The Committee announced about a week ago that they weren’t going to be holding any more hearings until July. Then suddenly, they announced on Monday, June 27th that they were going to be holding a surprise hearing on Tuesday–and we got Cassidy Hutchinson with these allegations. So, it would appear that it was in that short period the Committee came upon the allegations.
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What did they do to try to confirm those allegations with the Secret Service agents who had already testified? The agents hadn’t made similar allegations or the Committee would have put them forth. Why did they run with the allegations of someone who wasn’t even in the car, rather than the agents who were there? Read on.
The Secret Service said earlier on Wednesday that the agents are available to testify regarding the allegations. But the Secret Service is now also saying that the Jan. 6 Committee never reached out to them over the past 10 days to try to confirm or ask about Hutchinson’s story.
So at the end of the day, this "surprise" hearing with little advanced notice was a way to get around having to actually "vet" the story that was being told by Hutchinson. They didn't want to have to reach out to the Secret Service (which would have been a near necessity had they sat on this for two weeks - because the story would have been leaked out). Moreover, no reasonable hearing would ever move forward on hearsay testimony when the people running the hearing had access to the first hand accounts. The fact that they didn't decide to call the secret service agents (rather than Hutchinson) is bad enough. The fact that they did not bother to even contact them to vet the story?
Unethical.
But instead they announced on a Monday that they would hold an emergency session on Tuesday to put forth hearsay testimony... because they are more interested in a dishonest narrative than in getting to the truth.
Regardless of what side of the aisle you are on. You should never support (much less applaud) this sort of action.
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Among the obvious questions, though, is just how bad this will be for Trump, politically, and how Republicans will react to it.
In conversations with a half-dozen Republican strategists who represent a spectrum of opinion within the party and were granted anonymity to speak frankly, there was a broad consensus that, yes, this might have an impact on Trump — but probably not on Republicans in the midterms. There was a sense that this would inflict real damage on Trump’s long-term ambitions, even if it did nothing to shift the needle for now.
”What more do you need to believe crimes were committed?” one Republican strategist asked, before also conceding that “There have been a million times when people say Trump is finished, but this could be the millionth and one, but I don’t see a way for him to come back from this testimony.”
You really have lost your mind Scott
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Just when it seems as if Donald Trump’s behavior after his 2020 loss couldn’t possibly look worse, a new piece of wild testimony arrives. The House Jan. 6 inquiry on Tuesday called Cassidy Hutchinson, described as the principal aide to former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows.
Roger shits on another Thread like he always does.
So sad.
biggest news is that Mr. Trump was advised, according to Ms. Hutchinson, that some of the people who were awaiting his Jan. 6, 2021, speech had come armed. He was angry that the crowd wasn’t filling up the ellipse, apparently because some onlookers preferred not to go through the official security check, which included magnetometers, or “mags” for short.
Ms. Hutchinson: “I overheard the President say something to the effect of, ‘I don’t f— care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the f— mags away. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol from here.’” This was shortly before Mr. Trump said in his speech that “if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
Roger points out what really is most important about Hutchinson's testimony. That is not "sh***ing" on this thread, but correcting it.
YOU’RE
FUCKING
INSANE
Get a life you pathetic old man
This isn’t even sad anymore, you need serious help
You both need to go to Vienna and have like a team of psyches to help you out
This is pitiful
No one cares, Trump left 18 months ago
The world is in flames because we installed a dementia patient into the White House to get rid of Bad Orangeman
Hey pedo how’s Ukraine looking
You stupid ass
Trump would GLADLY have
sent his armed, angry
misled supporters to the
Capitol to interfere
with the ratification
of his legitimate loss.
Ukraine is remarkably holding
on. We are rushing ever more
help to them.
Russia must NOT win in this.
That would only encourage
dictator Putin's desire for
a new Soviet Russian Empire.
That was the dream that he thought would begin in just a couple of weeks, with soldiers celebrating by marching through Kyiv in dress uniforms they brought from home and later abandoned, lol!!!!.
You really believe that Cheney is a liberal
Good News! Chariot's a-comin'!!!
Warnock Jumps to Big Lead Over Walker
June 29, 2022 at 5:18 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 104 Comments
A new Quinnipiac poll in Georgia shows Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-GA) jumping out to a double-digit lead over Republican challenger Herschel Walker (R),
54% to 44%.
In the matchup for governor, Gov. Brian Kemp (R) and challenger Stacey Abrams (D) are tied at 48% each.
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No Trump bump there! And it will get better!
The next John Dean
J6 committee officially subpoenas Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone
Bob Brigham
June 29, 2022
Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone was officially subpoenaed on Wednesday by the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol.
The subpoena compels Cipollone to testify on July 6.
"The inquiry includes examination of former President Trump's awareness of and involvement in activities undertaken to subvert the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, including the submission of fake electoral ballots to Congress and the executive branch, and the attempted appointment of Jeffrey Clark as acting attorney general, and efforts to interfere with the Congressional certification of the electoral results on Jan. 6, 2021," the select committee wrote in a letter to Cipollone.
"Our investigation has revealed credible evidence that you have information concerning these and other issues with the scope of the select committee's inquiry," Chair Bennie Thompson (D-MI) wrote.
In announcing the subpoena, Thompson said, “The Select Committee’s investigation has revealed evidence that Mr. Cipollone repeatedly raised legal and other concerns about President Trump’s activities on January 6th and in the days that preceded."
Cipollone held the same position in the Trump administration on Jan. 6 that John Dean held in the Nixon administration during Watergate.
Fake electors scheme is illegal.
Scott, they have him.
He will be the first former to go to jail for life
Rushing more money to keep the Military Industrial Complex humming, to the detriment of America.
Donnas is gone
https://www.businessinsider.com/an-elite-ukraine-marines-unit-fighting-in-donbas-lost-80-of-its-soldiers-2022-6
We are passing money down a rathole to avoid dementia Joe’s abject failure of a presidency, which is also what the J6 kangaroo court is.
But you two are to stupid to get it
"He will be the first former to go to jail for life."
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Well, maybe not for life,
but then, he IS already quite old...
"He will be the first former to go to jail for life."
Well, maybe not for life,
but then, he IS alrady quite old...
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801,552 votes 68.2%
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156,998 votes 13.4%
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Whatever floats your boat pederast
Just eyeballing that the R had 300k more votes in the primary than the Donks.
Oh I live in a blue blue section and of the few signs I see they’re Run, Herschel, Run
None for the child molester Warnock
“The sham Committee’s star witness is already discredited less than 24 hours after her testimony. It was all hearsay. This is the Russia hoax playbook. Democrats’ media allies are simply repeating their outrageous and evidence-free accusations,”
Correction 400k more votes for the Rs
That’s a big hill to climb for that fat gapped tooth bitch to try and swing
Chicken and waffle stores will be quivering Stacey come around
Cali
You know that votes don't actually count for much!
WASHINGTON (AP) — The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection issued a subpoena Wednesday to former White House counsel Pat Cipollone, who is said to have stridently warned against former President Donald Trump’s efforts to try to overturn his election loss.
It’s the first public step the committee has taken since receiving the public testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson, the one-time junior aide who accused Trump of knowing his supporters were armed on Jan. 6 and demanding that he be taken to the U.S. Capitol that day.
Cipollone, who was Trump’s top White House lawyer, , the same position as
John Dean during Watergate, is said to have raised concerns about the former president’s efforts to overturn his 2020 election defeat and at one point threatened to resign. The committee said he could have information about several efforts by Trump allies to subvert the Electoral College, from organizing so-called alternate electors in states Biden won to trying to appoint as attorney general a loyalist who pushed false theories of voter fraud.
The hearings are not partisan.
Ain’t that the truth Cold
ACCORDING TO TRUMP:
Barr a 'RINO,'
Ivanka 'checked out':
Trump tries to explain the Jan. 6 testimony against him
Yahoo News
DAVID KNOWLES
June 29, 2022, 4:41 PM
Throughout the testimony presented in the Jan. 6 select committee hearings, former President Donald Trump, who may yet face criminal charges stemming from the emerging evidence, has sought to shape public perceptions about the Republican witnesses who have appeared.
During some of the testimony, such as Tuesday’s blockbuster appearance by former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, Trump offered real-time responses on social media. During other parts, such as last Thursday’s appearance by former Justice Department officials who testified that Trump had asked them to “just say the election was corrupt,” the former president issued a series of statements attacking what he calls “the UNSELECT committee” itself.
Despite polls showing that a majority of Americans NOW BELIEVE TRUMP SHOULD BE PROSECUTED BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election,
the former president continues to assert that he did nothing wrong in regard to the riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
Donald Trump:
“This is merely an attempt to stop a man that is leading in every poll, against both Republicans and Democrats by wide margins, from running again for the Presidency,” Trump said in a falsehood-laden, 12-page statement issued after the second day of testimony earlier this month. In fundraising emails, Trump has also repeatedly attacked the two Republican representatives on the committee as “Crazy Liz Cheney” and “Cryin’ Adam Kinzinger.”
As he did during the two impeachment hearings that took place during his presidency, Trump has gone after those who have offered testimony against him. In doing so, he has sometimes drastically revised his own past statements on those individuals, some of whom he had lavishly praised when they worked for him.
William Barr
During his testimony to the select committee that was played during the first hearing on June 9, former Trump Attorney General William Barr testified that his department had investigated the former president's claims of voter fraud and told him there was no evidence supporting Trump's assertions.
Barr then described how Trump had “become detached from reality” about his election loss and had no “interest in what the actual facts were.” The idea that fraud had cost Trump the election was “bullshit” and “complete nonsense,” Barr testified.
Before the 2020 election, Trump lavished praise on Barr, calling him “a very straight shooter” and “a man with incredible integrity.”
Quickly responding to the June 9 hearing, during which portions of Barr’s testimony were shown, Trump called him “a coward” and a “weak and frightened Attorney General.”
Three days later, with Barr’s comments dominating news coverage, Trump used a different phrase to describe his former AG, referring to him as a RINO, which stands for "Republican in name only."
“Former A.G. Bill Barr, a RINO if there ever was one, didn’t have the courage or stamina to go after voter fraud — Was afraid he was going to be impeached,” Trump wrote in a statement posted to his social media platform, Truth Social. “NO GUTS, NO GLORY!!!”
Ivanka Trump
Video testimony from former White House senior adviser Ivanka Trump is played for the House select committee on June 13. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)
Trump's eldest daughter, Ivanka, also made a taped appearance during the first select committee hearing. As with Barr, her testimony to the committee was played for the country to see. The portion of her testimony that struck a nerve came when she was asked for her response to Barr’s Dec. 1, 2020, statement that there was no evidence of significant election fraud.
“It affected my perspective. I respect Attorney General Barr, so I accepted what he was saying,” she said to the committee.
Trump has long praised Ivanka, who was the only child of his to formally join his administration. In a 2019 interview with the Atlantic, Trump gushed over his daughter, saying he had considered her for the role of president of the World Bank. “She would’ve been great at that because she’s very good with numbers,” he said.
After seeing her during the select committee hearing, he quickly sought to downplay his daughter's remarks.
“Ivanka Trump was not involved in looking at, or studying, Election results. She had long since checked out and was, in my opinion, only trying to be respectful to Bill Barr and his position as Attorney General (he sucked!),” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
There’s no legal bar to prosecuting Trump as a former president. Since he is no longer in office, Justice Department legal opinions that shielded him from criminal charges no longer apply.
But while it may be hard for the department to turn away from a case if the cumulative evidence is provable beyond a reasonable doubt, there are other factors to consider. No former president has ever been prosecuted by the Justice Department, and a criminal case against the already polarizing former president risks dividing the country even further.
Trump has also been laying the groundwork for another presidential run, and the department may want to avoid any perception that it is targeting a political adversary of Biden in the heat of an election.
“It will be,” Buell said, “one of the hardest issues that any U.S. attorney general has ever confronted.”
Rusty Bowers
Arizona Speaker of the House Bowers testified before the committee on June 21, recounting how Trump and his allies waged a pressure campaign to convince him to replace Arizona’s electors even though there was no evidence that voter fraud resulted in Joe Biden’s win there.
In anticipation of Bowers’s testimony that Trump and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani called Bowers to try to convince him to overturn Arizona’s election results, the former president released a statement attacking him.
“Arizona Speaker of the House Rusty Bowers is the latest RINO to play along with the Unselect Committee,” Trumpsaid in a statement.
Bowers testified that he told the then president and Giuliani, “You're asking me to do something that is counter to my oath,” and said he refused to go along with the plot because he “didn’t want to be used as a pawn.”
Cassidy Hutchinson
A former aide to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, Cassidy Hutchinson, testified under oath and in person Tuesday that Trump knew some of his supporters were armed before he directed them to go to the Capitol on Jan. 6; that she was told about Trump wrestling with his Secret Service detail for control of his limousine; that the former president threw dishes at the wall after learning Barr would not back his conspiracy theories about a stolen election; and that Meadows and Giuliani had inquired about presidential pardons.
As her testimony unfolded, Trump sought to downplay Hutchinson’s role in his administration despite the fact that her office was just steps away from his.
“I hardly know who this person, Cassidy Hutchinson, is, other than I heard very negative things about her (a total phony and ‘leaker’), and when she requested to go with certain others of the team to Florida after my having served a full term in office, I personally turned her request down,” Trump wrote in a statement.
“Why did she want to go with us if she felt we were so terrible? I understand that she was very upset and angry that I didn’t want her to go, or be a member of the team. She is bad news,” he wrote.
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Bad news for you; good news for our nation.
She had kept trying to emphasize the good things you did, but what you did by refusing to admit your election defeat and especially on Jan 6 went beyond her capacity to stay quiet anymore.
Rusty Bowers
Arizona Speaker of the House Bowers testified before the committee on June 21, recounting how Trump and his allies waged a pressure campaign to convince him to replace Arizona’s electors even though there was no evidence that voter fraud resulted in Joe Biden’s win there.
In anticipation of Bowers’s testimony that Trump and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani called Bowers to try to convince him to overturn Arizona’s election results, the former president released a statement attacking him.
“Arizona Speaker of the House Rusty Bowers is the latest RINO to play along with the Unselect Committee,” Trumpsaid in a statement.
Bowers testified that he told the then president and Giuliani, “You're asking me to do something that is counter to my oath,” and said he refused to go along with the plot because he “didn’t want to be used as a pawn.”
Cassidy Hutchinson
A former aide to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, Cassidy Hutchinson, testified under oath and in person Tuesday that Trump knew some of his supporters were armed before he directed them to go to the Capitol on Jan. 6; that she was told about Trump wrestling with his Secret Service detail for control of his limousine; that the former president threw dishes at the wall after learning Barr would not back his conspiracy theories about a stolen election; and that Meadows and Giuliani had inquired about presidential pardons.
As her testimony unfolded, Trump sought to downplay Hutchinson’s role in his administration despite the fact that her office was just steps away from his.
“I hardly know who this person, Cassidy Hutchinson, is, other than I heard very negative things about her (a total phony and ‘leaker’), and when she requested to go with certain others of the team to Florida after my having served a full term in office, I personally turned her request down,” Trump wrote in a statement.
“Why did she want to go with us if she felt we were so terrible? I understand that she was very upset and angry that I didn’t want her to go, or be a member of the team. She is bad news,” he wrote.
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Bad news for you; good news for our nation.
She had kept trying to emphasize the good things you did, but what you did by refusing to admit your election defeat and especially on Jan 6 went beyond her capacity to stay quiet anymore.
The House select committee investigating Jan. 6 on Wednesday subpoenaed former White House counsel Pat Cipollone.
Why it matters: Cipollone has come up frequently in the committee's public hearings this month and is often described as a voice within the administration who warned about the legal risk of former President Trump's efforts to overturn the election.
That contemporaneous perspective could be central to the panel's case for Trump's criminal culpability in the Jan. 6 riot and surrounding events.As the hearings have unfolded, Committee vice chair Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) has become increasingly vocal in calling for Cipollone to testify.
What they're saying: Cheney and Chair Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) said in a statement that their probe has "revealed evidence that Mr. Cipollone repeatedly raised legal and other concerns about President Trump’s activities on January 6th and in the days that preceded."
According to the subpoena, Cipollone sat for an "informal interview" with the committee on April 13."In the weeks since, the Select Committee has continued to obtain evidence about which you are uniquely positioned to testify," it said, adding that Cipollone "declined to cooperate with us further" after April 13.Now, Cheney and Thompson said, "the committee needs to hear from him on the record, as other former White House counsels have done in other congressional investigations."
The details: The subpoena says the panel has "credible evidence" Cipollone could provide information on "Trump's awareness of and involvement in activities undertaken to subvert the outcome of the 2020 presidential election," including:
The submission of fraudulent elector slates from several key swing states to Congress.
An attempted shake-up of Justice Department leadership to spur an investigation of election fraud claims.
Efforts to stop Congress from certifying President Biden's election victory on Jan. 6.
Each one of them could lead to charges against Trump.
The committee came under increasing scrutiny from Trump allies on Wednesday for highlighting Hutchinson’s claims about Trump lunging at a Secret Service officer and trying to grab the wheel of the presidential SUV. One person familiar with direct knowledge of the committee’s work said the committee did not have direct evidence to corroborate or repudiate Hutchinson’s testimony, and some people involved in the committee’s work said they hoped more evidence would emerge to substantiate her claims.
Another well-known former White House counsel, who did ultimately testify to Congress about his role in the coverup of the Watergate scandal, said he believes Cipollone has a moral imperative to cooperate with the committee.
“He has taken an oath to protect and defend the Constitution on three occasions, twice when he was admitted to the bar with licenses he still holds, and once when he took the job of White House counsel, and I think oaths are serious matters,” said John Dean, Richard M. Nixon’s former counsel. “Here’s a man with 10 children. And I would think he’d want them to remember him as somebody who defended democracy for them.”
“Mark, we need to do something more,” Ms. Hutchinson said she heard Mr. Cipollone tell Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff, on Jan. 6 as Mr. Trump’s supporters entered the Capitol. “They’re literally calling for the vice president to be f-ing hung.”
The House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol attack issued a subpoena on Wednesday to former Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone, compelling him to testify about at least three parts of Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.
The subpoena marked a dramatic escalation for the panel and showed its resolve in seeking to obtain inside information about how the former president sought to return himself to office from the unique perspective of the White House counsel’s office.
Ex-White House aide delivers explosive public testimony to January 6 panel
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“Mr Cipollone repeatedly raised legal and other concerns about President Trump’s activities on January 6th and in the days that preceded,” the chairman of the select committee, Bennie Thompson, said in a statement accompanying the subpoena
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