There are over a hundred million rifles owned by U.S. Citizens, including approximately one and a half million assault rifles. These guns are not going away. Even the previous assault weapons ban was only a partial ban, with more assault rifles protected by exceptions than assault rifles being banned. In fact it was more of a ban on "manufacturing" of the assault weapons, than it was a ban on "owning" them.
So yeah, we can ban bump stock. We can raise the age requirement for certain guns. We can bolster the background check procedures. We can do any number of things around the edges, but none of it will fundamentally change the reality that there are still going to be millions of guns in our country, and that people will have access to them if they try hard enough.
The chances that gun control can prevent any shootings from taking place in the immediate, intermediate, or even long term future is none, none, and next to none. It's not a realistic tangible manner to prevent future shootings. It's a political ideology. A cult of hope. An philosophical argument that takes place in a wishful realm of utopia that doesn't tangibly exist.
The longer and harder people push for a political ideology in lieu of an actual solution... the more people will die in the meantime. The idea of chastising people for not living in the same fantasy world that they live in, certainly does nothing to help matters along. Most importantly, gun control fanatics must stop rejecting any and every suggestion not related to gun control, just because they feel that every other idea is somehow an argument against gun control.
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.. it's a political ideology.
Wow.....landmark insight from our sycophant of Minnesota.....I guess you just want to plod along, and do nothing.....killing seems to be in your blood and no matter how much is shed, people need to keep the assault rifles to hunt and protect themselves. Brilliantly stupid as usual....
The the most effective and obvious solution is also the solution the gun-grabbing liberals are most opposed to.
That's all you need to know to know how must they really care about schools, and children.
They actually care more about their money in the bank than they do about children in school.
The Liberals of CHT.
What four things did the lost years pres. Actually do to secure the safety of children in the classroom?
I guess you just want to plod along, and do nothing....
Opie... banning bump stocks and raising the age to buy an automatic rifle from 18 to 21, is the very definition of plodding along and doing nothing.
You obviously missed the entire point of the post... because you actually "do" live in a fantasy world where a better background check system will stop a school shooting.
Most importantly, gun control opponents must stop rejecting any and every suggestion is related to gun control, just because they feel that every other idea is somehow an argument for rejection of the Second Amendment.
Nor should the fanatic opponents of any rational gun control, claiming that a deadly school shooting, is good for the ratings, and if the shootings are stoped, that their ratings would be so low, that they would go out of business.
Most importantly, gun control opponents must stop rejecting any and every suggestion is related to gun control, just because they feel that every other idea is somehow an argument for rejection of the Second Amendment. And more important, that improved better background checks, raising the age limit to 21, or ban buck stops wouldn't stop all school assaults, we should not do anything about supported by 95% Americans.
It's not ideology. It's grief for the deaths of the 17 in Parkland. Politicians on both sides of the aisle are making it political. But as a father, I don't understand why you believe that except for the more guns argument proposed by the President, is perhaps the one and only non ideological response.
Hb, tell us your kidding, really, you have to be with is bs.
Pres. Obama in 8 years did what on this issue?
Most importantly, gun control opponents must stop rejecting any and every suggestion is related to gun control, just because they feel that every other idea is somehow an argument for rejection of the Second Amendment.
Nor should the fanatic opponents of any rational gun control, claiming that a deadly school shooting, is good for the ratings, and if the shootings are stoped, that their ratings would be so low, that they would go out of business." Lifted from NPR
Roger - I have two sons in school, and just had a security shut down in one of them, due to a suspicious character roaming the hallways.
I know (for a fact) that there is no gun legislation available that will help keep my kids safer in school. That is a reality that I accept. I won't let political ideology get in the way of the safety of my children.
Now in our suburban community there is generally a pretty heavy police presence at least at the Jr Highs and High School level. They don't have anyone stationed there, but they breeze through fairly often. We actually have a small station that was built right across the street from the main Jr High (that used to be the High School). That is not a coincidence that they put a police station across the street from what was at the time a High School.
If it was up to me, I would build another police hub on the property of the High School as well. I would have police officers roaming in and out of that property all day long. Short of that, I would have absolutely no issue with our School district hiring security guards to help keep things in line.
These are tangible things we can do today, Roger... tangible things that could help keep our kids safer TODAY. There is no gun control legislation that will help keep my kids safer TODAY. Nothing. Nada.
Now that doesn't mean that you have to take gun control off the table. Perhaps over a couple of generations, you can curb whatever issues we have with guns.
But it's intellectually dishonest to believe that it resolves any of the current issues we have.
Ariana Klein, a junior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, said it was "inexcusable" that CNN would attempt to get fellow survivor of the school shooting Colton Haab to deliver a "scripted question" at a Wednesday town hall event conducted by the network on the massacre. Klein attended the listening session hosted by President Trump at the White House on Wednesday.
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The liberal left has becoming genuinely mentally ill the past 13 months.
CH thinks this is a panacea...I think he is friggin out of his mind.....he obviously thinks bloodshed is a viable policy....
is the very definition of plodding along and doing nothing.
Yep, that is virtually doing nothing but appeasing idiots like you who think that is the means to an end... Simplistic and typical of trumpian stupidity....I think students should carry guns on campus....Oh wait, they do that on college campuses in floriduh, why not grade schools?????? Sad how TDS has eaten your mind.....
Hb and Jane, oh and elderly opie, got any solutions?
Bitch ing is not a silution.
Prez Obama did what in this area?
Hb and Jane, oh and elderly opie, got any solutions?
Slicing your dick off would be a good start....asshole...
So your out.
Leaves jane and HB to carry the day.
And you remain married to a sterile heifer.....lucky you....LOL
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This week’s gun control argument in a nutshell: because government failed at every level, you need to have your rights curtailed...by the government that just failed at every level. https://twitter.com/RobProvince/status/966829407762636801 …
7:50 PM - Feb 22, 2018
It's a political ideology. A cult of hope. An philosophical argument that takes place in a wishful realm of utopia that doesn't tangibly exist.
throw in "hypocrisy being its bedrock" and you've just summed up all of liberalism into one fucked up failure in a nutshell.
Yep.
Where is Blacklivesmurders, antifa, occupyWallstreet. Code pink, and other trash leftist on this?
I notice prez cool Racist obimbo is in hiding.
Nothing can provide absolute security in our schools. Politicians on both sides of the aisle are using the deaths of 17 innocent people for political reasons. But the issue is mourning. As a father, I don't understand why you oppose the 18 to 20, buckstops, and increasing background checks, because they are not going to provide absolute security.
It appears that the President has an idea, that would get more guns on campus is going to stop all future events. You are once again, standing side by side.
I would ban the military style weapons. But that's not going to happen. I don't want to try go down that way. But the other three will be better than going back to Gunsmoke.
A House Republican from Florida is backing an assault weapon ban following last week's shooting at a high school in his state that left 17 dead.
Rep. Brian Mast (R-Fla.), who faces a competitive reelection race this fall, wrote in an op-ed Friday that the Second Amendment guarantee of the right to bear arms should not apply to all guns.
"The Second Amendment is unimpeachable," Mast wrote in The New York Times. "It guarantees the right of citizens to defend themselves. I accept, however, that it does not guarantee that every civilian can bear any and all arms."
Mast, a retired staff sergeant in the Army, recalled his deployment in Afghanistan and the weapon he carried during that time, an M4 Carbine.
"My rifle was very similar to the AR-15-style semiautomatic weapon used to kill students, teachers and a coach I knew at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., where I once lived," wrote Mast, who holds a seat that is "leaning Republican" according to the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.
"I cannot support the primary weapon I used to defend our people being used to kill children I swore to defend," he added.
Great story, and?
" I don't understand why you oppose the 18 to 20, buckstops.." HB
What?
Florida Gov. Rick Scott broke with President Donald Trump on Friday and rejected calls to arm teachers with guns to prevent school massacres.
"I disagree with arming teachers," Scott said. "My focus is on bringing in law enforcement. I think you need to have individuals who are trained, well trained."
Scott also defied the National Rifle Association by unveiling a sweeping plan to boost school security that would bar "violent or mentally ill" people from purchasing weapons, prohibit persons under the age of 21 from buying or owning guns, and outlaw so-called bump stocks that make it possible for semi-automatic weapons to fire faster.
K'putz is well. .why you oppose the 18 to 20, buckstops.." HB
Stupid.
why you oppose the 18 to 20, buckstops.." HB
Just quoting you , wtf are you taking about.
No I don't . You can't read
The following was not posted by Roger Imadick.
"Roger AmickFebruary 23, 2018 at 6:06 PM
Nothing can provide absolute security in our schools. Politicians on both sides of the aisle are using the deaths of 17 innocent people for political reasons. But the issue is mourning. As a father, I don't understand why you oppose the 18 to 20, buckstops, and increasing background checks, because they are not going to provide absolute security"
I repeat the above was not, Not, not, not a HB.
As a father, I don't understand why you oppose the 18 to 20, buckstops, and increasing background checks, because they are not going to provide absolute security"
I didn't include a punctuation mark
????????
Why are you do stupid that you can read into As a father, I don't understand why you oppose the 18 to 20, buckstops, and increasing background checks, because they are not going to provide absolute security" to read into that, that I don't support the change in the age requirements and background checks?
Stupid!Sad!
CH, you are going to have to add a prominent Republican is ideological.
He is in favor of the revised gun laws that you believe that they are only ideological. 18-21, bunkstocks and yes mental illness and background checks for all purchases.
He is also not removing Obama Care from Wisconsin .
Rep. Brian Mast (R-Fla.), who faces a competitive reelection race this fall, wrote in an op-ed Friday that the Second Amendment guarantee of the right to bear arms should not apply to all guns.
cowards like this idiot need to be defeated at the polls.
shall not be infringed
anyone who does not understand those four words of the amendment is too stupid to take an oath of congress.
Buckstops. Where on a rifle do those go.
BumpStock ...... that I know.
18 -20" nope
18 yoa to 21 years of age. That to I know.
Why are you do stupid " Alky , lol @ you.
KD said...
Buckstops. Where on a rifle do those go.
Up your fat white ass......!!!!
Governor Rick Scott should suspend Sheriff Yellow Streak.
Department cowardness starts from the top down.
Commonsense said...
Governor Rick Scott should suspend Sheriff Yellow Streak.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Yer a moron,,,,,Lets arm teachers so they can panic like the pros.....!!!!!
I'm sure menstral....you'd be the lead of the pack as you ran from a shooting.....so brave on the computer.....
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Yer a moron,,,,,Lets arm teachers so they can panic like the pros.....!!!!!
In this case, the untrained, "panic stricken" teachers sacrifice their lives to slow down this killer while highly trained law enforcement officers cringed behind their cars waiting for the shooting to stop.
Schiff for brains.
A read that moronic R's should complete....especially our brave cramps of menstral.....
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/opinion/brian-mast-assault-weapons-ban.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region
Written by a disabled vet
I also know that I am made less safe by the threat of tactical rifles. I am confident I can eliminate an active shooter who is attacking with a pistol because the attacker would have to be close to me. But the defense my concealed 9-millimeter affords me is largely gone if the attacker is firing from beyond 40 yards, as he could easily do with the AR-15.
No firearm is evil. Guns are tools that fulfill the intent of their users, good or bad. But we’ve seen that the rifle of choice for many mass shooters is the AR-15.
The Second Amendment is unimpeachable. It guarantees the right of citizens to defend themselves. I accept, however, that it does not guarantee that every civilian can bear any and all arms.
menstral the cramp speaking for armed teachers to sacrifice their lives is most comical....just like most of cramps views.....IDIOT
" teachers sacrifice their lives to slow down this killer while highly trained
That is pure trumpian bullshit.....I'm sure you would be the first to run like the little chicken shit you are....
A change of pace to a subject the right hates \, the rumor of GW .....LOLOLOLOL
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/24/us/jean-lafitte-floodwaters.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=nytmm_FadingSlideShow_item&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
JEAN LAFITTE, LA. — From a Cessna flying 4,000 feet above Louisiana’s coast, what strikes you first is how much is already lost. Northward from the Gulf, slivers of barrier island give way to the open water of Barataria Bay as it billows toward an inevitable merger with Little Lake, its name now a lie. Ever-widening bayous course through what were once dense wetlands, and a cross-stitch of oil field canals stamp the marsh like Chinese characters.
Saltwater intrusion, the result of subsidence, sea-level rise and erosion, has killed off the live oaks and bald cypress. Stands of roseau cane and native grasses have been reduced to brown pulp by feral hogs, orange-fanged nutria and a voracious aphid-like invader from Asia. A relentless succession of hurricanes and tropical storms — three last season alone — has accelerated the decay. In all, more than 2,000 square miles, an expanse larger than the state of Delaware, have disappeared since 1932.
Out toward the horizon, a fishing village appears on a fingerling of land, tenuously gripping the banks of a bending bayou. It sits defenseless, all but surrounded by encroaching basins of water. Just two miles north is the jagged tip of a fortresslike levee, a primary line of defense for greater New Orleans, whose skyline looms in the distance. Everything south of that 14-foot wall of demarcation, including the gritty little town of Jean Lafitte, has effectively been left to the tides.
Jean Lafitte may be just a pinprick on the map, but it is also a harbinger of an uncertain future. As climate change contributes to rising sea levels, threatening to submerge land from Miami to Bangladesh, the question for Lafitte, as for many coastal areas across the globe, is less whether it will succumb than when — and to what degree scarce public resources should be invested in artificially extending its life.
marjory stoneman douglas high school
Tell that to the family of the two teachers who died protecting the children at Marjory Douglas Stoneman high school.
Menstral our cramp posted....
Tell that to the family of the two teachers who died
Tell them what....like trump and how sorry he is???? You want more killing....You think if those teachers had guns, they would have gotten a shot off???? If you do, you need more help than anyone can provide....Obviously you did not read what the vet said about a pistol versus ar...but nothing new there.....IDIOT
The courts have already said that the Second Amendment doesn't extend to every weapon. No one with the intelligence of a rat, would want rrb to have a machine gun. Backstroke, effectively convert a legal semiautomatic into a machine gun. Even this SCOTUS would not reverse a law banning them.
Raising the age limit to 21 should be passed unanimously, but since the NRA owns most Republicans captive, it might be close, but it would pass, as well as the ban on buchstops. Arming teachers, just rings wrong to me.
Yes, the 2 amendment doesn't extend to nuclear devices.
Just the normal weapons members of "a well regulated militia" would carry.
The courts have already said that the Second Amendment doesn't
Must be a liberal judge......NRA screaming that law abiding citizens are being screwed by a few bad apples......idiots....How many hunters use an AR for their weapon.....I do not know any....it is a horrible hunting round and easily deflect in the woods due to light weight and high velocity....a 30-30 much better choice for the woods...
And once again, the argument that the age limit, backstop ban and requiring background checks should be implemented immediately. The argument by CH that because they won't be 100% affective falls apart when you consider that even one single innocent child is saved, they should be implemented immediately.
Since raising the age to 21 for guns will not allow young women access to protection if they so desire it should be done in conjunction with raising the age of consent to sexual relations to 21 as well as voting age.
Adults are adults and consistency is consistency.
I'm sure students would all agree.
"a well regulated militia"
You always ignore the meaning of two words. "Well regulated" . If you were a member of a well regulated militia you could be permitted to carry any weapon. But the NRA is not a well regulated militia. The amendment rights are not absolute.
"Since raising the age to 21 for guns will not allow young women access to protection if they so desire it should be done in conjunction with raising the age of consent to sexual relations to 21 as well as voting age."
Your assumptions are not correct, nor are they even sensible. The age of consent for sex is based upon the fact that some men seek out teenage girls, like Roy Moore because they find them attractive and despite the fact that the young girls are not capable of making that decision they try anything. States have varied age of consent laws. Your comment doesn't have any relationship to the murders of innocent children and adults alike.
The king would raise the limit of the age of consent for the purchase of condoms to 21.
Opie, sometimes they make it so simple.
"despite the fact that the young girls are not capable of making that decision "
And I'm talking about 18 year old girls or 21 year old girls and consistency.
You sound pretty creepy and condescending to young women, again adults are adults and creepy old white privileged males may not agree and want different ages for their creepiness.
He is in favor of the revised gun laws that you believe that they are only ideological. 18-21, bunkstocks and yes mental illness and background checks for all purchases.
Actually I agree with him... because he is also in favor of bringing in more trained law enforcement into the schools.
Nobody says that gun control laws shouldn't be addressed, and that there are not long term things that can be done.
But rejecting equally common sense solutions, like adding more security to our schools "today" is what I have a problem with.
Explain to me "why" you are against adding more security to our schools just as we do in many government, banking, and even business facilities?
And once again, the argument that the age limit, backstop ban and requiring background checks should be implemented immediately. The argument by CH that because they won't be 100% affective falls apart when you consider that even one single innocent child is saved, they should be implemented immediately.
Putting more guns into the schools is not going to reduce the number of innocent people killed in the public schools. Your stance is an ideological response to the President.
The comparison to banks, government facilities and businesses is nothingless than a recipe for disaster, because we are talking about or children, not financial services, government and business.
Do you want to attend the meeting the teachers affairs and see them carrying a side arm? Birther President is in favor, so you gladly take his side once again and again and again and again and again.
Make the schools "hard" targets.
Because they will not reduce the number of innocent people killed. Most of the time,they are suicidal maniacs who will not be detoured from killing children.
Someone just posted as me. I did not post that.
Most of the time,they are suicidal maniacs
Suicidal maniacs do it for notoriety and fame. They are discouraged if they can't successfully up the body count necessary for nation coverage.
That's why they love gun free zones. They know they have plenty of time to commit mass mayhem before somebody takes them out.
It's not about survival, it's about how much damage you can do before you die.
Funny how the leftist here foam.
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