Saturday, November 4, 2017

Some fun facts on the Manafort Indictment

Let's start with the reality. While the first two charges are conspiracy to commit fraud against the United States, and Conspiracy to commit money laundering... the entire indictment pretty much falls under the broader umbrella of failing to register the proper paperwork as a foreign agent.

We got em on spitting on the sidewalk, conspiracy to commit littering, 
defamation of public concrete, lewd and lascivious use of saliva...

To put it bluntly, had the proper paperwork been filled out, Manafort would not be charged with conspiracy to commit fraud against the United States, nor would he be charged with conspiracy to launder money. Counts one and two both rely almost entirely on the Manafort paperwork problem, in order to justify the much more dramatic charges.

So what do we know about the horrific crimes that our crack Investigative team of 17 agents have come up with?
  • Over 60% of those who qualify as foreign agents do not properly fill out the necessary paperwork within a timely matter - as listed in Count 1 and counts 11-12 of the indictment.
  • Over 50% of those who qualify as foreign agents do not properly fill out the proper ongoing reports within a timely manner - as listed in Count 1 and Counts 3-10 of the indictment. 
  • The Podesta group mentioned in the indictment also had not filled out the proper paperwork, but was allowed to do so retroactively (in August of 2017). 
  • Only six people have ever been prosecuted for a failure to properly fill out their foreign agent forms. 
  • Only one person has ever been convicted of this particular offense. He was sentenced to 1 year in prison. 

So what we have here is a 31 page indictment that encompasses years and years worth of felony charges, all revolving around an 80 year old law that has only seen one person convicted and that person was sentenced to one year of jail time.

Of course, what it really means is that Donald Trump must have colluded with Russia.

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commie said...

Only six people have ever been prosecuted for a failure to properly fill out their foreign agent forms.
Only one person has ever been convicted of this particular offense. He was sentenced to 1 year in prison.

IOW's, it is CH's opinion the laws are inane and should be ignored... You are a good boy CH ... the constitution is just a guide under trump......LOLOLOL

Anonymous said...




so 0linsky made it on to mount rushmore after all:


http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/03/giant-wooden-penis-appears-on-top-of-a-mountain-7052049/



Loretta said...
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Loretta said...

"so 0linsky made it on to mount rushmore after all:"

President Olinsky or his husband?

Anonymous said...




suspicions confirmed. david cornhole from mommy jones is a real scumbag after all:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/02/david-corn-mother-jones-workplace-behavior-probe-244482




wphamilton said...

If you include tax fraud under your umbrella of "not filing paperwork" ... and defrauding banks for loans ... mob bosses nailed for stuff like this say the same thing, so you're in good company there.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

But every single day, another person who worked for or with the Trump campaign or administration, is exposed to have either lied under oath in regards to the connections between the President and the Russian government or business, or both.

1: Sessions in sworn testimony in I believe March of this year.
2: He was at the meeting we have seen, the famous picture, where several witnesses say he rejected contact with the old man and Putin.
3: "I have the best memory ever"
4: " I don't remember much about the meeting. " He was just the coffee boy. Who got to set in the meeting with Mr. Trump and Sessions.

The President is pushing for the justice department to prosecute "crooked Clinton " . This is how a dictatorship works. Some truly qualified Constitutional experts have said he is approaching the level of objectingjustice.

His irresponsible comments on the killer in New York city, deserved the death penalty. That's a gift to the lawyers who will defend him in the "worst" and "joke " of a justice system.

He continues to tweet attacks on the Justice Department.

These are the actions of a dictator. His admiration for Putin has been evident sins he emerged as a politician.

BTW CH you better take a look at the new book by President George H.W. Bush. BTW, I voted for him over Carter.

You keep trying to dodge bullets. One of these days, you won't be able to to duck fast enough.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Former President George H.W. Bush has a blunt assessment of Donald Trump: "He's a blowhard." And his son, former President George W. Bush, has harsh words for his Republican successor as well: "This guy doesn't know what it means to be president."

Those stinging comments mark the first time the former presidents are speaking out about Trump in such stark terms, as part of a new book about the father and son by historian Mark Updegrove, titled "The Last Republicans."

Both men went on the record to give Updegrove their candid assessment of Trump, as well as rare insight into their thoughts on the 2016 presidential race as the drama unfolded.

james said...

"Everybody is asking why the Justice Department (and FBI) isn't looking into all of the dishonesty going on with Crooked Hillary & the Dems..." Trump tweeted.

Maybe because they're too busy looking into all of the dishonesty going on with Crooked Donald and the Russians.

Anonymous said...

BTW CH you better take a look at the new book by President George H.W. Bush. BTW, I voted for him over Carter.
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poppy bush never ran against carter, genius.

stick to copying/pasting old news. whenever you attempt to convey your own thoughts you make yourself look like an imbecile.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

James, the entire blog master has been watching Fox News and omg, came to the same conclusion!!😎

Fox News Found a Russia Story It Likes: Obama and Clinton Were the Real Colluders!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I made a mistake. Tough shit idiot. BUSH shredded Trump lovers like you and how unqualified Trump is to be President. The rest of my comments, well, you don't know how to disagree with a rational response, but as usual, alky alky blah blah blah blah blah alky alky blah blah

You make a fool of yourself with every single comment.

Anonymous said...

These are the actions of a dictator.
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MICHAEL BARONE: Keep Calm And Carry On:



Keep calm and carry on. Those words, though not appearing as widely on posters in wartime Britain as often supposed, are good advice for Americans now appalled by the presidency of Donald Trump.

It is widely proclaimed that he is a president unlike any other, a threat to the institutions of republican government and democratic processes, an ignoramus whose impulsiveness may lead to nuclear war.

It’s true that every president since 1945 has had access to the nuclear trigger. And Trump’s insult-laden style and constant tweeting strikes many people (including me) as repugnant and, if sometimes momentarily effective in framing issues, often self-defeating in both the short and long run.

All that said, Trump’s actions, in contrast to many of his words, strike me as comparable to other presidents. One can argue that an office designed for someone as sternly self-disciplined as George Washington is overly powerful and prominent, but no one seriously contemplates restructuring the Constitution.

On a multitude of issues, the Trump administration has operated like others replacing a president of the opposite party. His judicial nominations, starting with Justice Neil Gorsuch, have been just what one expects from a Republican president.

His appointees have reversed predecessors’ regulations: Education Secretary Betsy DeVos on college and university sexual assault kangaroo courts, EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt on regulations aimed at shutting down coal mining.

The Trump team is operating in a target-rich environment, due to Barack Obama’s legally dubious “pen and phone” executive orders like the DACA “Dreamers” amnesty and spending unappropriated funds on Obamacare’s cost-saving reduction payments. The Congressional Review Act, a 1996 Newt Gingrich innovation that lay dormant for 20 years, has enabled narrow Republican congressional majorities to overturn more regulations than Democrats ever anticipated.



The nonstop freakoutrage about Trump was intended to “denormalize” him, but it’s had the effect of denormalizing his opposition, which would be a lot more effective if it behaved normally.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/280044/#respond




james said...

I'm a fucking loser.

Signed,

Rev James Boswell pedophile

wphamilton said...

So, Mr Trump, why ISN'T your Justice Department looking into Crooked Hillary? It was YOUR campaign promise after all, and they answer to you. Nominally. Is it just another example of your phony fecklessness and weak leadership?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

“You know, the saddest thing is, because I am the president of the United States, I am not supposed to be involved with the Justice Department. I’m not supposed to be involved with the FBI,” Trump said. “I’m not supposed to be doing the kind of things I would love to be doing and I am very frustrated by it.”

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Trump calls for a 'punishment that's far quicker and far greater' for terrorists
Following the Oct. 31 terrorist attack, President Trump called for "stronger justice" in terrorism cases, saying the U.S. is currently a "laughingstock." (Photo: Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
The president said it was “very discouraging to me” that the Justice Department and FBI were not “going after Hillary Clinton.” He added, “Hopefully they are doing something and at some point, maybe we are going to all have it out.”

The White House offered no explanation for why Trump publicly pressured the Justice Department on Friday. A Justice Department spokesman also declined to comment.

Anonymous said...

BUSH shredded Trump lovers like you
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i hate to break this to you alky, but i don't rise every day seeking approval of my political opinions from ANYONE - republican OR democrat.

you may require bush's comments to validate YOUR opinions, but to me bush's comments are just that - bush's comments. influence on me: zero.



"The rest of my comments, well, you don't know how to disagree with a rational response"


alky, when you post comments that you can truly call your very own, and they contain a modicum of rationality, i might feel compelled to respond.

but i don't see that happening anytime soon.

lately, i've found your presence around here rather boorish. CH has done a splendid job of cleaning your clock with the greatest of ease, rendering you a babbling mess whose only hope of saving face is to desperately change the subject.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

rrb surrendered.

No loss.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

President Donald Trump has claimed he does not need to fill vacant government posts because he is “the only one that matters”.

He's got the best memory!

"I don't remember much about it" Coffee boy.. "PhD, outstanding".

He's the worst decision by the voters, and perhaps even more with the Russians, and unless they use the 25th Amendment or #impeachment. 3.4 more years will be very dangerous.

Myballs said...

Trump was elected because a historically corrupt candidate rigged the primary. Bernie might be president now if it had been honest.

Loretta said...

"lately, i've found your presence around here rather boorish. CH has done a splendid job of cleaning your clock with the greatest of ease, rendering you a babbling mess whose only hope of saving face is to desperately change the subject."

The drunkard better put some ice on that...

Loretta said...

Spam by the drunkard

C.H. Truth said...

IOW's, it is CH's opinion the laws are inane and should be ignored

Um... nope. Just pointing out that 99.9% plus of investigators and prosecutors believe these laws should be ignored. Including Mueller and gang when the same issues applied to the Podesta group.

And that 100% of the Judges sentencing in this case thought 1 year in prison was the justifiable sentence.


Those are simply facts, Opie...

Not an opinion.

Loretta said...

Spam by the drunkard

C.H. Truth said...

If you include tax fraud

I am curious WP...

Why do you suppose there are no specific charges for tax fraud? Certainly they were mentioned as the underlying reason for the charges of money laundering and not filing the paperwork in question. But there was not a specific "tax fraud" charge provided in the actual "Counts" of the indictment.

That's not a rhetorical question. I have sent that same question to several people I respect and have not really gotten a solid answer. I mean, either they did or did not pay taxes and or they did or did not commit tax fraud?

Loretta said...

"BTW CH you better take a look at the new book by President George H.W. Bush. BTW, I voted for him over Carter."

LOL.

Loretta said...

"So, Mr Trump, why ISN'T your Justice Department looking into Crooked Hillary?"

We didn't hire a second Obama....

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

George H W Bush voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Loretta said...

Big deal.

Anonymous said...

We are more embedded FOR Trump.

Nancy Pelosi "knock off impeachment talk".

Can't put the batshit crazy loonies back in the alky bottle.

Anonymous said...

Bring back pre- Nov 9th. 2016 @ 3 am WP, please.

Anonymous said...

IN Texas, ok. You win.


You said Obama bankrupted and nearly destroyed the DNC .

Anonymous said...

RRB. Must read 10:31 am. Clear of thought. Positively fillet Alky.

Anonymous said...

Alky do you stand by your trashing of obama and hillary?

james said...

Goodness! For once I agree with the Trump White House:

In response to George W. Bush's (and his father's) strong criticisms of Trump, the [Trump] White House said the Bush legacy "begins with the Iraq war, one of the greatest foreign policy mistakes in American history."

Indeed, indeed. One of the biggest mistakes in ALL of American history.

james said...

Bush 41 and Bush 43 Worried Trump Is Destroying the GOP

“President Trump is not a favorite in the extended Bush household. Former President George Bush considers him a ‘blowhard,’ only interested in feeding his own ego.

Former President George W. Bush, his son, thinks Mr. Trump fans public anger and came to office without any understanding of the job,” the New York Times reports.

“And both worry that Mr. Trump has blown up a Republican Party that they spent two lifetimes building, a party that was once committed to removing boundaries to trade and immigration, promoting democracy and civil society and asserting a robust American leadership role in the world, according to an author who has interviewed them.”

Anonymous said...

Donna Brazille said Hillary made her feel like a "Slave".

james said...

Trump Bodyguard Faces Questions About Moscow Trip

“One of President Trump’s most trusted confidants, a security chief who served as his sounding board for nearly two decades, will face questions from congressional investigators next week about Trump’s 2013 trip to Moscow,” the Washington Post reports.

“The excursion is at the center of some of the most salacious allegations contained in a now-famous dossier, which contains unverified charges that Trump has vehemently disputed.”
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Are we in for prostitutes making a golden stream?

Anonymous said...

Hillary clinton campaign had the stench of failure, Donna Brazille

james said...

That's Congressional investigators, not Mueller.

Anonymous said...

Donna Brazille the DNC Leader wanted to replace hillary/Caine after hillary's fall on Sept 11th, 2016.

james said...

Will the day finally come when we have a Congressional investigation into the allegations of sexual predation lodged against Trump by several women and whether he lied when he, the professed grabber, claimed he had never grabbed anyone after claiming that he had?

LOL

Loretta said...

Spam by the pedo.

Loretta said...

Liberals attacking again...

"Sen. Rand Paul was assaulted at his home in Bowling Green, Kentucky on Friday afternoon, leaving minor injuries, according to local news outlets."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-rand-paul-assaulted-at-home-in-kentucky

Anonymous said...

Street Tugs, the community organizer full on legacy.

"Felt like a slave (( working for Hillary))" Donna Brazille

commie said...

CH the hypocrite posted.....

Um... nope. Just pointing out that 99.9% plus of investigators and prosecutors believe these laws should be ignored

So in your opinion, you agree with the opinion that you created that the laws should be ignored....Too funny!!!! Thanx for that chuckle!!!

Anonymous said...

"Hillary NY Campaign Headquarters felt like a sterile hospital, where things go to die" Donna Brazille

Anonymous said...

GO DAWGS,,

Commonsense said...

Knew it. Mueller really didn't have anything so he's charging him with a process crime.

Anonymous said...

Today is Democrat ANTIFA Day.

Anonymous said...

Yep, now he wrapped that up. Will he move to Hillary/Obama/DNC.

Private Chat with Dnc leadership of Debbie Washerman and Donna Brazille.

C.H. Truth said...

So in your opinion, you agree with the opinion that you created that the laws should be ignored..

My opinion is that the laws should be enforced equally.

If 60% of people are breaking a law, then everyone should be prosecuted nobody should be prosecuted.

You don't allow Investigators to allow one person to be given a pass, while another is provided an 9 count indictment for the same issue... simply because the second person happens to be someone of a particular political affiliation.


but that whole "fairness thing" is just my opinion.

obviously it doesn't really fit in with the whole hypocrisy thing that you liberals believe so strongly in.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Some facts that are interesting.

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The FBI has begun turning over to Senate investigators hundreds of pages of memos regarding the bureau's probe into Hillary Clinton's private email server, sources told The Hill.

The sources said the Justice Department notified the Senate Judiciary Committee late Friday and the FBI began transmitting memos soon after to assist Congress in its review of former Director James Comey's handling of the Clinton email case.

The memos detail how and when the bureau's leadership declined to pursue criminal charges against Clinton for transmitting classified information on her private email server as secretary of State, an investigation that has remained controversial since the 2016 presidential campaigns.

FBI officials declined to comment. "We don't have any information for you," spokeswoman Carol Cratty told The Hill.

commie said...

My opinion is that the laws should be enforced equally.

IOW's whenever you feel it is needed...Got it !!!! How the mighty has changed his position. Sad. Very sad...

commie said...

And the news gets better and better....Front page WAPO...


Trump’s approval rating is far lower than any president in 7 decades of polling
A majority of Americans say President Trump has not accomplished much during his first nine months in office, and they have delivered a report card that is far harsher even than the tepid expectations they set for his tenure when he was sworn into office, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News survey.
Fewer than 4 in 10 Americans — 37 percent — say they approve of the way Trump is handling his job. His disapproval rating has reached 59 percent, with 50 percent saying they strongly disapprove of the job he is doing. Although the ratings have changed little in the past four months, both represent the worst marks of his presidency.
By Dan Balz and Scott Clement

commie said...

Chucklebee's memorable moments of BS... a must view

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi1b4eU8WGY

Anonymous said...

Can Muller, shield obama-hillary?

commie said...

Can Muller, shield obama-hillary?

From what, your stupidity???? ? LOLOL

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You are "silly" if you believe the Fake News Presidential poll.

Anonymous said...

Believe them, HB.

One year ago today, 97 % chance sir Hillary was going to be President.

Anonymous said...

"Felt like a slave" Oh Donna, Sir Hillary just wanted to know you knew your place.

Sir Hillary has a lot of LBJ in her.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I was worried about this President would be laying down the foundation for World War Three on the "American Embarrassment Asian Tour", and unfortunately I was correct.

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President Donald Trump warned nations against challenging the U.S. as he rallied American troops in Japan on the first stop of his 11-day tour of Asia.

Speaking to U.S. and Japanese military personnel on Sunday at Yokota Air Base in western Tokyo, Trump said he would push for freedom in the region and fair trade in meetings with other leaders. He also exuded confidence in the U.S. military as tensions rise with North Korea.

“We dominate the sky, we dominate the sea, we dominate the land and space,” Trump said. “No one -- no dictator, no regime and no nation -- should underestimate ever American resolve. Every once in a while in the past they underestimated us. It was not pleasant for them, was it.”

Concerns over provocations from North Korea have risen as Kim Jong Un’s regime continues to develop its nuclear and ballistic missile programs in defiance of international sanctions. Trump has threatened military action to stop Pyongyang from obtaining the ability to strike the continental U.S. with a nuclear weapon.


“As long as I am president, the service men and women who defend our nation will have the equipment, the resources and the funding they need to secure our homeland, to respond to our enemies quickly and decisively, and when necessary to fight, to overpower, and to always, always, always win,” he said.

After speaking to troops, Trump met Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe for nine holes of golf, accompanied by Japanese golf sensation Hideki Matsuyama. The two leaders earlier autographed white hats that featured a play on Trump’s campaign slogan, "Make Alliance Even Greater." They are scheduled to have a private dinner on Sunday night ahead of more formal meetings and a joint press briefing on Monday.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-05/trump-says-u-s-to-push-for-open-and-free-pacific-on-asia-trip
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So for those people who have children of military age, get ready for the knock on the door from an American soldier in uniform, carrying a notification folder and a solemn face, be prepared.

Anonymous said...

Chris Matthews advise to the Dems, the white voter matters.

Anonymous said...

Will someone, anyone Help HB to the fainting couch.

Lordie.

Anonymous said...

Why would they knock on my door, My son is a Sr. In college not serving in the Army like I did?

We have an all volunteer Armed Forces.

Commonsense said...

Roger never figured out that weakness always leads to war while streight always leads to peace.

On other words, when a tin-pot dictator realizes that his life-expectancy would be shorter than a fruit-fly's if he challenges the United States his decision becomes a whole lot easier.

Loretta said...

"So for those people who have children of military age, get ready for the knock on the door from an American soldier in uniform, carrying a notification folder and a solemn face, be prepared."

One of, out of many, the dumbest things the drunkard has ever said.

Commonsense said...

This has kind of flown under the radar but it shouldn't.

In Shocking Purge, Saudi King Arrests Billionaire Prince Bin Talal, Dozens Of Others In Cabinet Crackdown

Forget about the corruption and money laundering charges. This may have been about stopping a coup attempt by conservative members of the royal family opposed the the King's moderazation programs.

commie said...

This may have been about stopping a coup attempt by conservative members of the royal family opposed the the King's modernization programs.

Good for them....

commie said...

One of, out of many, the dumbest things the drunkard has ever said.

Too funny coming from our intellectually disabled loser....LOL

commie said...

Stumpy the idiot posted....

We have an all volunteer Armed Forces.

And why doesn't your spawn volunteer?????

Anonymous said...

Blogger Commonsense said...
Roger never figured out that weakness always leads to war while streight always leads to peace.
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the alky prefers his presidents to be gutless, spineless, apologetic cowards like 0linsky.



commie said...

the alky prefers his presidents to be gutless, spineless, apologetic cowards like 0linsky.

Like draft dodger trump and his disabling bone spurs??? LOL

Anonymous said...

Blogger Loretta said...
Liberals attacking again...

"Sen. Rand Paul was assaulted at his home in Bowling Green, Kentucky on Friday afternoon, leaving minor injuries, according to local news outlets."
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i'm a little disappointed in the senator. he should've been carrying and his assailant should be in the morgue right now, full of holes.

wphamilton said...

Why do you suppose there are no specific charges for tax fraud?

They threw the book at Manafort. I am certain that there were, with specific statute cited. Also fraudulent bank loans.

Anonymous said...

They threw the book at Manafort. I am certain that there were, with specific statute cited. Also fraudulent bank loans.
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if only they were listed in the indictment, which they are not.

Loretta said...

"the alky prefers his presidents to be gutless, spineless, apologetic cowards like 0linsky."

Exactly.

There's a reason the majority of the military supports Trump.

They know he has their back.

Loretta said...

"They threw the book at Manafort."

Um, "throwing the book at him" would have included charges of collusion, treason.....

Commonsense said...

Yes they did, it's as close to a case of Malicious prosecution that you are going to get.

As CH has pointed out, the whole raison d'etre for these charges is a failure to properly fill out government forms.

At most this is a fine and a small fine at that.

I would not be surprised if a judge dismisses the charges for excessiveness and lack of evidence.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The uranium sale scandal is false. It got a red "false" on Snopes.

https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal
Fact Check Politics
Hillary Clinton Gave 20 Percent of United States' Uranium to Russia in Exchange for Clinton Foundation Donations?
Allegations of a "quid pro quo" deal giving Russia ownership of one-fifth of U.S. uranium deposits in exchange for $145 million in donations.
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ORIGIN
In the months leading up to the 2016 United States presidential election, stories abounded about the relationships between the Clinton Foundation and various foreign entities.

May 2015 saw the publication of a book called Clinton Cash: The Untold Story of How and Why Foreign Governments and Businesses Helped Make Bill and Hillary Rich, an exposé of alleged Clinton Foundation corruption written by Peter Schweizer, a former Hoover Institution fellow and editor-at-large at the right-wing media company Breitbart.

A chapter in the book suggests that the Clinton family and Russia each may have benefited from a “pay-for-play” scheme while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, involving the transfer of U.S. uranium reserves to the new Russian owners of an international mining operation in exchange for $145 million in donations to the Clinton Foundation.

The mining company, Uranium One, was originally based in South Africa, but merged in 2007 with Canada-based UrAsia Energy. Shareholders there retained a controlling interest until 2010, when Russia’s nuclear agency, Rosatom, completed purchase of a 51% stake. Hillary Clinton played a part in the transaction insofar as it involved the transfer of ownership of a material deemed important to national security — uranium, amounting to one-fifth of U.S. reserves (a fraction re-estimated by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission at closer to one-tenth of the United States’ uranium production capacity in 2017) — thus requiring the approval of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS), on which the U.S. Secretary of State sits.

During the same time frame that the acquisition took place, the Clinton Foundation accepted contributions from nine individuals associated with Uranium One totaling more than $100 million, Schweizer claimed in Clinton Cash. Among those who followed Schweizer in citing the transaction as an instance of alleged Clinton corruption was GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump, who said during a June 2016 speech in New York City:

Hillary Clinton’s State Department approved the transfer of 20% of America’s uranium holdings to Russia, while nine investors in the deal funneled $145 million to the Clinton Foundation.
Trump’s campaign repeated the allegation in a September 2016 press release, and again in an October 2016 television ad stating that Clinton “gave American uranium rights to the Russians”:


An image circulating via social media during the final months of the presidential campaign asked the question, “So Hillary, if Russia is such a threat, why did you sell them 20% of our uranium? Are you a liar, or a traitor, or both?”

clinton-uranium
The Uranium One deal was not Clinton’s to veto or approve

Among the ways these accusations stray from the facts is in attributing a power of veto or approval to Secretary Clinton that she simply did not have. Clinton was one of nine cabinet members and department heads that sit on the CFIUS, and the secretary of the treasury is its chairperson. CFIUS members are collectively charged with evaluating proposed foreign acquisitions for potential national security issues, then turning their findings over to the president. By law, the committee can’t veto a transaction; only the president can.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...


All nine federal agencies and the Utah Division of Radiation Control were required to approve the Uranium One transaction before it could go forward. According to The New York Times, Clinton may not have even directly participated in the decision. Then-Assistant Secretary of State Jose Fernandez, whose job it was to represent the State Dept. on CFIUS, said Clinton “never intervened” in committee matters. Clinton herself has said she wasn’t personally involved.

wphamilton said...

CH, 26 U.S. Code § 7201 - Attempt to evade or defeat tax is cited in count 2 (b) of the indictment.

If you're asking for a technical explanation of the statutes listed in the heading under the statute section, you should probably consult a trained lawyer. In my own civil pro-se experience, I felt that it was the most difficult portion of the entire complaint, with minefields that you wouldn't expect, and of course I've never written a criminal indictment.

The government seeks to seize multi-million dollar properties in the US which were purchased from the income, based on the charges of tax evasion listed in the indictment. What are the implications of the specific code listed in "Criminal No." heading section, only a criminal lawyer can drill down to that for you, but I can say that it is more complicated than you may believe.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

when a tin-pot wannabe dictator realizes that his life-expectancy would be shorter than a fruit-fly's he tweets impulsively and again and again makes our beloved country looks like we lost our minds .

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

No problem wp, I will follow up later. Gym today.

Loretta said...

"The uranium sale scandal is false. It got a red "false" on Snopes."

That was before we knew the ugly truth.

wphamilton said...

The indictment lists tax evasion, bank fraud, and other felonies. They charged him with the most serious crimes that they could nail him with, while having confidence in a conviction. You don't charge people like that with the most serious crimes that that they may have committed (that's for less powerful people like you and me).

"throwing the book at him" would have included charges of collusion, treason....."

see above.

Loretta said...

"when a tin-pot wannabe dictator realizes that his life-expectancy would be shorter than a fruit-fly's he tweets impulsively and again and again makes our beloved country looks like we lost our minds ."

...as Roger faints and clutches his pearls, lol.

Loretta said...

"You don't charge people like that with the most serious crimes that that they may have committed"

Of course they do.

There's either evidence of a conspiracy or there isn't.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
The uranium sale scandal is false. It got a red "false" on Snopes.
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excuse me alky, but if you had been keeping up with current events you would know that snopes' credibility has cratered. for chrissakes, respectable liberals don't even reference it anymore.

wphamilton said...

CFIUS, said Clinton “never intervened” in committee matters. Clinton herself has said she wasn’t personally involved

Fits her pattern, since her past defenses to criminal activity was (literally) that she was too stupid to know what was going on, and that has worked for her.

Maybe it's my overactive sense of irony, but I see a strong parallel here between Clinton defenders and Trump defenders. Clinton didn't "intervene with committees", she wasn't "personally" involved. Trump didn't intervene in his staff's meetings and other contacts, he wasn't personally involved with the efforts of his staff to cooperate with Russia. Both defenses could crumble with close enough scrutiny, given evidence of their actual involvement. The main difference is that Clinton has demonstrated no hesitation to make a legal claim that she was too incompetent or outright stupid to be aware of any crime, where I don't really see Trump doing that.

Anonymous said...

Clinton herself has said she wasn’t personally involved.
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thanks alky.

i'll add this to the pile of "shit hillary clinton has lied about."

Commonsense said...

he wasn't personally involved with the efforts of his staff to cooperate with Russia.

What efforts of his staff to cooperate with Russia?

There's not a shred of evidence. The only thing that comes close is Junior's meeting with a connected Russian lawyer and nothing came of that.

So unlike Hillary Clinton who actually paid Russian officials for information.

Anonymous said...

You don't charge people like that with the most serious crimes that that they may have committed (that's for less powerful people like you and me).
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


you do if you wish for your investigation to have an air of legitimacy.

perhaps at this point mueller just doesn't care. he, like comey, is a partisan hack, albeit a polished one. we knew the game was rigged when he stacked his team with clinton-ites.

apparently he just doesn't give a shit.

wphamilton said...

"Of course they do. "

You really believe that? The Al Capone prosecution is the model - you think that the most serious crime that Capone was guilty of was tax evasion?

Think of all of the financial sector executives whose fraudulent investment packages caused the housing sector collapse of our economy. Every one of them involved, who knowingly profited in any way, "should" have been charged with theft by fraud. At least. But how many were?

No the reality is that you don't charge someone like Manafort with treason, even if you think his crimes rose to that level. If you had a smoking gun, sure, but you nail him with what will stick. No political circus, no over-reaching show trial. Meuller's still got work to do, possibly Flynn is in the crosshairs now but there could be a number of steps before that happens, if ever. Unless you're channeling McCarthy, and whatever you say about him Meuller isn't McCarthy, the political charges (which is what an impeachment is) don't exist until the end. Or they won't exist at all, whichever happens.

wphamilton said...

CS, George Papadopoulos has already pleaded guilty so you can't credibly use that "no shred of evidence" line any more.

Commonsense said...

whatever you say about him Meuller isn't McCarthy

He's McCarthy. He doesn't care about conviction. It's all about destroying reputations.

Commonsense said...

CS, George Papadopoulos has already pleaded guilty so you can't credibly use that "no shred of evidence" line any more.

First off Papadopoulos wasn't campaign staff. He was an outside advisor.

And second he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about the timing of his meeting. How you made the connection from that to Russian collusion is beyond me.

Again nohing came of that meeting.

C.H. Truth said...

WP

CH, 26 U.S. Code § 7201 is not listed as one of the counts.

His only citing of 7201 is to partially justify the conspiracy to commit laundering. He technically did not charge them with that particular violation.

(b) conduct financial transactions, affecting interstate and foreign commerce, knowing that the property involved in the financial transactions would represent the proceeds of some form of unlawful activity, and the transactions in fact would involve the proceeds of Specified Unlawful Activity, knowing that such financial transactions were designed in whole and in part (i) to engage in conduct constituting a violation of sections 7201 and 7206 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, and (ii) to conceal and disguise the nature, location, source, ownership, and control of the proceeds of the Specified Unlawful Activity, contrary to Title 18, United States Code, Section 1956(a)(l)(A)(ii) and 1956(a)(l)(B)(i).

So it still begs the question, why?

And given these fund transfers are reported to the IRS and Government on an ongoing basis and that the FBI and others have been aware of them since those transactions took place... it would seem curious that he was not charged previously with tax fraud.


The way it is "worded" and if you might want to "read between the lines" -

the concept of all the goods, services, real estate, etc... being deemed in the indictment as Manafort/Gates purchasing "personal items" and living a "lavish lifestyle" -

might make it likely as if all of this was written off as business expenses that Mueller is suggesting should not have been written off.

Why else would Mueller take the time to itemize what was purchased and to make personal observations about "lavish lifestyle" choices.

Again, that is purely speculation... but it seems like the most reasonable explanation at this point as to why tax fraud has never been charged (either previously or in this particular indictment).

Loretta said...

"You really believe that? The Al Capone prosecution is the model - you think that the most serious crime that Capone was guilty of was tax evasion?"

Public outcry over the Saint Valentine's day massacre led to getting him off of the streets as soon as possible.

wphamilton said...

It is cited in order to seize multi-million dollar properties in the USA. Perhaps that is your answer CH.

You're asking a very technical question, and inferring some great significance to the answer - which in all probability isn't there.

Penalties for tax evasion include a fine and/or up to 5 years. These penalties are already sought under other statutes, along with forfeiture of property. There are any number of answers to your question, but NOT among those answers is a belief that he isn't guilty of evasion.

wphamilton said...

Public outcry over the Saint Valentine's day massacre led to getting him (Pacone) off of the streets as soon as possible.

Yes, and what was he indicted and convicted of?

Loretta said...

He was convicted on what they could prove, not speculate...

...guess they couldn't "prove" the bootlegging claims. You know, the "original" concern at the time.

Bad example, unless you're arguing Mueller can't "prove" collusion, treason, etc.

wphamilton said...

He was convicted on what they could prove, not speculate...

Tax evasion. He was the head of a criminal enterprise for which murder was a tool used to facilitate bootlegging, among other crimes. There was a reason he was charged with tax evasion, and it wasn't that he wasn't guilty of those other crimes.

Bad example, unless you're arguing Mueller can't "prove" collusion, treason, etc.

Wrong question. He cannot convict Mueller of treason. Proof, or evidence, does not always lead to conviction. You can be sure that there was plenty of evidence against Al Capone, evidence against the bankers whose greed collapsed our economy, but not sufficient proof to convict them of those charges.

There is plenty of evidence against Manafort. He stands accused of among other things of defrauding the IRS, regardless of anyone's internet lawyer attempts to reason otherwise. Why are you trying to soft-pedal the crimes of which Manafort is accused? What is there about Manafort's past business, or his past clients, that induce such a reach for a sympathetic perspective?

Is is only due to his association with Trump? Imagine, had you read this indictment, and looked into this man's history, his past business and personal conduct, and if he'd had nothing to do with a political campaign, would you have any reaction at all other than hoping that the prosecution had their ducks in a row?

Loretta said...

"Why are you trying to soft-pedal the crimes of which Manafort is accused?"

I'm doing no such thing. No skin off my neck if he's convicted of tax evasion, fraud, etc.

I want the truth about any collusion between Trump and Russia.

So far, we don't have ANY evidence....whether it's Manafort, or his sidekick.

I guarantee you, IF Mueller has "proof" Manafort and his sidekick would be charged with conspiracy to commit.

Now, if this is as good as it gets...a lot of never Trumpers are going to need a lot of Xanax for this one.

wphamilton said...

His sidekick has already pleaded guilty, so you'll have to adjust your "no shred of evidence" line.

If Trump is indicted for money laundering, tax fraud and lying to investigators about Russian contacts - if that's as good as it gets - I think that will be plenty. That's what I mean by "soft-pedaling", this idea that the crimes which they stand accused are trivial. Objectively, they're more serious than were expected at this early stage.

Anonymous said...

President Trump.

Anonymous said...

Snopes, Lordie

Last person earth to know anything is HB and Hillary.

Anonymous said...

Lol, god help you. You have devolved a tic

Loretta said...

"His sidekick has already pleaded guilty, so you'll have to adjust your "no shred of evidence" line"

He pled guilty of conspiracy to commit collusion, paying the Russians to hack into the DNC?

"If Trump is indicted for money laundering, tax fraud and lying to investigators about Russian contacts - if that's as good as it gets - I think that will be plenty"

Has Trump even been interviewed by Mueller or the FBI? Nope.

"they're more serious than were expected at this early stage."

Actually, it was expected that Mueller would bring out the BIG bombs. NOT bombs from before the Trump campaign was a gleem in our eyes...

commie said...

Loretta said...
He was convicted on what they could prove, not speculate...

Dayum women, WP just stole your lunch money and all you can do is blame the DNC and hope he has not been interviewed...he sure does have a lot of on the record comments that could bury his old white, ass...>LOLOLOL

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

clinton-uranium
The Uranium One deal was not Clinton’s to veto or approve

Among the ways these accusations stray from the facts is in attributing a power of veto or approval to Secretary Clinton that she simply did not have. Clinton was one of nine cabinet members and department heads that sit on the CFIUS, and the secretary of the treasury is its chairperson. CFIUS members are collectively charged with evaluating proposed foreign acquisitions for potential national security issues, then turning their findings over to the president. By law, the committee can’t veto a transaction; only the president can.

If she didn't have the authority, it sinks the UST-Trumpism. UST is the United States Trump. His staff tries to contain him and keep the (Football) out of his reach.

commie said...

KD said...
Snopes, Lordie

Lordie ....pagan idiot that is all you got.....whcih proves what.....??????? How about some words that proves slopes research wrong.....You ain't got any....idiot as usual....

Looks like flynn and son to be indicted!!!! This will be fun watching the spin!!!!

Loretta said...

Thanks for the conversation WP. Always enjoy your take on things!

The trolls have arrived...

Commonsense said...

Looks like flynn and son to be indicted!!!

They didn't say what the charges will be but I suspect it will be another bullshit process crime.

Anonymous said...

Coal and oil jobs grow again in Oct 2017.

Myballs said...

Someone posted 'if trump is indicted' as if that projection has some sort of merit. Perhaps i should start posting about if hillary of obama get indicted. That is at least as likely.

Anonymous said...

Yep

FBI Confidencal Informant.

Stand by team obama/hillary.

A year ago her cancer of being prez was 85 %.

Anonymous said...

Trump to meet with Putin.

TRUMP WILL THANK PUTIN FOR FOOLING WEAKMINDED, NON TRUMP VOTERS.

Anonymous said...

So much fun mocking the losers.

Alex Baldwin rage against Trump, then deletes account.

NOV 8TH, 2017 PARTY TIME.

LaFoya said...

Sexual misconduct allegations rock statehouses

Statehouses from Boston to Sacramento have been rocked by an onslaught of sexual misconduct allegations, creating unprecedented pressure on state legislative leaders to take immediate action.

Amid a flood of recent testimonials from female legislators, staff and lobbyists, a portrait is fast emerging of male-dominated state capitol cultures rife with sexual harassment and bereft of protections for victims, where complaints from women frequently languish — or are outright ignored.
________________

When the President of the United States can get away with gross misconduct toward women...

Loretta said...

Spam by the pedo.

Commonsense said...

No more so than the fired pastor of Bellflower Church of Christ.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

More than 20 people were killed after a gunman walked into a church in a rural community about 30 miles east of San Antonio and opened fire on Sunday, an official said.
The official, Paul W. Pfeil, a Wilson County, Tex., commissioner, said he did not have a total count of the number of dead but said it was “more than 20.”

Prayers for the losses. Horrible

Anonymous said...

Why is bitch ing about Bill the Rapist?

Hillary the inabler.

Anonymous said...

Papa Johns Corp. Investors would be wise to put in sell orders of that stock now. He brought race and racism into his companies sales drop.

Anonymous said...

Yawn, Chicago had that many at mid-month last month and month after month after month after month after month....

commie said...

Commonsense said...
Looks like flynn and son to be indicted!!!

They didn't say what the charges will be but I suspect it will be another bullshit process crime.

I'm sure the flynn's will find solace in your comment knowing any charges will be bullshit....LOL at your idiocy....

Seems another trump cabinet member has a big investment in a Putin oil company.....gee, when will this bullshit end.....

Another massacre with a semi auto weapon.....and KD the goat fucker compares it to Chicago....is douche bag your middle name farmer asshole/??????

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

A gunman walked into a small Baptist church in rural Texas on Sunday and opened fire, killing at least 25 people and turning a tiny town east of San Antonio into the scene of the country’s most recent mass horror.

Representative Henry Cuellar of Texas confirmed the death toll, which has steadily increased throughout the day after the shooting at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs.

Accounts of the number of dead have varied: Paul W. Pfeil, a Wilson County, Tex., commissioner, said that he did not have a total count of those killed but that it was “more than 20.”

Albert Gamez Jr., another Wilson County commissioner, told CNN that he was told by an emergency medical technician that 27 people were dead and 24 others were injured. He said he was told by the police that the gunman was chased into the next county and was killed, but it was not clear whether the police shot him or he killed himself.

Mr. Gamez said the victims were still inside the church. Sutherland Springs is a small community where everyone knows one another, he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/us/church-shooting-texas.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The Rev. James Boswell said...

I am watching the video provided by the NYT of the service of this tiny little Baptist church last Sunday. It is just typical of such a church. I can't help wondering, as I see people shaking hands and hugging, how many of them may have been killed today including which of the children. I heard that the pastor's 14 year old daughter was killed.

The Rev. James Boswell said...

The death toll seems to be ca. 25-28 with twenty or more wounded. As I watch the video, I can only think it seems to be one of the last places something like this would happen. The community itself is so small that twenty dead is a significant portion of the population.

commie said...

The community itself is so small that twenty dead is a significant portion of the population.

And the goat fornicator just yawns as if he couldn't care less that the slaughter continues because people have weapons of war. Stupid jag off....

Commonsense said...

commie said...

And the goat fornicator just yawns


Lord Dennis why do you bother? All of your comments and insults do is make you look like a stupid moron.

Unless of course, that is the look you're going for.

The Rev. James Boswell said...


I just watched the entire service. Hard to believe it happened there. I just read the pastor was away this Sunday and a child of his was among the children killed.

jThe Rev. James Boswell said...

Commonsense said...
No more so than the fired pastor of Bellflower Church of Christ.
2:33 PM
____________________

There is no Bellflower Church of Christ.

There is a Bellflower Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and they did fire a pastor 24 years ago. Since then they have had three pastors, one of whom was me and none of whom was fired.

I know Commsense will appreciate this clarification as he would never want to bear false witness against any pastor or any church.

Commonsense said...

And yet I've never known a pastor who so easily bears false witness as you.

And that's saying something.

The Rev. James Boswell said...

I preached on forgiveness this morning, how Jesus said, "Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses."

So I forgive you, Commonsense, for attempting to bear false witness against me and the Bellflower congregation.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Time to break out the handy "Mass shooting in US checklist":
1. Send thoughts & prayers but not actually do anything useful✔
2. Argue over semantics of the term "assault rifle"✔
3. Argue over semantics of the term "terrorist" - if Muslim use it, if Christian/white use term "lone wolf" "mentally ill" "troubled past"✔
4. Congress does nothing but NRA increases donations just in
case ✔
5. Wait for next one, rinse,repeat

NOT MINE

The Rev. James Boswell said...

Exactly as I feared: The pastor, Pomeroy, preached a sermon last Sunday in which he used riding a motorcycle as a sermon illustration, and fondly talked about riding his young daughter to church behind him that morning. It was she, Annabelle, age 14, who is among the dead.

The Rev. James Boswell said...

The man who did the shooting was an ex-serviceman, dishonorably discharged.

He used a semi-automatic rifle.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

(S) “In short, the House Judiciary Committee voted to impeach Nixon because he sought to turn the immense power of the Justice Department and federal criminal investigative agencies against his political adversaries. Although these articles of impeachment were never approved by the full House of Representatives because Nixon resigned before a vote could be taken, it received more votes in committee than any other proposed article. No respectable scholar of the Constitution doubts that directing the criminal justice and intelligence systems of the United States against political opponents, for purposes unrelated to the impartial enforcement of the law or preservation of legitimate national security interests, is among the impeachable “high crimes and misdemeanors” of Article II, Section 4.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I grew up around guns. Had my own at 12. A dead shot. We would put a Coca-Cola bottle cap on tree, pace back 100 steps. We had a ,22 caliber bolt action. Trying to remember the brand. It had a 4 times scope on it. I usually hit it the first shot. Sometimes we bet beers on who shot best.

I never bought the beer.

But, I am always troubled with gun control. He should never even to buy that gun. But, will we ever fix this, so many more will die.

Anonymous said...

What ribbon will the left assign to this shooting, yawn, to make themselves feel better, it is fall so how about a nice orange. The snowflake melt diverted.

Loretta said...

Spam by the drunkard

Loretta said...

LV shooter targeted conservatives...

Tx shooter targeted conservatives...

Antifa.

Anonymous said...

Rand Paul, 4 broken ribs, tackled in his own yard by leftist .

Loretta said...

Facebook spam.

Commonsense said...

But, I am always troubled with gun control.

I'm not.

1. Gun control is unconstitutional.
2. Gun control doesn't work.

In reality, all gun control is, is urban liberals lording over rural conservatives who they just don't like.

It's not just that they don't like guns. They don't like the people who do.

Commonsense said...

Tony Podesta failed to register as a foreign agent while lobbying for a Russian company to get approval for the Uranium One deal.

This is the exact same circumstance that led to Manafort's indictment.

Yet Podesta remains unindicted by Robert Mueller.

Is there any doubt that this investigation is a partisan witch hunt and that Mueller should resign?

Anonymous said...

Is there any doubt that this investigation is a partisan witch hunt and that Mueller should resign?
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i had always assumed that the fact that this is a partisan witch hunt came as a surprise to exactly no one.

resign? mueller should never have been appointed in the first place. this entire production has been a farce from the beginning.

Anonymous said...

It's not just that they don't like guns. They don't like the people who do.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

precisely.

liberals absolutely love guns. just as long as they are in the possession of those charged with protecting them.




oh, and alky?

whenever you put up one of your "i was a crack shot at a postage stamp at 100 yards" comments, the way in which you describe it makes those of us who do own guns and shoot believe it to be 100% bullshit.

try faking something you might know a little something about.

commie said...

Menstral the child posted....

This is the exact same circumstance that led to Manafort's indictment.

Then write a letter to Mueller and tell him how he screwed up.......I'm sure he will care....LOLOL

commie said...

Menstral the idiot posted....
Lord Dennis why do you bother?

To troll stupid comments that you will always constantly make....It worked again....Idiot Thanx for playing Mr. .6%

Commonsense said...

Millitent athest?

The Texas church shooter who mercilessly shot dead 26 people and injured 24 others was an 'outcast' who 'preached his atheism' online. 'He was always talking about how people who believe in God we're stupid and trying to preach his atheism'

Hatred of Christianity in general and his mother-in-law's church in particular could be the motive.

The Rev. James Boswell said...

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

But a deranged person with an assault rifle
can kill a lot more people than a deranged person
with a non assault rifle.

Commonsense said...

commie said...
Menstral the idiot posted...

Lord Dennis why do you bother?

To troll stupid comments


You really don't have a life do you Dennis?

commie said...


1. Gun control is unconstitutional.

No it's not....

any rational person should have said...

A deranged person with an assault rifle
can kill a lot more people than a deranged person
with a non assault rifle.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It was a Marlin 0.22. Bolt actions.

Sorry racist Republican bastard, I was a dead shot at 100 yards.

Commonsense said...

But a deranged person with an assault rifle
can kill a lot more people than a deranged person
with a non assault rifle.


But not one with a bomb or a moving vehicle.

In fact, bombs are the prefered weapon of terrorist simply because you can kill a lot of people in one shot.

So you can ban all semi-automatic pistols and rifles (that is what you're really talking about) it would not make a diffrence.

Evil finds a way.

And before you get on your high horse and ban guns from law abiding citizens considered this.

The killer's rampage was stopped by regular citizens who were armed with guns.

commie said...

And here we go again, too soon to discuss gun laws....how many more massacres do we need to endure and pray for the victims as we bury the dead and argue doing nothing....Yep...thanx to the mentrals of the world....the killing continues because as a non gun owner, he is worried there are not enough weapons in the public....

commie said...

The killer's rampage was stopped by regular citizens who were armed with guns.

Proving every one should be armed again....Dayum you are dumber than your dog......BTW....the ban on machine guns seems to work, why not semi auto assault style rifles and high cap magazines.....Of course you will be against that with some warped excuse we need them....LOL

Commonsense said...

commie said...
1. Gun control is unconstitutional.
No it's not...


Yes, it is.

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The word infringe means to "limit" or "restrict". Any law that restricts or limits the right to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

In February the President signed an executive order repealing an executive order made by President Obama. It required that people who were receiving Social Security checks for mental illness to be reported to the Guns and Alcohol Department.

The gun show exceptions should be repealed and yes replaced with background checks.

Can't wait anymore.... said...

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
NOV. 5, 2017
Orlando, Dallas, Las Vegas, and now Sutherland Springs. Each location has only recently experienced an unthinkable tragedy at the hands of a mass murderer and his guns. The latest, in the small Texas town, involved a man reportedly using a rifle to kill at least 26 people while they worshipped. Beyond these tragedies, which understandably seize the public’s attention, are dozens more in cities around America – nearly one per day.

Still, Republicans leaders in Congress do nothing. Or, really, so far they’ve done the same thing they have always done: offered thoughts and prayers. Tomorrow, then, will surely bring warnings not to “politicize” a tragedy by debating gun controls that might prevent such mass killings from happening again.

“We are not going to talk about that today,” President Trump told reporters in the days that followed the Las Vegas shooting, where 58 people were killed.

“I think it’s premature to be discussing legislative solutions if there are any,” the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, said.

If now is too soon to debate gun control, how long must Americans wait?

Commonsense said...

commie said...
Dayum you are dumber than your dog..


Actually my dog is smart, far smarter than you and house trained too.

commie said...

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

LOLOLOL!!!! Tell that to the feds who banned fully auto machine guns......which are not illegal, but tightly regulated. Thanx for proving you remain a dumb fuck....

Commonsense said...

It required that people who were receiving Social Security checks for mental illness to be reported to the Guns and Alcohol Department.

What Roger doesn't tell you was Obama's EO was so broad and vague that if a doctor prescribed Xanax to a patient, they were put on a watch list.

It manage to violate both the 2nd and 4th amendments.

commie said...

Menstral the dork claims....

Actually my dog is smart.

Yeah, sure idiot....does your dog walk itself????? Or clean up its own crap....no, he's got you to do it... LOLOOLOL

Anonymous said...

The left exploiting death.

Didnt take long.

All liberals turn in your guns.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Second Amendment
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Such language has created considerable debate regarding the Amendment's intended scope. On the one hand, some believe that the Amendment's phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" creates an individual constitutional right for citizens of the United States. Under this "individual right theory," the United States Constitution restricts legislative bodies from prohibiting firearm possession, or at the very least, the Amendment renders prohibitory and restrictive regulation presumptively unconstitutional. On the other hand, some scholars point to the prefatory language "a well regulated Militia" to argue that the Framers intended only to restrict Congress from legislating away a state's right to self-defense. Scholars have come to call this theory "the collective rights theory." A collective rights theory of the Second Amendment asserts that citizens do not have an individual right to possess guns and that local, state, and federal legislative bodies therefore possess the authority to regulate firearms without implicating a constitutional right.

In 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court considered the matter in United States v. Miller. 307 U.S. 174. The Court adopted a collective rights approach in this case, determining that Congress could regulate a sawed-off shotgun that had moved in interstate commerce under the National Firearms Act of 1934 because the evidence did not suggest that the shotgun "has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated milita . . . ." The Court then explained that the Framers included the Second Amendment to ensure the effectiveness of the military.

This precedent stood for nearly 70 years when in 2008 the U.S. Supreme Court revisited the issue in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller (07-290). The plaintiff in Heller challenged the constitutionality of the Washington D.C. handgun ban, a statute that had stood for 32 years. Many considered the statute the most stringent in the nation. In a 5-4 decision, the Court, meticulously detailing the history and tradition of the Second Amendment at the time of the Constitutional Convention, proclaimed that the Second Amendment established an individual right for U.S. citizens to possess firearms and struck down the D.C. handgun ban as violative of that right. The majority carved out Miller as an exception to the general rule that Americans may possess firearms, claiming that law-abiding citizens cannot use sawed-off shotguns for any law-abiding purpose. Similarly, the Court in its dicta found regulations of similar weaponry that cannot be used for law-abiding purposes as laws that would not implicate the Second Amendment.

Further, the Court suggested that the United States Constitution would not disallow regulations prohibiting criminals and the mentally ill from firearm possession.

This is where the original intent philosophy is why no SCOTUS appointee should never be confirmed.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Post the whole damn thing Menstra,

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Anonymous said...

The gun show exceptions should be repealed
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


this is why i believe you to be a liar regarding anything to do with guns.

there is no gun show exception or loophole. none whatsoever. this is a lie perpetrated by liberals who know absolutely nothing about guns.

bears repeating said...

any rational person should have said...
A deranged person with an assault rifle
can kill a lot more people than a deranged person
with a non assault rifle.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

You obviously give a fuck what the amendment actually said.


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Anonymous said...

Jv pres violated most of the US Constitution while. Obeying the Liberal bible.

RRB, In Rogers mind he is all things, it is reality that bitch slaps that fainting queen.

commie said...

Kd the goat fornicator posted.

KD said...
The left exploiting death.

That would be you asshole....your first post after the shooting was YAWN and comparing it to Chicago.....god is going to damn, you.

Commonsense said...

LOLOLOL!!!! Tell that to the feds who banned fully auto machine guns......which are not illegal, but tightly regulated.

Which just points out the importance of appointing justices who will faithfully follow the text of the constitution and not impose their own moral code in the guise of rulings.

However the first part of the amendment A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state implies there is a restriction to personal arms.

In others words, arms a common soldier would carry into battle; Semi-automatic rifles, pistols and muskets.

That would not include machine guns, cannons, or fighter jets. And so the courts have ruled.

Anonymous said...

Roger Amick said...
Post the whole damn thing Menstra,
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take your own advice, alky:


Thus, the Supreme Court has revitalized the Second Amendment. The Court continued to strengthen the Second Amendment through the 2010 decision in McDonald v. City of Chicago (08-1521). The plaintiff in McDonald challenged the constitutionally of the Chicago handgun ban, which prohibited handgun possession by almost all private citizens. In a 5-4 decisions, the Court, citing the intentions of the framers and ratifiers of the Fourteenth Amendment, held that the Second Amendment applies to the states through the incorporation doctrine. However, the Court did not have a majority on which clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the fundamental right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense. While Justice Alito and his supporters looked to the Due Process Clause, Justice Thomas in his concurrence stated that the Privileges and Immunities Clause should justify incorporation.

However, several questions still remain unanswered, such as whether regulations less stringent than the D.C. statute implicate the Second Amendment, whether lower courts will apply their dicta regarding permissible restrictions, and what level of scrutiny the courts should apply when analyzing a statute that infringes on the Second Amendment. As a general note, when analyzing statutes and ordinances, courts use three levels of scrutiny, depending on the issue at hand:

strict scrutiny
intermediate scrutiny
rational basis
Recent lower-court case law since Heller suggests that courts are willing to uphold

regulations which ban weapons on government property. US v Dorosan, 350 Fed. Appx. 874 (5th Cir. 2009) (upholding defendant’s conviction for bringing a handgun onto post office property);
regulations which ban the illegal possession of a handgun as a juvenile, convicted felon. US v Rene, 583 F.3d 8 (1st Cir. 2009) (holding that the Juvenile Delinquency Act ban of juvenile possession of handguns did not violate the Second Amendment);
regulations which require a permit to carry concealed weapon. Kachalsky v County of Westchester, 701 F.3d 81 (2nd Cir. 2012) (holding that a New York law preventing individuals from obtaining a license to possess a concealed firearm in public for general purposes unless the individual showed proper cause did not violate the Second Amendment.)
More recently, the Supreme Court reinforced its Heller ruling in its Caetano v. Massachusetts (2016) decision. The Court found that the lower "Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court was wrong in the three reasons it offered for why the state could ban personal possession or use of a “stun gun” without violating the Second Amendment." The Supreme Court, however, remanded the case without further instructions, so this per curiam ruling did not do much to further clarify the Supreme Court's stance on the Second Amendment.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

Anonymous said...

HB, knows so little about so much.

HB really wants is a ban on private individual to individual sales.

HB need the fed gov to pay his bills other wise he would have assumed room temperature already,

Commonsense said...

You obviously give a fuck what the amendment actually said.

It's quite obvious that I do. Just as it quite obvious you have no idea what that means.

Get back when you sober up.

Anonymous said...

Bingo, where is gabby Gifford ?

Anonymous said...

Alky is for his gun ownwership, not yours.

Anonymous said...

NFL lost Vince Skully, he said he will not watch another game.

wphamilton said...

However the first part of the amendment A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state implies there is a restriction to personal arms.

I've always thought that the amendment refereed to a regulated militia as having the right to arms, specifically, and "the people" shared that right because you could not separate them from the militia.

But if you look at it literally, the first clause gives the reason and the second clause bestows the right. In other words, the people have the right to bear arms regardless of how the militia is regulated. Two different clauses, with two different meanings, two different groups.

Anonymous said...

Antieverything = WP. Welcome in.

... said...

A deranged person with an assault rifle,
a machine gun, a bazooka, a grenade launcher,
a surface to air missile launcher
can kill a lot more people than a deranged person
with a non assault rifle.

commie said...

Once again, menstral gets half a story.....seems it was a church neighbor with a long gun, something you don't carry around with you...idiot keeps proving his own stupidity...

The gentleman that was with me got out, rested his rifle on my hood and kept it aimed at [the suspect], telling him to get out, get out, there was no movement. The guy didn’t put up a fight or anything. I just knew his brake lights were going on and off.”

Authorities credited the neighbor’s interference with minimizing the damage, even though it’s still unclear whether any of his shots actually hit Kelley. Wilson County sheriff Joe Tackitt told CBS News on Monday that he believes Kelley died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

caliphate4vr said...

A week ago roger, fatty and pedo were excoriating the right "for politicizing" a Moslem running over people in NYC.

Yet look at them today

Hypocrisy...Bedrock...

Commonsense said...

What Roger misses is that you can't have a well regulated militia unless you have an armed citizenry and you can't have an armed citizenry unless citizens can keep and bear arms without restriction.

Roger also believes the militia is always an adjunct of the state and federal government. That is not necessarily the case.

Hamilton argued in Federalist 84 that a militia may also be formed to fight a government if it became tyrannical.

So obviously the first thing a tyrannical government would do is restrict or prohibit private gun ownership and they would do it under the guise of public safety.

That is exactly what the 2nd amendment was designed to prevent.

commie said...

Which just points out the importance of appointing justices who will faithfully follow

That also treat women as second class citizens.......

Anonymous said...

A year ago today, WE stood on the Verge of Greatness.
Jv pres and "sick" Hillary where in Philly , PA.

Oh how good it could have been, IF ONLY.....

commie said...

What Roger misses is that you can't have a well regulated militia unless

And you missed the fact that roger just ate your lunch....LOL

atty and pedo were excoriating the right "for politicizing" a Moslem running over people in NYC.

Cali lies again...nothing new there....LOL at our faithful dolt...again

Anonymous said...

We conservatives hold classes everyday here on a wide range of topics.

Hope is, liberals and WP's ilk will leran.

Commonsense said...

So Dennis, how exactly did "Roger ate" my lunch?

I will wait in vain for a cognizant answer.

Anonymous said...

What IF Sir Edmond Clinton was President?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The original intent was to assure that if the government overstepped its bounds, a well regulated militia would be there to protect the state's rights.

There is no way one of those right wing militia groups would be able to take on the the armed forces of the United States

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The original intent was to assure that if the government overstepped its bounds, a well regulated militia would be there to protect the state's rights.

There is no way one of those right wing militia groups would be able to take on the the armed forces of the United States

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The original intent was to assure that if the government overstepped its bounds, a well regulated militia would be there to protect the state's rights.

There is no way one of those right wing militia groups would be able to take on the the armed forces of the United States.

Far beyond your mind can see.

Anonymous said...

IF, oDopie can control his Tourette's syndrome and put down the triple stuffed breakfast borritoes, he might give us what for him, passes as an answer.

He is HB' s Sox puppet.

Anonymous said...

Roger's Thinking is the SAME thinking the British use to control the Up Start US Colonials.

Roger, knows nothing of History.

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