Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., issued a warning to the Supreme Court days before oral arguments in a potential landmark abortion case, claiming that a “revolution” will take place if the high court overturns existing precedent. “I hope the Supreme Court is listening to the people of the United States because – to go back to Adam Sexton’s question – I think if you want to see a revolution go ahead, outlaw Roe v. Wade and see what the response is of the public, particularly young people,” Shaheen said toward the end of the event. “Because I think that will not be acceptable to young women or young men.”
The question I have for Shaheen is which people should the USSC be listening to?
Shouldn't the court actually be listening to the people of Mississippi who are in favor of this law and elected officials who were transparent about creating a tougher law regarding abortion? Why should they just listen to Shaheen and others who believe that it's their place to tell everyone else how to write their laws?
I think Shaheen, for whatever reasons, overplays the hand here.
The last polling I read on this subject is clear that people want safe access to abortion, but within reason. The further a poll is willing to break this all down, the more the so called overwhelming support for abortion starts to fade. For instance, only approximately a third of Americans believe abortion should be legal after the first trimester (weeks 1-12) and less than one in five believe it should be legal after the second trimester. While most people believe that abortion should be legal in cases of rape, incest, or medical complication, there is significant number of those who believe that those are the only cases where it should be legal. Support for abortion fades after people have kids of their own, and ultimately a majority of Americans believe abortion is morally wrong (including a portion who also believe it should be legal).
If one were to put everything together, it would appears that a popular consensus would be to make abortion legal throughout the first trimester (which should cover incest and rape situations), banned in trimesters two and three, while making exceptions after the first trimester for medical issues that might come across for either the fetus or mother. That would sound reasonable to many Americans. But obviously not Shaheen.
So why would a ban after the 15th week (which is in the second trimester) be such a big thing? Because politicians like Shaheen need to make an issue out of it. They have little else to drum up any support.
Of course... ultimately hyperdrama being introduced into this case sort of misses the point. Regardless of how the USSC rules, states like New Hampshire (where Shaheen is from) can write whatever laws they want. They could allow abortions for every situation that is currently allowed and write that law the day after this decision. There will be nothing from this upcoming Mississippi ruling that will restrict anything new. This is strictly about whether or not Mississippi can make their own abortion law.
No matter how the Justices rule, Mississippi cannot push their abortion ideas onto anyone from New Hampshire or anywhere else in the country. Oh, and just for the record. Overturning Roe v Wade (and it is still unlikely that the Justices will demand this ruling does anything of the sort) would not outlaw abortions as many American falsely believe. It would just allow States to make their own restrictions.
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Ah yes; Their violence is speech while our speech is violence.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-senator-revolution-roe-wade-overturned
h/t: AoS.
This has always been bad law on it's face, and returning it to the states is the right thing to do from a legal perspective.
Shaheen, like all democrats, has always been a small thinker. No surprises there.
What I think is possible is if Roberts can find his balls and return it to the states, the left goes nuts like we've never seen before, and there's a violent full court press to completely disrupt and PACK it.
Abortion has always been the single most holy blessed sacrament for the left, and if they lose on this issue the Junkie Floyd riots look like a girl scout jamboree.
Joe Biden has zero plan.
His F-Grade Economic Advisor are doing nothing.
"U.S. Foreclosure Market Report, which shows there were a total of 45,517 U.S. properties with foreclosure filings — default notices, scheduled auctions or bank repossessions — up 34 percent from the previous quarter and 68 percent from a year ago"
Those that want to save their own lives from covid have what reasonable logical argument for Abortion?
They only win if one or more justices are intimidated by the violent speech.
It could happen.
Trump may have increased the number of people of color by accident.
The Supreme Court agreed to hear a case about such a blatantly unconstitutional abortion ban only after Mitch McConnell abused his power to give Donald Trump three appointments to the Supreme Court, including replacing Ruth Bader Ginsburg with Amy Coney Barrett as voting for the 2020 election was already underway and before Ginsburg was even buried.
If Roe is overturned, all of us will be impacted, our freedom taken away. But some will be disproportionately impacted, and that includes low-income people of color, who can't afford to travel to a state that keeps abortion legal and accessible, take time off work, or pay the enormous costs of an out-of-state abortion.
So Roger...
Who is the source here that knows more about constitutional law than the USSC?
Non-sense from another F-Graded economic Biden team member.
Omicron strikes fear in team Biden
" There's a lot of uncertainty, but it could cause significant problems. We're still evaluating that."
(CNN Business)The year before Covid-19 hit, the United States became a net exporter of energy for the first time since 1952"
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Liberty University Professor Charged In Abduction
December 2, 2021 at 8:53 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 30 Comments
“A professor at Liberty University is accused in the abduction and sexual battery of a student,” NBC News reports.
Jerry Falwell and Jerry Falwell Jr.'s old haunts.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/12/02/war-world-iii-may-arrive-sooner-you-think
It's very frightening.
World War Three 2027.
He says that the Pentagon is getting prepared already
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republican rat bastard (rrb):
"Abortion has always been the single most holy blessed sacrament for the left, and if they lose on this issue the Junkie Floyd riots [will] look like a girl scout jamboree."
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rrb BS.
If the Supreme Court overthrows Roe vs. Wade, I predict little if any violence in the streets.
As I often said back in the days when Savagette aka Loretta was mouthing off her nonsensical lies about me, I myself am no fan of abortion, and as I often said back then, my position on abortion is similar to the position taken by the United Methodist church's, which I posted here.
Ch said he found their position "reasonable." But he no longer talks like that ever since he sold his soul to Trump.
Liberty University is certainly opposed to abortion. But when it comes to sexual dalliance...
See the following.
Liberty University professor charged in alleged abduction, sexual battery of student
U.S. NEWS
William Atwell, who teaches American Sign Language, was arrested on charges of sexual battery and abduction by force, according to court records.
IDec. 2, 2021, 5:13 PM CST
By Elisha Fieldstadt
A professor at Liberty University is accused in the abduction and sexual battery of a student, according to the evangelical school and court records in Lynchburg, Virginia.
The man, William Atwell, was arrested late last month on charges of sexual battery and abduction by force, court records show. He was released on bail and is due back in court on Jan. 25.
Court records say that a sexual battery incident happened in September and that an abduction by force happened Nov. 19, the day before campus police arrested Atwell.
Atwell’s profile had been pulled from Liberty’s website by Thursday, but a remaining page on the site indicates that he is a professor of American Sign Language in the university’s modern languages department.
Atwell did not respond to a request for comment Thursday. A statement from a university spokesperson said he had been suspended.
“Liberty University takes nothing more seriously than claims that a faculty member has had inappropriate sexual contact with one of our students, something for which there is zero tolerance,” the spokesperson said.
OH YEAH? KEEP READING.
ProPublica reported in late October that more than 50 former Liberty students and staff members spoke of a culture at the school in which leaders discourage women coming forward with reports of sexual assault.
Students said they were dismissed or threatened with being punished after they came forward with reports of rape and sexual abuse. School officials would refer to the school’s moral code, "The Liberty Way,” which bans premarital sex and alcohol consumption, and blame the women for breaking the code, ProPublica’s investigation found.
Meanwhile, many of the men accused of attacks walked away without consequences, according to women who spoke with ProPublica.
RIGHT. SOUNDS LIKE THE TALIBAN, DOESN'T IT.
A lawsuit filed in July by 12 former Liberty students and employees said the honor code makes it “difficult or impossible” for students to report sexual violence. The Title IX suit also alleged “public and repeated retaliation against women who did report their victimization."
A status report filed in October said 10 more women had come forward with similar claims. Some of the women were current Liberty students.
The school has not countered the suit. Liberty President Jerry Prevo said in a statement in July that the "allegations in the Jane Doe 1-12 v. Liberty University lawsuit are deeply troubling, if they turn out to be true."
IF TRUE.
"Many of the claims are the complete opposite of how the University’s policies and procedures were designed to operate over the years," he wrote. "Liberty University will not tolerate Title IX violations, sexual abuse or sexual assault in any form at any time."
Scott Lamb, who was Liberty’s communications chief until earlier this year, also sued the school, alleging that he was fired for raising concerns with Liberty leaders about how they dealt with reports of sexual assault.
In a countersuit, Liberty said Lamb's claims were "defamatory" and "false."
A school spokesperson did not respond Thursday to requests for comment on the lawsuits and the ProPublica article.
I ALREADY THINK I KNOW WHO I BELIEVE...
"We have a J. Edgar Hoover of public health right now, and that's not what we want,"
Bipartisanship is back under Sleepy Joe Biden.
WASHINGTON—Congress passed a short-term extension of government funding and sent the legislation to President Biden’s desk, averting a partial shutdown after resolving a standoff over vaccine rules.
Top Republicans and Democrats reached an agreement on the spending plan Thursday morning to extend funding through Feb. 18, then quickly maneuvered the legislation through both the House and Senate before the expiration of current funding at 12:01 a.m Saturday. The legislation also includes $7 billion for assisting evacuees from Afghanistan.
The House passed the measure 221-212, sending it to the Senate, where lawmakers defused a threat from some Senate Republicans to block fast passage over the Biden administration’s vaccine-or-test mandate. Lawmakers held an amendment vote on the issue, which failed. The Senate then voted 69-28 to approve the spending bill.
As lawmakers prepare for another increase in the debt ceiling, WSJ's Greg Ip explains why it is economically feasible for the U.S. to keep borrowing, as long as interest rates stay low.
“I am glad that in the end cooler heads prevailed, the government will stay open, and I thank the members of this chamber for walking us back from the brink of an avoidable, needless, costly shutdown,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) said.
Extending current federal spending, set under the Trump administration, through mid-February will give lawmakers more time to negotiate and pass a new set of funding bills. Republicans have sought to preserve the current funding levels for as long as possible, while Democrats are pushing for more funding for a variety of domestic programs, including education, healthcare and research efforts.
Because they have sold their souls to Trump, just like Scott.
The Senate then voted 69-28 to approve the spending bill.
Scott will call the Republicans who voted for the bill RINO traitors.
James, during the Obama years the Republicans sold their souls because he was not white enough. He was born in Kenya Africa.
Under Obama, leading Republicans claimed that their fiscal brinkmanship was motivated by concerns about budget deficits. Some of us argued even at the time that self-proclaimed deficit hawks were phonies, that they didn’t actually care about government debt — a view validated by their silence when the Trump administration blew up the deficit — and that they actually wanted to see the economy suffer on Obama’s watch. But they maintained enough of a veneer of Trump love to his good people on both sides.
This time, Republican obstructionists aren’t even pretending to care anything but Trump. Instead, they’re threatening to shut everything down unless the Biden administration abandons its efforts to fight the coronavirus with vaccine mandates. Despite the fact that more Republicans will die because they sold their souls to Trump.
What’s that about? As many observers have pointed out, claims that opposition to vaccine mandates (and similar opposition to mask mandates) is about maintaining personal freedom don’t stand up to any kind of scrutiny. No reasonable definition of freedom includes the right to endanger other people’s health and lives because they don’t care because they sold their souls to Trump because he opposes vaccine injections.
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CNN Business)The year before Covid-19 hit, the United States became a net exporter of energy for the first time since 1952"
Biden gee this strategic Advantage away.
Powell and Yellen are two worthless Socialist on Team Biden.
They retired the made up term of "Transitory Inflation" but the damage has been done.
Wages lost to real inflation have made people poorer.
They lied.
Yes, I’m talking about the conservative justices on the Supreme Court, and the abortion rights those justices have now made clear they will eviscerate.
They weren’t just evasive, or vague, or deceptive. They lied. They lied to Congress and to the country, claiming they either had no opinions at all about abortion, or that their beliefs were simply irrelevant to how they would rule. They would be wise and pure, unsullied by crass policy preferences, offering impeccably objective readings of the Constitution.
It. Was. A. Lie.
We went through the same routine in the confirmation hearings of every one of those justices. When Democrats tried to get them to state plainly their views on Roe v. Wade, they took two approaches. Some tried to convince everyone that they would leave it untouched. Others, those already on record proclaiming opposition to abortion rights, suggested they had undergone a kind of intellectual factory reset enabling them to assess the question anew with an unspoiled mind, one concerned only with the law.
Unfortunately, that lie was and is still enabled by the news media. Even in the face of what we saw at the court on Wednesday — when at least five of the six conservatives made clear their intention to overturn Roe — press accounts continued offering euphemisms and weasel words, about “inconsistencies” or “contradictions.”
But sometimes the right puts its purposes in the open. There was a particularly striking exchange between Laura Ingraham and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) on Fox News, where Ingraham grew inexplicably enraged over the mere possibility that Roe might not be overturned.
“If we have six Republican appointees on this court,” she said, "after all the money that’s been raised, the Federalist Society, all these big fat-cat dinners — I’m sorry, I’m pissed about this — if this court with six justices cannot do the right thing here,” then Republicans should “blow it up” and pass some kind of law limiting the court’s authority.
“I would do that in a heartbeat,” Cruz responded.
In other words: We bought this court, and we’d better get what we paid for.
[The Opinions Essay | The Rule of Six: A newly radicalized Supreme Court is poised to reshape the nation]
Like his Republican colleagues, that same Ted Cruz repeatedly insisted at confirmation hearings that the very idea that a Republican appointee might have a political agenda was deeply offensive to whatever fine nominee was before them. So let’s review what those justices — now treating women’s bodily autonomy with such naked contempt — had to say during their confirmation hearings.
The newest justice, Amy Coney Barrett, was already on record stating that abortion is a moral evil. But in her hearing, she insisted, “I don’t have any agenda.” Asked by a Republican senator whether it would be possible to predict how she might rule on subjects like abortion, Barrett responded: “It’s not possible.”
“I’d be kind of like a legal pundit," she said. "I don’t think anyone wants judges to function that way.”
That must be why Republicans were so desperate to get her on the court and so rapturous with joy when she was confirmed: Because they had no idea how she might rule!
Then there’s Brett M. Kavanaugh, who insisted in his hearing that Roe was “settled as a precedent,” because “it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years.” Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) emerged from a meeting with Kavanaugh and said he’d assured her that Roe is “settled law." She gave him her vote.
Neil M. Gorsuch was as pure of mind as the others. Asked whether the Constitution protects intimate personal decisions on subjects like abortion and marriage, he said, “I have never expressed personal views as a judge on this subject, and that is because my personal views do not matter.”
Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. insisted that as a justice he would merely locate the objectively right decision in all cases, calling “balls and strikes” without concern for any preferences of his own. Asked if Roe was settled law, he replied, “It is settled as a precedent of the Court, yes.”
[David Von Drehle: What the conservative arguments against abortion get all wrong]
Confronted at his hearing with a previous written statement that the Constitution does not protect the right to abortion, Samuel A. Alito Jr. vowed that as a judge, he would “put aside” the opinions he had as a lawyer and "think about legal issues the way a judge thinks about legal issues.”
Taking the cake was Clarence Thomas, who swore he had never had a conversation about Roe. He answered a Senator’s question by declaring, “Your question to me was ... do I have this day an opinion, a personal opinion on the outcome in Roe v. Wade; and my answer to you is that I do not.”
No one on either side of the issue believed him for a moment.
It was all a lie, a scam, a con: the assurances that they were blank slates committed to “originalism” and “textualism,” that they wouldn’t “legislate from the bench,” that they have no agenda but merely a “judicial philosophy.”
Somehow that philosophy nearly always produces results conservatives want: undermining voting rights, enhancing corporate power, constraining the rights of workers, enabling the proliferation of guns, and now most vividly, allowing state governments to force women to carry pregnancies to term against their will.
From this day forward, no one should be naive enough to believe a word any conservative says on this subject, except for those few who forthrightly proclaim that the Supreme Court must read right-wing policy preferences into the Constitution. There was never any mystery about who these justices are and what they would do. There were only liars saying otherwise, and fools who chose to believe them.
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