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Or perhaps this is just a trick to get them to change the subject and talk about something else, because they never stay on topic... only the shadow knows!
Friday, May 6, 2022
Because I am curious and nobody is discussing it...
How do you liberals feel about the possibility of Roe being overturned?
Or perhaps this is just a trick to get them to change the subject and talk about something else, because they never stay on topic... only the shadow knows!
Or perhaps this is just a trick to get them to change the subject and talk about something else, because they never stay on topic... only the shadow knows!
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New Poll Reveals Warning Signs for GOP on Abortion
May 6, 2022 at 5:46 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 104 Comments
A new Yahoo News/YouGov poll found that registered voters initially preferred a generic Democrat over a generic Republican by 5 percentage points when asked how they would vote in their district if the congressional election were being held today, 44% to 39%.
But when voters were asked to choose instead between a “pro-choice Democrat” and a “pro-life Republican,” GOP support fell to 31% while Democratic support held steady — more than doubling the gap between the two candidates, to 13 percentage points.
Many right-wing politicians and pundits have spent the week rejoicing over Monday's momentous report that five conservative Supreme Court justices appear poised to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision that established a constitutional right to abortion almost half a century ago.
Yet a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll, one of the first to be conducted entirely after the leak of Justice Samuel Alito’s controversial draft opinion, suggests that Republicans risk overplaying their hand on abortion ahead of the 2022 midterms — and that Democrats could benefit if the hot-button issue is on the ballot.
The survey of 1,577 U.S. adults, which was conducted from May 3 to May 6, found that registered voters initially preferred a generic Democrat (44%) over a generic Republican (39%) by 5 percentage points when asked how they would vote in their district if the congressional election were being held today.
But when voters were asked to choose instead between a “pro-choice Democrat” and a “pro-life Republican,” GOP support fell to 31% while Democratic support held steady — more than doubling the gap between the two candidates, to 13 percentage points.
By the same token, 69% of Americans say they would “oppose Congress passing a law that bans abortion nationwide.” The Washington Post reported this week that conservative groups have already met with their congressional allies about a possible “nationwide ban on the procedure if Republicans retake power in Washington,” and several GOP senators have started sketching out policy details.
“I think you could expect that pro-life activists would push for federal protections” if the Supreme Court overturns Roe, GOP Sen. Kevin Cramer of North Dakota told NBC News. “I wouldn't take that off the table.”
A mere 22% of Americans say they would favor such a law — while more than twice as many (48%) would support a law "that keeps abortion as legal and accessible nationwide as it had been under Roe.”
These warning signs for Republicans reflect a deeper, and remarkably consistent, pattern. On question after question, only about a third of Americans say they agree with the transformative decision the court is now careening toward — that is, a decision to end all federal protections for abortion, allowing state legislatures to restrict or ban the procedure as they please.
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The new Yahoo News/YouGov poll holds some possible hints. A full 28% of pro-choice Americans, for instance, now say they will vote only for a candidate who “shares [their] view on abortion.” Among Americans who identify as "pro-life" — who are traditionally seen as the more motivated group — that number is significantly lower (21%).
The new survey also measured a sizable jump in dissatisfaction among Democrats, with the number who say "things in this country are off on the wrong track" rising 8 points (to 43%) since last month, likely because of the leaked draft opinion. Neither Republicans nor independents shifted nearly as much. Whether such unease translates into turnout, however, remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, 20% of Democrats — including 22% of Democratic women and 27% of liberal Democrats — now select abortion as “the most important issue” for this year’s election, ahead of inflation (19%), health care (16%) and climate change (14%). In November 2021, just 4% of Democrats, 6% of Democratic women and 5% of liberal Democrats selected abortion as their most important issue.
Republicans (6%) and independents (6%) are far less inclined to cite abortion as the most important issue.
Already, Democratic candidates in key races from Georgia to Pennsylvania to Texas are seizing on the likely end of Roe to argue that voting Republican — or sitting out the election — will pave the way for those states (and possibly Congress as a whole) to outlaw abortion going forward. Many Republican candidates, meanwhile, are jockeying to prove they’re more anti-abortion than their GOP rivals as they aim to appeal to an increasingly right-wing primary electorate.
However, it’s still unclear how these new arguments might reshape the midterms.
For one thing, President Biden's job-approval rating — 40% approve vs. 52% disapprove in the new survey — remains low, and inflation (33%) is still a far more important issue for the general electorate than abortion (10%).
Scott, if the life can motivate enough people like you to not vote or even support a moderate Democratic candidate.
And if the economy doesn't go into a recession then??
This could change it back to 2018
Lmao. A little humor is not bad news
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Senator Susan Collins, who had been assured by Brett Kavanaugh in 2018 that he considered Roe v. Wade “settled law,” said today that she was “shocked” that the Supreme Court Justice “would ever lie to a woman.”
“When I met with Justice Kavanaugh before his confirmation hearings, he looked me in the eye and said that he considered Roe v. Wade the law of the land,” she said. “Nothing in his confirmation hearings suggested that he would ever be less than trustworthy with a woman.”
“As I watched his Senate testimony, I felt even more confident that he had told me the truth,” she added. “His utter respect for a woman’s right to make decisions for herself came shining through.”
In the aftermath of the leaked Supreme Court draft ruling and reports that Kavanaugh voted to overturn Roe v. Wade, however, Collins is reassessing her ability to tell whether someone is lying to her. “My conduct in this matter has left me troubled and concerned,” she said.
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Merrick B. Garland
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Kavanaugh will not change his mind.
Unless someone else. 5 -4.
And we go back to 1700's.
Almost every thing that has changed since the Washington was the first President
How do you liberals feel about the possibility of Roe being overturned? CHT
Do you think any of them will answer?
None have so far.
Spam , oh of course.
And we go back to 1700's.
You must be confused...
Roe was ruled on in 1973
So it's been less than 50 years, not 300.
But you were never much good at numbers and stuff. Thus your below average GPA and SAT score that was 400 points lower than mine.
😂C.H. TruthMay 6, 2022 at 5:58 PM
And we go back to 1700's.
You must be confused🤣
Roger..
Perhaps you can reminisce about the horrors of living back prior to the Roe ruling?
I know people think of think of the 60s as freedom, sex drugs and rock and roll and the flower children...
But it must have "really" been like the handmaid's tale, right? All those 60's women going to church, following their man, and being second class citizens with no rights!
Scott the Atlantic magadezine 100 years
The draft, written by Justice Samuel Alito, is sweeping and radical. There is no need to dwell too long on its legal logic; there are no magic words that the authors of prior opinions might have used in their own decisions that could have preserved the right to ve an abortion in the face of a decisive right-wing majority on the Court. The opinion itself reads like a fancy press release from a particularly loyal member of the GOP Senate caucus. Alito’s writing reflects the current tone of right-wing discourse: grandiose and contemptuous, disingenuous and self-contradictory, with the necessary undertone of self-pity as justification. Alito, like the five other conservative justices, was placed on the Court by the conservative legal movement for the purpose of someday handing down this decision. These justices are doing what they were put there to do.
Alito claims to be sweeping away one of the great unjust Supreme Court precedents, such as Dred Scott v. Sanford, which held that Black people had no rights white men were bound to respect, or Plessy v. Ferguson, which upheld racial segregation. But in truth, Alito is employing the logic of Plessy, allowing the states to violate the individual rights of their residents in any way their legislatures deem “reasonable,” as the opinion in Plessy put it. Homer Plessy’s argument was that the segregation law violated his Fourteenth Amendment rights, and that those rights should not be subject to a popularity contest in every state in the union; what Alito describes as a “restrictive regime” of constitutional protection for abortion rights is the kind of safe harbor Plessy himself sought.
Imo it's an extreme version of the expansion of state rights almost like reversing the authority of Supreme Court’s authority to determine whether state law were unconstitutional.
Marbury v. Madison (1803).
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/alito-leaked-roe-opinion-abortion-supreme-court-civil-rights/629748/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
If it actually works out the way you want to, every state is a free country.
Imo it's an extreme version of the expansion of state rights almost like reversing the authority of Supreme Court’s authority to determine whether state law were unconstitutional.
You do realize that the USSC is allowed to believe that state laws are actually constitutional? Not all suits brought before the court are specifically promised (by Marbury v Madison) to be overturned.
Nobody will convince me (or most legal scholars) that Roe was a well founded decision and that overturning it is "extreme". When someone attempts to do sok they just look... f-n foolish. They look like they have no idea how the constitution or law works.
The Atlantic article is about reversal of anti segregation law
Again Roger...
Everytime you see a court decision you do not like... you bring up Marbury v Madison. Almost as if you believe that the ruling demands that the USSC fall in line with everything some South Dakota fool from the 21st century believes.
Is that what you believe?
Or what the hell are you talking about?
This case "literally" has nothing to do with Marbury vs Madison.
Literally nothing what-so-ever. The courts (in spite of Marbury vs Madison) can still allow a state law to stand. Because sure as hell there have been a lot of state laws passed since 1803.
Roger...
So you have been bringing up abortion and Roe for days... I start a thread on abortion and Roe and you decide to talk about a completely different court decision?
What sort of fresh hell is this?
1700, is now "219 years ago Marbury v. Madison (1803)."
And?
Where is AG Garland?
18 U.S. Code § 115 - Influencing, impeding, or retaliating against a Federal official by threatening or injuring a family member
Off topic but
Even before election day, Trump was planning a coup.
A week before election day 2020, the US secretary of defense was so worried that Donald Trump would seek to involve the military in the election in an attempt to hold on to power, he told the general commanding the US national guard to notify him of any communication from anyone at all at the White House.
“Without being too explicit,” Mark Esper writes in a new memoir, “my message was clear: the US military was not going to get involved in the election, no matter who directed it. I would intercede.”
Such an intercession, Esper writes, would involve trying to persuade Trump not to use the military to hold on to power, then if necessary Esper would resign, appeal to Republicans in Congress and hold a press conference to appeal to the American people directly.
Esper thought Trump might order actions such as seizing ballot boxes in key states. Ultimately, Trump did not attempt to use the military to influence the election, which he lost to Joe Biden. He did seek to overturn the result by other means.
Esper was fired by Trump on 9 November 2020, six days after the election.
He details the extraordinary steps he felt compelled to take before that in a new book, A Sacred Oath: Memoirs of a Defense Secretary in Extraordinary Times, which will be published next week. The Guardian obtained a copy.
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Great Message Joe.
ROGERS 8th Different Topic
FYI I actually did some research and I was wrong about Marbury vs Madison. The Constitution gives the Supreme Court the authority to overturn unconstitutional state laws.
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By banning abortion, the Supreme Court will become the leading agent of fascist purification.
It is opening the door to legal assaults on interracial marriage, same-sex couples, and birthright citizenship. Undermining the humanity of entire groups will embolden the right to throttle the legal rights of Blacks, Muslims, and immigrants, and encourage more violence by the police and far-right militias. Fascists will try to destroy any independent source of power, especially the left, unions, and workers movements because they are among its most powerful opponents. Whatever misgivings corporate leaders have about fascism, they accommodate it in the end because it’s good for business.
The fascist appetite for purifying and cleansing the body is endless. Banning abortion will not sate it. Trump’s fascism will devour everything until it is eliminated root and branch.
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Banning abortion is key to Trump’s fascist agenda
Arun Gupta
May 06, 2022
If a majority of Supreme Court justices follows through on its plans to outlaw abortion, then America will cross the threshold into full-blown fascism. This is controversial, so let me explain.
Any discussion of fascism quickly veers into jargon, qualifiers, and deep history, because it can cover many different movements with contradictory ideas. But there is an easy way to understand what drives fascism and how it relates to abortion.
Banning abortion is indisputably about controlling women’s bodies. The body is central to fascist ideas and practice. Simply put, fascism is fixated with the corruption and purity of the body. The body can be an individual, a community, or most important, the nation.
Trump is obsessed with the body. If he likes something it is beautiful. War, his border wall, dying doctors and nurses, coal, pipelines, Confederate statues, sleeping gas, missile strikes, Black reporters injured by police are all “beautiful.” If Trump hates someone, they are physically disgusting or dangerous. Hillary Clinton, Mika Brzezinski, Rosie O’Donnell and Megyn Kelly are disgusting. Entire countries are “shitholes,” Syrian refugees are snakes, Muslims are an enemy within, immigrants are animals, diseased, rapists, and criminals who are poisoning us.
Trump turned his politics of bodily disgust into policy about the national body. If America is diseased, poisoned, corrupted, then it needs to be purified. Upon entering the White House, Trump and his chief henchman, Stephen Miller, began the ethnic cleansing. Within a week they issued executive orders to round up more immigrants, reject refugees, and ban Muslims.
Trump didn’t have a clear political program like Mein Kampf, although Hitler’s speeches served as his bedtime reading and as president Trump said, “Hitler did a lot of good things.”
But Trump has a slogan that is fascist to its malevolent heart: “Make America Great Again.” You see, fascism combines extreme nationalism with an invented past of a pure master race. For fascists, the past is a blueprint for the future. They seek to purify the nation by violently imposing strict identities around race, sexuality, and gender they claim are ancient and eternal.
Trump said the master race part out loud during the 2020 campaign, and it was pure biology. While speaking to a virtually all-white rally in Minnesota, he praised the “racehorse theory of genes,” which is unvarnished Nazi eugenics.
Trump said, “You have good genes, you know that, right? You have good genes. A lot of it is about the genes, isn't it, don't you believe? The racehorse theory. You think we're so different? You have good genes in Minnesota.”
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-abortion/
KansasDemocrat said...
Where is AG Garland?
18 U.S. Code § 115 - Influencing, impeding, or retaliating against a Federal official by threatening or injuring a family member
good question.
he's not upholding the constitution either
democracy dies with democrats
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