🚨 A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.
— Peter Alexander (@PeterAlexander) June 28, 2022
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1 – 200 of 206 Newer› Newest»Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson’s Tuesday testimony ought to ring the death knell for former President Donald Trump’s political career. Trump is unfit to be anywhere near power ever again.
Hutchinson’s resume alone should establish her credibility. The 25-year-old had already worked at the highest levels of conservative Republican politics, including in the offices of Sen. Ted Cruz (TX) and House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (LA), before becoming a top aide for former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows.
In short, Hutchinson was a conservative Trumpist true believer and a tremendously credible one at that. She did not overstate things, did not seem to be seeking attention, and was very precise about how and why she knew what she related and about which testimony was firsthand and which was secondhand but able to be corroborated.
The only question left folks... is why is the left so bloody gullible?
Some like the alky are truly gullible.
Others know exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it -
To distract from the most epic fucking disaster of a president in 100 fucking years.
The problem is that the distraction only works on the devoted. There's a reason why 1 MILLION democrats have switched to Republicans this year. - FJB.
Patty Murray, that worm from Washington State, has spent $1 MILLION on campaign ads to keep her seat in a state FJB won by 20 points.
November is coming.
Fact Check: TRUE
I’ve never seen anything like the Democrat obsession with Donald Trump. He broke their brains. He’s been out of office for 18 months — the entire country has gone to shit with Joe Biden in office & Democrat control of the House & Senate — and yet it’s still all Trump. Wild.
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1541863523592159240
‘Amazing stuff’: Cassidy Hutchinson’s sworn J6 testimony is being pivoted to ‘anecdote’ status
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/06/29/amazing-stuff-cassidy-hutchinsons-sworn-j6-testimony-is-being-pivoted-to-anecdote-status/
Next: Bullshit status.
LOL.
Hutchinson’s testimony confirmed a damning portrayal of Trump as unstable, unmoored, and absolutely heedless of his sworn duty to effectuate a peaceful transition of presidential power. Considering the entirety of her testimony, it is unsurprising that Hutchinson said she heard serious discussions of Cabinet members invoking the 25th Amendment that would have at least temporarily evicted Trump from office.
Trump is a disgrace. Republicans have far better options to lead the party in 2024. No one should think otherwise, much less support him, ever again.
Hutchinson’s resume alone should establish her credibility. The 25-year-old had already worked at the highest levels of conservative Republican politics, including in the offices of Sen. Ted Cruz (TX) and House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (LA), before becoming a top aide for former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/trump-proven-unfit-for-power-again
At Tuesday's Jan. 6 committee hearing, Rep. Liz Cheney displayed a handwritten note which Hutchinson testified she wrote after Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows handed her a note card and pen to take his dictation.
Sources familiar with the matter said that Herschmann had previously told the committee that he had penned the note.
"The handwritten note that Cassidy Hutchinson testified was written by her was in fact written by Eric Herschmann on January 6, 2021," a spokesperson for Herschmann told ABC News Tuesday evening.
"All sources with direct knowledge and law enforcement have and will confirm that it was written by Mr. Herschmann," the spokesperson said.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-white-house-attorney-disputes-cassidy-hutchinsons-testimony/story?id=85898838
Hutchinson’s resume alone should establish her credibility.
She...
sas...
not...
there...
Do you understand this, Roger?
She was NOT in the limo at the time. She is rehashing a story that she claims she heard from someone who "was there" but is not testifying.
The limo driver AND secret service WERE THERE!
Why would the committee decide to NOT question anyone who was there in the limo and and instead question a hearsay witness that
would...
not...
be...
allowed...
to...
testify...
in...
court.
It's very sad that we need to keep repeating this to you. There may have been a time when you were alert enough to retain knowledge. But we don't blame you for your nursing home brain...
POLITICO Playbook: Jan. 6 panel may have found its 'smoking gun'
By EUGENE DANIELS and RYAN LIZZA
06/29/2022 06:11 AM EDT
Presented by
With help from Eli Okun and Garrett Ross
Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson's testified in yesterday's select committee hearing that President Donald Trump knew that some supporters on Jan. 6 were armed, and didn’t care. | Brandon Bell/Getty Images
DRIVING THE DAY
It’s hard to imagine how Tuesday’s surprise hearing of the House Jan. 6 committee could’ve been more damning for President DONALD TRUMP.
With vivid stories told in measured tones, CASSIDY HUTCHINSON, a former special assistant to the president and aide to chief of staff MARK MEADOWS, “stitched together every element of the panel’s case against Donald Trump,” our Kyle Cheney and Nicholas Wu write. “The Capitol riot committee has painted the former president’s potential criminal culpability for his effort to overturn the election in stark hues: investigators have portrayed Trump fuming atop an increasingly conspiracy-addled West Wing and working to corrupt the peaceful transfer of power at any cost.”
Among the stunning revelations in Hutchinson’s testimony:
— Trump knew that some supporters on Jan. 6 were armed, and didn’t care. In Hutchinson’s recounting, Trump wanted the rally on the Ellipse to be packed for his speech. Warned by the Secret Service that some Trump supporters were choosing to watch from a distance because they didn’t want to go through metal detectors and have their weapons (including AR-15s and handguns) confiscated, the president was allegedly unmoved.
“I don’t fucking care that they have weapons; they’re not here to hurt me,” Trump said, according to Hutchinson. “Take the fucking [magnetometers] away. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol from here, let the people in and take the mags away.”
If true, that means that Trump told the crowd to march to the Capitol to “fight like hell” knowing that some were armed.
— Trump demanded his team take him to the Capitol. We knew Trump wanted to go to the Capitol on Jan. 6; he said so in his speech. But this was the first time that it was clear it wasn’t a spur of the moment decision; it was an idea that some people in Trump World (notably, RUDY GIULIANI) knew about and advocated, and which White House Counsel PAT CIPOLLONE believed had concerning legal ramifications.
Hutchinson recounted that Cipollone told her to ensure that the motorcade would not go to the Capitol: They’d get “charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen.”
“Pat was concerned it would look like we were obstructing justice or obstructing the electoral college count,” she said. “And he was also worried that it would look like we were inciting a riot or encouraging a riot to erupt on the Capitol."
— When the motorcade refused to go to the Capitol, Trump angrily grabbed the steering wheel and allegedly assaulted a Secret Service agent. Hutchinson recounted a secondhand story from TONY ORNATO, the White House deputy chief of staff at the time, about Trump’s reaction when he realized that, for security reasons, the Secret Service was not taking him to the Capitol, as he wanted, after his speech on the Ellipse.
“I’m the fucking president. Take me up to the Capitol now,” Trump said, per Hutchinson. The president then reached up to grab at the steering wheel before the head of his detail, ROBERT ENGEL, “grabbed his arm and said, ‘Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel.’” She says Ornato told her Trump then used his other hand to “lunge” at Engle’s clavicle.
The secret Service agents will testify under oath to confirm her story..
I can see why Roger has fallen for every hoax over the past 6 years.
And continues to.
Why not call the actual witnesses?
Why not have actual Republicans on the committee ?
Why not release all the uncut and unedited video ?
Why not have the FBI release their involvement ?
Etc etc
FJB and his democrat enablers
And shallower
Kangaroo court
Banana Republic
China is loving as is Hunter and the big guy
And all America's enemies
Swallowers
Our own Kyle Cheney writes in: “Trump allies will seek out any potentially disputable aspect of her testimony and use it to discredit her entirely. … The select committee has also staked a lot on Hutchinson’s credibility holding up — and there was lots of confidence from the panel after Tuesday’s hearing that she had delivered effectively.”
MICK MULVANEY: “This is explosive stuff. … I know her. I don’t think she is lying.”
WHAT COMES NEXT?
— Legally: “In Hutchinson’s testimony, experts see ‘nuggets’ for Justice probe,
NYT’s Peter Baker: “Did Trump commit a crime? ‘This is the smoking gun,’ SOL WISENBERG, a former deputy to KEN STARR, tells me about today's hearing. ‘There isn’t any question this establishes a prima facie case for his criminal culpability on seditious conspiracy charges.’”
— For the committee: “Ginni Thomas lawyer has ‘serious concerns’ about Jan. 6 committee fairness,” by Betsy Woodruff Swan and Nicholas Wu … “Eastman drops bid to block phone records from Jan. 6 committee,” by Kyle Cheney
— Politically: “The startling revelations from Hutchinson's testimony about Trump's erratic behavior and state of mind on January 6 could make it easier for Republican presidential hopefuls to challenge the former President in a primary should he run, [a] Trump ally added,” write CNN’s Gabby Orr and Pamela Brown. “‘This is basically a campaign commercial for (Florida Gov.) RON DESANTIS 2024,’ said the Trump ally.”
Sorry Roger...
But the actual limo driver and secret service agents...
SAY IT DID NOT HAPPEN!!!!
So you can continue to PRETEND that her story is real!
But unless you can actually get someone who was THERE to corroborate her testimony then it is stupidly irrelevant.
Roger..
Instead of cutting and pasting more nonsense...
Which I think I will just start to delete.
Explain to us why the committee did not actually interview anyone with FIRST HAND knowledge??
Even very conservative newspapers have come to realize the dangers he posed and in the future.
But you have lost your mind Scott...
The U.S. Secret Service says it'll cooperate with the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, after a former White House aide on Tuesday claimed she'd heard that Donald Trump lunged at a driver inside a presidential car and demanded that he be taken to the Capitol.
According to reports, agents are prepared to go before Congress to flatly contradict the aide's story of an enraged Trump determined to get to the Capitol as a security breach was taking place there.
NBC News chief White House correspondent Peter Alexander tweeted on Tuesday night that two Secret Service staffers are set to testify that Trump neither lunged at the wheel of the presidential vehicle, nicknamed "The Beast," nor in any way assaulted them in a bid to get them to take him to the Capitol.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/riot/2022/06/28/id/1076511/
Which I think I will just start to delete.
PLEASE DO!
And the pederast's plagiarisms TOO!
Fucking insufferable assholes, both of them.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/trump-proven-unfit-for-power-again
Because the committee had already been forgotten by the country and they were desperate for the attention.
Next the committee will call Roger to the stand
About the only way he will ever get out of the looney asylum
I'm beginning to think that the Beatle was sane before he was assigned to roger
And his hallucinations
Newsmax and Red State are the only two or three left.
Propaganda works on your mind Scott
But more and more and finally getting to coldheartedtruth about Trump.
You lost your credibility in 2015.
So just so we are clear here Roger.
A story was told by someone who wasn't there and could not be a witness in any real hearing or trial.
The story is flat out denied by those involved and they are willing to testify under oath that the story is a hoax
But you still believe it is a game changer?
Explain to me how that is not insane?
Says the guy clinging to hearsay testimony from someone who wasn't there In front of a committee with no one to cross examine her.
Sure.
This is just impeachment v3. The democrat party is the party of hatred.
On Tuesday, reporters swiftly relayed news that the Secret Service agents disputed Hutchinson’s account of events in the presidential vehicle.
Carol Leonnig of the Washington Post, author of two books on the Trump administration and a history of the Secret Service, Zero Fail, said: “Sources tell me agents dispute that Donald Trump assaulted any agent or tried to grab the steering wheel on Jan 6. They agree Trump was furious about not being able to go to Capitol with his supporters. They offer to testify under oath.”
Secret Service agents have testified before, during the impeachment of Bill Clinton.
Trump attacked Hutchinson during the hearing, using his Truth Social platform to call her a “phony”, a “leaker” and a “whacko”. He denied grabbing the steering wheel or attacking an agent.
Republicans on the House judiciary committee tweeted that Hutchinson’s evidence was “all hearsay” and added: “What a joke.”
But Steve Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas in Austin, said: “Don’t be distracted by claims of ‘hearsay’. That goes to whether evidence can be admitted in court, not Congress.
If she lied she would be facing criminal charges..do you really believe that she would risk it
You guys forget Roger read Mary Trumps book 3 years before she wrote it
His mind is very sharp
As is everyone else's in the asylum
Just ask them
Roger
It is an NBC reporter who is one of many who are being told by the Secret Service and the Limo driver that the story is a hoax and they are willing to testify at the hearing?
If Pelosi and Cheney are so confident in that story...
They should JUMP at the chance to hear the limo driver tell it himself!
Right???
Why wouldn't they all the limo driver?
Why (instead) do they call someone who heard a story?
I mean... any intelligent person would know why?
Do you????
Sean T at RCP
@SeanTrende
Replying to
@AstorAaron
and
@PeterAlexander
Multiple sources seem to be weighing in on this, but this part of her testimony really was hearsay, and this is why it is problematic. Doubt she lied, but the person who told her this might have gotten it through a chain of telephone.
Whether or not doesn’t matter because.
Even if the Secret Service says it has people who are willing to testify under oath that former President Donald Trump never physically attacked a Secret Service officer in his attempts to go to the United States Capitol building where his supporters were gathering to riot.
National security attorney Bradley Moss, however, doesn't think that this particular detail matters when it comes to holding Trump criminally liable for the events of January 6, 2021, and he has written a lengthy Twitter thread in which he slams the excuses made for the former president by what he describes as "Trump apology land."
In particular, Moss says the most damning testimony from Hutchinson was about Trump's indifference to the fact that some of his supporters came to his "Stop the Steal" rally armed with weapons.
Trump still encouraged people to march to the Capitol even after learning some of them were armed leaves him legally vulnerable.
"Trump was clear before the speech he wanted to go to the Hill and march with the crowd.! "Staff told him over and over he could not do it and promised the Hill he wouldn't. He told the 1/6 crowd anyway he was going to march with them, and USSS started making preparations to clear a path. Again, this is despite his awareness the crowd was armed, up to and including AR-15s... After the speech, Trump is told they're not marching with the crowd. Trump is pissed. He planned to march."
Scott it, would be reasonable to conclude that Trump at least wanted to have the threat of violence as a tool to intimidate Congress out of certifying the 2020 election results. That alone is a crime
It was a failed coup
More from Trende (who is not a Trump fan, btw)
On hearsay: First, it doesn't matter for right now, because this isn't a trial. At the same time, the hearsay rule isn't just some legal mumbo-jumbo, it's rooted in the common sense notion that you're more skeptical of evidence offered second- or third-hand.
But from day one you went into denial about the insurrection, and since then you have gotten worse than before.
Well a smart well reasoned person would be more skeptical of evidence offered second or third hand...
But not someone sick with TDS...
They would gladly accept fourth had information in dispute if it told them the story they wanted to hear.
In particular, Moss says the most damning testimony from Hutchinson was about Trump's indifference to the fact that some of his supporters came to his "Stop the Steal" rally armed with weapons.
Well interestingly enough... there really wasn't much for "weapons" at the rally unless you actually demand that a flagpole holding an American flag, a helmet, or a flak jacket was a weapon.
Very few people were arrested for guns and at this point there is no evidence that anyone entered the Capitol building armed with a gun.
So the "facts" weigh down the allegations... which I am still not sure has anything to do with anything. Obviously Nancy Pelosi, AOC, and the rest of the Democrats are ALWAYS indifferent to the fact that Antifa/BLM rioters are armed... and it doesn't stop them from literally setting up funds to bail them out of jail.
Being indifferent to the fact that people might be dangerous is not a crime and if it was you would have to start with Kamala Harris who personally was involved in funding the bail money for Antifa rioters (some charged with assaulting police).
So... sorry Roger...
No "yeah but" here.
If the story about Trump "assaulting" a Secret Service agent (which was the big topic yesterday) if fake... then here entire testimony is damaged beyond repair and nothing else matters.
Bidenomics has failed Americans at a greater rate then first reported.
domestic product revision (SAAR) Q1 -1.6%
Roger go clean your face. All that raw egg looks stupid on you against your yellow teeth you stupid ass.
Trump was willing to turn off the machines that revealed which people had weapons and allow them onto the ellipse because he knew they were not wanting to use their weapons to harm him. IOW, he was willing to have those armed individuals on the ellipse with him to listen to a speech in which he was planning to encourage them to go armed to the Capitol and fight like hell to take back their country.
No, the story about Trump putting his hand on the steering wheel and then angrily grappling with the agent who told him to take his hand away is by no means the big story of the day. What I just said above is far bigger.
Q. By the Host
C.H. TruthJune 29, 2022 at 10:46 AM
So just so we are clear here Roger.
A story was told by someone who wasn't there and could not be a witness in any real hearing or trial.
The story is flat out denied by those involved and they are willing to testify under oath that the story is a hoax
But you still believe it is a game changer?
Explain to me how that is not insane
ANSWER : crickets
Also very big was his telling numerous DOJ officials to just lie that the election was fraudulent and then he and his minions would take care of the rest.
This is funny 😁
Coup leaders usually fail visibly, definitively, unambiguously. You don’t need committees to verify who led a coup when the plotters declare their seditious intent, as Hitler did in the beer hall, by punctuating it with a gunshot into the ceiling. I hope it does not sound like I am diminishing the gravity of January 6 when I say that it was among the dumbest coup attempts in history—not because it was destined to fail but because of the trivial reason it was destined to fail. That reason is Trump’s incredible laziness and complete aversion to personal risk. I struggle to think of another putsch that was doomed in quite this way. A whole party prostrated itself before its leader. Lawyers confected idiotic, barely-even-trying justifications. And thousands of people stood ready in the streets to escalate the violence and stop legitimate politics from proceeding. But Trump himself, the one plotter whose vigorous participation was absolutely necessary, seems to have spent most of that day watching TV and ignoring texts.
Bidenomics is far worse the first reported.
"
Gross domestic income revision (SAAR)Q1. 1.8%-
FIRST REPORTED. 2.1%
Trump wanted them to quit screening for weapons and other guns
I'd tell the "pastor " to stop lying but everyone here knows that is his trademark.
And that he is proud to be called "pedo"
Odd traits for a "man of the cloth"
#1" issue to Voters?
Anawer: Economy
Trump was willing to turn off the machines that revealed which people had weapons and allow them onto the ellipse because he knew they were not wanting to use their weapons to harm him. IOW, he was willing to have those armed individuals on the ellipse with him to listen to a speech in which he was planning to encourage them to go armed to the Capitol and fight like hell to take back their country.
Was he?
Or was this more second hand hearsay testimony that would not be allowed in court and would likely not be corroborated with anyone else who was actually present?
Either way... politicians are indifferent to "their side" rioting and with Democrats they seem perfectly willing to tell them to get to the streets, not allow this to stand, show them the repercussions, and everything else they say to incite.
But apparently Harris bailing out people charged with assaulting police is okay because she is black or George Floyd or something...
But the President telling his rally goers to march peacefully is a crime?
Got it Reverend...
Apparently your elevator does not go to the top floor, huh?
James Fucking Daddy
Correct.
James is a proven liar.
His lowest low was blaming his wife for his lies.
Contrary to anony's 11:33, some of the real game changers are as I indicated at 11:26,29, & 33.
James is a big fan of 3rd hand rumor.
He's a pathological liar
Hutchinson told the committee that Trump thought Pence “deserve[d]” to be besieged by a crowd baying for his death, and that Trump wanted to remove metal detectors in the area, because the armed mob was after his enemies, and not him. These details sound like the Trump we have all grown to love and hate (and, frankly, are much more in-character than growling defiantly at his Secret Service agents, like Harrison Ford in Air Force One). This Trump is borderline sociopathic in his indifference to the suffering of others; willing to destroy any norm or institution that inconveniences him; and, in the end, unwilling to shift himself from a seated position except to receive the unconditional devotion of throngs of credulous supporters.
Hutchinson told the committee that Trump thought Pence “deserve[d]” to be besieged by a crowd baying for his death.
Did she get this through a Vulcan mind meld?
Do you believe that any real court of law would allow an assistant to a Presidential aid testify to what the President of the United States "thought"?
Just curious to how far your lack of understanding goes here?
Bidenomics has failed Americans.
We notice.
"Poll: 78% Believe Nation on Wrong Track, Up 27 Points Under Biden"
Has Garland or Wray made any progress with the physical evidence they and their departments have had for years ?
You know Hunter's laptop and his criminal conspiracy with the big guy .
You know, their boss.
Justice Stephen Breyer will retire from the Supreme Court on Thursday after the court hands down its last opinions for this term, he said in a letter sent Wednesday to President Biden.
Driving the news: Breyer said that Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson "is prepared to take the prescribed oaths" to succeed him. It remains unclear when exactly she will be sworn in as the first Black female justice in the court's history.
Breyer announced his retirement back in January, and Jackson was confirmed as his successor in April.The Supreme Court did not immediately respond to Axios' request for comment.
What he's saying: "It has been my great honor to participate as a judge in the effort to maintain our Constitution and the Rule of Law," Breyer said in his letter.
The big picture: The court will issue its last two opinions on Thursday morning.
The rulings will focus on the Environmental Protection Agency's authority over greenhouse gases and on the Trump-era "Migrant Protection Protocols," most commonly known as the "Remain-in-Mexico" policy.
Trump wanted the magnometers turned off in order to allow armed individuals onto the ellipse with him to listen to a speech in which he was planning to encourage them to go to the Capitol and fight like hell to take back their country.
Not hearsay.
Hutchinson told the committee that Trump thought...
So in addition to being a garden variety bullshit artist she's a medium/mind reader?
Really, alky?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/hutchinson-testimony-trump-secret-service-jan-6-hearings/661427/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
She’s Miss Cleo
LOL
At this point there's nothing left to do but laugh at you, alky.
The anti Federalist are back in control
The Supreme Court handed down a brief order Tuesday evening that effectively reinstates racially gerrymandered congressional maps in the state of Louisiana, at least for the 2022 election.
Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave.
The anti Federalist are back in control.
The Supreme Court handed down a brief order Tuesday evening that effectively reinstates racially gerrymandered congressional maps in the state of Louisiana, at least for the 2022 election.
Thomas Jefferson is right in his grave.
Rolling
Not hearsay.
Did she hear this first hand?
Was she (as an assistant to
If not... then it is hearsay!
We already know she was not in the limo - and anything that supposedly happened in that limo is by definition "hearsay". She was an assistant to Meadows and doesn't sound like she was very important one. She was not personally present for 99% of what she was testifying to and we now know that a note she claimed was her own (which would make it more legally compelling - was written by someone else - meaning she is just reading something else as you or I could do - that testimony is useless).
You can "deny" that you understand the meaning of hearsay...
or demand that it doesn't matter to you anyways...
But by all accounts at this point there is nobody from that limo that will corroborate her story and everyone so far has denied it happened... and Secret Service has told the Committee that they are okay with being called to set the record straight.
Lastly.. even Polico was puzzled by why the committee offered no actual compelling corroboration to this testimony when the limo driver and secret serve appear more than willing to cooperate and testify?
Almost... like they didn't want that testimony to be heard?
Trump: 'They're not here to hurt me'
Mr Trump was "furious" on the morning of January 6 in 2021, Ms Hutchinson testified, because he was angry about the extra space taken up by magnetometers screening for weapons before his fiery speech that day.
Protesters were gathering outside the White House to hear Mr Trump at the "Stop the Steal" rally, with some carrying AR-15-style rifles, but he wanted security to stop screening so more people could get in and the crowd would look larger.
Ms Hutchinson, then a top aide to former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, said Mr Trump's words were:
"Take the effing mags (magnetometers) away; they're not here to hurt me."
She testified she had been told by White House security official Tony Ornato that Mr Trump knew the protesters were armed...
After his speech, Mr Trump wanted to join supporters storming the Capitol as Congress voted to certify President Joe Biden's win, demanding his detail drive him there.
She said Mr. Trump tried to grab the steering wheel of the heavily armoured presidential vehicle, after he'd said:
"'I'm the effing president. Take me up to the Capitol now."
When the head of his security detail Bobby Engel told him that wasn't happening, she said:
"The president had very strong, very angry response to that. Tony described him as being irate," she testified.
After Mr Trump had tried to grab the steering wheel and failed she said he "lunged" at Mr Engel.
"When Mr Ornato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicle (collarbone)," she said.
She said the confrontation was relayed to her later that day by Mr Ornato in an office, while Mr Engel was there.
It can lead to direct evidence.
But you can't reply it 😕
Excuse me. I should have said,
"Not mere hearsay."
See above. Apparently this was related to her by Ornato and Engel, who were both there.
This is why I have strongly supported Sleepy Joe Biden from day one
MADRID—The U.S. will make its biggest military expansion in Europe since the Cold War, including its first permanent troop presence in Poland, as NATO prepares for two more members to join the alliance in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
The announcement, which follows a NATO pledge this week to increase its high-readiness forces sevenfold, comes despite Washington’s efforts to shift U.S. attention toward China and offers fresh evidence how Russia’s war is upending international security.
“We’re stepping up. We’re proving that NATO is more needed now than it ever has been,” President Biden said Wednesday at the opening of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization summit.
We will have over 100,000 troops in Europe
The U.S., in its plan announced Wednesday, will add to the 100,000 troops it now has in Europe and deploy more military equipment to NATO allies. The additions include rotational deployments to Romania and the Baltic region, and a permanent Army headquarters base and other units in Poland, the White House said. Until now, the U.S. and other allies have only rotated troops in and out of NATO countries once under Soviet domination, not permanently located them there.
Have either of them disputed this?
Reverend...
You are now exhibiting signs of cognitive dissonance as well as extreme confirmation bias.
- You are literally arguing that second hand information is not "hearsay" as if you actually do not understand the concept.
- You are refusing to even acknowledge that Secret Service is denying pretty much everything that she said happened in the limo.
- You are ignoring that someone else penned the letter that she read from as if it was her own - which committee members are now stipulating.
- You continue to disregard the knowledge that there is no corroboration of her story (only people willing to contradict) and still repeating it as fact in spite of this.
Not that you are alone... Roger is right there with you.
Welcome to being gaslighted!
So, just to be technical, I should have said that Cassidy's testimoney is not MERE hearsay.
You can "deny" that you understand the meaning of hearsay...
or demand that it doesn't matter to you anyways...
But by all accounts at this point there is nobody from that limo that will corroborate her story and everyone so far has denied it happened... and Secret Service has told the Committee that they are okay with being called to set the record straight.
Lastly.. even Polico was puzzled by why the committee offered no actual compelling corroboration to this testimony when the limo driver and secret serve appear more than willing to cooperate and testify?
Almost... like they didn't want that testimony to be heard?
You forgot the "pastor" is a pathological liar
testimony
Have Ornato or Engel denied this happened?
As well as an idiot
MADRID—The U.S. will make its biggest military expansion in Europe since the Cold War, including its first permanent troop presence in Poland, as NATO prepares for two more members to join the alliance in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
Considering the fact that US Armed Services recruitment is a fucking shambles, this won't last long or end well.
100,000 Corporal Klinger's. LOL.
I should have said that her testimony is not MERE hearsay.
Have either Ornato or Engle disputed what she said. They were there, experiencing Trump's wrath.
I should have said that her testimony is not MERE hearsay.
Have either Ornato or Engle disputed what she said. They were there, experiencing Trump's wrath.
You lost that one, Ch.
I should have said that her testimony is not MERE hearsay.
Have either Ornato or Engle disputed what she said. They were there, experiencing Trump's wrath.
You lost that one, Ch.
Not sure what you are even implying Reverend...
Apparently this was related to her by Ornato and Engel, who were both there.
That is the definition of hearsay, Reverend...
and either way... if the Secret Service and limo driver himself are denying the story (which they are) it doesn't matter who else is peddling the nonsense.
But it begs an interesting question?
Why was the only person to testify the one providing hearsay?
Because as Sean Trende (and others have pointed out) she can "repeat" a story that is patently untrue and that doesn't' mean she is lying if she is just "repeating" it. But if someone testifies who "knows it is not true" - Then they are guilty of perjury.
So
They did not call Secret Service because they would have denied
Instead the call someone insulated from legal issues if they tell the story.
Have either Ornato or Engle disputed what she said. They were there, experiencing Trump's wrath.
Yes both have said her testimony was false and want to testify as such
And he wants to testify
Scott, she was in the room.
When Richard Nixon was facing impeachment and he went crazy. It is not unusual for a man who is under pressure can lose his mind.
The evidence from a conservative Trump supporter is very credible.
His behavior after he lost the election got worse than before.
PTSD is probably what happened, and because of that he should never be the Commander in Chief
Reverend...
Why would the Secret Service Agents who were there be telling everyone and their brother that the story is untrue and that they are willing to testify...
Because that has been confirmed by almost every news outlet at this point?
Sorry, I knew Ornato had said so but on confirming saw both want to go on the record 5o dispute her as direct witnesses
She said the confrontation was relayed to her later that day by Mr Ornato in an office, while Mr Engel was there.
To
She said the confrontation was relayed to her later that day by Mr Ornato in an office, while Mr Engel was there.
________
And neither denied it then?
James, his own words show a mental illness.
Reverend...
You are now exhibiting signs of cognitive dissonance as well as extreme confirmation bias.
Any one who thinks differently is not insane but he thinks they are crazy
IED symptoms are getting worse than before.
Scott, she was in the room.
She was in a "different" room, Roger.
She was not in the limo with Trump.
She did not pen the letter she claimed she did.
She was repeating what others told her.
Just because you deny this - doesn't change that it is true.
At this point it is futile to try and educate the uneducated TDS morons
No wonder they are so easily led astray
Ornato and Engle were not in the limo?
Roger and James need to be sharing a room
And not for sex
a mighty knee slapping lol lol lol lol lol lol is in order here
Reverend...
In any court of law of any sort anywhere...
if you are making a direct claim and you have the first hand account from a party that is ready and willing to testify... then you call that party to the stand.
Why does a committee ignore the Secret Service agents with first hand knowledge, who are on record as saying they have been cooperating and were willing to testify and still willing to testify....
And instead place someone on the stand to give hearsay?
Please explain why that makes any sense to you?
Careful "pastor", Roger wants quiet.
Bunkies matter
Ornato and Engle were not in the limo?
A mighty knee slappig lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol is in order here.
slapping
slapping
slapping
She was in a "different" room, Roger.
She was not in the limo with Trump.
She did not pen the letter she claimed she did.
She was repeating what others told her.
Just because you deny this - doesn't change that it is true.
Let's call it what it REALLY IS.
She lied. She lied several times.
She lied several times under oath, complete with the knowledge that she was free to do so because she was taking the side of the kangaroo court jesters who would never hold her accountable.
What matters here is - Does the DOJ act on all this nonsense? Considering the fact that it IS all bullshit and leftist masturbatory theatre meant to distract from the epic failure that is FJB, I don't think they do. Their chance of failure is simply too high. Losing to Trump AGAIN is an ultimate humiliation.
The president sincerely believed he had been robbed of the election. His efforts to reverse the outcome were the result of self propaganda. Newsmax etc like here too.
Ornato and Engle were not in the limo?
Why were they not called?
and why is the Secret Service saying that the agents in the limo are willing to testify UNDER OATH that the story is untrue?
Not to mention... that the design of the "beast" as pointed out by many make the allegations pretty much physically impossible. This is a limo with seats facing each other and a partition between the driver and the back.
Even if the partition was open, the distance from the back to the steering wheel would have meant that Trump would have had to be lying across the backs of rear racing back seat and the drivers seat (horizontally) while stretching out to grab a steering wheel and assault a secret service agent.
it would be physically impossible.
I am being censored again.
There is no partiction in the smaller armored vehicle that GTrump was in that day.
But keep trying.
Reverend...
You can argue till you are blue in the face.
But the reality remains... this was hearsay evidence and would never be allowed and Garland could not use it for any purpose to secure any sort of charges against Trump.
The fact that the actual secret service agents were not called...
Is on the committee... not me.
They chose not to provide a first hand account.
Anyone with any degree of objectively knows why they didn't call them.
Because it would not have told the story they wanted to tell you and Roger.
They need to keep you all riled up.
It's all they have!
No one is censoring you, you stupid pedophile
She was not inside the vehiceele. But that doesn't mean that she was lying.
Other people said that..
But you try to use it to discredit her direct evidence what she heard in the room with Trump.
But keep trying
.
vNo one is censoring you, you stupid pedophile
Well we all know that him typing "slapping" five or six times in a row is such a compelling argument that we must censor it!
I say him accuse me of censoring him while i was likely still in bed here on the west coast. As if I sit around 24-7 seeing if I can censor the Reverend!
She was not inside the vehiceele. But that doesn't mean that she was lying.
Go read what Sean Trende stated about it Roger...
You seem to believe he is credible? Plus he is no fan of Trump.
He will explain it in great detail... but at the end of the day he is smart enough (even as a Trump critic) to know what this story is likely bullshit and that it will be used (as Trende stated) fairly or unfairly to discredit her.
But he will suggest that she is not lying (just passing along what is likely bad information - a game of telephone so to speak). She got much of what she said from people who got it from others... some of it is hearsay and some of it is actually double hearsay.
None of that makes it a court when the first hand witnesses exist and are willing to testify.
You don't believe her despite she was in the room because according to Hutchinson. “Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol from here. Let the people in. Take the fucking mags [magnetometers] away.” it makes him look bad
Her testimony strikes most people as entirely credible and her past reputation as a team player is good,
else she would not have been so close to the Oval Office.
Everybody is a liar but Trump?
That's not going to fly.
LOL. Too obvious?
If questioner (Cheney) wants to appear fair to jury (American people), it probably is not a good idea to get caught on camera hugging the witness…see below from @Politico; already people have very strong feelings - both ways - about this hearing and pics like this don’t help;
https://twitter.com/greta/status/1542124333912424449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1542124333912424449%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fdougp-3137%2F2022%2F06%2F29%2Fgreta-van-susteren-shares-pic-of-rep-liz-cheney-after-j6-hearing-that-might-not-be-a-good-idea-if-she-wants-to-appear-fair%2F
A couple hours ago
A spokesman for Attorney General Merrick B. Garland declined to comment on Ms. Hutchinson’s testimony — although one of Mr. Garland’s predecessors did weigh in.
“The department is clearly looking into all this, and this hearing definitely gave investigators a lot to chew on,” said William P. Barr, who resigned as attorney general under Mr. Trump after saying publicly weeks after Election Day that there was no evidence of fraud widespread enough to have changed the race’s outcome.
The bottom line is the fraudulent electoral votes are illegal.
C.H. TruthJune 29, 2022 at 12:35 PM
Ornato and Engle were not in the limo?
Why were they not called?
and why is the Secret Service saying that the agents in the limo are willing to testify UNDER OATH that the story is untrue?
The mental midgets here are not even aware of the basic facts and foundations.
Nor vanilla logic
Yet they endlessly repeat tripe
As they try and take America over the cliff with the Biden Crime Family
Perhaps incapable of understanding
Everybody is a liar but Trump?
That's not going to fly.
Did you miss the part where Engle and the Driver are stating it didn't happen and are willing to testify to the Committee?
Or are you just ignoring it due to cognitive dissonance?
Justice Stephen Breyer Will Retire on Thursday
June 29, 2022 at 12:25 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 130 Comments
“Liberal U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer will officially retire on Thursday, paving the way for President Joe Biden’s appointee Ketanji Brown Jackson to be sworn in to the lifetime position to replace him,” Reuters reports.
Cheney Calls on Trump Counsel to Testify
June 29, 2022 at 12:16 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 62 Comments
“Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) reinvigorated her call for former Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone to testify before the House Jan. 6 committee in the wake of damning testimony from former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson,” NBC News reports.
“Cheney, the panel’s vice chair, said Hutchinson’s remarks about Cipollone being concerned about former President Donald Trump’s plans on Jan. 6 shows it’s important to hear directly from him.”
WANT SOME HUMOR?
Election Denier Loses Her Election and Denies She Lost
June 29, 2022 at 12:14 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 84 Comments
Daily Beast:
“Tina Peters, the Colorado county clerk who flogged election conspiracy theories and was then indicted for allegedly breaching her own voting machines, lost her primary bid to become the secretary of state.
“And then she did exactly what you would expect:
She denied she lost,
cried fraud,
and vowed to keep fighting.”
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How VERY Trump-like!
Apparently Roger and the Reverend believe....
Trump is lying.
Engle is lying.
The driver is lying.
and the second hand story told by a low level "aid" to Mark Meadows is the only one who knows and is willing to tell the actual true story.
You cannot make that up!
Give us a link to their actual denials in their own words, Ch.
And they're not under oath. She was.
And what about Onato?
Hearsay Is Complicated
Hearsay isn’t the easiest legal concept to describe or understand. Technically, it’s an out-of-court statement offered as proof that the matter asserted is true (as opposed to the mere existence of the statement itself). The core issue is trustworthiness: an in-court statement relevant to litigation and made by someone who is speaking under oath is considered to be more trustworthy than a statement uttered outside of court and thus not subject to the pains and penalties of perjury. Consequently, the “hearsay rule” is one that generally excludes legally untrustworthy statements — but not all out-of-court statements — from being offered as evidence.
“Hearsay rules are meant to ferret out evidence that is more reliable,” attorney Michael Harwin, a former federal prosecutor now in private practice, explained to .
Under federal hearsay rules, the most reliable statements are normally those made in court and after someone has been sworn to testify truthfully under oath. Testimony that refers to statements that were not made under oath could be considered less reliable, Harwin explained.
Accordingly, there are exemptions (things that the rules say are simply “not hearsay“) and exceptions (other carve-outs) in the federal rules of evidence, Harwin told Law&Crime. Regardless of the moniker applied, the courts who analyze these issues day-in and day-out under the aforementioned rules generally look for an indicia of trustworthiness in an out-of-court statement in order for a fact-finder (a judge or a jury) to consider it.
Law&Crime.com
Give us a link to their actual denials in their exact wording, Ch.
Are you not reading anything anywhere? Every news outlet is reporting that the Secret Service is denying this.
Either way, Reverend.
Please give us a direct quote from Engle or the Driver where THEY claim it happened?
Since it is YOUR allegation not mine.
Two can play at this game...
The burden is on the accuser or not the accused. Trump is innocent until proven guilty and hearsay proves nothing. So right now... unless you can provide a first hand quote from anyone within that limo...
You got nothing but what the little boy shot at and missed.
What is more...
and it seems to go completely over your head.
The commission COULD HAVE CALLED ENGLE OR THE DRIVER
BUT CHOSE NOT TO!!!!
Why do you suppose they didn't call the people who were there Reverend?
Wouldn't that have put much of this to rest if they were to have confirmed this?
C.H. TruthJune 29, 2022 at 1:11 PM
Apparently Roger and the Reverend believe....
Trump is lying.
Engle is lying.
The driver is lying.
and the second hand story told by a low level "aid" to Mark Meadows is the only one who knows and is willing to tell the actual true story.
You cannot make that up
Looks like james is incapable of finding anything out for himself.
Just whatever his savior Goddard feeds him
Continuously
And tone deaf to his idiocy
The cowardly host censored me on this site
https://lawandcrime.com/jan-6-committee/house-judiciary-gop-claimed-mark-meadows-aides-blockbuster-testimony-was-literally-all-hearsay-evidence-the-truth-is-more-complicated/
rrbJune 29, 2022 at 11:54 AM
At this point there's nothing left to do but laugh at you, alky."
Ibid.
You made the statement that they deny it happened. I have not seen any place where their direct denials in their own words are provided. Be so nice as to provide that.
It's only hearsay until you do that.
Hearsay Is Complicated
Can be...
But not when you have both first and second hand witnesses.
If someone is there, that witness will provide the testimony.
Never would a Judge accept hearsay over first hand accounts.
In this case, there are first hand witnesses in existence who by all accounts are willing to cooperate and testify. That makes any hearsay testimony moot.
"It could lead to direct evidence " Alky
It has , the actual Secret Service Officer called it out a BullShit.
Roger Amick uncensored
My last request is not complicated.
As the top aide for former President Donald Trump’s ex-chief of staff delivered a blow-by-blow account Tuesday of her version of conversations with others in the then-president’s inner circle in the lead-up to Jan. 6, 2021, the official Twitter account for Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee launched a partially specious counterattack.
“It’s literally all hearsay evidence,” tweeted @JudiciaryGOP, a committee whose Republican members are led by Trump loyalist Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio. “What a joke.”
Jordan refused earlier this year to cooperate with the Jan. 6 Committee, and the House Judiciary Republicans whom he leads largely misstated and oversimplified the Federal Rules of Evidence — the rules with which the lawmakers overseeing the courts should be familiar.
Hearsay Is Complicated
Hearsay isn’t the easiest legal concept to describe or understand. Technically, it’s an out-of-court statement offered as proof that the matter asserted is true (as opposed to the mere existence of the statement itself). The core issue is trustworthiness: an in-court statement relevant to litigation and made by someone who is speaking under oath is considered to be more trustworthy than a statement uttered outside of court and thus not subject to the pains and penalties of perjury. Consequently, the “hearsay rule” is one that generally excludes legally untrustworthy statements — but not all out-of-court statements — from being offered as evidence.
Sorry Reverend...
For someone who goes around repeating Politico/WaPo/NYT stories based on anonymous sources... iI find if amusing that you refuse to believe reports from multiple major network reporters who are NAMING THEIR SOURCE AS ENGLE - and that ENGLE is willing to testify.
Can you explain why the hypocrisy here?
Why are anonymous Politico source always to be believed...
But we are supposed to ignore this story when the source is named and the actual most relevant source to the story?
I mean seriously...
Do you still actually believe this nonsense?
Intentional Data Dump.*
"
California Department of Justice (DOJ) data *Monday revealed names, addresses, ages, and other information related to the state’s concealed carry permit holders.
The "pastor" is a quack
And a fraud
Well Reverend...
Let's get Engle and the driver on the stand ASAP!
Can you provide one reason why the commission doesn't call them?
Any reason whatsoever?
They can certainly subpoena them if everyone in the media is wrong and they are not willing.
" I mean seriously...
Do you still actually believe this nonsense?"CHT
We know he does.
* and Fucking nuts
C.H. TruthJune 29, 2022 at 1:35 PM
Well Reverend...
Let's get Engle and the driver on the stand ASAP!
Can you provide one reason why the commission doesn't call them?
Any reason whatsoever?
Same reason they don't release all the uncut and unedited video
And everything else
Show trial
Banana Republic
1984
Where are their denials, Ch?
Can't provide them?
Actually I don't believe either Roger or Reverend "truly" believe the story. It is horribly farfetched to begin with and if any President had actually assaulted a Secret Service agent we would have heard about long before now... and it would not come from a hearsay account from some aid to Meadows who was nowhere near the scene.
I do believe that they "believed" it at the time they heard it.
Yesterday.
Because it's exactly the sort of thing that they believe.
But I cannot imagine that the denials from Secret Service doesn't' resonate with them. But in classic form, they will never admit to being wrong and the same idiots who will spam threads all day long from anonymous sourced stories they find from Political Wire will now say that we need "more proof" than just a reporter confirming something before they will accept it.
The Reverend is like a child. He falls down into arguing semantics, answering every question with a question... and it is just a matter of time before he attacks spelling or grammar.
That's when you know he knows he lost the basics of an argument but is hoping to feel like he won something.
You will believe what we want you to believe
Ministry of Truth
Hutchinson said she learned of the episode from Tony Ornato, Trump’s deputy chief of staff, and Robert Engel, the special agent in charge for Secret Service on Jan. 6.
Hutchinson said she learned of the episode from Tony Ornato, Trump’s deputy chief of staff, and Robert Engel, the special agent in charge for Secret Service on Jan. 6.
Secret Service Denies Trump Attacked Them, Grabbed Steering Wheel
The U.S. Secret Service says it'll cooperate with the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, after a former White House aide on Tuesday claimed she'd heard that Donald Trump lunged at a driver inside a presidential car and demanded that he be taken to the Capitol.
According to reports, agents are prepared to go before Congress to flatly contradict the aide's story of an enraged Trump determined to get to the Capitol as a security breach was taking place there.
NBC News chief White House correspondent Peter Alexander tweeted on Tuesday night that two Secret Service staffers are set to testify that Trump neither lunged at the wheel of the presidential vehicle, nicknamed "The Beast," nor in any way assaulted them in a bid to get them to take him to the Capitol.
The Reverend will not believe the NBC New Chief White House correspondent...
But he will take Goddard and those anonymous sources at their word every time!
I wonder if he has any evidence that Alexander is lying?
Or is he just accusing Alexander or lying with no real good reason?
Reverend...
Are you accusing Alexander of lying?
If so... what basis of fact do you have that proves he is lying?
Roger we know that and it has been repeated here infinitum
Can't you grasp that the people she says she got it from deny all she claims?
Are you that far gone ?
Trump Would Love the Reality-Show Flair of the Jan. 6 Hearings if He Weren't the Target
But there’s a corollary to that TV mindset: ownership of the control room isn’t permanent, and the next production team can reframe, recast, and reshoot. And that’s precisely what the panel investigating the Jan. 6 crisis did on Tuesday with the shocking testimony from Cassidy Hutchinson. The former senior aide to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows calmly and credibly described the events unfolding in Trump’s orbit that day and in the days leading up to it. With a high level of detail and precision, Hutchinson made clear that Trump seemed to know the crowd gathered for his fabulist speech about election fraud and anti-democratic notions was armed, that he wanted desperately to lead the group to the Capitol, that he was not heeding the advice of his overwhelmed senior aides. The audience also now knows that Trump’s allies appear to be completely comfortable tampering with witnesses.
Just like you ❤️ Scott
CHT you need to create an insane asylum blog for Roger and James.
Exclusively
They obviously are incapable of doing it on their own
Though they are trying to here
More to the point...
According to Politico
Engle and the Limo driver were both interviewed by the commission previously about these events. The Secret Service said they were not informed about this Hutchinson testimony before it happened and were not asked for any clarification for what they (secret service) are suggesting was new allegations.
They had previously discussed whether or not Trump wanted to be redirected to the Capital but there was nothing in their original testimony that pointed to any physical altercations with the President.
So the Jan 6th commission already has testimony from these witnesses...
Didn't notify them or ask them about these new allegations (which apparently were not provided previously by the secret service witnesses)...
and have not been asked to appear again to clarify any of this.
hmmmmmm...
Had they already had this testimony from the secret service about a physical altercation that would have been made available on Prime time during their first hearing.
Hutchinson used the word "lunged;" she did not use the word "assault."
________
Trump ‘Lunged’ at Secret Service Agent Who Refused to Take Him to Capitol: Jan. 6 Hearing
“I’m the f-ing president, take me to the Capitol now,” the former president said, according to former Mark Meadows aide Cassidy Hutchinson
By NIKKI MCCANN RAMIREZ
In bombshell testimony to the Jan. 6 committee, former Mark Meadows aide Cassidy Hutchinson testified that on Jan. 6 an irate President Trump railed against aides and Secret Service officers who refused to transport him to the Capitol, allegedly yelling, “I’m the f-ing president, take me to the Capitol now,” and attempting to grab the steering wheel of the presidential limousine as it left the rally at the Ellipse.
“The president reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel,” Hutchinson testified. “Mr. Engel grabbed his arm and said, ‘Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. We’re going back to the West Wing. We’re not going to the Capitol.’ Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge toward Bobby Engel. When Mr. Ornato had recounted this story to me he had motioned toward his clavicles.”
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I believe she related this as being told to her by Ornato with Engel in the room who did not object to what was described to her.
So we have democrats willing to accept accusations with no evidence or witness if it's against Trump.
Yet those same democrats have actual hard evidence of corruption by the Biden and they whistle past the jailhouse.
This is another reason so many democrats are switching to republican.
Biden has lost.
"60% of Americans say people can't switch genders, up from years past: pollNumber of Americans who say gender determined by sex assigned at birth up from 56% in 2021, Pew Research says"
So the air is quickly deflating from this latest RUSH EMERGENCY NEW BOMBSHELL testimony.
As they say the mustard has come off the hot dog
Or in this case the ketchup
This is way past stale
Die already
James fun to watch you lie .
Or are the new lies your wifes faught?
Red State ♥️
We’ve reached the point where I can only assume Cheney is a psychopath. Nothing matters but destroying Trump, and she doesn’t care how many ethical walls she has to bust through like the Kool-aid man to accomplish that.
It’s very uncomfortable to witness, not just because Cheney and company are terrible people, but because Congress is being abused in a way that will have profoundly negative consequences long after these hearings are finally shuttered. I don’t know how the House comes back from this as far as credibility goes.
The "bombshell" is actually a landmine which the Socialist Democrats stomped on.
TRANSCRIPT:
LIZ CHENEY: As we've all just heard, in the days leading up to January 6th, on the day of the speech, both before and during and after the rally speech, President Trump was pushing his staff to arrange for him to come up here to the Capitol during the electoral vote count. Let's turn now to what happened in the president's vehicle when the Secret Service told him he would not be going to the Capitol after his speech. First, here is the president's motorcade leaving the Ellipse after his speech on January 6th. Ms. Hutchinson, when you returned to the White House in the motorcade after the president's speech, where did you go?
CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: When I returned to the White House, I walked upstairs towards the chief of staff's office, and I noticed Mr. Ornato lingering outside of the office. Once we had made eye contact, he quickly waved me to go into his office, which was just across the hall from mine. When I went in, he shut the door, and I noticed Bobby Engel, who was the head of Mr. Trump's security detail, sitting in a chair, just looking somewhat discombobulated and a little lost.
I looked at Tony and he had said, did you f'ing hear what happened in the beast? I said, no, Tony, I — I just got back. What happened? Tony proceeded to tell me that when the president got in the beast, he was under the impression from Mr. Meadows that the off the record movement to the Capitol was still possible and likely to happen, but that Bobby had more information.
So, once the president had gotten into the vehicle with Bobby, he thought that they were going up to the Capitol. And when Bobby had relayed to him we're not, we don't have the assets to do it, it's not secure, we're going back to the West Wing, the president had a very strong, a very angry response to that.
Tony described him as being irate. The president said something to the effect of I'm the f'ing president, take me up to the Capitol now, to which Bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the West Wing. The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel.
We're going back to the West Wing. We're not going to the Capitol. Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel. And Mr. — when Mr. Ornato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicles.
LIZ CHENEY: And was Mr. Engel in the room as Mr. Ornato told you this story?
CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: He was.
LIZ CHENEY: Did Mr. Engel correct or disagree with any part of this story from Mr. Ornato?
CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: Mr. Engel did not correct or disagree with any part of the story.
LIZ CHENEY: Did Mr. Engel or Mr. Ornato ever after that tell you that what Mr. Ornato had just said was untrue?
CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: Neither Mr. Ornato nor Mr. Engel told me ever that it was untrue.
Yawn
James and Roger are not normal.
No one should hate as much as they do.
Even Oklahoma is not insane.
Despite a history of winning statewide contests and a star turn in the Trump administration, former Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt badly lost his bid for a political comeback in his home state on Tuesday, coming in a distant fifth place in the Republican primary to replace retiring Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.).
The desperation of the right with their constant projecting that the hearings are a hoax are fracturing right in front of us as more and more voters are seeing the hoax to be trump and his spineless minions as the winds are shifting to be a GOP headwind as the latest primaries showed last night.....Keep digging slurpers especially you LIl Schitty who did not know the beast had a retractible window only operated by the POTUS in the beast before piling on and acting like a pedantic wizard just before having a 2x4 inserted!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Now that you've seen the transcript,
point out specifically where I lied.
Curious Reverend...
If this actually happened...
Why did they just not interview the Secret Service agents... Who had previously testified and are still willing to testify again?
Why would they rely on hearsay?
I mean... you seem stubbornly daft to the reality here.
Despite the problem with the driver assault allegations.
Most observers thought the case for Trump facing felony charges increased after Tuesday’s hearing – particularly regarding Hutchinson’s testimony that Trump knew the crowd he sent to the Capitol was armed. Cheney’s disclosure that the committee believes Trump has tried to intimidate witnesses – including Hutchinson, according to Punchbowl News – also excited comment about possible charges
‘Things might get real, real bad’: key takeaways from latest January 6 hearing
Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor, said the new evidence against Trump was “devastating for inciting, aiding and abetting violent insurrection"
He should be prosecuted for at least three charges.
If the next few weeks we will see even more than you can imagine.
Can you imagine how nuts the these 2 become if SCORUS sides with WV over the EPA
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Maybe they figured they'd just deny it?
Or maybe they just wanted to hit them with a surprise?
But you still haven't provided a transcript of either of them denying that this happened in their own actual words.
2:51:
If fair were fair, a lot of people would end up unable to hold future office.
Re 2:51
If fair were fair, a lot of people could end up unable to hold future office.
Why did they just not interview the Secret Service agents...
BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! What makes you think they haven't contacted them?????? Me thinks Lil Schitty is very concerned after Donnie Trumps God awful day yesterday!!!!
Are you saying that the Secret Service people are lying?
Because it certainly sounds like it?
What evidence do you have to accuse the Secret Service agents with lying.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! What makes you think they haven't contacted them??
They have already interviewed them.
Quite some time ago.
The Secret Service agents (both the lead and the driver) gave their accounts of the situation in earlier interviews with the committee...
Neither of them suggested that Trump tried to grab the wheel or lunged at them.
But what do they know?
They were just there.
Anonymous Caliphate4vr said...
Can you imagine how nuts the these 2 become if SCORUS sides with WV over the EPA
BIGLY.
And it needs to happen too. The EPA deserves to be abolished, but if we have to have it, let's gut it.
The Press Release just out show that The Secret Service is having none of the B.S. ciming out of the JanClowncar.
"Anonymous Caliphate4vr said...
Can you imagine how nuts the these 2 become if SCORUS sides with WV over the EPA"
Thier heads will explode just in time for The 4th of July Celebrations.
The Jan. 6 committee didn’t reach out to the Secret Service in the days before it aired explosive testimony about an alleged physical altercation between Donald Trump and his security detail on the day of the riot, according to an agency spokesperson.
In a blockbuster Tuesday hearing, former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson described being told that the “irate” then-president was so furious agents wouldn’t drive him to the Capitol on Jan. 6 that he “lunge[d]” toward the head of his detail.
Anthony Guglielmi, the service’s chief of communications, told POLITICO that select committee investigators did not ask Secret Service personnel to reappear or answer questions in writing in the 10 days before asking Hutchinson about the matter at the hearing.
“[W]e were not asked to reappear before the Committee in response to yesterday’s new information and we plan on formally responding on the record,” he wrote in an email. “We have and will continue to make any member of the Secret Service available.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/29/jan-6-hutchinson-secret-service-00043164
The USS Biden is sinking .
Dropping in the Polls. Post Roe.
"RCP Average. 6/12 - 6/28. 38.0.
Negative a -19.5
Meanwhile, back to shit that really matters -
The U.S. economy shrank at a 1.6 percent annual pace, the government said Wednesday, as inflation weighed on consumer spending.
This is the government’s third and final estimate of the path the economy took in the first three months of the year. The government’s first estimate had the economy shrinking 1.4 percent and the second estimate was a contraction of 1.5 percent. This was the first time the economy registered a negative rate of growth since early in 2020 when the pandemic and lockdowns took hold.
Consumer spending—the chief engine of U.S. economic growth—was much weaker than previously thought, suggesting that inflation was already weighing down the economy and raising the risks of a recession. Consumer spending was revised down from an estimated 3.1 increase to smaller increase of 1.8 percent.
Data showed consumers cut spending on goods such as food, clothing, and home furniture after adjusting for inflation.
The trade deficit soared in the first quarter and was largely responsible for dragging GDP into negative territory.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2022/06/29/even-worse-economy-shrank-1-6-as-inflation-battered-consumers-in-first-quarter/
Poll: 78% Believe Nation on Wrong Track, Up 27 Points Under Biden
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/29/poll-78-believe-nation-on-wrong-track-up-27-points-under-biden/
June 29, 2022
Americans remain deeply pessimistic about the state of the country and the economy. A view that is reflected in President Joe Biden’s approval rating, which continues to hover around 39%. About 9 in 10 Republicans disapprove, along with nearly three in 10 Democrats.
The national dissatisfaction is bipartisan. Most Americans, 85%, say the country is headed in the wrong direction. A majority of Republicans have been unhappy with the direction of the country since Biden’s election. Democrats had been positive about how things were going, but now 78% say the country is headed in the wrong direction.
https://apnorc.org/projects/bipartisan-dissatisfaction-with-the-direction-of-the-country-and-the-economy/
Fox News flips on Donald Trump during Jan. 6 hearings
Jon Skolnik, Salon
June 29, 2022
After spending more than a year promoting Donald Trump's baseless claims of election fraud, Fox News appears to be changing its tune as the January 6 committee presents increasingly damning evidence of the former president's complicity in the Capitol riot.
As the committee probe has gone public, at least four Fox News hosts and one analyst have casted doubt over Trump's grandiose claims of fraud, for which there continues to be no evidence to speak of. Some have also questioned the former president's mental fitness, suggesting that Trump cannot be trusted to steer the country in 2024 after spreading such spurious conspiracy theories about 2020.
One such instance played out just last month, when Fox News guest host Sandra Smith, an apparent skeptic of Trump's claims from the start, engaged in a fiery exchange with Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Ala., over the former president's legal failure to prove that he won in any states he lost.
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"The courts are not the final arbiter of who wins federal election contests," Brooks told Smith, citing the film "2000 Mules," which bandies unsubstantiated claims that unnamed Democratic-aligned nonprofits engaged in a coordinated attempt to subvert the election.
"And that [film] has been looked at and fact-checked by multiple outlets, including Reuters, who have [reported] there isn't any proof that there was widespread voter fraud," Smith rebutted.
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Roughly a week later, Fox News host Martha MacCallum, who at one point called the Capitol riot "a huge victory," echoed Smith's rhetoric, arguing that there was a "stunning" lack of evidence to support allegations of widespread fraud.
"The lack of evidence is the huge stunning clear moment here where these people are saying, 'Look I supported you, please give me something to work with,' and it simply doesn't materialize," MacCallum said, speaking of the select committee's fourth public hearing.
RELATED: Fox News host left shocked by Jan. 6 hearing: "Stunning" lack of evidence for Trump's fraud claims
This week, Fox News host Brett Baier, one of the network's noted critics of Trump, also joined the chorus, arguing with a pro-Trump gubernatorial candidate that no evidence of fraud has emerged.
"I understand what you are saying," Baier told the MAGA-backed Kari Lake, who is running to unseat Arizona Republican Gov. Doug Ducey. "But there have been, as you know, more than 70 court cases where there was not evidence and there was not any state legislature or governor that failed to certify an election, including your own Republican Doug Ducey."
Meanwhile, other Fox News personalities have expressed concerns about Trump's mental facilities.
"Fox and Friends" host Brian Kilmeade, who reportedly had a direct line to the former president during the Capitol riot, said this week that Trump was "unhinged" in the aftermath of the election.
"The president was unhinged during that period," Kilmeade said in a "Media Buzz" segment. "I interviewed him at West Point, and he was kind enough to give me a few minutes. I've never seen him so angry. That was in between the election and Jan. 6."
Kilmeade also called it "the worst moment of Donald Trump's political career," adding: "I think how you lose in life defines who you are … A lot of times things don't work out, and are so-called unfair. Your team couldn't prove [the election was rigged], move on."
Americans remain deeply pessimistic about the state of the country and the economy
ESPECIALLY WITH ASSHOLES LIKE YOU ROOTING AGAINST THE US!!!
Lol@Dopie
Bidenomics is a 🔥 train wreck.
We told ya so.
4:13 SOUNDS LIKE EVEN FOX NEWS IS TURNING AGAINST TRUMP!!!
WHEN A RIGHTWINGER HAS LOST EVEN FOX NEWS.....
Mizzzz Hutchinson, lied, under oath, when she swore the note written by her hand.
Opppssie, no it wasn't.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lol@Dopie
Bidenomics is a 🔥 train wreck.
We told ya so.
BWAA actually thinks that the shitpile economy is caused by 'rooting against it.'
That's not just stupid. That's 'alky stupid.'
Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell warned Wednesday that there is "no guarantee" the central bank will be able to bring inflation to heel without sacrifices in the job market, while reiterating policymakers' aim to achieve a soft landing in their effort to rein in surging prices.
Speaking at the European Central Bank's policy conference in Portugal, Powell said that supply and demand are "really out of balance in many parts of the U.S. economy," and pointed to the labor market as "being a big example of that."
He said those imbalances need to be evened out in order to bring inflation down.
"We think that there are pathways for us to achieve that, to achieve the path back to 2% inflation while still retaining sustaining a strong labor market. We believe we can do that. That is our aim," Powell said, before adding, "There's no guarantee we can do that."
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/powell-says-no-guarantee-fed-can-tamp-down-inflation-without-hurting-job-market
First on CNN: Cassidy Hutchinson stands by her testimony amid pushback
Annie Grayer
By Jake Tapper and Annie Grayer, CNN
Updated 4:57 PM ET, Wed June 29, 2022
(CNN)Cassidy Hutchinson, an aide to former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, released a new statement Wednesday provided exclusively to CNN standing by her blockbuster testimony revealed in a hearing with the House select committee investigating January 6, in light of some pushback on her testimony.
"Ms. Hutchinson stands by all of the testimony she provided yesterday, under oath, to the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol," Hutchinson's counsel Jody Hunt and William Jordan said in the statement.
Hutchinson testified for nearly two hours on Tuesday as well as giving recorded depositions in advance of the hearing, where she vividly described her experience at the White House close to Meadows and then-President Donald Trump during the days leading up to and including the Capitol Hill riot. Hutchinson described how Trump and Meadows had been repeatedly warned in advance and on the day of the attack about the possibility of violence including from armed individuals at the rally.
While officials with the Secret Service as well as close to Trump have not disputed the overall characterization of Hutchinson's testimony, some are rebutting specific claims and descriptions.
Unlike Hutchinson's testimony, the limited denials were not made under oath.
Hutchinson testified she had been told that when Trump was informed by security that he would not be going to the Capitol on January 6, 2021, he lunged to the front of his vehicle and tried to turn the wheel with one hand while using his other hand to "lunge" at Robert Engel, the Secret Service agent in charge that day.
Hutchinson testified that she had been told this story by Tony Ornato, then-White House deputy chief of staff, and that Engel had been there as the story was told.
After the hearing, a Secret Service official familiar with the matter told CNN that Ornato denies telling Hutchinson that the former President grabbed the steering wheel or an agent on his detail.
Ornato is known to have a strong relationship with Trump and his team, having been granted an unusual waiver to suspend his time on the US Secret Service to serve as Trump's deputy White House chief of staff.
Engel had previously testified before the committee and described the interactions with Trump on January 6, including the former President's desire to travel to the Capitol, but Engel was not asked about an altercation or being assaulted, the official said.
The Secret Service, through the Department of Homeland Security Office of Legislative Affairs, notified the committee Tuesday afternoon that it will make the agents involved available to testify under oath, the official said, and that the agents are prepared to say under oath that the incident Hutchinson described did not occur.
"BWAA actually thinks that the shitpile economy is caused by 'rooting against it.'
That's not just stupid. That's 'alky stupid.'"
RRB
Exactly, the data most of us use comes from The Biden Administration.
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