deals with the revolution and indeed often remain the nomenklatura. What unites Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, and the Silicon Valley billionaire crowd are the exemptions they purchased from revolutionary justice.
In the old days they would have gotten dachas on the Black Sea coast and three dial phones on their desks. These days they keep their billions if they give a hundred million dollars in “civility” bounties here to Van Jones (ex-truther and expert on why white people are supposedly responsible for mass shootings) or there seed $500 million to key voting precincts to help ensure the good people defeat the bad.
In 1961, Cubans were not quite aware that they were experiencing a Marxist takeover. Nor were Russians fully cognizant in 1917 of the plans that the Bolsheviks had for them over the next few decades. It is hard to see during anarchy, chaos, and collapsing institutions that leftists still have an agenda for what will emerge on the other side.
In other words, we are in the midst of a revolutionary epoch and probably most don’t even know it.
Jack Dorsey bans Trump but let's the Taliban tweet away. And democrats are fine with this.
Heck of a job, White House communications shop. I figure you would want to crop out the teleconference screens labeled "CIA" and "Doha Station." You panicking amateur idiots.
https://twitter.com/jimgeraghty/status/1426989459158061061
The Taliban is the community standard for Jack Dorsey.
‘Saigon on Steroids’:
The Desperate Rush to Flee AfghanistanKabul airport descends into chaos as Afghan civilians besiege the terminal and Western countries scramble to evacuate personnel, in a dizzying coda to America’s longest war
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KABUL—The lucky few were already inside, crowded onto the last patch of government territory that hadn’t fallen to the Taliban. Outside, as thousands of civilians surged to break through the perimeter of Hamid Karzai International Airport, security forces fired gunshots into the air to force them back.
Afghanistan was falling and hundreds of civilians struggled to get on board the few remaining planes waiting to carry people to safety. Afghan security forces and several dozen U.S. Marines rushed through the military terminal to secure the tarmac. A warning boomed in Pashto: “Please go back, please go back.”
“It’s crazy. It is out of control now,” said Shoaib, an Afghan interpreter who had talked his way through several checkpoints.
Inside the terminal, Afghans with small children sat dazed next to European special-forces operators with their sniper rifles and high-tech helmets equipped with night vision and infrared tags. Outside, the engines of helicopters and transport planes provided a steady, almost lulling, hum. Once in awhile, groups of evacuees—the staff of the Indian embassy, or Bulgarian security contractors—donned helmets and body armor and set off toward their plane.
Latif, who worked for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s mission, arrived with his wife and six children late Sunday afternoon. Initially, he was told he would be going to Finland, but then the chartered flight was canceled, he said. “They are telling us we will go somewhere, but where and when, nobody knows,” he sighed as his children huddled together on a hard bench.
The chaos at Kabul airport was the dizzying final act of a lightning Taliban offensive that saw the militants seize the last of the remaining cities under government control, culminating with the country’s capital.
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It's a failure of epic proportions by our President Biden.
‘Saigon on Steroids’: The Desperate Rush to Flee Afghanistan https://www.wsj.com/articles/saigon-on-steroids-the-desperate-rush-to-flee-afghanistan-11629071999
The US Embassy in Afghanistan spent more time planning for Pride Month than it did for the withdrawal. One unforced error after another.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1427022950150991874
The videos are hard to watch.
Blogger Commonsense said...
The Taliban is the community standard for Jack Dorsey.
Yep.
Just in case anyone needs evidence of just how fucked we are right now...
Twitter bans Trump but gives the Taliban a blue check mark.
So now we celebrate the traitors in our midst.
Yay.
This will not end well.
Bill Kristol, et. al. must be SO proud that they voted for this shit. Here's to hoping that Bill and the rest of his Bulwark traitorous pals are among the first to be lined up against the wall...
Blogger Roger Amick said...
The videos are hard to watch.
What's harder to watch is the outing of our Intel assets (CIA & Doha Station) so Slow Joe an da Ho can have their little photo op.
VP harris is missing a huge opportunity to look presidential. Instead she's on a hole deeper than Biden's.
It's a failure of epic proportions by our President Biden.
Just add it to the list.
"There is going to be so much losing you're going to get tired of all the losing."
Punchbowl Morning Briefing.
Good morning. The United States lost more than 2,400 troops in Afghanistan, with another 3,400-plus contractors killed as well. More than 20,000 Americans were injured. Tens of thousands of Afghans were killed and wounded. The U.S. government spent more than $1 trillion during nearly two decades of conflict. And what do we have to show for it?
The Taliban controls Afghanistan once again, just as if Operation Enduring Freedom had never occurred. The Afghan military, recipients of more than $80 billion in U.S. equipment and training, melted away in just days. Afghan President Ashraf Ghani -- who sat in the Oval Office with President Joe Biden in late June to discuss the fate of his nation once U.S. and coalition forces departed -- has fled. With a growing diplomatic, military and political disaster on his hands, Biden has ordered six thousand U.S. troops back to Kabul to help evacuate American personnel and the thousands of Afghan allies who fear reprisal at the hands of the Taliban. The Kabul airport has been overrun with civilians desperately trying to flee, while U.S. diplomats have pulled down the flag from the $700 million American embassy and are headed home.
And now it’s up to a stunned White House and bitterly divided Congress to sift through a debacle that each of the last four presidents and hundreds of lawmakers co-own.
The Biden administration spent the last few days trying to tell us that, in fact, most Americans don't care about what’s going on in Afghanistan. Several figures in Biden’s universe said privately they have the polling to prove it. But it wouldn’t be a stretch to say that leaving a country in the hands of the Taliban -- which has one of the worst human rights records in the world and a history of harboring terror groups -- is bad no matter what public polling says.
Like the three presidents before him, the Southwest Asian nation will dominate at least a chunk of his time in office. And it will also dominate the foreign policy conversation on Capitol Hill for the foreseeable future.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Joint Chief Chair Mark Milley briefed House members on Sunday. Democrats and Republicans were critical. Just two GOP lawmakers were permitted to question the administration, and several complained to us after that they were waiting in the cue but not permitted to talk. Another briefing will be held next week when the House returns to consider a budget resolution and voting rights legislation.
Republicans, of course, blame Biden for the Afghanistan debacle, with some calling for his resignation. They also accused the president of “hiding” out at Camp David and refusing to go on camera to discuss the situation. While those kinds of histrionics are easily ignored, Biden’s recent series of comments on Afghanistan will be replayed endlessly, part of an effort to portray him as an overwhelmed president incapable of doing the job.
Most damaging is a July 8 press conference where Biden dismissed the possibility of a Taliban takeover. Biden also downplayed the comparison to South Vietnam, saying Americans would never see an image of U.S. helicopters plucking people off rooftops in Afghanistan, similar to what happened in Saigon in 1975. Which is what happened on Sunday, just five weeks later, when American forces took embassy staff out of the U.S. compound. This video was played on repeat Sunday.
“There’s going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of [an] embassy… of the United States from Afghanistan,” Biden said then.
There were only a couple of statements from Democrats on Sunday that directly defended Biden or the administration’s handling of the situation. House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.) called the Taliban victory “inevitable,” which clearly doesn’t fit in with the White House messaging.
“It is abundantly clear that the Taliban’s advance was ultimately inevitable, at least without a commitment to surge tens of thousands of U.S. troops for an unknown span of time. That is a commitment the American public has made clear it does not support,” Meeks said in a statement.
One Democrat who did defend Biden was Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), although it was more in the vein of “Biden was right to follow Trump’s decision to end the war.”
I am very disappointed with our President.
And brainless democrat faithful are now all blaming this shit storm on Trump. Unbelievable that they just refuse to try to be objective and open minded.
Anonymous Myballs said...
And brainless democrat faithful are now all blaming this shit storm on Trump. Unbelievable that they just refuse to try to be objective and open minded.
It is hard to see during anarchy, chaos, and collapsing institutions that leftists still have an agenda for what will emerge on the other side.
- VDH
https://amgreatness.com/2021/08/15/are-we-in-a-revolution-and-dont-even-know-it/
What the alky stole earlier from American Greatness, happens to be spot on as is usual for Hanson.
The reality is that traitorous democrats are loving this shit - all the failure - because it still works in their favor as they desire total collapse of the systems in place today. Think Cloward-Piven. This is a means to an end for these shitstains.
The humiliation will be brief as the MSM gets to decide just how much it will be covered outside of the unavoidable. Then it gets spun favorably with sleight of hand parlor tricks, as the democrat faithful inject it straight into their veins.
We are about to be gaslit on a scale never seen before.
Fulton County Registration Chief Ralph Jones resigns
Ralph Jones was one of the county officials onsite at State Farm Arena on Election Night
Author: 11Alive Staff
Published: 11:36 AM EDT August 13, 2021
Updated: 11:36 AM EDT August 13, 2021
FULTON COUNTY, Ga. — Fulton County's registration chief, Ralph Jones, has resigned after more than 12 years of service, a county spokesperson confirmed.
Jones was one of the county officials onsite at State Farm Arena on Election Night, as the counting of ballots continued past midnight.
Those hours became a fixation of the Trump campaign's efforts to discredit Fulton County's handling of the election. In his position, Jones became a target of the former president's supporters who sought to prove an Election Night conspiracy at the arena.
The roughly 12,000 to 15,000 afgans that helped the US did not get out the collapes happened to quickly.
Many fleeing are being killed and Afghans are being hunted down in thier homes and slaughtered.
MSNBC’s Mika blames Trump’s ‘treasonous’ Taliban dealings for Afghan chaos — but finds a way to let him off the hook
Travis Gettys
August 16, 2021
MSNBC
MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski trashed Donald Trump's dealings with the Taliban as "treasonous" -- but still laid blame for Afghanistan's collapse on President Joe Biden.
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The Biden administration was surprised how swiftly the nation fell to Taliban forces, which officials see as confirmation of their decision to leave after 20 years, but the "Morning Joe" host said the current president owns the disaster even if it was set in motion by his predecessor's failures.
"I don't disagree about Trump's involvement with this, and that his dealings with the Taliban being downright disgusting and treasonous whatever word you want to use, anti-democratic, not conducive to a good outcome -- however you want to describe it," Brzezinski said. "But this is Joe Biden's. He made this decision. I worry a little bit about the what-aboutism, putting it back on Trump. You can do it, he owns a lot of it, but Joe Biden made this decision."
Biden has reversed every Trump policy he sees. He cannot pretend he was somehow locked into this piss poor execution.
One thing we can all agree on. Afghanistan is arguably the armpit of the world and not worth all the deaths and effort.
Roger said
"I'm not blaming the Orange Monster"
"Without blaming either side"
Of course the two faced hack then he post stories that Blame Trump.
NOTICE THAT TAEGGAN GODDARD CITES SOURCES THAT DO NOT JUST SPOUT PRO BIDEN PROPAGANDA THE WAY YOUR SOURCES SPOUT PRO TRUMP PROPAGANDA
Bungled Afghanistan Exit Was Preventable
August 16, 2021 at 7:49 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
Max Boot:
“The Taliban will now be more dangerous than ever. This is on Biden, and it will leave an indelible stain on his presidency.
“The words that Biden uses to describe the delta variant — a ‘largely preventable tragedy that will get worse before it gets better’ — apply to his handling of Afghanistan. Former defense secretary Robert Gates once said that Biden ‘has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.’ He has certainly been calamitously, tragically, wrong about Afghanistan.
“Biden will spend the rest of his presidency grappling with the tragic consequences of this preventable disaster.”
Bret Stephens:
“This is happening on Biden’s watch, at Biden’s insistence, against the advice of his senior military advisers and with Biden’s firm assurance to the American people that what has just come to pass wouldn’t come to pass.
“Biden owns the moment. He also owns the consequences.”
Biden Still at Camp David
August 16, 2021 at 7:46 am EDT By Taegan Goddards
Associated Press:
“Discussions were underway for Biden to speak publicly, according to two senior administration officials who requested anonymity to discuss internal conversations. Biden, who is scheduled to remain at the presidential retreat through Wednesday, is expected to return to the White House if he decides to deliver an address.”
Quote of the Day
August 16, 2021 at 7:25 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
“Thanks to God, the war is over in the country.”
— Mohammad Naeem, spokesman for the Taliban, to Al Jazeera.
Afghan Collapse Was Years In the Making
August 16, 2021 at 7:19 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
Washington Post:
“U.S. military officials privately harbored fundamental doubts for the duration of the war that the Afghan security forces could ever become competent or shed their dependency on U.S. money and firepower.
Said on unnamed U.S. official in 2016: “Thinking we could build the military that fast and that well was insane.”
“Those fears, rarely expressed in public, were ultimately borne out by the sudden collapse this month of the Afghan security forces, whose wholesale and unconditional surrender to the Taliban will go down as perhaps the worst debacle in the history of proxy warfare.”
Axios:
“The Taliban’s lightning seizure of Afghanistan’s capital yesterday exposed stunning failures of American intelligence, imagination and execution that will be studied as long as people study history.”
Questions Raised About Biden’s Foreign Policy Record
August 16, 2021 at 6:58 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
Wall Street Journal:
“During the 2020 political campaign, President Biden presented himself as a globe-trotting leader who had helmed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, served as President Barack Obama’s point man on complex international issues and who was determined to bring a steady hand to national security.
“Yet the turmoil that has engulfed Afghanistan, which has led Mr. Biden to send 5,000 troops back to the country, roughly doubling the force he decided in April to take out, has confronted the White House with a crisis that could have lasting humanitarian and national-security consequences.”
Washington Post:
“The Taliban’s stunningly swift advances across Afghanistan have sparked global alarm, reviving doubts about the credibility of U.S. foreign policy promises and drawing harsh criticisms even from some of the United States’ closest allies.”
🤣Just over a month ago, President Joe Biden was asked by a reporter if a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was "inevitable".
"No, it is not," the president said👊
The Afghan Air Force didn’t take flight because — God help us — Joe Biden refused to let outside maintenance crews into Afghanistan, effectively grounding the fleet.
https://twitter.com/BryanDeanWright/status/1426939587713241095
Kennedy bore responsibility for the Cuban invasion fiasco, but much of the blame was on his military intelligence.
There has been an immense failure of military intelligence this time as well.
Pedo GODdard kind left you in the dark over what Trump had done
Blogger JamesNewLeaf said...
Trump had four years to improve on our policy in Afghanistan. He was for withdrwal of our troops.
What did he do in those four years to make withdrawal feasible?
I repeat: What?
Stupid ass
"Were I still the secretary of state with a commander in chief like President Trump, the Taliban would have understood that there were real costs to pay if there were plots against the United States of America from that place," Pompeo said. "Qassem Soleimani learned that lesson, and the Taliban would have learned it as well. . . "
". . . it's worth noting this did not happen on our watch. We reduced our forces significantly and the Taliban didn't advance on capitals all across Afghanistan. So it's just a plain old fact that this is happening under the Biden administration's leadership now almost a quarter of our way into his first term, this is not the way leaders lead, by pointing backwards."
"We had a bad deal we inherited -- the JCPOA [Iran nuclear deal]; we got out of it," Pompeo continued. "We secured America from the risk from Iran. We inherited a horrible deal in Syria where ISIS controlled real estate the size of Great Britain. We crushed them. Every president confronts challenges. This president confronted a challenge in Afghanistan. He has utterly failed to protect the American people from this challenge."
https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-pompeo-nukes-biden-in-response-to-biden-trying-to-blame-trump-for-afghanistan-debacle
"There has been an immense failure of military intelligence this time as well." James
Woke Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley.
LOL
Stupid ass is not a very good answer, Cali.
But maybe you did not read my quetion.
Yep, goat fucker.....that Milley guy is an immense loser who served trump as a foil!!!!!!!!!!!Remember idiots, Trump thought the Taliban would adhere to anything he negotiated.....like the original pull out date he set.....so far all you can do is blame biden for 20 years of failures starting with busch!!!!
question
PS I think it is very fitting that Cali qouted me at 7:52 right after my previous post.
Chaotic Scenes Grip Kabul’s Airport
August 16, 2021 at 6:37 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
Bloomberg:
“Desperate scenes played out at Kabul’s international airport on Monday as thousands rushed to exit Afghanistan after Taliban fighters took control of the capital, with Reuters reporting at least five people were killed as people tried to forcibly enter planes leaving the country.
“Citing witnesses, Reuters said it wasn’t clear whether the victims died of gunshots or in a stampede at Hamid Karzai International Airport.
Earlier it reported that U.S. forces fired in the air to prevent thousands of citizens from running onto the tarmac, the last remaining area under American control. Afghanistan’s aviation authority suspended flights out of the country and asked people not to rush to the airport.”
Stupid ass answered you Caliphate4vr
He's the only one on the board who things Goddard is a fair source.
Things are so bad for Biden and America right now there is no real support for Biden and almost unanimous outrage.
Somehow Goddard manages to post the least harmful
what a disingenuous asshole the lying POS "pastor" is.
Biden is the President.
The Job is simply to much.
"Were I still the secretary of state with a commander in chief like President Trump, the Taliban would have understood that there were real costs to pay if there were plots against the United States of America from that place," Pompeo said. "Qassem Soleimani learned that lesson, and the Taliban would have learned it as well. . . "
". . . it's worth noting this did not happen on our watch. We reduced our forces significantly and the Taliban didn't advance on capitals all across Afghanistan. So it's just a plain old fact that this is happening under the Biden administration's leadership now almost a quarter of our way into his first term, this is not the way leaders lead, by pointing backwards."
And Biden said in his 2020 campaign he would accept responsibility for his actions and what happened under his watch and not blame his predecessor
Then when in office he blamed Trump and took no responsibility
He's been absent
other than playing the blame game
It is obvious that there were SOME military experts who all along were questioning what we were doing in Afghanistan AND HOW WE WERE DOING IT, AND WHAT THE OUTCOME WOULD BE.
Why didn't they speak up?
Could it be at least partly because the Trump regime had made it clear how UNWELCOME dissenting opinions were?
This will whole matter, all twenty years of it, will be studied for years.
Some, but not all, of the blame will fall on Biden.
Kennedy trusted his military experts regarding the Cuban invasion and later wished he hadn't.
Will that be true of Biden as well?
this whole matter will
Lauren Boebert
@LaurenBoebert
When President Trump was in charge, we opened our US embassy in Jerusalem against all opposition.
With Biden in charge, we’re evacuating our embassies by helicopter once again.
Leadership matters.
Leadership does matter. It's time for us to stop trusting Presidents who lead us into disastrous foreign entanglements. George W. Bush said he didn't believe in nation building, and yet what did we end up doing in Afghanistan?
A very poor job of "nation building" in a situation not at all conducive to nation building.
The Russians had sense enough to get out early.
We didn't.
ilDonaldoTrumpo
PHOTO:
https://gab.com/ilDonaldoTrumpo/posts/106761611665514434
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi meeting with The Taliban in China. July 28th. Are you paying attention yet?
brilliant
Wonder why they would be meeting while Biden was delaying the withdrawal and giving the Taliban time to plan and organize.
and somehow the US couldn't organize
Catastrophic failure
but just one among many for Biden
Next up China and Russia .
They will take full advantage of Bidens weakness.
I repeat what I said at 8:30.
And by theway, F'n greatly honors me each time he repeats my name. He is admitting that I am a potent force on this blog.
I have to gove James credit.
He is good at attempting to blame everyone that is not in command.
The insurgents tried to calm residents of the capital, insisting their fighters wouldn’t enter people’s homes or interfere with businesses. They also said they’d offer an “amnesty” to those who worked with the Afghan government or foreign forces.
Wow... so there are actually some people out there trying to spin this as if the Taliban are not so bad and will be much nicer "this time" as they take away rights from women, impose religious doctrine on everyone, and go back to executing gays.
The entire world and 90% of Americans understand that this was lunacy. From our allies in Europe to our allies in other parts of the world, there is nobody who doesn't accept that this was a total flop.
Only a few hardcore Biden anus lickers still are trying to defend this.
JamesNewLeaf said...
I repeat what I said at 8:30.
And by theway, F'n greatly honors me each time he repeats my name. He is admitting that I am a potent force on this blog.
ROFLMFAO !!!
ld, there is nobody who doesn't accept that this was a total flop.
ALL THANKS TO GW BUSCH!!!!!!!!
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