Some apparently believe that this is how the FBI "found" the documents???
Seriously? There are people literally arguing that Donald Trump left documents with classifications laying semi-organized on the floor? I guess he even put up little helpful signs (like 2A) to make sure that people would know what was there. Apparently never occurred to them that the agents might have organized this and spread it out this way in order to take a picture?
I mean... there is stupid... and then there is TDS stupid.
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As usual circumstances, you believe that he didn’t do anything wrong
TLS
DOJ and FBI.
Verified The Biden Diary as being real.
George Conway is absolutely correct. Donald Trump is not sane anymore.
Donald Trump on Truth Social: “Terrible the way the FBI, during the Raid of Mar-a-Lago, threw documents haphazardly all over the floor (perhaps pretending it was me that did it!), and then started taking pictures of them for the public to see. Thought they wanted them kept Secret? Lucky I Declassified!”
George Conway: “Not a parody. Evidence of guilt, and of a highly disordered personality.”
As usual you believe that the Deep State is still trying to get rid of Trump.
Your tribalism is in control.
KD.
Real Diary
DOJ/FBI confirmed Ashley Biden , Diary is real.
She said Pres. JOE , HER dad, showered with her.
You believe legalinsurrection.com
Their final comments are
Of course, this gives the government sole determination of what might or might not be privileged in the first instance, and only invokes court review if the government designates a document as potentially privileged. It also does not screen for material beyond the scope of the warrant or extraneous to the alleged potential crimes cited in the warrant. A document containing Trump’s political plans and communications with political advisors on how best to counter the Biden administration would be open to review, unless and until a Special Master is appointed.
He has a day or two to respond. It is unlikely that the judge he had appointed will support him.
You believe legalinsurrection.com
You mean William Jacobson? The Cornell Law Professor? The man who graduated Summa cum laude and has JD from Harvard Law and was student editor of the Harvard Law Journal?
Are you asking me if I believe him over the George Conway?
George Conway: “Not a parody. Evidence of guilt, and of a highly disordered personality.”
Says the fat clown who prides himself as a grooming member in good standing of the North American Man-Boy Lincoln Association.
LOL @ the alky.
KD.
Roger's Axios.
"Why meat is so expensive right now
Eat your veggies, beat inflation.
By Kenny Torrella on June 7, 2022 8:00 am"
See Socialist Solution.
Enjoy Life Less.
As usual you believe that the Deep State is still trying to get rid of Trump.
And as usual, you believe that "WE REALLY GOT HIM THIS TIME!!!11!" incident number 4,759.
Read the Wall Street Journal article
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-legal-team-faces-rising-stakes-from-obstruction-allegations-11661960766?st=f2egb2m9vlb7y5f&reflink=share_mobilewebshare
If true he is in danger
KD.
LA Times warning ⚠️
"California’s energy grid will be strained by brutal Labor Day weekend heat wave, operators warn."
So , where will the electricity come from when 3,000,000 more EV's go to plug in?
KD,
ADP employment report Aug.132,000, down 136,000 from last month.
Here is the problem Roger...
If they go to court and the judge in question follows the USSC decisions and other realities...
Current presidents can classify documents as long as they can “make a plausible argument that it is related to national security.” On the other hand, the president “doesn’t have to give any reason for declassifying” information, according to McClanahan.
“He can just say, ‘I decide that this should be declassified,’ and it’s declassified,” McClanahan said.
A 2009 executive order directs the head of a government agency that originally deemed information classified to oversee its declassification, and sets some rules for that process. But those protocols outlined in the executive order don’t apply to the president, McClanahan said.
However, presidents generally follow an informal protocol when declassifying documents, Richard Immerman, a historian and professor at Temple University, told VERIFY.
In fact the 2009 Obama EO explicitly exempts both the President and Vice President from having to to through any formal process to declassify something.
If the President said he declassified those documents when he was President... then those documents are declassified and the FBI cannot state differently.
The FBI has zero authority over a President when it comes to classifications.
That is the argument that Garland will ignore in the court of public opinion and the single most important reason that he will "not" press charges.
Scott, The filing said: “That the FBI recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the ‘diligent search’ that the former president’s counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform, calls into serious question the representations made in the 3 June certification.”
His lawyers are in danger of being disbarred because they lied under oath.
If they had been declassified...
Then they were not lying, were they?
Blogger Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
Scott, The filing said: “That the FBI recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the ‘diligent search’ that the former president’s counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform, calls into serious question the representations made in the 3 June certification.”
His lawyers are in danger of being disbarred because they lied under oath.
Imbecile,
The President, every President, is the ultimate arbiter and retains the supreme and ultimate authority to declare whatever the fuck he wants DE-FUCKING-CLASSIFIED.
Joey Shit-For-Brains does not have the power to rescind that privilege retroactively/after the fact.
His lawyers were NOT lying because Trump had already exercised his authority to declassify the documents.
Another one of your "bombshell, walls are closing in, we really got him this time!!!" fantasies has just turned to shit AGAIN.
Scott, they were classified.
The photo shows the cover pages of a smattering of paperclip-bound classified documents — some marked as "TOP SECRET//SCI" with bright yellow borders, and one marked as "SECRET//SCI" with a rust-colored border — along with whited-out pages, splayed out on a carpet at Mar-a-Lago. Beside them sits a cardboard box filled with gold-framed pictures, including a Time magazine cover.
Anonymous said...
DOJ and FBI.
Verified The Biden Diary as being real.
so is the FAKE NEWS media now "showering" him with questions ?
oh, never mind. Biden is scared to face any real questions
guess he will be like Epstein's customers the FBI is protecting
don't ask, don't tell
Roger...
Are you saying that the 2009 Executive Order written by Barack Obama was not valid? Are you saying that BaracK Obama is a stupid man who doesn't understand classifications?
But of course... Obama is not a genius like you!
Of course you are smarter than him in regards to classifications..
other than you do not understand that something "marked" classified can still be "unclassified" by the President.
Oh wait..
That's right.
Obama was wrong!
Roger is smarter!
Knows more!
A genius way above Obama, Trump or any President!!!!
Roger...
Exactly "why" do you believe you are smarter than Obama?
C.H. Truth said...
Roger...
Exactly "why" do you believe you are smarter than Obama?
Did you know roger can read much faster than obama ?
and the DOJ can post lengthier responses than necessary ?
VERY impressive
more is better
look at roger's cut-and-pastes
lengthier than anyone else's
"winning"
"smarter"
"genius"
ROFLMFAO !!!
Blogger Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
Scott, they were classified.
No they weren't. Trump declared them declassified. Period. Full stop.
The photo shows the cover pages of a smattering of paperclip-bound classified documents — some marked as "TOP SECRET//SCI" with bright yellow borders, and one marked as "SECRET//SCI" with a rust-colored border — along with whited-out pages, splayed out on a carpet at Mar-a-Lago
Imbecile - that doesn't matter. They could be marked with "GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU FUCKING MORON" and Trump can, with a sweep of the hand and a verbal UN-FUCK that entire pile that the Famous But Incompetent crew used for their cute little photo op.
I've actually read Navy v Egan (rather than Egan v Navy) and it explicitly states that the President has this authority...
In fact the court almost "mocks" the idea that a President answers to other people in the government on classifications:
The President, after all, is the "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States." U.S.Const., Art. II, § 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant.
This was a case where this person Egan felt he had a "right" to a certain classification level and felt he was being treated unfairly. But the ultimate authority was granted to the Executive branch through the President.
The ruling further refers to Presidents writing Executive Orders as it pertains to how classifications work. The ruling (again) explicitly provides that those orders are valid and come from the President's constitutional powers as CIC.
So if the President is the one who decides how classifications work and if the President says that you have to stand on your head before viewing classified documents, every member of the DOJ and FBI would have to do so... who is the FBI to tell a President that he was not handling classified documents correctly?
And of course... Obama's own Executive order not only exempted himself from having to go through "any" process at all to declassify something, it also excepted the Vice President.
This is why this case will never go to a court... they might be able to fool the liberal public with all of this. But if this gets into the legal and constitutional arguments about classifications and the President's ability to control it... and gets into Federal appeals courts (who will have to abide by their own precedents)....
Well they will lose.
In fact, they literally stand no chance.
You know what?
I take that back...
Garland "could" take it to court, thinking he would get a friendly TDS liberal DC judge who refuses to allow any of these constitutional arguments and then a liberal DC jury and that they would ignore the law and find him guilty.
But he would lose on appeal.
But of course, if he lost on appeal, the idiot liberals who don't know any better would demand that it was conservative Justices who were falsely and unfairly protecting Trump and would use it as more calls to "pack the courts" with more idiots who want to ignore the constitution.
I thought declassified documents cannot still have the marking "classified" on them.
Or Top Secret or extra Top Secret.
Meanwhile...
Roger continues to add more and more comments with links that say the exact same thing... over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
I am chuckling. If Obama had done any of this...
Oh yeah, You try to say he did, but he didn't.
The alky actually believes the DOJ/FBI can over-rule a former President in determining what's classified and what's not classified.
Behold the power of Stage IV Trump Derangement Syndrome. There is no known cure, but treatment options include full 24/7/356 lockdown in a psychiatric hospital.*
*Private room extra, but possible room/inmates have been known to include those who fancy themselves the 5th member of The Beatles.
Blogger C.H. Truth said...
Meanwhile...
Roger continues to add more and more comments with links that say the exact same thing... over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
The pie-eyed putz needs to take up permanent residence on the hospice blog with the pederast.
DOJ mapped out strong obstruction evidence against Trump, aides in filing, experts say
DOJ mapped out strong obstruction evidence against Trump, aides in filing, experts say
DOJ mapped out strong obstruction evidence against Trump, aides in filing, experts say
DOJ mapped out strong obstruction evidence against Trump, aides in filing, experts say
DOJ mapped out strong obstruction evidence against Trump, aides in filing, experts say
DOJ mapped out strong obstruction evidence against Trump, aides in filing, experts say
DOJ mapped out strong obstruction evidence against Trump, aides in filing, experts say
DOJ mapped out strong obstruction evidence against Trump, aides in filing, experts say
DOJ mapped out strong obstruction evidence against Trump, aides in filing, experts say
Lola
If Garland decides to prosecute Trump, he will wait until next year.
I thought declassified documents cannot still have the marking "classified" on them.
Really?
If a President declassifies them to take them with him...
Does he have to wait till someone comes and gives him new documents without the markings?
Do you really feel that "red tape" like this exists in order to somehow entrap a President into being charged with a crime for not waiting for the new paperwork or something?
You really don't understand that the PRESIDENT (all Presidents including Trump) are and have always been the ultimate authority on this. They do not answer to anyone else.
The only reason that this is being done is because Trump is an "ex-President" who wants to run for President again.
Reverend...
Are you claiming that President Obama did not write the executive order in 2009 that exempted the President and Vice President from the classification/declassification procedures he set forward?
Is that your claim here?
It simply is not true?
What are you arguing?
Other than trying to show us your lack of logic?
Just 5 1/2 more days cold until Roger leaves
Unless Trump is convicted
LOL
What are you arguing?
Neither the pederast or the alky are 'arguing' anything.
They've been reduced to 'wish casting.'
Wishcasting:
Noun. wishcasting (usually uncountable, plural wishcastings) The act of interpreting information or a situation in a way that casts it as favorable or desired, despite the fact that there is no evidence for such a conclusion; a wishful forecast.
They've been smoked so many times on the "We really got him this time!!!11!" gambit, and they're so fucking afraid of running against him again, this really is their hill to die on. This is one last gasp to kill the bad orange man.
The FBI has top men, TOP MEN...
TOOELE, Utah — A man who works for the Federal Bureau of Investigation was arrested last week and charged with molesting multiple children.
Robert Alexander Smith, 65, faces four 1st-degree felony counts of aggravated sexual abuse of a child, four class-A misdemeanor counts of lewdness involving a child, and two class-B misdemeanor counts of lewdness.
https://www.fox13now.com/news/crime/utah-fbi-employee-charged-with-sexually-abusing-multiple-children
Shut it down.
Fire them all.
Cancel all pensions and benefits.
DisHonest, indecent, untruthful and ignorant Rev. said...
I thought declassified documents cannot still have the marking "classified" on them.
wrong again, ever hear of copies or is that too new fangled
I think the "pastor" and roger deserve each other
"brilliant"
ROFLMFAO !!!
Long-term con: Obamacare was ‘paid for’ by nationalizing student loans
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/long-term-con-obamacare-was-paid-for-by-nationalizing-student-loans
He can't declassify documents essentially after January 20th
James, you are waisting your time
He can't declassify documents essentially after January 20th
Nobody said he could.
But he moved those documents while he was still President.
And let's be serious...
Are we going to bicker and argue over petty paperwork and timing arguments.
Think about it.
You want to charge a President of the United States with a crime?
You really going to do it over a document dispute?
Well Rog...
If the Reverend is trying to convince us that he knows more about classification than the USSC justices....
Then yeah. He is wasting his time!
Blogger Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
He can't declassify documents essentially after January 20th
Show us where that's even part of the discussion or the case, alky.
You can't because it is NOT.
You should go to work for the DOJ since now you're just making shit up as you go along to support your wish-casting narrative.
California will ban gas powered cars by 2035
yesterday, please cut energy usage
LOL
The president's ridiculous press secretary is getting hammered...as she should...for claiming that immigrants are not walking across the border. Wtf. The bullshit they keep putting out is an outrage. And DC democrats and the liberal media ignore it.
KD.
As time grows short for Roger on this blog.
Maybe he will tell ushow he is using less electricity.
"Residents will be asked to turn up their thermostats to 78 degrees or higher, avoid using dishwashers or other large appliances, and hold off on charging their electric vehicles, all during the 4-9 p.m. time frame."
California does have the power to run what people want.
KD.
4 1/2 Days left and bye 👋 bye 👋 Roger.
I will miss Roger always being so spectacularly wrong.
CNBC reports.
"Powell says he can't guarantee a 'soft landing' as the Fed looks to control inflation".
So , Roger is always spectacularly wrong in all thinks economic.
KD.
As time grows short for Roger on this blog.
Maybe he will tell ushow he is using less electricity.
"Residents will be asked to turn up their thermostats to 78 degrees or higher, avoid using dishwashers or other large appliances, and hold off on charging their electric vehicles, all during the 4-9 p.m. time frame
Well Roger doesn’t have that little key for the HVAC lockbox, no dishwasher or any appliances for that matter and an electric car?
LOL
WSJ NEWS EXCLUSIVEMIDTERM ELECTION 2022
Democratic Midterm Prospects Improve as Races Heat Up, WSJ Poll Finds
Independent voters, a key to victory in competitive general elections, are now tilting toward Democrats
By John McCormick
Sept. 1, 2022 5:30 am ET
Democrats are entering the homestretch before November’s election in better shape than earlier this year, boosted by gains among independent voters, improved views of President Biden and higher voting enthusiasm among abortion-rights supporters, a Wall Street Journal poll shows.
Republicans have electoral fuel to tap into if they can keep the debate focused on the economy and what has been the highest inflation in four decades. Nearly two-thirds of registered voters say the economy isn’t good or poor—a larger share than in the last Journal survey, in March—and close to two-thirds say the pain of higher costs makes them more likely to cast a ballot.
Democrats hold a slight edge over Republicans, 47% to 44%, when voters are asked which party they would support in their congressional district if the election were held today, a lead that is within the poll’s margin of error of plus or minus 2.7 percentage points. Republicans had a five-point advantage in March.
The Democratic gains come from increased support among independents, women and younger voters. Black and Hispanic voters, who have traditionally favored Democrats heavily, are also more solidly supportive of the party than they were earlier this year.
Among political independents, typically the key to victory in close elections, more voters now favor a Democratic candidate for Congress than a Republican, 38% to 35%. In March, Republicans led among independents by 12 percentage points.
The bottom line is that the former President is going to give the Democrats both houses
https://www.wsj.com/articles/democratic-midterm-prospects-improve-as-races-heat-up-wsj-poll-finds-11662024601?st=1koacjby5b6mpit&reflink=share_mobilewebshare
I mean... there is stupid... and then there is GOP stupid. !!!!!!
Fixed it for you Scotty as Palin again proves why she should just stay in Alaska as D's over perform in an election!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Another reason the GOP is going down the shitter in a hand basket!!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
(Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Republicans are readying lawsuits to block Biden’s student debt plan
GOP attorneys general, top lawmakers and conservative groups are discussing legal options, alleging the White House’s move to cancel student debt is illegal.
KD.
As time grows short for Roger on this blog.
Maybe he will tell ushow he is using less electricity.
I guess it will either be because the clock ticked to zero or California turns out the lights
in the middle of a heat wave
Scott, the indictment will happen after the November elections.
All the evidence indicates a true threat of our nation security.
It will happen before Christmas day.
Even Lindsey Graham has gone silent since the picture exposed a risk to our Republic.
I suspect obstruction is just one of many charges
Political Wire said the same thing 😴.
Trump Indictment Now Seems Inevitable
September 1, 2022 at 7:53 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 148 Comments
Andrew McCarthy: “The court filing made by the Justice Department on Tuesday night, in response to Trump’s lawsuit seeking a special master to review materials seized by the FBI, indicates that prosecutors have amassed formidable evidence of obstruction. That’s a game-changer…”
Andrew Napolitano: “Even a cursory review of the redacted version of the affidavit submitted in support of the government’s application for a search warrant at the home of former President Donald Trump reveals that he will soon be indicted by a federal grand jury for three crimes: Removing and concealing national defense information (NDI), giving NDI to those not legally entitled to possess it, and obstruction of justice by failing to return NDI to those who are legally entitled to retrieve it…”
“Where does all this leave Mr. Trump? The short answer is: in hot water. The longer answer is: He is confronting yet again the federal law enforcement and intelligence communities for which he has rightly expressed such public disdain. He had valid points of expression during the Russia investigation. He has little ground upon which to stand today.”
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/31/why-donald-trump-will-soon-be-indicted/
By Andrew P. Napolitano - - Wednesday, August 31, 2022
OPINION:
It gives me no joy to write this piece.
Even a cursory review of the redacted version of the affidavit submitted in support of the government’s application for a search warrant at the home of former President Donald Trump reveals that he will soon be indicted by a federal grand jury for three crimes: Removing and concealing national defense information (NDI), giving NDI to those not legally entitled to possess it, and obstruction of justice by failing to return NDI to those who are legally entitled to retrieve it.
When he learned from a phone call that 30 FBI agents were at the front door of his Florida residence with a search warrant and he decided to reveal this publicly, Mr. Trump assumed that the agents were looking for classified top-secret materials that they’d allege he criminally possessed. His assumptions were apparently based on his gut instinct and not on a sophisticated analysis of the law. Hence, his public boast that he declassified all the formerly classified documents he took with him.
Unbeknownst to him, the feds had anticipated such a defense and are not preparing to indict him for possessing classified materials, even though he did possess hundreds of voluntarily surrendered materials marked “top secret.” It is irrelevant if the documents were declassified, as the feds will charge crimes that do not require proof of classification. They told the federal judge who signed the search warrant that Mr. Trump still had NDI in his home. It appears they were correct.
Under the law, it doesn’t matter if the documents on which NDI is contained are classified or not, as it is simply and always criminal to have NDI in a non-federal facility, to have those without security clearances move it from one place to another, and to keep it from the feds when they are seeking it. Stated differently, the absence of classification — for whatever reason — is not a defense to the charges that are likely to be filed against Mr. Trump.
Yet, misreading and underestimating the feds, Mr. Trump actually did them a favor. One of the elements that they must prove for any of the three crimes is that Mr. Trump knew that he had the documents. The favor he did was admit to that when he boasted that they were no longer classified. He committed a mortal sin in the criminal defense world by denying something for which he had not been accused.
The second element that the feds must prove is that the documents actually do contain national defense information. And the third element they must prove is that Mr. Trump put these documents into the hands of those not authorized to hold them and stored them in a non-federally secured place. Intelligence community experts have already examined the documents taken from Mr. Trump’s home and are prepared to tell a jury that they contain the names of foreign agents secretly working for the U.S. This is the crown jewel of government secrets. Moreover, Mr. Trump’s Florida home is not a secure federal facility designated for the deposit of NDI.
The newest aspect of the case against Mr. Trump that we learned from the redacted affidavit is the obstruction allegation. This is not the obstruction that Robert Mueller claimed he found Mr. Trump committed during the Russia investigation. This is a newer obstruction statute, signed by President George W. Bush in 2002, that places far fewer burdens on the feds to prove. The older statute is the one Mr. Mueller alleged. It characterizes any material interference with a judicial function as criminal. Thus, one who lies to a grand jury or prevents a witness from testifying commits this variant of obstruction.
The battle to preserve and protect democracy is the most important battle of our lifetimes. If we win, there is nothing we cannot achieve. If we lose, there is nothing we can achieve.
https://nypost.com/2022/08/31/how-the-doj-have-built-a-case-against-trump-for-obstruction/
Alky, the picture exposed nothing but the willingness of the DOJ/FBI to engage in a highly partisan publicity stunt.
Oh, and those docs in the pic labeled 'SECRET/SCI'?
Those are coversheets. There's no guarantee they're even related to the other papers on the floor.
Face it numbnuts - if there was clearly a crime(s) committed here, Trump would be charged by now. To not charge him in that case would be a crime in and of itself.
The fact that they're waiting until AFTER the mid terms to charge Trump is a crystal clear indication that this entire thing IS highly partisan political.
Now go give the 5th Beatle a reach-around.
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