The biggest issue with the Jan 6th "get Trump" commission is that they are trying to use a whole bunch of either perfectly legal (at best) or constitutionally questionable (at worst) action to create this narrative that when you put it all together... the end result is criminal?
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From the concept of alternate electors, to Pence delaying the counts, to filing election challenges in court, absolutely none of it is actually illegal. They can refer to alternate electors as "fake electors" or whatever. They can word Pence delaying the count into something that sounds nefarious. They can even suggest that court cases are somehow illegal.
But rhetoric is not law.
To the questions of whether or not Pence had the right to delay the counting...what the USSC might have declared at the end of the day would sort out the constitutional issue, but it would not create a criminal statute to charge anyone. Pence would never be criminally liable for taking that action and certainly Trump could not be criminal liable for requesting it.
So what about this idea that delaying the certification for a period of time is criminal?
Some sort of "obstruction of Congress?
Let's be clear here folks!
Everyday Congress attempts to perform certain duties. Everyday someone tries to hold it up through blocking of some committee vote, some procedural move, or even the classic filibuster. Delaying Congress from moving forward with something is as natural to Congress as anything they do. If delaying a Congressional act was illegal, every member of congress would be in jail and someone would have thrown away all the keys.
This is why we have had hours and hours of Democrats and a couple of Trump hating Republicans trying to tell us what Trump was "thinking". Because at the end of the day, their entire case is built on the premise of "corrupt intent". It literally has to be, because otherwise nothing that was done is criminal or even close to it. You can only "make" it criminal by proving some sort of criminal or corrupt intent.
But how do you prove that Trump believed that he lost when Trump still demands every single day that he won. He has not wavered one bit from this belief and there are literally tens of millions who believe the same thing.
Here is the deal... Then could roll out a million "experts" who can demand that Trump had no legal recourse and that anything he did would fail. That still doesn't make it a crime or provide criminal intent for him to have tried. They could roll out two million more witnesses to demand that he was wrong about election fraud. But Trump believing as such (along with over 50% of the population) is also not a crime, nor does it provide criminal intent.
Smoking gun? Nope. Not even close. They don't even have a wet squirt gun.
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Retired U.S. Judge J. Michael Luttig, a former appellate judge on the Fourth Circuit, and a respected conservative voice, was one of several legal experts who testified on the third day of public hearings.
The goal of the hearing was to argue that Trump had pressured then-Vice President Mike Pence to follow what they considered an constitutional path of refusing to certify the Electoral College vote from several states, sending the vote back to the state legislatures for further consideration.
But one witness, Greg Jacob, a former counsel to Pence, testified that the relevant phrase in the 12th Amendment was “inartfully worded,” which suggested room for Trump’s unusual interpretation and that of his legal adviser, John Eastman.
Luttig disagreed with Jacob, saying the 12th Amendment was clear. But he added that the precedent that Trump and Eastman had used was “historical,” not legal, because Democrats, including Raskin, had objected to past elections on the same basis.
“That was the centerpiece of the plan to overturn the 2020 election. It was the historical precedent, in the years, and with the vice presidents, I named, as Congressman Raskin understands well.”
Jacob also noted that Democrats had tried to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote in 2000, 2004, and 2016. Among those was Raskin himself, who tried to reject Electoral College votes to declare Trump the winner in 2016.
Luttig also declined to take the bait when presented with evidence that Eastman had once argued against his own position. (Lawyers often make opposing arguments in different circumstances, and must often argue against their own past or personal views if a client wishes to pursue a case.)
Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-CA) then tried to defend of Democrats’ past actions by pointing out that Vice President Al Gore never claimed the power to declare himself the winner in 2000. But nor did Trump and his team; they wanted the states to decide.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/16/watch-january-6-witness-calls-out-jamie-raskin-for-objecting-to-2016-election/
So imbecile democrats like Raskin wish to now criminalize behavior that they themselves engaged in when the electoral shoe was on the other foot.
Harvard Law prof predicts former student Merrick Garland will criminally charge Donald Trump
Bob Brigham
June 16, 2022
One of America's top constitutional experts predicted that his former student, Attorney General Merrick Garland, would criminally charge Donald Trump for his attempted coup.
On Thursday, CNN's Erin Burnett interviewed Laurence Tribe, professor emeritus at Harvard Law School where he taught for 52 years, teaching the Constitution to some of the most powerful people in America.
Tribe taught Jan. 6 select committee members Jaime Raskin (D-MD) and Adam Schiff (D-CA) and Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts.
"With the hearing today that focused so much on Trump causing violence against Pence, do you believe the committee has proven that Trump himself knowingly committed crimes?" Burnett asked.
"Without any doubt," Tribe said.
Trump and Eastman were co-conspirators. Recall that when a federal judge recently posited that laws were broken in connection with Jan. 6, he asserted that both Trump and Eastman may have committed crimes.
In those court papers, the judge wrote that they may have committed “conspiracy to defraud the United States.” He suggested they enter into an agreement to obstruct a lawful function of government — Congress’s counting of electoral votes — and that both “likely knew” the plan was an illegal violation of the Electoral Count Act of 1887. Corrupt pressure on Pence may have constituted the requisite “act” in furtherance of that conspiracy.
First, you are getting worse every single day.
Second, conservative lawyers have been exposing serious probable cause for the Department of Justice to open up a Grand Jury investigation into Donald Trump himself and Eastman would be facing obstruction of Congressional proceedings.
Garland is watching the hearings.
Given the extreme nature of this former President Donald Trump, I suspect that he will break precident and open up a Grand Jury investigation into Donald Trump, and charge him for crimes.
The bottom line is we will see.
Earlier this month, the House select committee investigating the Capitol siege alleged in a federal court filing that it had amassed evidence that Trump illegally schemed to stop the lawful transfer of power to President Biden.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/598285-is-merrick-garland-locked-and-loaded-on-donald-trump/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/16/jan-6-hearing-john-eastman-trump/
Bidenomics has failed
"With inflation at a 41-year high, it’s no wonder that millennials and members of Gen Z are very concerned about the current cost of living. A new survey finds that almost half of individuals belonging to these two generations are living paycheck to paycheck — and that nearly a third of them worry about not being able to retire comfortably. "
The economy is just at the beginnung of this Biden Caused Recession.
“What the president wanted the vice-president to do was not just wrong, it was illegal and unconstitutional,” Congresswoman Liz Cheney, a Republican of Wyoming and the committee’s vice-chair, said on Thursday.
Squeezed between a president who refused to accept defeat and a constitution that provided him no such power to change the course of the election, the vice-president chose the constitution, those who advised him testified on Thursday.
Greg Jacob, who served as counsel to Pence when he was vice-president, told the panel that Eastman’s plot to nullify the results of the 2020 election was unlawful from its conception – and Eastman knew it.
During a meeting with Eastman on 4 January, Jacob testified that Eastman “acknowledged” that the strategy would violate the Electoral Count Act, the 19th-century law that Trump pressured Pence to exploit. In an exchange the next day, Eastman conceded that if the supreme court heard a challenge to his interpretation of the act, it would have been rejected, 9-0.
Fortunately we have highly qualified Director of The Department of Justice Garland.
And you still don't believe that William Barr said that we had a fair and square election.
A new survey finds that almost half of individuals belonging to these two generations are living paycheck to paycheck — and that nearly a third of them worry about not being able to retire comfortably. "
And with all of the student loan debt they've accumulated acquiring those grievance studies degrees, they'll never be able to afford to buy a house. Especially at a 10% mortgage interest rate, which is exactly where we're headed.
And rather than watch the J6 Kangaroo Court where Raskin is trying to criminalize his own past behavior, they're watching FJB utterly destroy their future.
November cannot get here soon enough.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/16/jan-6-committee-doj-trump-00040320
He better hire a good fucking lawyer 😤
The Jan. 6 select committee made its most forceful case Thursday that Donald Trump’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election was more than an affront to the democratic process — it was a crime.
For all the panel’s public quibbling over whether to vote on referring Trump to the Justice Department for a possible criminal case, members did it their own way. They used Thursday’s public hearing to present what they see as some of their most compelling evidence and thereby mount a case, with Attorney General Merrick Garland watching, that Trump broke the law in his effort to make former Vice President Mike Pence single-handedly overturn the election.
Fortunately we have highly qualified Director of The Department of Justice Garland.
Sane people refer to Garland as the Attorney General.
And you still don't believe that William Barr said that we had a fair and square election.
Barr said that to avoid the trouble of litigating it. He saw the exit door within his reach and he was taking it. The same with the 60 cases that Trump's legal team attempted to bring, all of which were dismissed for "lack of standing." A cowards way out. The fact that you lack the intellect to grasped these little nuances is not surprising in the least.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/16/jan-6-committee-doj-trump-00040320
THE FALLACY?
BS BS BS
YOU ARE DESPERATE
DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE
JUST GOT EVEN MORE IMPOSSIBLE
January 6 Committee SOLIDLY Makes Its Case Against Trump
June 17, 2022 at 6:14 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 4 Comments
“The Jan. 6 select committee made its most forceful case Thursday that Donald Trump’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election was more than an affront to the democratic process — it was a crime,” Politico reports.
“For all the panel’s public quibbling over whether to vote on referring Trump to the Justice Department for a possible criminal case, members did it their own way. They used Thursday’s public hearing to present what they see as some of their most compelling evidence and thereby mount a case, with Attorney General Merrick Garland watching, that Trump broke the law in his effort to make former Vice President Mike Pence single-handedly overturn the election.”
TRUMP IS GUILTY AS HELL
"November cannot get here soon enough."
Bidenomics is on every ballot.
Roger's Made up Economic Term Defined.
"Bottom-Up Economics " = Many More Americans live in poverty.
😄😁😆😅🤣😂TRUMP IS GUILTY AS HELL🤪🙃😜
The Jan. 6 select committee makes a criminal referral — its own way
For all the quibbling over whether they should ask DOJ to investigate Donald Trump, panel members effectively did so on Thursday.
Jacob also noted that Democrats had tried to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote in 2000, 2004, and 2016. Among those was Raskin himself, who tried to reject Electoral College votes to declare Trump the winner in 2016.
So good luck trying to criminalize behavior that was accepted practice just a short time ago.
This would be called precedent, gin blossom. And will probably be the very first pieces of evidence provided by Trump's defense team should anyone in the DOJ find the courage to actually bring charges against him.
How many of these 'WE REALLY GOT HIM THIS TIME!!!' episodes have you suffered through alky? Have you kept track? There must be dozens.
CH: Pence would never be criminally liable for taking that action and certainly Trump could not be criminal(sic) liable for requesting it.
>ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR F'ING MIND?
TRUMP BROKE THE LAW!
TRUMP COMMITTED A CRIME!
TRUMP IS GUILTY AS HELL!
LOL. OK.
Then charge him already. Indict him. TODAY. Quit fucking around. It's been 18 fucking months. How much more time do you need?
You obviously don't have a shortage of kangaroos.
YEAH, YOU ARE DEFINITELY OUT OF YOUR F'ing MIND.
Democrats Make Progress with Joe Manchin
June 17, 2022 at 6:46 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 0 Comments
“Senate Democrats are preparing for possible summer action on their still-elusive climate, tax reform and prescription drugs bill, grinding behind the scenes on a new version during high-profile gun safety talks,” Politico reports.
“With much of Washington’s attention on guns, Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) met twice this week on a potential party-line package. There’s more afoot:
Schumer and his staff are working with the Senate parliamentarian to help tee up a possible July or August vote. And a prominent Democratic pollster has tested how popular major components of a hypothetical bill would be in Senate battleground states.”
Although prosecuting a former president would be extraordinary and historic step, it WILL ultimately help to restore faith in the rule of law.
His IED is getting worse than ever.
Bidenomics, damaging the Elderly as well as middle income .
"Stock market's fall has wiped out $3 trillion in retirement savings this year"
Anonymous Roger Amick uncensored said...
Although prosecuting a former president would be extraordinary and historic step, it WILL ultimately help to restore faith in the rule of law.
Only to an insane psychiatric hospital inmate.
Prosecuting Trump by charging him with crimes that were an acceptable and LEGAL practice for democrats will utterly destroy what little faith remains in the rule of law for rational and sane people.
Personally, I wish the DOJ WOULD charge him. TODAY. I want to watch an actual trial where Trump's legal team utterly fucking destroys the democrats argument with precedent without even breaking a sweat.
The truth is, you fucking assholes don't have a case and you never did, or Trump would've been charged MONTHS ago. And if the Kangaroo Court clown show was so critical to the "survival of our democracy", NBC would never have cut to a fucking golf match.
LOL.
COMMONSENSE AND DEEP INTEGRITY WERE ON DISPLAY AS LUTTIG TESTIFIED
Retired Republican judge says January 6 was 'well-developed plan' by Trump to cling to power
By Jamie Gangel, Jeremy Herb and Elizabeth Stuart, CNN
Luttig outlined in his statement how close he believed democracy came to the brink.
"It is breathtaking that these arguments even were conceived, let alone entertained by the President of the United States at that perilous moment in history," Luttig wrote.
"Had the Vice President of the United States obeyed the President of the United States, America would immediately have been plunged into what would have been tantamount to a revolution within a paralyzing constitutional crisis."
Luttig was involved in advising the Pence team against claims from Trump allies like attorney John Eastman, who wrote a memo saying Pence had the power to single-handedly block the certification of the election for Joe Biden.
Luttig concluded that January 6 "was the final fateful day for the execution of a well-developed plan by the former president to overturn the 2020 presidential election at any cost."
The retired judge praised Pence for his actions on January 6 and his willingness to stand up to Trump and his allies. "There were many cowards on the battlefield on January 6," Luttig wrote. "The Vice President was not among them."
On January 5, 2021 -- after Pence's lawyer, Richard Cullen, called Luttig asking for help -- Luttig tweeted a statement explaining that the Constitution gave Pence no powers to reject electors and overturn the election, as Trump was demanding. Pence cited the statement in his letter on January 6 explaining why he would defy Trump and certify the election.
Luttig wrote in his statement to the committee: "From their inception, the legal arguments that underlaid the efforts to overturn the 2020 election were, in that context, little more than beguiling and frivolous, perhaps appropriate for academic classroom debate, but singularly inappropriate as counsel to the President of the United States of America in his effort to overturn the presidential election -- an election he had lost fair and square and as to which there was not then, and there is not to this day, evidence of fraud."
Luttig's role pushing back against Trump's efforts to subvert the election were all the more noteworthy because of his stature as a judge in Republican circles. Eastman, who drafted the point-by-point memo claiming Pence could stop the certification on January 6, was a clerk for Luttig.
In his statement, Luttig also warned that the efforts to overturn the election in 2020 amounted to an attack on American democracy, a threat he said continues today thanks to Trump's ongoing claims that election was stolen from him.
"This false and reckless insistence that the former president won the 2020 presidential election has laid waste to Americans' confidence in their national elections," Luttig wrote. "More alarming still is that the former president pledges that his reelection will not be 'stolen' from him next time around, and his Republican Party allies and supporters obeisantly pledge the same."
Luttig also offered a defense of the committee's focus on January 6, warning that "America's democracy was almost stolen from us" and urging the American public to pay attention.
"No American ought to turn away from January 6, 2021," he said, "until all of America comes to grips with what befell our country that day, and we decide what we want for our democracy from this day, forward."
LAW AND ORDER AND RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION!!!
COWARDLY CH JUST CENSORED A LONG POST OF MINE
I DARE YOU TO RESTORE MY POST ON LUTTIG'S REMARKS.
2384 - Seditious conspiracy
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If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
I DARE YOU TO RESTORE MY LONG POST ON LUTTIG'S REMARKS, YOU COWARD!
I DARE YOU TO RESTORE MY LONG POST ON LUTTIG'S REMARKS, YOU COWARD!!!
I DARE YOU TO RESTORE MY LONG POST ON LUTTIG'S REMARKS, YOU COWARD!!!
In that ruling, which allowed the committee to access more than 100 communications Eastman claimed were privileged, U.S. District Judge David O. Carter said that it was “more likely than not” that Trump tried to “corruptly” overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. Carter found that Trump and Eastman “likely” violated two federal statutes: obstruction of an official proceeding and conspiracy to defraud the United States.
The Department of Justice has requested transcripts from the hearings.
Scott, get help. IED can be delayed but it is incurable.
Still on the committee 24/7? I'll be back when something more relevant to us all is being discussed.
THIS IS WHAT CH DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SEE
Exclusive:
Retired Republican judge says January 6 was 'well-developed plan' by Trump to cling to power
CNN
Ex-Judge who played key role in Trump-Pence feud speaks out for first time
Luttig outlined in his statement how close he believed democracy came to the brink.
"It is breathtaking that these arguments even were conceived, let alone entertained by the President of the United States at that perilous moment in history," Luttig wrote. "Had the Vice President of the United States obeyed the President of the United States, America would immediately have been plunged into what would have been tantamount to a revolution within a paralyzing constitutional crisis."
The retired judge praised Pence for his actions on January 6 and his willingness to stand up to Trump and his allies. "There were many cowards on the battlefield on January 6," Luttig wrote. "The Vice President was not among them."
On January 5, 2021 -- after Pence's lawyer, Richard Cullen, called Luttig asking for help -- Luttig tweeted a statement explaining that the Constitution gave Pence no powers to reject electors and overturn the election, as Trump was demanding. Pence cited the statement in his letter on January 6 explaining why he would defy Trump and certify the election.
Luttig wrote in his statement to the committee: "From their inception, the legal arguments that underlaid the efforts to overturn the 2020 election were, in that context, little more than beguiling and frivolous, perhaps appropriate for academic classroom debate, but singularly inappropriate as counsel to the President of the United States of America in his effort to overturn the presidential election -- an election he had lost fair and square and as to which there was not then, and there is not to this day, evidence of fraud."
Luttig's role pushing back against Trump's efforts to subvert the election were all the more noteworthy because of his stature as a judge in Republican circles. Eastman, who drafted the point-by-point memo claiming Pence could stop the certification on January 6, was a clerk for Luttig.
In his statement, Luttig also warned that the efforts to overturn the election in 2020 amounted to an attack on American democracy, a threat he said continues today thanks to Trump's ongoing claims that election was stolen from him.
"This false and reckless insistence that the former president won the 2020 presidential election has laid waste to Americans' confidence in their national elections," Luttig wrote. "More alarming still is that the former president pledges that his reelection will not be 'stolen' from him next time around, and his Republican Party allies and supporters obeisantly pledge the same."
Luttig also offered a defense of the committee's focus on January 6, warning that "America's democracy was almost stolen from us" and urging the American public to pay attention.
"No American ought to turn away from January 6, 2021," he said, "until all of America comes to grips with what befell our country that day, and we decide what we want for our democracy from this day, forward."
RESPECT FOR THE LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION AND A NEW COMMITMENT TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY!!!!!
THAT WAS NOT FROM ANONYMOUS. IT WAS FROM UNCENSORED PASTOR
Fifty years from now, what will Americans say about Jan. 6?
Historian Michael Beschloss, in Twitter commentary about the hearings, said the answer depends on whether America by then is a democracy or autocracy.“If the latter, the nation’s authoritarian leaders might celebrate January 6 as one of great days in U.S. history,” as Trump has described it now.
He also asked a question that can never be definitively answered.
“What would have happened to our country if the January 6 coup had succeeded?”
The coup is still in progress and unless we succeed!
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IF YOU THINK THIS IS NOT RELEVANT TO ALL OF US YOU REALLY HAVE YOUR HEAD UP YOUR OWN TRUMP ADDLED BOHUNKUS.
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UNCENSORED ROGER:
The coup is still in progress and unless we succeed!
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We WILL succeed! We MUST!
Anonymous UNcensored pastor said...
I DARE YOU TO RESTORE MY LONG POST ON LUTTIG'S REMARKS, YOU COWARD!!!
June 17, 2022 at 6:31 AM
It was 4:30 in the fucking morning for him you stupid child raper
Unlike you and Alky the rest of us have lives
Intermittent explosive disorder (IED) is a mental health disorder that causes a person to experience recurrent aggressive behavioral outbursts that are unwarranted in the given situation. These episodes can involve aggressive, impulsive, and violent behaviors or angry verbal outbursts.
Many people are unfamiliar with IED. However, one study found around 7% of the U.S. population may have the disorder.
Symptoms appear more frequently as the person ages..
Get help 🙏 Scott
rrb said:
Only to an insane psychiatric hospital inmate.
Prosecuting Trump by charging him with crimes that were an acceptable and LEGAL practice for democrats will utterly destroy what little faith remains in the rule of law for rational and sane people.
Personally, I wish the DOJ WOULD charge him. TODAY. I want to watch an actual trial where Trump's legal team utterly fucking destroys the democrats argument with precedent without even breaking a sweat.
The truth is, you fucking assholes don't have a case and you never did, or Trump would've been charged MONTHS ago. And if the Kangaroo Court clown show was so critical to the "survival of our democracy", NBC would never have cut to a fucking golf match.
LOL.
I see the insane howling have only increased by the losers
nobody pays attention to them
other than to laugh
and those with empathy to feel sad for them
not me
ROFLMFAO !!!
Scott, get help. IED can be delayed but it is incurable.
Right. As opposed to what the TDS that afflicts YOU, and almost got people killed.
Video at the link:
A person driving a Volkswagen Jetta slammed into a store selling pro-Trump merchandise in Easton, Massachusetts, on Thursday afternoon, prompting an investigation from local law enforcement officials.
“Police said the Jetta was driven by a 46-year-old man from Raynham, who was transported to Good Samaritan Medical Center for treatment of non-life-threatening injuries,” a local ABC News affiliate reported.
A different local news station reported that the police “took the driver into custody and towed the car from the store.”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/driver-with-apparent-anti-trump-bumper-sticker-on-car-slams-into-trump-store
Child raper...
An example of Cali's lack of intellectual depth. Answer what Luttig says.
It was 4:30 in the fucking morning for him you stupid child raper
Wow shorty....you sure sound like a candidate for IED just like trump....a sure sign of your inadequate ability to live in a society normally......very telling shorty of you projecting typical big man bullshit while having zero evidence of the claim!!!!!
Answer what Luttig says, rrb. He is a much respected Republican judge.
thebradfordfile
https://twitter.com/thebradfordfile/status/1537625230818131986
The worse things get in America, the more cash Biden sends Ukraine.
and the more days of show trials are held
to a dwindling audience
"show trials"
And WHAT a show!!!!!
More to come.
Answer what Luttig says, F Daddy.
He is a much respected Republican judge.
Blogger Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...
Answer what Luttig says, rrb.
Ok pederast.
Luttig disagreed with Jacob, saying the 12th Amendment was clear. But he added that the precedent that Trump and Eastman had used was “historical,” not legal, because Democrats, including Raskin, had objected to past elections on the same basis.
“That was the centerpiece of the plan to overturn the 2020 election. It was the historical precedent, in the years, and with the vice presidents, I named, as Congressman Raskin understands well.”
Jacob also noted that Democrats had tried to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote in 2000, 2004, and 2016. Among those was Raskin himself, who tried to reject Electoral College votes to declare Trump the winner in 2016.
Very weak answer, rrb.
Conservative Judge: Trump Is ‘Clear And Present Danger’ To Democracy
David Badash
June 17 | 2022
Michael Luttig
Retired Judge J. Michael Luttig testified under oath before the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack on Thursday that the former president, Donald Trump, and his MAGA supporters are a “clear and present danger to American democracy.”
Luttig, a highly-respected conservative attorney and a former federal judge on the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, advised then-Vice President Mike Pence that the John Eastman scheme to overturn the 2020 presidential election was illegal.
“I have written, as you said, Chairman Thompson, that today – almost two years after that fateful day in January of 2021 – that still, Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present danger to American democracy.”
“That’s not because of what happened on January 6. Is because to this very day, the former president, his allies and supporters, pledge that in the presidential election of 2024 if the former president or his anointed successor as the Republican Party presidential candidate were to lose that election that they would attempt to overturn that 2024 election in the same way that they attempted to overturn the 2020 election, but succeed in 2024 where they failed in 2020.”
Luttig goes on to say, “I would have never have spoken those words ever in my life except that that’s what the former president and his allies are telling us.”
“The former president and his allies are executing that blueprint for 2024 and open and plain view of the American public.
Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
VIDEO:
https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1537551209720078338
Epic! Must watch
hey weak old white liberals still believe this network
ROFLMFAO !!!
Notice all th cursing Jammie is doing.
So... actually QUOTING Luttig is a "very weak answer" says our resident child rapist.
Right.
Bidenomics
Report on Leading economic indicators is out today.
Should be interesting.
Selective quoting is always weak.
Re 7:22
So you CAN'T answer what Luttig is saying.
Breaking911
VIDEO:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1537545760925007873
WATCH: Pres. Biden ignores questions when asked about his son’s business dealings with Russian oligarch.
“Why have you stopped taking questions from the press,” a journalist shouts. “What are you afraid of?!”
Biden Crime Family
a national embarrassment
and covered up by FAKE NEWS and big tech
and dinosaur democrats
GEORGE CONWAY SAYS
January 6 Hearings Highlight Role of 25th Amendment
June 17, 2022 at 8:26 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 8 Comments
George Conway:
“The hearings of the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection have prompted a great deal of discussion about whether Donald Trump should be criminally charged for his attempted self-coup. You can count me as being on Team Prosecution, but there’s another important issue raised by the hearings: the effective operation of Section 4 of the 25th Amendment to future presidencies.
“It could and should have been invoked to bring Trump’s calamitous presidency to an early and safe end.”
Paxton Suggests Mass Shooting Was Part of God’s Plan
June 17, 2022 at 8:22 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 19 Comments
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) “made another in a string of tone deaf media appearances in the wake of the Uvalde, Texas school shooting,” this time telling a conservative radio host that while it’s difficult for him to offer comfort to the parents of the 19 students killed at Robb Elementary School, he believes “God always has a plan,” the Houston Chronicle reports.
Said Paxton:
“If I had the opportunity to talk to the people I’d have to say, look, there’s always a plan. I believe God always has a plan. Life is short no matter what it is.”
________
What an insensitve thing to say to grieving parents.
Maybe God's "plan" is to try to get us at last to pass more sensible gun legislation? If so, we haven't been listening.
The worse things get in America, the more cash Biden sends Ukraine.
WHY DO YOU HATE DEMOCRACY AND EMBRACE PUTING IDIOT???????? And even sadder, cash is not what they need......praise the lord and pass the ammunition!!!!!!! LOLOLOLO
J6anon
EXPLOSIVE VIDEO:
https://twitter.com/J6anon/status/1537650553156673538
There were multiple reports of Capitol Police throwing two flashbangs into a crowd of completely peaceful American citizens protesting a fraudulent election on J6
It is alleged that these first two flashbangs were thrown into the crowd 15-20 minutes before any violence started.
The Capitol Police started it
no wonder they don't release complete unedited video
and Joes's stormtroopers are rounding these people up
a fascist totalitarian
Jane's kvetching , boring.
Dishonest, indecent, untruthful Rev. said...
GEORGE CONWAY SAYS
So the proud pedo is sticking with his fellow discredited Lincoln Project pedo
figures
What?
"EMBRACE PUTING"
Dan Froomkin/PressWatchers.org ☮️
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1537458529547821056
Researchers combed through 45 million tweets that sowed doubt on the 2020 election. Here are the "top spreaders": https://techpolicy.press/researchers-release-comprehensive-twitter-dataset-of-false-claims-about-the-2020-election/
Robby Starbuck
The National Science Foundation funded this along with far left billionaires. That means the US Government PAID to have a list made smearing Americans for questioning the validity of ballot harvesting and mass mail-in voting. Think about that. This is what communists do.
Ministry of Truth
1984
Joe Biden's Banana Republic
Anonymous said...
What?
"EMBRACE PUTING"
That was VERY lo iq
you need to remember he embraces the suck
and can't advance beyond bleating
Roger's Made up Economic Term Defined.
"Bottom-Up Economics " = Many More Americans live in poverty.
"Cost to finance a new car hits a record $656 per month — and auto shoppers could pay even more with latest Fed rate hikd."
New car prices are up 12.6% from a year ago and used car prices are up 16.1%, according to government data."
James Fucking Daddy.
True.
‘Russia is failing’ in Ukraine and has already ‘strategically lost’ the war, says the head of Britain’s armed forces
Chloe Taylor - 26m ago
And your take on Biden's War?
Do tell us James
take a break
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How goes the Democrat house and Senate investigation into The Release of the Covid 19 bio-weapon upon the US?
And your take on Biden's War?
Do tell us James.
Give to us.
Enjoying Reading about the Obimbo Lost years and Biden Continues .
"Bidenomics Failed the First TimeClaims that he’ll spur growth ignore that his policies are a repeat of the stagnant Obama years." WSJ
We need to acknowledge that that’s where Republicans are: they either subscribe to the big lie outright; or they feel queasy about the specifics of the big lie, but consider Democratic governance illegitimate nonetheless; or, at the very least, they think anything is justified to defeat “the left”. The committee needs to communicate this unsettling reality to the American people, because that, in Judge Luttig’s words, is the “clear and present danger to American democracy.” Even if it initially failed, that’s how Trump’s coup attempt might still succeed.
Bidenomics
Industrial production index May 0.2%
Down unExpectedly steeply from 1.4%.
James has no original thoughts
U.S. regulators on Friday authorized the first COVID-19 shots for infants and preschoolers, paving the way for vaccinations to begin next week.
The Food and Drug Administration's action follows its advisory panel's unanimous recommendation for the shots from Moderna and Pfizer. That means U.S. kids under 5 — roughly 18 million youngsters — are eligible for the shots, about 1 1/2 years after the vaccines first became available in the U.S. for adults, who have been hit the hardest during the pandemic.
There's one step left: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends how to use vaccines and its vaccine advisers are set to discuss the shots Friday and vote on Saturday. A final signoff would come from CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky.
At a Senate hearing Thursday, Walensky said her staff was working over the Juneteenth federal holiday weekend “because we understand the urgency of this for American parents.”
She said pediatric deaths from COVID-19 have been higher than what is generally seen from the flu each year.
Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein noted in a 50th anniversary reflection this month that Trump remains a major force in political life after violations of public trust more shocking than Nixon’s. The reason gets us back to the central truth—the decline of institutional power in media and across society. The Watergate reminiscences make clear that only strong institutions have even a remote chance of bringing presidents to heel. There is no better time than the present for leaders of those institutions to transcend fear and regain confidence.
This was actually posted on the Powerline website. Even they are coming to their senses.
Bidenomics is on every ballot.
Roger's Made up Economic Term Defined.
"Bottom-Up Economics " = Many More Americans live in poverty.
Leading economic indicators May -0.4%
Down, again..
Stocks Rise at Open After Thursday Rout
U.S. stocks opened higher Friday, putting major indexes on course to extend the whipsaw moves that have injected fresh volatility into markets this week.
The S&P 500 rose 0.7% after the opening bell. The Dow Jones Industrial Average added 0.3%, and the Nasdaq Composite climbed 1.4%. All three major indexes fell Thursday, closing at their lowest levels since 2020. Thursday's decline reversed a rally in stocks Wednesday.
Stock indexes are on track to finish the week with sharp losses as investors have tried to assess inflation, central banks' response to it and the outlook for the global economy. The Federal Reserve earlier this week approved the largest interest-rate increase since 1994 and signaled it would continue lifting rates this year at the most rapid pace in decades to fight inflation.
Dow is down 18 %
Roger Cheers
Trump is a domestic enemy. Treat him like one.
Quentin Young, Colorado Newsline
June 17, 2022
The hearings of the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection have already provided conclusive evidence that the effort to overturn the 2020 election was a conspiracy directed by a corrupt sitting president who knew the effort was based on lies and encouraged violence in pursuit of power.
The damning testimony before the committee and the persuasiveness of its case has been widely analyzed. But a frank discussion of accountability for the insurrection has been muted.
There is a reason for this. The gravity of the crime exceeds any an American president has ever been suspected of committing, and the scale of culpability is greater than many citizens are comfortable contemplating.
Another reason, one that puts the country in peril, is that too many Americans continue to support the perpetrators.
Rep. Bennie G. Thompson of Mississippi, the Democratic chairman of the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, set the tone for the hearings a week ago in his opening statement.
“It was domestic enemies of the Constitution who stormed the Capitol and occupied the Capitol who sought to thwart the will of the people to stop the transfer of power,” he said. Later he said, “Ultimately, Donald Trump — the president of the United States — spurred a mob of domestic enemies of the Constitution to march down the Capitol and subvert American democracy … January 6th was the culmination of an attempted coup. … Violence was no accident. It represented Trump’s last stand, most desperate chance to halt the transfer of power.”
Thompson’s use of the phrase “domestic enemies” was deliberate. He noted the Civil War-era adoption of language regarding “all enemies — foreign and domestic” in the federal oath to account for the South’s rebellion.
In other words, the crimes committed by Trump and his co-conspirators are categorically akin to war-waging against the United States.
Americans outside the narrow confines of the media aristocracy find the Stalinist show trial neither urgent nor important.
https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/16/the-corporate-media-aristocracy-is-completely-out-of-touch-on-whats-important-and-urgent/
In other words, the crimes committed by Trump and his co-conspirators are categorically akin to war-waging against the United States.
Right.
But he has yet to be charged/indicted with ANY crime.
So those writing the shit you plagiarize will continue to be viewed as assclowns by us normals, alky.
YouTube Deletes January 6 Video with Clip of Trump Lying
June 17, 2022 at 10:37 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 10 Comments
“The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 riot has been trying to draw more eyes to its televised hearings by uploading clips of the proceedings online. But YouTube has removed one of those videos from its platform, saying the committee was advancing election misinformation,” the New York Times reports.
“The excerpt, which was uploaded June 14, included recorded testimony from former Attorney General William Barr. But the problem for YouTube was that the video also included a clip of former President Donald Trump sharing lies about the election on the Fox Business channel.”
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A video clearly showing Trump lying seemns pretty INforming to me, not MISinforming!
Very weak answer, rrb.
Why is it weak Reverend?
If attempts to delay certification of an election are so illegal that you have to use bold print and capital letters to accent the point...
Then why would it have been okay for Democrats to try to delay the certification on multiple occasions?
Are you really suggesting that it's only illegal if Trump does it?
Many Independents Still Undecided on Midterms
June 17, 2022 at 10:11 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 46 Comments
A new USA Today/Suffolk Poll finds that independent voters now say they would vote for the Republican over the Democrat for Congress, 32% to 27%.
But 40% are undecided, a sign that these key voters haven’t yet made up their minds, or perhaps haven’t yet focused on the election.
They Will Do It Again
June 17, 2022 at 9:49 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 33 Comments
Jonathan Chait:
“The January 6 hearings are about the events of a single day, but they implicate a much broader phenomenon: the Republican Party’s faltering commitment to democracy. The mob attack on Congress a year and a half ago was merely the most grotesque manifestation of Donald Trump’s rejection of democracy, and Trump himself merely the most grotesque manifestation of his party’s authoritarian impulses.
“Nobody should dismiss the importance of Team Normal’s refusal to follow Trump’s conspiracy theories to the barricades, which might have averted a constitutional crisis. But the Republican mainstream has used the existence of Team Normal to dismiss Trump’s effort to overturn the election as little more than a prank gone wrong.
Tim O’Brien:
“Threats to freedom and democracy don’t simply fade away. And avoiding one disaster doesn’t mean you’ve prevented the next one.”
WE ARE GOING TO PREVENT THE NEXT ONE!
New York Post
If the House Jan. 6 committee proceeds to its seemingly predetermined conclusion that President Donald Trump incited the Capitol riot and tried to reverse the results of the 2020 election and if it recommends to the Department of Justice that Trump committed criminal acts and should be prosecuted, President Joe Biden will face a serious choice.
Biden, who promised to unite the country but who most Republicans believe contributed to its division, could either allow the prosecution of the former president to proceed or travel the high road taken by President Gerald Ford when he pardoned President Richard Nixon for acts associated with the Watergate scandal. If Biden chooses the former, the division will likely widen to a chasm not to be repaired for years to come. If he chooses to follow Ford’s example, he would arouse the ire of progressives but might avoid the specter I doubt most rational Americans would wish to see — a former president in court and possibly in prison.
Perhaps a deal could be struck. In exchange for a pardon, Trump would agree not to run for president again.
Trump called Mike Pence a ‘wimp’ and ‘the p-word’ during intense call before Jan. 6 attack: witnessesLetters to the Editor — June 17, 2022Never-before-seen photos of Trump, family in Oval Office on Jan. 6 shown to House committeeRep. Torres wants bill requiring disclosure of presidential pardons requests
It would be difficult for any prosecutor to convince a jury (except in heavily Democratic Washington, DC) that Trump caused the riot by his language. In a sound bite played by the committee, it is true that Trump did urge protesters to go down to the Capitol. True, he seemed to agree with the sign brought by one protester that said, “Hang Mike Pence,” but that is different from giving the order.
One can be disgusted by Trump’s behavior and failure even now to accept the results of the 2020 election — I am — and still not want to see a precedent set that leads to the trial, conviction and imprisonment of a former president. Not only would this add fuel to the political forest fire that is already consuming the country, it would encourage some Republicans to do the same to a future Democratic president. Impeachment and indictments would become a norm, not an exception.
Even The New York Post doesn't agree with Scott IED
Are you really suggesting that it's only illegal if Trump does it?
You're talking to a guy who insists that Tucker Carlson be executed for treason.
Read ALL that Judge Luttig said and you will SEE how weak it was, Ch.
That is, assuming you still have a few centimeters left of a thinking brain.
lol
I once satirically said Tucker Carlson should be taken out to an early morning firing squad and executed without benefit or cigarette or blindhold for his blatantly treasonous remarks.
rrb thinks that's hihgly significant,.
heh heh heh
Hey pedo brain volume isn’t measured in units of length.
Stupid old fool
James admits he can't answer CHT , nor refute RRB's , stronger retort.
Then why are some people referred to as "birdbrained?"
lol
A Few Thoughts for the End of the Week from Taegan Goddard:
"The January 6 Committee hearings have far surpassed my expectations. The testimony is riveting and the narrative the panel is constructing is very tight and compelling.
"And, so far, the committee has only used evidence only from those very close to Donald Trump."
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SO GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT IS YET TO COME!
The other Scott Johnson Powerline is a classic fascist too!
How about a congressional investigation of the perversion of our law enforcement and intelligence agencies in the service of the Russia hoax intended to take out Donald Trump? The FBI, FISA, and the FISA court should be shut down until we get some answers about the abuse of the law in the service of the hoax.
Mousolini and Adolf Hitler did the exact same thing.
Trump is a domestic enemy. Treat him like one. And James and I will do the same thing here until he gets committed into a nursing home.
stronger retort?
Where?
Still not reference to a unit of length, dumbass
Democrats to try to delay the certification on multiple occasions because in most cases mailed ballots are not counted until election day.
The 2,000 movie 🎬 brainwashed him
lol A bird's brain it pretty short.
Alky is a fucking serial plagiarist. Treat him like one...
Trump is a domestic enemy. Treat him like one.
https://www.azmirror.com/2022/06/16/trump-is-a-domestic-enemy-treat-him-like-one/
Thanks for the link. Good article.
From an actual non-partisan legal expert:
Tribe further predicted that Attorney General Merrick Garland would criminally charge Donald Trump.
If so, Garland may want to consult with other experts before including this particular charge. Tribe’s suggestion that Trump could be prosecuted for attempted murder on this evidence is utter nonsense.
The Select Committee has not made such a claim but has promised that a criminal conspiracy will be established by the hearings. That evidence may still be forthcoming, but that case has not been made in my view in the last three hearings. There have been new videotapes and testimony supporting what we already knew: that Trump was told that the election fraud claims were unsupported and that he continued to assert a theory about Pence’s authority that most of us rejected as unfounded. The testimony has been powerful and gut-wrenching. Yet, there has to be more direct and substantial links to the violence to offer a compelling basis for prosecution.
https://jonathanturley.org/2022/06/17/without-any-doubt-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt-beyond-any-doubt-tribe-declares-trump-committed-attempted-murder/
People like Turley and McCarthy remain the adults in the room... and are the only ones willing to consider precedent, the law, the facts, and the reality that Garland is facing.
Trump did NOT incite a riot.
His words to walk "peacefully" to the Capital can be edited out by the Jan 6th commission (as they dishonestly did)... but Garland cannot edit them out in a trial.
There has been no establishment of Criminal intent.
Again, Trump's own actions and words even today make it damned clear that he believed and still believes that there was election fraud and that it could be (or should be found). Ironically the recent exposure of ballot harvesting schemes and guilty pleas of people committing fraud strengthens his argument.
Garland cannot (as the Jan 6th commission is doing) rely on second hand opinions on how someone else believed Trump felt or should have felt about that subject. None of that would be allowed at a trial.
Garland would NEED to have proof that Trump himself stated that he believed that there was no election fraud, that he lost fair and square, but was determined to overturn things anyways. He would need to get either Trump on the stand to admit it. Provide multiple witnesses who heard Trump say this very specifically. Or he would need some sort allowable audio of this.
This is where people do not understand the difference between what a political hearing is allowed to do and what a prosecutor is allowed to do.
It is also why media experts and never right scholars like Tribe seem to have 180 degree differing opinions than actual prosecutors like McCarthy or people like Turley. They are willing to consider the limitations to what a prosecutor can and cannot take to trial.
Cronyn the fraud walks out on gun deal and flies home!!!!!!!!!!! Another dark day for the GOP as he throws a hissy fit !!!!!!!
That declaration of Donald Trump as the next president would have plunged America into what I believe would’ve been tantamount to a revolution within a constitutional crisis in America, which in my view, and I am only one man, would’ve been the first constitutional crisis since the founding of the Republic.” — Judge Michael Luttig
Take a moment consider this. This is not the hair-on-fire, over-wrought, frantic hyperbole of Resistance Twitter.
The warning about “a revolution within a constitutional crisis,” didn’t come from Rachel Maddow, the guys who run Pod Save America, the NYT’s editorial page, or the usual prophets of Armageddon.
This was Michael Luttig, a conservative’s conservative; a former federal appeals court judge, who was on George Bush’s short-list for the Supreme Court.
Unfortunately, because we are all doomed to spend eternity in middle school, much of the buzz yesterday focused on how slowly Luttig spoke.
Another adult who is speaking about reality...
Also, despite the staff assistance they may get from experienced prosecutors (there are several working for the January 6 committee), congressional committees are not steeped in criminal law. The reporting on the basis for the January 6 panel’s assumption that sufficient evidence has been gathered to warrant a referral of Trump indicates that the committee’s grasp of the crimes at issue is tenuous.
And then there is the matter of comparative risk. In recommending charges, congressional partisans have everything to gain and nothing to lose. When they make provocative criminal allegations, they score political points, but no one expects them to prove their claims. It is the executive branch that bears the burdens of prosecution, grappling with complexities of the case and the fact that evidence sometimes writes more compellingly in a political referral than it plays out in the adversarial test of a criminal trial.
Further, the DOJ, unlike congressional committees, must go through a second layer of analysis in exercising prosecutorial discretion. Even if there may technically be a potential crime, the offense may not meet the DOJ’s standards, such that charging it would leave prosecutors open to charges of selective prosecution and politicized enforcement. Or there may be other public interests that weigh against charging — for example, bringing a weak or legally dubious case in an electoral context would intrude law enforcement into politics and invite payback when, eventually, the other party is back in power.
Apparently, committee sources told the Times that they believe they had proof of Trump “conspiring to defraud the American people.” There is no such crime — and many politicians should be grateful for that, including several January 6 committee Democrats.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/06/the-january-6-committees-criminal-referral-kerfuffle/
For adults who want an objective adult opinion.
If you are whining sniveling child who believes Trump is the devil. Don't waste your time. Way over your childish brainwashed head!
The article even touches on the Judge who suggested that Trump committed a crime:
In a later post, I’ll have more to say about Judge Carter’s 44-page opinion and the peculiar process by which it came about. For now, suffice it to say that the decision is not from a criminal case. It came in the context of civil litigation over Trump lawyer John Eastman’s effort to block the committee from access to subpoenaed emails. These comprised communications about Trump’s legal strategy for overturning Biden’s election victory.
Eastman invoked the attorney–client privilege (ACP). As a result, one narrow question for the court was whether the so-called crime/fraud exception to the ACP applied. Under that exception, the ACP does not protect lawyer/client communications that are in furtherance of illegal or fraudulent schemes. The burden of proof for such questions is not onerous: the civil law’s preponderance of the evidence standard — in this instance, was it “more likely true than not” that Trump and Eastman had engaged in a crime?
Carter concluded it was likely that they had committed the crime of conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding (i.e., to impede the January 6 joint session at which state electoral votes were to be counted and Joe Biden’s victory acknowledged). That is one of the main criminal charges brought against many of the Capitol riot defendants. Significantly, Carter did not draw any conclusions under the criminal law’s demanding burden of proof. That is, he neither made nor was asked to make a finding that there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump (or anyone else) was guilty of a crime. Again, he employed the civil-preponderance standard. Plus, Carter made his ruling on a sparse record. Trump was not a party to the lawsuit, and thus did not have counsel presenting a defense and challenging the crime/fraud claim. Clearly, it would be far more difficult for prosecutors to convict Trump of this charge in a criminal jury trial, than it was for the committee to convince a sympathetic judge that he is “probably” guilty in a civil proceeding where Trump had no opportunity to defend himself.
It's a good read...
Luttig, Luttig, Luttig
Luttig, Luttig, Luttig
Luttig, Luttig, Luttig
Luttig, Luttig, Luttig
Luttig, Luttig, Luttig
Geezus alky, you're acting like a fucking lunatic. Thank God for the rest of us you're incarcerated in a psychiatric hospital.
"roger said , " stocks rise "
Uhm
"29,876.14 −50.93 (0.17%)today
For adults who want an objective adult opinion.
WHICH CERTAINLY EXCLUDES YOU LIL SCHITTY AS OBJUCTIVE IS A SUBJECT THAT YOU HAVE ABANDONED,,,,,,,Just like logic and facts......BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
The select committee has long emphasized its belief that Trump’s actions amounted to a crime. It asked U.S. District Court Judge David Carter in March to invalidate Eastman’s claims of attorney-client privilege over thousands of emails, in part by suggesting some fell under the “crime-fraud” exception. Carter agreed, and issued a ruling — cited over and over again by the committee in its first three public hearings — saying Trump and Eastman “likely” entered into a criminal conspiracy to obstruct Congress.
That ruling laid out a blueprint for the panel’s potential criminal case against Trump.
However, DOJ on Thursday suggested the select committee was actually impeding its efforts to investigate the Capitol attack. In a blistering letter dated June 15, senior department leaders accused the Jan. 6 panel of complicating its work via a “failure” to provide prosecutors access to more than 1,000 transcripts of witness interviews. The frustration goes both ways, as the select committee has vented about the department’s refusal to act on criminal contempt referrals of key witnesses in their investigation.
Pence’s team says Trump lied about ‘agreement’ with V.P. on election
It’s unclear what effect the rift will have on either side’s efforts. The select committee intends to keep investigating in the coming months and is unlikely to share its witness transcripts until they conclude, Thompson has indicated. DOJ has agreed to postpone its premiere seditious conspiracy case against the leaders of the Proud Boys until December, citing “prejudice” caused by the select committee’s public hearings.
DOJ has indicated it would share those transcripts with defense attorneys as soon as it receives them, a factor that the select committee may be considering as it decides when to share its evidence.
Thompson signaled the panel would not provide transcripts yet but would eventually turn them over.
“That does not mean that we’re not going to cooperate. We got the letter yesterday. We’ve interviewed over 1,000 witnesses,” he told reporters. “We will eventually cooperate with them.”
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The bottom line is that the Capitol building insurrection was the most dangerous situation in our history.
Over the next few weeks, I suspect that The Attorney General Merrick Garland will open up a Grand Jury investigation into Donald Trump and Eastman. Trump will either pledge not to run for President again.
Or if he is charged and convicted by a jury of his peers, President Biden might not pardon him 🙄.
We need a precident for future Presidential candidates.
The real bottom line Roger is that anyone who still thinks trump is guiltless inciting the DC riots and planned it with MANY GOP slurpers needs to wake up!!!!! Lil Schittty keeps harping that nothing new is coming out.....If that is the case.....his opinion that trump did not lose the election is as phony as his expertise in law!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Funny all the witnesses presented to us are R"S with an agenda of keeping power who somehow are now being truthful......More to come and even an indictment or 2!!!!!
Hi Denny, hope you are are well as you deserve.
So Biden wants all cars sold in the US to be electric by 2030. I can't help but notice that our grids are already maxed out. The cars don't make it. They store it. Where the hell is all the electricity going to come from?
Roger...
Does Luttig have something other than an opinion?
Does he have audio or first hand knowledge of the President claiming he was acting on corrupt intent? Does he have first hand knowledge of the President specifically calling for specific people to commit violence where those specific people would have heard and been able to heed that call?
Because his "opinion" is quite literally "worthless" in terms of a criminal prosecution.
Worthless, worthless, and more worthless.
What he needs to bring forward is EVIDENCE!
What evidence does he have?
Does Luttig have something other than an opinion?
And a pretty good record to boot......I imagine he has reviewed all the data he can and his opinions are well founded in fact....something that cannot be said about yours, Lil Schitty!!!!!! Sorry sport, but if you ask me Trumps exposure to being proved the most corrupt and manipulative leader ever is getting pretty deep.....and no much how much word salad you toss can deflect that!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
This is funny in a sad way.
"President Joe Biden told The Associated Press on Thursday that the American people are "really, really down" and, "volatility in the economy" and "now surging gasoline prices that are slamming family budgets."
With "Food prices up".
What evidence does he have?CHT asked
Denny answer = crickets
So stop jerking off and charge Trump already, BWAA.
Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one, and like you, some are one.
You, the alky and the pederast can plagiarize every fucking left wing op/ed under the fucking sun, but until you charge Trump with an actual crime, you're just jerking off and the rest of us are just laughing at you.
Outside of your little circle jerk no one fucking cares. I just dropped $97.00 to fill up my truck. I can easily afford it, but those around me were fucking PISSED.
THAT'S what matters to Americans right now. Not some fucking Marxist Kangaroo Court.
RRB, yep, used to get gas without much conversation, other then a howdy, now , the conversations are lengthy and put the cause if it, on Bidens Policies.
Remember how Magical all those energy crushing Day #1 Executive Orders were, how the Three Socialist Stooges of CHT Cheered.
I Thundig Vorg sparg challenged Elon Musk to mortal combat a number of months ago - on this channell HE DECLINED I now claim 250 billion dollars reward....
vector chanell communication pay or be obliterated!!!!
Yep over $60 for my Lexus yesterday used to be mid $30’s
November is coming
Do any of the liberals realize...
That Garland could not charge Trump with a crime, put him on trial...
and then call a bunch of "legal experts" to suggest that they believe he committed a crime? Literally nothing they say as a matter of opinion would be admissible to a criminal jury trial.
A prosecutor is REQUIRED to bring evidence. Opinions are not evidence. Unless any of these so called "experts" have actual evidence to go along with their opinions, they could not be called as witnesses.
Only a partisan political hearing is allowed to pull this sort of nonsense...
As in not follow the rules of prosecution... and quite obviously not allow Trump to provide any sort of defense or even allow any Republicans who might provide any sort of defense to even take part.
November is coming
I've never seen so many people in NY - the deepest of deep blue states - so fucking pissed and so vocal about it.
And these are people who voted for the dumb fuck.
Mike Pence has the opportunity to put a stake through the heart of the man who abused him and left him for dead. That chance is right now. Before this committee.
He could testify in front of the entire world and with the eyes of history upon him that Donald Trump was a traitor to America who spurred on a mob in an illegal attempt to stay in power. It would be a moment that would reverberate for ages.
Mike Pence may no longer be working under an oath that requires such testimony, but he nevertheless has a duty to his country to speak the whole truth and let the chips fall where they may.
Blogger C.H. Truth said...
Do any of the liberals realize...
That Garland could not charge Trump with a crime, put him on trial...
and then call a bunch of "legal experts" to suggest that they believe he committed a crime? Literally nothing they say as a matter of opinion would be admissible to a criminal jury trial.
In a word - NO.
Their TDS is THAT strong. THAT impervious to logic and reason.
It's a recurring theme with the left, and its roots can be found right here.:
Invincible Ignorance Fallacy
The invincible ignorance fallacy,[1] also known as argument by pigheadedness,[2] is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word. The method used in this fallacy is either to make assertions with no consideration of objections or to simply dismiss objections by calling them excuses, conjecture, etc. or saying that they are proof of nothing, all without actually demonstrating how the objection fit these terms. It is similar to the ad lapidem fallacy, in which the person rejects all the evidence and logic presented, without providing any evidence or logic that could lead to a different conclusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_ignorance_fallacy
He could testify in front of the entire world and with the eyes of history upon him that Donald Trump was a traitor to America who spurred on a mob in an illegal attempt to stay in power. It would be a moment that would reverberate for ages.
So again...
You want Pence to provide testimony that is not evidence, but of some personal belief that you believe he has that Trump is a "traitor"?
Better get him before the committee...
Because such theatrics are not allowed in any criminal trial.
Blogger Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
Mike Pence has the opportunity to put a stake through the heart of the man who abused him and left him for dead. That chance is right now. Before this committee.
The flaw in your "logic"(LOL) is that nothing that Pence can say can be interpreted as or result in Trump being charged with a crime. It's only his opinion.
It doesn't matter who it is - Pence, Luttig, the Fucking Tooth Fairy... it's still only opinion and hearsay.
Your inability to grasp this most fundamental concept should come as a surprise to exactly no one.
Indy Voter was right about you.
It would be a moment that would reverberate for ages.
What's going to reverberate for ages is how millions of Americans have to choose between gasoline and food.
Your clown show? Not so much.
The alky is stealing from the Leftist Iranian billionaire's newsletter again -
https://www.thebulwark.com/mike-pence-needs-to-finish-the-job-and-testify-before-the-1-6-committee/
Here is the funny thing....
Two Trump favorability polls (both taken 100% after the Thursday night prime time hearing) shows him improving in his favorability in comparison to the previous polls earlier in June.
The two pollsters... YouGov and Politico... two of the most left leaning pollsters out there. Even they did not show any real damage done by the "Prime time hearings" that were absolute game changers!
And here’s the Yahoo/YouGov poll
As inflation keeps rising and recession fears loom, a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll shows that Joe Biden is currently in the worst shape of his presidency.
The survey of 1,541 U.S. adults, which was conducted from June 10-13, found that if another presidential election were held today, more registered voters say they would cast ballots for Donald Trump (44%) than for Biden (42%) — even though the House Jan. 6 committee has spent the last week linking Trump to what it called a “seditious conspiracy” to overturn the 2020 election and laying the groundwork for possible criminal prosecution.
LOL
With 1,000 interviews and some 140,000 documents, the committee is showing how Trump’s false claims of election fraud became a battle cry as he summoned thousands of Americans to Washington and then Capitol Hill.
Thursday’s hearing unpacked the Eastman plan to have the states send alternative slates of electors from states Trump was disputing, including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. With competing slates for Trump or Biden, Pence would be forced to reject them, returning them to the states to sort it out, under the plan.
The panel played video showing Eastman repeatedly invoking his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination while being interviewed by the committee.
More than 800 people have been arrested in the Capitol siege, including members of extremist groups facing rare sedition charges over their roles in the Capitol attack.
The panel is considering whether to send a referral for criminal charges against Trump to the Justice Department. No president or former president has ever been indicted by the Justice Department, and Attorney General Merrick Garland has said he and his team are following the proceedings in Congress.
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Several members of Congress are also under scrutiny, and the panel is also probing several candidates for elected office who were among the rioters.
In a letter earlier this week, the Justice Department warned the committee it is complicating the federal investigation and requested transcripts of all witness interviews the panel has conducted.
The panel, which is expected to deliver a final report on its findings later this year, intends for its work to be a record for history of the most violent attack on the Capitol since the War of 1812.
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With 1,000 interviews and some 140,000 documents, the committee is showing how Trump’s false claims of election fraud became a battle cry as he summoned thousands of Americans to Washington and then Capitol Hill.
Wow...
Wouldn't have expected Trump's favorability to go up after all this... now would you?
Of course, given the committee is simply repeating their same impeachment hearing claims only with bold font and capital letters... I guess it falls on deaf ears for a lot of Americans who are more interested in the "non-Trump" version of a Jan 6th commission.
The panel, which is expected to deliver a final report on its findings later this year, intends for its work to be a record for history of the most violent attack on the Capitol since the War of 1812.
The bombing of the Senate outer chamber in the 80's by radical leftists was far worse than J6, but it's your stupid fucking narrative alky.
At least you're consistent. You never let the facts get in the way of a good line of leftist bullshit.
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