So this (according to the CBO) will reduce spending by approximately $340 billion, thus allowing the GOP to use that $340 to create tax "cuts" rather than just tax adjustments (that end up just slicing the same size pie differently).
Of course, there is almost no way that $340 billion will be saved by the repeal, but it does allow for the tax cuts that Republicans want. Ultimately they believe that the tax cuts will "pay for themselves" but the CBO doesn't provide for any such thinking.
Now the Democrats are between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, to demand that millions will lose insurance, then they admit that the $340 billion is a legitimate number. If they want to argue that the tax plan is not deficit neutral, then they have to declare that the CBO estimates are bogus.
Either way, they lose...
Btw... of the Obamacare "features" the only one that is by and large unpopular is the individual mandate. Upwards of 66% of the public and over 80% of Republicans are not fans of the individual mandate and wouldn't mind seeing it repealed.
Secondly, when the CBO (or Democrats) declare that the repeal of the individual mandate will make 13 million "lose" their insurance, it will be proof positive for most Americans that the CBO and the Democrats are substituting the reality of the "choice" to not purchase insurance with the political rhetoric of people "losing" their insurance.
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As a vocal opponent of the individual mandate from the beginning, I can't be opposed to its repeal.
Presumably, the 340 billion in savings is from people getting subsidies for insurance they don't want, and ideologically speaking they shouldn't have to buy it, and the rest of us shouldn't have to subsidize them for what they don't want in the first place. The question arises however, are the rest of us (working class) going to pay it anyway in higher premiums, while savings are plowed into tax reductions for the wealthy? With this tied into a tax package, the only way that we (working class taxpayers) don't lose ground is if the entire $340 billion, or the vast majority of it, is applied to tax breaks in proportion to the numbers of people paying higher premiums rather that in proportion to a person's tax burden.
Stupid move. Now it is DOA.
This will get a bunch of D's into the fold for the tax bill......
Senate GOP to add repeal of Obamacare insurance mandate into tax bill
Senate Republican leaders will include a major change to their fast-moving tax cut bill that would repeal a key plank of the Affordable Care Act, trying to accomplish two of their top domestic priorities in one piece of legislation.
By Mike DeBonis and Damian Paletta 2 hours ago
Top Trump adviser surprised to learn many CEOs won’t invest more if taxes go down
Could this be the set up for another FAIL>?????????
It will not pass
100 % agree, and when it fails.
Republicans better start packing up and go home. Turn them keys over to them Dems.
The Republicans need to take this out of the bill, or the President will lose another attempt to fulfill one of his campaign promises.
The Wall Street Journal for some reason, does not agree with our esteemed host.
Republican plans to end the Affordable Care Act’s rule that most people must have health insurance would allow consumers who don’t want coverage to shed it, but it could drive premiums higher for those who keep it.
Eliminating the so-called individual mandate would increase the number of people without insurance by four million, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, a number that it says would rise to 13 million by 2027.
But those who buy private insurance, rather than getting it at work or through a government program, would see their premiums rise by about 10% in most years of the coming decade, the CBO has forecast.
Republican plans to end the Affordable Care Act’s rule that most people must have health insurance would allow consumers who don’t want coverage to shed it, but it could drive premiums higher for those who keep it.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-republican-plan-to-repeal-mandate-risks-higher-premiums-1510705649?tesla=y
Of course, excluding the CBO which by the way is not partisan as is CH, and just plain logic says that if you reduce the number of people in the insurance plan, the remaining patients have to pay more out of pocket.
KD
what are you expecting?
This has to go through reconciliation, meaning (by definition) it has to be deficit neutral. So you need somewhere to "save" spending in order to actually "cut" taxes. Otherwise, you are simply robbing from Peter to pay Paul.
The only other way to pass tax cuts is to garner the support of 60 Senators?
The Republicans have lost another vote, Moore is dust in the wind.
I watched most of Sessions today. He's really a likeable guy. I found his "I don't recall" about 30 time was rather amusing. The social media is full of cartoons and on Sessions and Moore.
Then in what may be the final blow, is the fact that Jr was in contact with WikiLeaks during the campaign. Yhe "coincidental" comments by the candidate in many remarks, within very short times after his email with WikiLeaks were part of campaign remarks.
I was reminded of Watergate hearings. I watched hours of them.
Republican plans to end the Affordable Care Act’s rule that most people must have health insurance would allow consumers who don’t want coverage to shed it, but it could drive premiums higher for those who keep it.
You don't need the CBO to tell you how insurance works. It's not revenue neutral and the price of insurance will go up quite a bit. If in some way, they pass it, they will lose control across the board.
Oh I was expecting for their freaking so called Adults to pass a clean bill on taxes. I know I am being unreasonable and there is so very little discretionare spending as they Socialist have locked up most every incoming money.
Roger, we that pay our own bills have been hit with a trifecta of obamacare.
1, rates rising higher then before that God damn piece of hostile Socialism
2, forced to buy insurance for coverage we will never need
3, deductibles that have more then doubled
Unlike your interloper ways on current workers paychecks.
One more thing.
The President got nothing more than photo ops in his Asian Tour.
Right. So be sure to tell that to them parents of them CA college kids that were released and are home.
President Trump will be announcing pro-American first business/job transactions from that do nothing Asian trip.
The President got nothing more than photo ops in his Asian Tour.
And a couple of parades and dinner....which makes him feel important......
And yet Obama didn't even get that.
This should be enough to have their licenses pulled... You want fake news....watch Faux....that is all they do....
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Fox News’ Shepherd Smith debunks his network’s Hillary Clinton ‘scandal’ story, infuriates viewers
Washington Post 4 hours ago
Fox News anchor Shepherd Smith debunked what his own network has called the Hillary Clinton uranium “scandal,” infuriating Fox viewers, some of whom suggested that he ought go work for CNN or MSNBC. Smith’s critique, which called President Trump’s accusations against Clinton “inaccurate,” was triggered by renewed calls from Republicans on Capitol Hill for a special counsel to investigate Clinton. Fox News, along with Trump and his allies, have been suggesting for months a link between donations to the Clinton Foundation and the approval of a deal by the State Department and the Obama administration allowing a Russian company to purchase a Canada-based mining group with operations in the United States. ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/15/fox-news-shepherd-smith-debunks-his-networks-hillary-clinton-scandal-story-infuriates-viewers/?utm_term=.8ba92572fcbe
Commonsense said...
And yet Obama didn't even get that.
Get what????? Please be specific with links....LOL
Go for it Mary.
Those 3 US Students being home and not in China jail.
Let's start there.
That's the usual logic for Dennis. He wants a link to nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kThdAX1PpZA
Wanna try again menstral child?????? Idiot...
Fox News anchor Shepard Smith debunked what his own network has called the Hillary Clinton uranium “scandal,”
I actually saw that segment. It was like watching Baghdad Bob all over again.
Blogger Commonsense said...
That's the usual logic for Dennis. He wants a link to nothing.
Thanx for confirming you have nothing....dayum, you are stupid....and most amusing in your vanity...another embarrassing moment for you .....
Funny that Dennis didn't link this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyrRZ-8-hBM
Suffice to say Trump's China trip was far more successful.
Suffice to say Trump's China trip was far more successful.
Again, you prove you have nothing.....and the only thing coming out of your own is is idiocy
Again, thank for playing, idiot...
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Many observers have been accusing China’s leaders of deliberately snubbing Barack Obama during his arrival in the country on Saturday afternoon after the U.S. president was not given the standard red-carpet staircase used to leave Air Force One. Chinese official involved in the diplomatic arrangements for Obama’s arrival for the G20 meeting, however, revealed that this was not the case.
For other notable attendees of the high-profile meeting of powerful heads of state, Chinese authorities provided the red-carpet treatment for Russian president Vladimir Putin, South Korean president Park Geun-hye, India’s prime minister Narendra Modi, British prime minister Theresa May and Brazilian president Michel Temer.
Even the journalists who accompanied President Obama from Hawaii said that Chinese security guards did not allow them to watch and observe how he exited from the plane’s small bare metal stairway, according to the Washington Post.
A verbal altercation was also reported between U.S. and Chinese officials as Obama was making his way through the crowd on the tarmac. One Chinese official was caught on video shouting, “This is our country! This is our airport!” when his White House counterpart reportedly insisted on the U.S. setting the parameters for Obama’s plane exit.
Meanwhile, Putin’s grander red-carpet entrance was compared to Obama’s experience, fueling speculation that China purposefully snubbed the American President’s entrance.
According to a Chinese foreign ministry official, however, the decision to do away with the usual rolling red-carpet staircase was Washington’s decision, South China Morning Post reported.
“China provides a rolling staircase for every arriving state leader, but the U.S. delegation complained that the driver couldn’t speak English and couldn’t understand security instructions from the United States; so China proposed that we could assign a translator to sit beside the driver, but the U.S. side turned down the proposal and insisted that they didn’t need the staircase provided by the airport,” the official told SCMP.
“I wouldn’t overcrank the significance,” Obama later expressed that the incident should not be overblown, according to Reuters. “Part of it is we also have a much bigger footprint than a lot of other countries. We’ve got a lot of planes, a lot of helicopters, a lot of cars, a lot of guys. You know, if you’re a host country, sometimes it may feel a little bit much.”
Yep Mc Peabrain....gotcha again....LOLOLOL
Thank for proving my point Dennis.
Republican plans to end the Affordable Care Act’s rule that most people must have health insurance would allow consumers who don’t want coverage to shed it, but it could drive premiums higher for those who keep it.
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well alky, seeing as how the scotus has declared the 0linsky-care mandate a TAX, and seeing as how the GOP is in the midst of crafting aTAX CUT bill, it stands to reason that a TAX like the 0linsky-care mandate would be on the chopping block.
and it also proves our argument that socializing the health care industry by sharing the misery by force was never a good idea.
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One more thing.
The President got nothing more than photo ops in his Asian Tour.
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really alky?
you have an inside track as to the conversations between trump and the chi-com prez?
do tell.
Thank for proving my point Dennis.
That yer an idiot....no problem McPeabrain....
Highlights
Purchase applications for home mortgages rose a seasonally adjusted 0.4 percent in the November 10 week, a marginal increase that, however, put the purchase index a sharp 17 percent above its year ago level."
The Trump Era of Home Ownership is really taking hold, as more people ditch a welfare check for a paycheck, take hold of their lives after the lost years and begin to rebuild wealth and their version of the American Dream.
Suffice to say Trump's China trip was far more successful. " CS
Yep,
Yet Mr Trump’s rise seems to have coincided with a turnaround in fortunes for the middle-class. In 2015 median household income, adjusted for inflation, rose 5.2%; in 2016 it was up another 3.2%. During those two years, poorer households gained more, on average, than richer ones. The latest development—one that will be of particular interest to Mr Trump—is that blue-collar wages have begun to rocket. In the year to the third quarter, wage and salary growth for the likes of factory workers, builders and drivers easily outstripped that for professionals and managers. In some cases, blue-collar pay growth now tops 4% (see chart).
https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21731332-weaker-dollar-and-energy-boom-are-pushing-up-pay-blue-collar-wages-are-surging-can-it?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/bluecollarwagesaresurgingcanitlastcheerfortheblues
Suffice to say Trump's China trip was far more successful. " CS
Opinions are like ass holes goat molester, In your case it is gaping.....
hey d0pie,
thanks for posting the article about 0linsky oozing out of the asshole of AF1 like a big turd.
it's always nice to pause and reflect on the finer moments of his presidency.
Rat hole posits another idiocy without thinking...
thanks for posting the article about 0linsky oozing out of the asshole of AF1 like a big turd.
As he take trumps dick out of his ass....LOLOL
Mr Trump’s rise seems to have coincided with a turnaround in fortunes for the middle-class."
The stock market that the three liberal loons of CHT prayed would tank has only gone up. Their beloved Pauline Krugman wrong again.
Why have Jane, Little Lynn HB and oDopie embraced homosexuality and bestiality in their lives?
Trump Wins: Markets Will 'Never' Recover, Paul Krugman the guru of the three stooges of CHT
It is my hope that many , many on the left invested along the lines of Paul Krugman .
Stump boroken queer postulats....
nd oDopie embraced homosexuality and bestiality in their lives?
Why do you fuck goats and support pedophiles for office?????
Why have Jane, Little Lynn HB and oDopie embraced homosexuality and bestiality in their lives?
I asked first, but, because you are nothing but a self fellating moron I will respond in kind to you, belittle you and defeat you with ideas.
When does Krugman retract his stupidity?
A sexual predator, Russian spy, and narcissist walk into a bar.
The bartender asks “What would you like, President Trump?”
Stump broken idiot claims.....
When does Krugman retract his stupidity?
Right after you admit trump is a whore monger womanizer and moore is a pedophile r......
I just HATE it when this happens, when someone on Fox starts acting like a real journalist and tells the truth.
Fox Anchor Debunks his own network's Clinton "scandal"
https://politicalwire.com/2017/11/15/shep-smith-debunks-networks-favorite-clinton-scandal/
Ch Truth HATES it too.
And a lot of Fox viewers are absolutely frothing at the mouth
I see the asshole "pastor" james boswell has started this again. Always first to act and then complains when I punch him back in the face.
Get a fucking life asshole.
And stop trying to say you are the victim, you start this up every day...
Pentagon will pay for transgender soldier’s reassignment surgery
J.R. Salzman Retweeted The Daily Beast
I had a fight with the VA for a year before they gave me a new prosthetic arm.
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Why do other people have trouble seeing this as proper?
I looked up scandal in the dictionary and it had 127 pages dedicated to the Clintons. When I find one example of one person having a different opinion on one of those I trumpet it loudly. Guess I am a bit partisan...
Rep. Mark Meadows: A special counsel must investigate the Russia dossier, explain why Obama's FBI was involved
For the past year, as our government has been mired in both an aimless and fruitless investigation into accusations of collusion between the Russian government and the 2016 Trump Presidential campaign, Democrats have insisted that Congress follow where the evidence leads in this investigation.
My Democratic colleagues are absolutely right. Congress should follow where the facts lead. However, they’re leading in a very different direction than the mainstream media narrative might suggest.
With regard to the original purpose of the investigation, Congress has held multiple hearings and interviewed dozens of witnesses looking into allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. There is nothing there. It's time to move on.
But in the process of chasing a non-existent scandal, we’ve learned of a concerning fact pattern surrounding the Clinton campaign, and potentially the Obama administration’s, involvement in a 2016 targeted campaign, using salacious information from foreign intelligence officials, against then-GOP nominee Donald Trump. The information we’ve learned warrants the appointment of a special counsel to investigate how the Russian Dossier was created and why President Obama’s FBI was involved.
As we know from a recent New York Times report, Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee paid for research that was included in the now infamous Russian dossier, made public in January of this year by Buzzfeed and reported on by CNN.
We now know the Clinton campaign and the DNC paid ex-British intelligence officer Christopher Steele to compile the dossier with research provided by Russian intelligence officials. Much of the dossier contained claims that have either not been verified or have been directly refuted.
The fact that the Clinton campaign and the DNC paid intelligence officials in Russia for salacious and false information on President Trump is suspicious enough. But we’re also beginning to see evidence that raises questions about whether the Obama Justice Department may have inappropriately involved themselves in this project both before and after the 2016 Presidential campaign.
Is it TRUE that Moore was a democrat during his days as a pedophile?
You say I "start this up every day"?
I was not aware that you had ever stopped.
Okay, I will stop posting as
"Cowardly King Obama"
or as "James's F**king Daddy",
and I will do that as of now.
But you must stop posting as my F'ing Daddy
or quoting me as saying things I never said.
It's up to you.
I'm sure others would appreciate it if we stick to one identity.
I will also spam less,
that is to say, more abbreviatedly,
and I will never use obscenities.
"It's up to you."
No, it's up to you as always. Any time you post spam or use my moniker I will respond as JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY or use your moniker when I see it
over and out
James, How many different human sexes are there?
Now we have six idiot dems trying to introduce articles of impeachment.
Someone needs to tell them that because he pisses us off is not a valid reason.
Voters Really Don’t Like the GOP Tax Plan
A new Quinnipiac poll finds that voters disapprove of the Republican tax plan by a 52% to 25% margin.
Republican voters approve 60% to 15%, with 26% undecided. All other party, gender, education, age and racial groups disapprove.
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Obamacare Sign Ups Are Up
Sam Baker: “Nearly 1.5 million people have signed up for coverage through HealthCare.gov in the first two weeks of this year’s open enrollment period — up from just over 1 million at the same point in the last enrollment window. Those results are stronger than many experts anticipated, in light of the Trump administration’s cuts to enrollment outreach.”
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New Inflation Measure Would Raise Taxes on Middle Class
Wall Street Journal: “Tucked into Republicans’ tax overhaul bill is a technical tweak to how inflation is measured. The change is designed to hold down the deficit, but over time it becomes a significant tax increase that hits many of the same middle-class households who start out as the plan’s beneficiaries."
“Bottom line: Senate Republicans may have solved their math problem by repealing the individual mandate, but they’ve now added other problems to their tax plan – a week after health care was the most important issue in Virginia’s gubernatorial election, per the exit poll, and after Maine easily passed Medicaid expansion. What’s more, only 27 percent of Americans approve of President Trump’s handling of health care, according to last month’s NBC/WSJ poll.”
James, How many different human sexes are there?
There is now as many as the number of personalities James has.
Fox News anchor Shepard Smith debunked what his own network has called the Hillary Clinton uranium “scandal,” infuriating Fox viewers, some of whom suggested that he ought to work for CNN or MSNBC.
Smith’s critique, which called President Trump’s accusations against Clinton “inaccurate,” was triggered by renewed calls from Republicans on Capitol Hill for a special counsel to investigate Clinton.
Fox News, along with Trump and his allies, has been suggesting for months a link between donations to the Clinton Foundation and the approval of a deal by the State Department and the Obama administration allowing a Russian company to purchase a Canada-based mining group with operations in the United States.
Trump called it “Watergate, modern-age.” Former White House adviser Sebastian Gorka, speaking on Fox News last month, said it was “equivalent to” the Julius and Ethel Rosenberg spying case of the 1950s, in which the couple was charged with providing U.S. atomic secrets to the Soviet Union, noting that “those people got the chair.”
Dennis already beat you to it. Same ho hum response.
That is a lot.
Roger, Shepherd Smith has really upset Fox viewers by thoroughly debunking the Clinton "scandal." They can't stand to see a Fox anchor acting like a real journalist.
Debunked? Russia now controls 20% of US uranium production.
Russia now control more uranium production than any other country in the world.
Russian intrest paid millions of dollars to Bill and Hillary Clinton.
That was not debunked.
All hail perfect Clintons.
How long will this love affair with Shepherd smith and the three liberal stooges of CHT last?
Well I don't see Shepard changing anytime soon.
Interesting they are cheering a liberal on Fox News.
While you can't even find a conservative on MSNBC or CNN.
Now back to the really important debate.
College Football.
shep smith is fox's token pillow biter. beyond that he has no real value. hence his time slot with no viewers.
thanks alky. you always pick the important shit to focus on.
I don't watch fox or cnn, why bother them lie with equal ease.
Well if there is no scandal... then Hillary and Bill have nothing to worry about if they decide to appoint a special prosecutor? Just better hope all of their other peripheral dealings are clean.
After all... we are over a whole year into the four separate Russia/Trump collusion investigations, and they still haven't found any thing.
So investigating "nothing" seems to be the "in thing" today.
Hell ya
Oh then swamp is in this repeal of them individual mandate, then Ins companies get that money Trump stopped. It is so dirty, then whole fucking lot of them.
It is such a a sorry group on both sides.
Ch Truth, I watched the video and I must say that even you could not be so stupid as to believe Trump's and the Republicans' lies. Shepherd Smith did indeed "methodically" take the case apart. Session has not appointed a special prosecutor because he can find no reason to.
You don't need to find any reason except the fact that I told you to.
The Moore campaign in the press conference was about only the one with the year book.
He's still a pedophile.
So is joe Biden
So is joe Biden
Ch Truth, I watched the video and I must say that even you could not be so stupid as to believe Trump's and the Republicans' lies. Shepherd Smith did indeed "methodically" take the case apart.
So did I and I haven't seen a performance like that since Baghdad Bob's news conference the night before US forces came into town.
It will be fun to watch Roger twist and contort himself one slow Joe throw his hat into the ring.
One of them thieves on their CA college Basketball team thanked President Trump for gaining his release from China prison.
HB called it nothing, then parents are thankful for President Trump.
I love creepy grand-perv Joe and Warren a true American Idina as they Dems Ticket 2020.
I see the failed "pastor" continues to play in the pond scum and I will join him.
FUCK YOU "REV JAMES BOSWELL" (Normal Illinois) who has no shame. Your childish actions show your true character and I SPIT on you. You are obviously nearing the end of your life and still haven't learned an ounce of decency and it's probably too late to change course now.
YOUR HEAD IS STUCK UP YOUR UNWIPED ASS. Keep licking and maybe you will eventually see some light.
ROFLMFAO !!!
A special prosecutor is very rare. The-DOJ can run a regular investigation without all the political arguments. The President will look like he's a dictator. A regular investigation will have every tool available, including a grand jury.
I respect Joe Biden for being brave enough to inappropriately touch young girls in public, he probably does nothing to them in private. I support Hillary in defending her rapist husband and her large contributors who may have done some other sexual assaults, any rapes that may have occurred there were probably inadvertent. I look forward to hearing about more and I will preach about forgiveness.
I am sure counting on it
And don't forget I am a "pastor"
Sen Rob Johnson can not vote for their Republican DOA tax bill. Why, he does not "like they process".
And so it goes there end of this bill.
He is a dictor, and Hitler and a racist and he likes woman.
Hb, so nervous at their thought of a special investigator tearing into their Clinton crime family books.
Hb, so nervous at their thought of a special investigator tearing into their Clinton crime family books.
Who talks more about religion here and hides behind God, Roy Moore or me, James. I find we have many similarities as many of you have noticed. I am very curious.
Thanks in advance
I have to go back to writing a sermon and will check back later
Another reason why the suspension of the mandatory healthcare repeal is going to fail. Politico.
Defying gloomy predictions, Obamacare enrollment surges
A barrage of Obamacare media coverage may have provided a marketing boost for a health law the president has pronounced 'dead.'
By PAUL DEMKO 11/15/2017 11:50 AM EST Updated 11/15/2017 11:15 AM EST
Doomsday headlines about Obamacare enrollment may be having an unforeseen consequence: booming sign-ups in the troubled insurance marketplaces.
Obamacare’s fifth open enrollment season, the first under President Donald Trump, is off to a surprisingly robust start despite the brutal developments of the past year — skyrocketing premiums, dwindling competition, unremitting Republican efforts to eradicate it.
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Sign-ups surged as soon as enrollment opened Nov. 1, easily surpassing the number of Americans getting coverage during the opening days of the final two sign-up periods under the Obama administration. The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services reported Wednesday that nearly 1.5 million people had selected plans through last Saturday.
In other words, there might be no such thing as bad news for Obamacare.
“As P.T. Barnum would say, as long as my name is in the papers and it’s spelled correctly, it’s all good,” said Michael Marchand, chief marketing officer for Washington state’s Obamacare marketplace, which saw its website traffic increase by 24 percent during the first week of enrollment. “I think there’s some truth to that.”
The conventional wisdom was that enrollment would dip significantly as a hostile administration gutted outreach and marketing. Analysts at Standard & Poor’s projected that anywhere from 800,000 to 1.6 million fewer Americans would sign up for 2018 coverage.
Instead, 876,788 individuals enrolled through HealthCare.gov during the second week of sign-ups alone — and that doesn’t count the states running their own markets and doing more ambitious outreach.
Breaking news.
Two more women came out with accusations against Moore.
Huffington post called the idea of VP Joe slow groping Biden running in 2020 a horrible idea.
Lol, after backing him all those years as a US Senator and VP.
79 % of those fined by obamacare for not having insurance are laid upon household earning less then 50 k a year.
Fine job of targeting the blue collar worker.
Mugabe under house arrest.
Maybe Rhodesia's long nightmare is over
No, just a new arrangement of the same old song.
Hb sees Mugabe dictatorship in the same light as pres.Trumps.
Another reason why the suspension of the mandatory healthcare repeal is going to fail. Politico.
Defying gloomy predictions, Obamacare enrollment surges
You must not know the diffrence between can buy and must buy.
Nobody is stopping people from buying on the Obamacare exchange if they want to.
The just will no longer have to.
Next step is the repeal all the government mandates on insurance plans so companies can tailor plans toward younger, poorer, and healthier people.
That's how you get them to buy in.
A Gadsden woman says Roy Moore groped her while she was in his law office on legal business with her mother in 1991. Moore was married at that time.
In the past week, Moore has been accused by five other women of a range of behaviors that include sexual misconduct with a woman when she was 14, and sexual assault of another when she was 16. This is the first public accusation of physical contact that happened after Moore was married.
In recent days, Moore has publicly denied any wrongdoing, and has denied knowing some of the women.
Tina Johnson
In interviews with AL.com, Tina Johnson recalls that in the fall of 1991 she sat in the law office of then-attorney Roy Moore on Third Street in Gadsden. Her mother, Mary Katherine Cofield, sat in the chair next to her. Moore sat behind his desk, across from them. Johnson remembers she was wearing a black and white dress.
Almost from the moment she walked in to Moore's office, Johnson said, Moore began flirting with her.
"He kept commenting on my looks, telling me how pretty I was, how nice I looked," recalled Johnson. "He was saying that my eyes were beautiful."
It made her uncomfortable. "I was thinking, can we hurry up and get out of here?"
Johnson was 28 years old, in a difficult marriage headed toward divorce, and unemployed. She was at the office to sign over custody of her 12-year-old son to her mother, with whom he'd been living. Her mother had hired Moore to handle the custody petition.
Johnson had two young daughters at the time with her then-husband, and her son said he wanted to live with his grandmother.
At one point during the meeting, she said, Moore came around the desk and sat on the front of it, just inches from her. He was so close, she said, she could smell his breath.
According to Johnson, he asked questions about her young daughters, including what color eyes they had and if they were as pretty as she was. She said that made her feel uncomfortable, too.
Once the papers were signed, she and her mother got up to leave. After her mother walked through the door first, she said, Moore came up behind her.
It was at that point, she recalled, he grabbed her buttocks.
"He didn't pinch it; he grabbed it," said Johnson. She was so surprised she didn't say anything. She didn't tell her mother.
She said she told her sister years later how Moore had made her feel uncomfortable during that meeting. Her sister told AL.com she remembers the conversation.
Johnson reached out to AL.com earlier this week to talk about her experience with Moore.
AL.com located the court documents from 1991, detailing the custody transfer. Cofield's petition for custody is signed by Roy S. Moore, attorney. It lists his address as 924 Third Avenue, Gadsden.
Johnson has had ups and downs in her life, both before and after she met Moore. She has pled guilty to writing bad checks, and for third-degree theft of property, which she said stemmed from family disagreement over the care of her late stepfather.
Since marrying her husband, Morris Johnson, in 2010, she said she has been working to improve her life.
"I'm not perfect," she said. "I have things in my background and I know (the public) will jump on anything, but (what happened with Moore) is still the truth, and the truth will stand when the world won't."
Johnson, who is now disabled, considers herself a devout Christian and regularly attends a church near her home in Gadsden. She said she is not political and doesn't follow politics. She said she has not spoken with Moore since that day in his office, and does not know any of the five other women who have come forward with accusations against him.
"This is not a politics thing with me," she said. "It's more of a moral and religious thing." It has bothered her over the years to see Moore on TV, talking about his Christian faith.
She wanted to come forward publicly now, she said, because it's hard for victims of harassment to talk openly about their experiences.
"I want people to know that it's OK to finally say something," she said. "I guess I'm ashamed I didn't say nothing, didn't turn around and slap him."
A spokesperson for the Roy Moore campaign contacted in advance had not given AL.com a response by publication time.
'All the time'
In 1982, Kelly Harrison Thorp was working as a hostess at the Red Lobster restaurant in Gadsden. She was 17 years old and a high school senior.
One day Roy Moore came into the restaurant, and she recognized him.
"He was a public figure in this small town," she said of Moore, who at the time was in his early 30s and the deputy district attorney for Etowah County. Later that year he would mount an unsuccessful campaign for circuit court judge.
Thorp said Moore asked her if she'd go out with him sometime.
"I just kind of said, 'Do you know how old I am?'" she recalled.
"And he said, 'Yeah. I go out with girls your age all the time.'"
Thorp said she turned him down and told him she had a boyfriend. She said he then walked away.
Thorp said she later told a family member but did not tell the story publicly. She moved away from Gadsden the following year, and has just recently moved back.
Thorp knows one of Moore's accusers, Leigh Corfman, who told The Washington Post that Moore had a sexual encounter with her when she was 14. Thorp believes Corfman's story and said she is proud of her for telling it publicly.
In an interview on Sean Hannity's radio show last Friday, Moore said he did not "generally" date girls in their late teens when he was in his early 30s.
"If I did, you know, I'm not going to dispute anything," he said, "but I don't remember anything like that."
Why now
As more GOP leaders - including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell - are calling for Moore to step aside, he has given no indication he plans to do so. He still has a lead in most polls.
One question often levied at the accusers is why they didn't come forward publicly before now, a month away from the special election for Alabama senator. Moore has been a public and often controversial figure in Alabama politics for decades.
It's an issue both Johnson and Thorp wanted to address.
Thorp said local women have not spoken publicly against Moore before now because he had power in town and in the state, and they didn't think they would be believed.
"Everybody knew it wouldn't matter," she said, "that he would get elected anyway because his supporters are never going to believe anything bad about him."
Johnson said the answer was even more simple.
"It's because somebody asked," she said. "If anybody had asked, we would have told it. No one asked."
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http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/new_roy_moore_accuser_he_didnt.html
You must not know the diffrence between can buy and must buy.
Also, every number is adjusted way down once that 1st premium comes due, selecting and paying are different as well
Roger, can you stop spamming, please.
CHT gave you a place to vent, go there.
As we watch the spectacle of tax joke listening to the BS how great it is and how it will spark industry to spent capital and grow....Well the reality is just like trickle down....complete BS as captains of industry basically give the middle finger to Cohn ....What a joke you all are....
Business
Trump's top economic adviser can't contain his surprise after CEOs say his tax plan won't make them invest more
The Independent Clark Mindock,The Independent 3 hours ago
Mr Cohn is pictured here at the Economic Club of Washington: AFP/Getty Images
White House economy adviser Gary Cohn appeared perplexed this week when a room full of CEOs said that the Trump administration’s tax plan wouldn’t inspire them to increase capital investments, but experts say that their reluctance to say they would should come at no surprise at all.
During an event for the Wall Street Journal’s CEO Council, an editor at that newspaper turned to ask the room a question: “If the tax reform bill goes through, do you plan to increase investment — your company’s investment, capital investment?” Prompted to raise their hands if so, very few shot their palms into the air. Mr Cohn, the White House Economic Council director, smiled uncomfortably at the response.
“Why aren’t the other hands up?” he asked, making a joke out of the spectacle.
But experts say that it isn’t hard to figure out why corporations might not want to take savings from cuts to the corporate tax cut and pump it back into their companies — all you have to do is look at who actually benefits financially from the cuts.
Citing a recent Moody’s report that estimate that the Trump tax plan would yield just a 0.3 percent economic growth rate for 10 years before a likely decline, Brooking Institute senior fellow William Gale noted that business leaders might be expecting declines in the long term.
Spam by the drunkard
Spam by the drunkard
This is breaking news on a political blog. I have been saying that if CH pulled the picture of the picture of the racist rodent bastard ass off the top would see if I could get hundreds of hits or more. But he's childishly leaving it on top in a fit of anger.
Grow up.
He can't his life has been a mess of uncontained emotions.
CNN IS COVERING UP NAMES IN THE US SENATE STILL SERVING THAT ARE PERKING ON staff.
CNN release the fucking names of those currently serving US Senators.
HB, you blame your alcoholism on your parents, your kidney and liver problems on your parents. Your now blame Rat and CHT for your false on your blog.
CNN KNOWS who is on the "creep list".
Publish it, do it now CNN.
Oh. And those currently serving in the US House. CNN work for the Nation, put your polotics aside, name them all.
Everyone named will resign.
HB, you blame your alcoholism on your parents, your kidney and liver problems on your parents.
Both are totally false. Fuck your cow
Really, it was you that said your medical problems are because of your poor genes.
Or are you again changing your story?
Like you have the nationality and how your 3 wife snuck in to the US.
Stepping over you like road kill again.
WaPo Two more women describe unwanted overtures by Roy Moore at Alabama mall
GOP Mulls Drastic Plan to Save Senate Seat
10:53 pm EST
Politico: “With less than four weeks until the special election and no sign that the party’s besieged nominee will exit the race, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and his top advisers are discussing the legal feasibility of asking appointed Sen. Luther Strange to resign from his seat in order to trigger a new special election.
”McConnell aides express caution, saying they’re uncertain whether such a move, one of several options being discussed, is even possible. Yet the talks underscore the despair among top Republicans over relinquishing a seat in deep-red Alabama, further diminishing their slim Senate majority.”
The latest GOP ploy likely violates the 17th Amendment
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Trump Stays Silent on Roy Moore
10:47 pm EST
“Senate Republicans turned to President Trump on Wednesday in hopes he would join their urgent attempt to force GOP nominee Roy Moore out of the Senate race in Alabama following allegations of sexual misconduct — but Trump did not oblige,” the Washington Post reports.
“Instead, back in Washington after a 12-day Asia trip, Trump was silent on Moore, who has been accused by two women of initiating unwanted sexual encounters when Moore was in his 30s and they were 14 and 16. Moore has denied the allegations.”
”In Alabama, Moore showed no signs he was preparing to bow out.”
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Two More Women Say Moore Made Unwanted Overtures
8:53 pm EST
Two additional women told the Washington Post of unwanted sexual advances made by Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore (R) when they were teenagers and he was in his thirties.
In all, The Post spoke to a dozen people who worked at the mall or hung out there as teenagers during the late ’70s and early ’80s and recall Moore as a frequent presence — a well-dressed man walking around alone, leaning on counters, spending enough time in the stores, especially on weekend nights, that some of the young women who worked there said they became uncomfortable.”
2017 CampaignAL-Sen, Roy Moore
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How Trump Walked Into Putin’s Web
8:12 pm EST
The Guardian runs an excerpt from Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win by Luke Harding.
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Doug Jones Now Favored In Alabama
8:03 pm EST
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Tax Bill Faces Uncertainty in the Senate
7:25 pm EST
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) may not be the only GOP senator to pull support from his party’s tax bill, the New York Times reports.
“Senators Susan Collins of Maine, Bob Corker of Tennessee and John McCain of Arizona have voiced their own concerns and refused to say whether they would ultimately vote for the tax bill.
“With the House expected to pass its tax legislation, the fate of the overhaul fell into the hands of Republican senators, who grappled with the dangerous political prospects of passing a bill that critics said could undermine the health care system and favored companies over the middle class.”
Washington Post: GOP tax plan in trouble in Senate.
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GOP Strategists Say House Incumbents Aren’t Ready
7:21 pm EST
“Republican strategists are warning that some of the party’s veteran House incumbents aren’t adequately preparing for the 2018 election, putting the GOP majority at risk by their failure to recognize the dangerous conditions facing them,” Politico reports.
“Nearly three dozen Republicans were outraised by their Democratic challengers in the most recent fundraising quarter. Others, the strategists say, are failing to maintain high profiles in their districts or modernize their campaigns by using data analytics in what is shaping up as a stormy election cycle.”
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Taegan Goddard: An Unmistakable Midterm Wave Is Forming
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Bannon Sticks with Roy Moore
7:20 pm EST
Jonathan Swan: “There is ‘zero chance’ Steve Bannon will back down from his support of Roy Moore, according to one source close to Bannon. A second source says Bannon believes Moore’s denials which is why he’s sticking with him.
“Bannon has been out of the country and silent on the Moore situation as it spun out of control and other Republicans called for him to drop out of the race. Bannon’s response, to triple-down on his support, will intensify his war with Republicans. As the source close to Bannon put it, Mitch McConnell should quit the Senate before Moore.”
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Exchange of the Day
6:14 pm EST
Kelly Harrison Thorp told the Birmingham News that when she was 17 years old and working as a hostess at the Red Lobster restaurant, Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore (R) asked her if she’d go out with him sometime.
“I just kind of said, ‘Do you know how old I am?'” she recalled.
“And he said, ‘Yeah. I go out with girls your age all the time.'”
ROFLMFAO !!!
Who would have thought I could have James using the monikers cowardly king obama and JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY when he posts. How great is that. Wouldn't have imagined that in a million years but it's true.
Guess I totally control the prick of a "pastor". What a loser. And he always is first to fire, then gets punched in the face.
What a stupid ass...and an insult to any religion he is but he has no shame
ROFLMFAO !!!
Paging james
Thanks for all the entertainment asshole. Your body of work is real impressive. Well I guess not as it continues to be spam from your tired talking point site...
ROFLMFAO !!!
Did you ever tell us how Obama's butt tasted?
It's up to nine!
Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
Mugabe under house arrest.
Maybe Rhodesia's long nightmare is over
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a nightmare they have jimmy carter to thank for.
I have been saying that if CH pulled the picture of the picture of the racist rodent bastard ass off the top would see if I could get hundreds of hits or more. But he's childishly leaving it on top in a fit of anger.
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alky,
your insipid posts can't draw flies, let alone pageviews and comments.
No shit.
Artificial climate intervention could completely destroy the planet, so we probably shouldn’t do that
The scientists simulated what would happen if the aerosol injection technique was used in the northern hemisphere, which has been casually proposed as a potential method of reducing the severity of tropical storms. The climate models reveal that the large-scale action would indeed calm things down a bit and potentially reduce the number of North Atlantic cyclones, but it would also have dire effects on other parts of the Earth.
The drop off of tropical storms in one area would actually lead to a spike in drought in parts of Africa, according to the data. If you have even a casual interesting in weather or nature in general, that won’t be much of a surprise, as nature has taught us that messing with one thing inevitably leads to unexpected changes elsewhere. Thusly, the researchers are now calling for strict regulation on geoengineering as a “solution” to climate change. That seems like a good idea.
Thusly, the researchers are now calling for strict regulation on geoengineering as a “solution” to climate change. That seems like a good idea.
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at some point liberals WILL get the chance to royally fuck up the planet in pursuit of their warmyl cooling nonsense. i just hope that i'm worm food by then.
Worm food sounds good for rrb.
I am infuriated by Shepherd Smith. Also by this:
$100,000 Raised For Woman Fired For Flipping Off Trump's Motorcade.
Trump Voters Have Buyer’s Remorse In Focus Group
7:58 am EST
Republican women who voted for President Trump in North Carolina said during a focus group Wednesday night that they are embarrassed by and exasperated with him,” James Hohmann reports.
“Only one of the 12 participants emerged as an unapologetic defender of the president.
“The focus group really underscored the extent to which the deep unease that propelled Trump’s victory a year ago has only gotten worse. Asked for one word to describe the state of America today, the answers were chaotic, tornado, backward, troubled, disrupted, fearful, anxious and embarrassing.”
Exchange of the Day
8:03 am EST
“Dear Mitch McConnell, Bring. It. On.”
— Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore (R), on Twitter.
“Bring It On was a movie about high school cheerleaders, so not surprising the phrase stuck in Judge Moore’s mind.”
— New Republic editor Jeet Heer, on Twitter.
Live long enuff and you see how worthless liberals are, first global cooling model we "it", then Gorebal warming was "it" butt wait there is more ,, then when we cooled for 20 years, Climate change was "it". Based on man made models, perfect, unquestionably models.
Dear james stalker please stop.
Commonsense said...
No shit.
Menstral finally understands hoW putting lots of crap in the atmosphere affects the climate!!! HOLY SHIT!!!!! GW is real!!!!!
If you have even a casual interesting in weather or nature in general, that won’t be much of a surprise, as nature has taught us that messing with one thing inevitably leads to unexpected changes elsewhere.
Btw there is no factual basis for KD'S 20 years of cooling.......idiot
Rat hole postulated.....
. i just hope that i'm worm food by then.
Hopefully sooner than later....LOL
I'm a fucking loser.
Signed,
Rev James Boswell pedophile
Normal, Illinois
Robbing peter to pay paul.....this may not be a good think as the kansan idiot says.....zero hedge
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-14/fed-issues-subprime-warning-household-debt-hits-new-all-time-high
. it would probably not come as a surprise that according to the just released latest quarterly household debt and credit report by the NY Fed, Americans' debt rose to a new record high in the second quarter on the back of an increase in every form of debt: from mortgage, to auto, student and credit card debt. Aggregate household debt increased for the 13th consecutive quarter, rising by $116 billion (0.9%) to a new all time high. As of September 30, 2017, total household indebtedness was $12.96 trillion, an increase of $605 billion from a year ago and equivalent to 66% of US GDP, versus a high of around 87% in early 2009. After years of deleveraging in the wake of the 2007-09 recession, household debt has risen more than 16.2% since the trough hit in the spring of 2013.
In a troubling development, and following on the warning issued last quarter, the New Your Fed explicitly warned that credit card and auto loan "flows into delinquency" increased. Specifically, credit card flows into delinquency have increased over the past year, while auto loan flows into delinquency have been steadily increasing for several years.
Putting these numbers in context, while the impact from these growing delinquencies on the larger financial sector may be muted, the Fed cautions that there are over 23 million consumers who hold subprime auto loans. These consumers may find their credit reports further damaged after a default or encounter further financial difficulties after experiencing a car repossession.
At this point it is worth recalling the explicit warning the NY Fed made three months ago on deteriorating trends in an other key debt product: credit cards.
“While relatively low, credit card delinquency flows climbed notably over the past year,” said Andrew Haughwout, senior vice president at the New York Fed. “This is occurring within the context of loosening lending standards, as borrowers with lower credit scores recover their ability to access credit cards. The current state of credit card delinquency flows can be an early indicator of future trends and we will closely monitor the degree to which this uptick is predictive of further consumer distress.”
I guess the trump boys being the great white hunters they are, need to bag an elephant for their trophy room....Dayum that is sure making progress making America Great again......what a stupid thing to do....But, menstral will continue his fellation of the POTUS and think elephants are in need of some mercy killing....
The Trump administration announced it will allow the trophies of legally hunted elephants from Zimbabwe and Zambia to be imported to the U.S., reversing an Obama-era ban.
The new regulation allows officials in Zimbabwe and Zambia to issue permits to import elephant heads if there is evidence that hunting benefits the animal’s conservation, ABC reported.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service issued a statement acknowledging the money that goes towards the trophy permits could in fact help the animals by "putting much-needed revenue back into conservation."
Another ugly rich white man posing with his store bought trophy wife.....what an asshole!!!!
Good Morning America
Treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin, wife cause internet sensation posing with sheets of money
Good Morning America MARK OSBORNE,Good Morning America 1 hour 58 minutes ago
No wonder why trump picked him.....he's about as good looking as a boil on my ass...
Treasury secretary, wife cause internet sensation posing with sheets of money
Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and actress wife Louise Linton are in the news over money again, but this time at least they're not in trouble over how they're spending it.
Instead, Mnuchin and Linton are eliciting plenty of memes online over a set of photos with them posing like a couple of James Bond villains as they clutch sheets of newly printed dollar bills.
Mnuchin was visiting the Bureau of Engraving and Printing in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday to see the first run of $1 bills featuring his signature.
See the "pastor" has started it up again. How the hell can he even think he acts like a pastor? Impossible to believe that he should ever have preached. Guess he's the Maxine Waters of preachers
WHAT A FUCKING PIECE OF POLITICAL SHIT HE IS and that is obviously what he really worships.
and wouldn't Maxine be a great candidate for him.
btw HOW DOES OBAMA'S BUTT TASTE or do you still have a MOUTHFUL of SHIT and answering would be impolite.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Another ugly rich white man posing with his store bought trophy wife.....what an asshole!!!!
Money is always offensive to communist as long as somebody else has it.
I believe James is entirely within his right to put words into Cowardly's mouth, seeing as how Cowardly first started signing the Rev. as a loser and pedophile which is slander and libel. How amusing to hear Cowardly whimpering now.
Maybe you should both stop it. It's childish and you're not fooling anybody.
whimpering james, I see you have swallowed. Actually as I have told you before I am not the source of that but believe whatever you want, you will have plenty of time in hell to contemplate. I have never started anything. unlike you do daily, but I am sure I will finish ROFLMFAO !!!
Take your crying towel somewhere else ASSHOLE
ROFLMFAO !!!
Commonsence, you are right but james is just trying to bully and I am not letting him. He stops I won't respond...
though it is fun punching him in the face each morning...
"Commonsence, you are right but james is just trying to bully and I am not letting him. He stops I won't respond..."
You've reduced him to being the insignificant jerk we ALL know him to be.
Commonsense said...
.....what an asshole!!!!
Money is always offensive to communist as long as somebody else has it.
I'm not offended by my money....done very well for myself and have a decent portfolio and pensions, something you will never have... As for assholes like trump and munchkin who flaunt it while lighting cigars with 20's is another story....One of my best friends made millions on wall street as a trader.....he sure doesn't tell everyone how he has done...like trump He also voted for him and has buyers remorse......oh well, I don't hold his vote against him like I do with you, menstra....My buddy has a brain and recognizes mistakes, you don't because you are not man enough to admit it.....
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