Well the short answer is "nobody really knows". Certainly I don't pretend to know, and anyone who pretends to know at this point is basically pretending. The fact is that polling has become more and more unreliable in recent election cycles, and the further away from an election, the more unreliable the polling.
After a very successful run of five election cycles with only three misses, I decided that 2016 was the year I was going to leave the prognostications to others with more courage to be wrong. Wrong was the only thing the prognosticators turned out to be be. That and embarrassed.
In 2016, at ten weeks out, Hillary held a six point RCP average lead. In mid September, she held about a five point lead. By middle of October, she was up by seven. 538, NYT, Sam Wang, and most others had Hillary a massive overwhelming favorite to win. In fact, instead of campaigning, Hillary was said to be picking out her White House curtains.
I have long held a theory that election polling outside of three weeks is more propaganda than polling. Last election cycle, Nate Silver wrote a piece about what a puzzle it seemed to be that all of your disparaging election polling always seemed to come together down the stretch. He offered many possible solution to the puzzle, but never considered that polling prior to the stretch run is not "meant" to be accurate. Did anybody "really" believe the NBC poll showing Hillary up 14 or an AP poll showing Hillary up 13 points? Well apparently Nate Silver did, and appeared confused when those polls wandered their way back to reality.
Of the ten polls taken completely during November, six of them ended up within two points of the final result. Two of them were within three. All of them were within five points. More to the point, if you dig into the polling, the sample make ups were much more similar (and closer to the actual electorate). It's not that the percentages within each demographic changed as much as the weighting of those demographics changed.
Same can be said about the generic ballot. In 2016 the Democrats held a generic ballot lead throughout the election cycle. They topped out between six and seven points about four weeks before the election. This was when everyone was suggesting a big Hillary win, with long coat-tails that would bring her majorities in both chambers of Congress. But by the end of the cycle, the generic polling had bounced it's way back to a meager 0.6% lead for the Democrats, with the final national ballot showing that Republicans had garnered a 1.1% advantage.
In my humble opinion, the large Hillary polling leads and the large Democrat generic polling leads were mirages. Propaganda by people manipulating the numbers ever so slightly to create a narrative that they hoped the nation would follow. But once it became crunch time, these same pollsters knew that accuracy would become the primary goal. That (and not some undiscovered mystery) is why all of these polls converge down to a more accurate result.
This may all sound like a wild "conspiracy theory" and that is exactly what it is. But I have yet to hear a better explanation as to why this same phenomenon seems to take place every election cycle, and why it seems to get worse (rather than better) as time goes on. Certainly pollsters should learn from these mistakes, but that doesn't seem to be the case. They seem to get worse.
The reality is that not that many people "really" change their minds about an election. In fact, I personally know almost nobody who has ever once changed their mind about who they were going to vote for in any big election, much less change them back and forth based on the latest news cycle. Ask yourself how many people you know who simply change their minds about who they want as President or who they want as Senator. It's inconceivable that large portions of the population simply change their minds in this manner. Moreover, you often see large polling changes when almost "nothing" has even "conceivably" caused it. They just change, and then pundits scratch their heads and try to come up with a reason after the fact. Perhaps the real answer is that there was no reason because the polling shift was some sort of mirage.
So is there a blue wave? Perhaps. But until we see a bunch of polling within a couple of weeks of the election, I am going to remain open minded about any and all possibilities.

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I think your theory is sound. The tactic would likely influence the low information voters who are undecided because they've not paid much attention.
Ok until this
In my humble opinion, the large Hillary polling leads and the large Democrat generic polling leads were mirages. Propaganda by people manipulating the numbers ever so slightly to create a narrative that they hoped the nation would follow.
Bonkers
curiouser and curiouser
Writer of piece, Josh Hersh, is Sy's son, works with Paul, my son at Huff Post. Sy, of course, hates,Woodward. I am told that these Woodward sources were FBI. Since Deep Throat, he has been an FBI
asset, his career dependent.
I think another thing that plays into polling such as the generic ballot is that Democrats tend to live in dense areas and vote monolithically. In those districts Democrats will win with large margins (eg 70-30) and can often be easily manipulated by "free" giveaways (education, healthcare etc). On the other hand Republicans often have less of an advantage in specific districts (eg 55-45) so while they may trail in generic balloting they actually can control more districts.
But as you point out I agree we will see the numbers tighten. I also will be shocked if Ted Cruz doesn't end up winning by double digits...
jmo
caliphate4vr said...
curiouser and curiouser
Very interesting, nice link
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Ok until this
Bonkers
so unpack it and rebut it. in your own words for a change. your empty criticism schtick is beyond old.
i happen to agree with his analysis.
i haven't trusted polls since the 2004 presidential election exit polling that so blatantly tried to discourage GOP turnout. that's when i realized that ALL of this was being manipulated to drive a desired outcome. 2016 just proved it beyond the shadow of a doubt.
It's inconceivable that large portions of the population simply change their minds in this manner.
i'm convinced, and i could be wrong, that the real purpose of polls is to affect turnout, not the choice of candidate.
as in - "aw fuck it marge. let's not bother voting. according to the polls (insert candidate here) has no chance in hell of winning..."
Much my own feeling. But I will add my theory that non-responces are becoming a problem in polling. I Think that in this cycle it is much more likely to get a responce from a motivated anti-Trump voter than a motivated pro-Trump voter who share Trumps suspicion and disdain for establishment media and polling outfits.
I don't think they are weighing for this possibiliy and they may be in for another surprise.
John Kerry is guilty of violating the Logan act, secretly meeting with Iran about US policy and President Trump.
He should go to jail.
Socialism Works - for some people
Anonymous Myballs said...
John Kerry is guilty of violating the Logan act, secretly meeting with Iran about US policy and President Trump.
And now admits he and Obumble lied through their teeth for the 8,567,789th time
Former Secretary of State John Kerry said Wednesday that the Obama administration knew that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad kept some of his chemical weapons despite an international agreement brokered to remove the entire stockpile by mid-2014.
There is a blue Wave approaching.
But as well as we all know is that events in the last few days before any election short of landslides like Nixon vs McGovern,can have a dramatic impact upon the results.
I can't think of anything coming out from the Democratic side that can change the results in a major impact. Even McConnell has been saying that he is worried about the Senate majority.
In general the Democrats, especially in swing states and districts are running on local issues and concerns. The President and the Republicans are trying hard to get the voters to believe that impeachment and "socialism" as well as open borders are what the Democrats are standing for. I personally don't think that will be successful in most cases. Because the overriding issue is the President and he is extremely disliked in the suburbs that Obama won, but Trump won in 2016. The house of Representatives will change hands and perhaps by 15 to 20 seats. Maybe.
The Senate, because of the tarrifs, the midwest state Democratic Senators will hold onto Montana and North Dakota and Missouri. Texas is the wild card.
Cruz is deeply unliked.
The polling is not a mirage. Trump has made it real.
Why did our loser salesman omit this part??? One can only guess he doesn't know how to read!!!! Such a douche nozzle....LOL
"We struck a deal where we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out," Kerry said on NBC's "Meet the Press" in 2014.
In 2015, however, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) told the Obama administration that it had found traces of sarin and VX nerve agent at the Syrian government's Scientific Studies and Research Center in the district of Barzeh, near Damascus
Another lie coming from the top....has no evidence but his opinion to say this is wrong...and the slurpers will continue to slurp
President Trump advanced a new conspiracy theory on Thursday morning: blaming Democrats, without evidence, for the staggering death toll from Hurricane Maria, which slammed into Puerto Rico one year ago.
“3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico,” Trump tweeted. “When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000.”
The president added: “This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!”
The official Hurricane Maria death toll per the Puerto Rican government is 2,975, revised up in August from the initial 64. That number, calculated by researchers with the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University, is lower than a Harvard study released in May, which put the number at 4,645. Either number would make Maria, which hit last September, the deadliest natural disaster in the United States in over a century.
Nearly 12,800 immigrant children are currently being detained by the U.S. government, a record-high figure spread across 100 federally contracted shelters that is five times higher than the amount held in May 2017, the New York Times is reporting.
While the figure is only somewhat higher than numbers reported earlier this year, 2,500 of those children arrived with their families and were separated under a new Trump administration policy. The remaining children in custody arrived as unaccompanied minors. More than 2,000 of those separated children have since been reunited with their families after a judge issued an injunction in June. About 500 remain in shelters, alongside at least 12,000 other children who have arrived in the United States on their own. By the numbers, that means that potentially 3,000 new unaccompanied minors have been detained by the U.S. government in the past few months, and have not been released.
Beaners are just fine in prison.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Nearly 12,800 immigrant children are currently being detained by the U.S. government, a record-high figure spread across 100 federally contracted shelters that is five times higher than the amount held in May 2017, the New York Times is reporting.
ooh... they left out the word "ILLEGAL" in front of the word "immigrant."
you think that was intentional, alky?
Beaners are just fine in prison.
nah. i like them better outside of prison. when they're LEGAL.
so alky, what does this unattributed copy/paste have to do with polling?
Fatty
Here’s what they said
President Obama, on Aug. 18, 2014: "Today we mark an important achievement in our ongoing effort to counter the spread of weapons of mass destruction by eliminating Syria's declared chemical weapons stockpile."
Kerry on Oct. 31, 2014: "We ... cut the deal that got 100 percent of the declared chemical weapons out of Syria, and people nevertheless have been critical -- of one day of bombing versus the virtue of getting 100 percent of the chemical weapons out of Syria."
You are retarded aren’t you?
Cruz is deeply unliked.
simply stating it doesn't make it fact, alky.
drunk driving blotto o'rourke has a better chance of needing a liver transplant like you than he does taking cruz's seat.
The official Hurricane Maria death toll per the Puerto Rican government is 2,975, revised up in August from the initial 64. That number, calculated by researchers with the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University, is lower than a Harvard study released in May, which put the number at 4,645. Either number would make Maria, which hit last September, the deadliest natural disaster in the United States in over a century.
well, one of the things we could do to backfill those who perished is to take a number of illegals here in the US, say 5 MILLION, and put them on ships to puerto rico.
i don't think that number is large enough to capsize the island, and it sure would ease the pressure on our illegal invasion here in the US. nice climate, no language barrier, plenty of landscaping and housekeeping needing to be done at the hotels and resorts...
...what's not to like about that proposal?
You are retarded aren’t you?
Look in the mirror loser.....
Which took another year for another report to say that traces were found,,,,traces
In 2015, however, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) told the Obama administration that it had found traces of sarin and VX nerve agent at the Syrian governmen
...
. IOW's another fake bullshit loser story.....Seems to me the only liar here is you asshole....Nice try, but you lost again....idiot..you really should get back to selling....win another vacation! LOLOLOL!!! Now you want to argue what a trace means in a lab environment????
Cruz currently has a favorable rating of 52%
O’Rourke’s 45%.
He was in a rock band and yeah he got a DUI long ago. The Republicans are being forced to spend millions in an attempt to hold onto a Republican Senator seat in Texas.
O’Rourke’s 45% in Texas is a big deal.
To your chagrin I am cured.
I wonder when we will see the President tossing paper towels into a crowd of Republicans!
Former Secretary of State John Kerry said Wednesday that the Obama administration knew that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad kept some of his chemical weapons despite an international agreement brokered to remove the entire stockpile by mid-2014.
is this the same john kerry who would have us believe he and skeets cut a good nuke deal with iran?
There is a blue Wave approaching.
Kerry in a landslide...
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/kerry-we-knew-assad-kept-some-chemical-weapons/
What's next? Alex Jones?
is to take a number of illegals here in the US, say 5 MILLION, and put them on ships to puerto rico.
You do realize PR's are US citizens and are entitled to vote during the mid terms....even had a law suit here in floriduh that the AG lost requiring the printing of bilingual ballots due the the influx of refugees from Puerto Rico.... Could me a tough day to R's especially the ones trying to be mini-dons with the recent revision and fallout of the Maria debacle .....Enjoy the fallout!!!
O’Rourke’s 45% in Texas is a big deal.
outside of austin, dfw and houston it's not. once you get outside the major parasite cities i don't think ol' blotto polls nearly that high. but you keep hanging your pussy hat on that polling, alky...
considering how much you two have in common, i can easily see how he can be your hero.
You know that I noted my previous comments.
Why don't you speak to what I actually said than ten years ago comments?
Gutless prick
For the mentally challenged
President Obama, on April 28, 2014: "We're getting chemical weapons out of Syria without having initiated a strike."
Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., crowed on June 1, 2014: "We're getting the chemical weapons out of Syria." And Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., chimed in July 6: "We should commend the administration for the result that they got."
Then-Secretary of State John Kerry, on July 20, 2014: "We got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out (of Syria)."
President Obama, on Aug. 18, 2014: "Today we mark an important achievement in our ongoing effort to counter the spread of weapons of mass destruction by eliminating Syria's declared chemical weapons stockpile."
Kerry on Oct. 31, 2014: "We ... cut the deal that got 100 percent of the declared chemical weapons out of Syria, and people nevertheless have been critical -- of one day of bombing versus the virtue of getting 100 percent of the chemical weapons out of Syria."
Kerry reiterated the accomplishment on Feb. 24, 2015, telling the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: "We got, as you know, last year, all the chemical weapons out of Syria."
There is no equivocation in those statements, yet yesterday Kerry admits the admin knew they left some behind.
Seriously stop wakin-N-bakin everyday. You’re getting dumber by the day. And I head off to Seattle tomorrow and San Juan Islands Sunday.
In general the suburban voters are more likely to vote in the off year elections than the rural areas turnout.
Roger Amick said... The Republicans are being forced to spend millions in an attempt to hold onto a Republican Senator seat in Texas
And the Democrats are dwarfing that spending.
ROFLMFAO !!!
You do realize PR's are US citizens and are entitled to vote during the mid terms....
you sure about that d0pie?
Voting rights of United States citizens in Puerto Rico, like the voting rights of residents of other United States territories, differ from those of United States citizens in each of the fifty states and the District of Columbia. Residents of Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories do not have voting representation in the United States Congress, and are not entitled to electoral votes for President. The United States Constitution grants congressional voting representation to U.S. states, which Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories are not, specifying that members of Congress shall be elected by direct popular vote and that the President and the Vice President shall be elected by electors chosen by the States.[Note 1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_voting_rights_in_Puerto_Rico
even had a law suit here in floriduh that the AG lost requiring the printing of bilingual ballots due the the influx of refugees from Puerto Rico....
let me guess...
that suit was brought on behalf of PR citizens residing in the US.
Larry Elder
LOL
The people from Puerto Rico will not vote in Texas.
You are such an idiot.
Larry Elder
LOL
They are quotes you fucking drunk
Blogger Roger Amick said...
In general the suburban voters are more likely to vote in the off year elections than the rural areas turnout.
in general, rog? the same polling places are open at the same times for both presidential and midterm election years, genius. so what makes one "more likely" than another?
you know, you have a habit of making declarations like this around here, with no supporting documentation fortifying your opinion, in some half-assed attempt at passing yourself off as some sort of arm chair political pundit.
the one thing you consistently are alky is WRONG. often by A FUCKING LANDSLIDE.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
The people from Puerto Rico will not vote in Texas.
You are such an idiot.
go easy on the d0pie, alky. he's on your team.
Blue wave approaching
Kerry in a landslide
Trump will never be president
Trump will tank the economy
Trump will get us into war
I am cured
Larry Elder
Where were all these officials, so concerned about "critical national security issues," when much of the country -- then and now -- believed President George W. Bush misled the nation about the Iraq war and the assumption that Saddam Hussein possessed stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction? Ron Fournier, then the Associated Press Washington, D.C. bureau chief, publicly said, "George W. Bush lied us into war in Iraq." To this day, a majority of Democrats, according to several polls, still believe that the entry into the Iraq war was based upon a lie.
George W Bush has said that he regretted that we believed that Saddam Hussein had WMD. He used that to justify his war that cost the lives of over 4,000 Americans and hundreds of thousands of men, women and children in Iraq.
Larry Elder
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/08/23/trump_haters_and_their_double_standards_137871.html
72% of blue collar workers are optimistic about their future.
Those darn racist Nazi crossover democrats.
This election is not going to be about the economy ballooning shithole.
Liver that has nothing to do with direct quotes from Obumble, Lurch and others.
Lay off the opiates it’s distorting reality
There is a blue Wave approaching.
But as well as we all know is that events in the last few days before any election short of landslides like Nixon vs McGovern,can have a dramatic impact upon the results.
I can't think of anything coming out from the Democratic side that can change the results in a major impact. Even McConnell has been saying that he is worried about the Senate majority.
In general the Democrats, especially in swing states and districts are running on local issues and concerns. The President and the Republicans are trying hard to get the voters to believe that impeachment and "socialism" as well as open borders are what the Democrats are standing for. I personally don't think that will be successful in most cases. Because the overriding issue is the President and he is extremely disliked in the suburbs that Obama won, but Trump won in 2016. The house of Representatives will change hands and perhaps by 15 to 20 seats. Maybe.
The Senate, because of the tarrifs, the midwest state Democratic Senators will hold onto Montana and North Dakota and Missouri. Texas is the wild card.
Cruz is deeply unliked.
The polling is not a mirage. Trump has made it real.
And learn how to embed a link, you have nothing else to do with your time
I don't take opioids regularly. I will go to the gym today and I will take one 5mg x 325 mg acetaminophen. But only if my back hurts.
Woodward was on CBS this morning. When asked as about the scandal at the network, he went into a rambling absurd nonanswer for nearly two minutes. Even Gail king had to bring him back.
There's the senility. Not Trump.
Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
Liver that has nothing to do with direct quotes from Obumble, Lurch and others.
captain 'kerry by a landslide' can't even stay on topic.
time for mail order to take the computer away from him and put him down for his nap.
that suit was brought on behalf of PR citizens residing in the US
The suit was brought by spanish only speaking US citizens residing in the US...
They meet residency requirements....rectum breath....they get to vote....there is approx 77k residing here.....27k in texas and Pa....a sizable block of votes....Idiot..
More winning
Republicans Confirmed A Lot Of Judges While Everyone Was Focused On Brett Kavanaugh
A second Supreme Court seat is only part of White House counsel Don McGahn and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s push to transform the federal courts.
He's liked in Texas.
And yes, its the economy stupid. Always is.
I don't want to use the embed command. I learned to use computers with DOS 4.0
Tell rrb to post his links or embed them!
You rarely site a source, you just plagerize
I learned to use computers with DOS 4.0
at the same time someone gave you admin rights at kaiser permanente.
LOL. sure, alky, sure.
Tell rrb to post his links or embed them!
every time i post a story from somewhere it's accompanied by its link, alky.
every fucking time.
if only you could say the same as you pass off the work of others as your own.
"Between Jan. 1, 2017 and July 31, 2018, O’Rourke has raised $8 million more than Cruz, according to a Texas Tribune analysis of O’Rourke’s and Cruz’s campaign accounts and other entities that are part of Cruz’s fundraising network."
Lefty libs have raised 50% more so far for Beto.
And still Beto is behind...
Guess they won't be able to buy as many pussy hats.
https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2018/ted-cruz-beto-orourke-fundraising-texas-midterm-2018/
There is a blue Wave approaching.
Kerry in a landslide?
I don't want to use the embed command. I learned to use computers with DOS 4.0
While my major required a working knowledge of BASIC and FORTRAN, Years before DOS 4
Senility?
Woodward recalled, "In one case I called somebody at 11 o'clock at night and said I'd like to talk. 'Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll get to it.' And I said, 'Well, how about now?' And he said, 'Now? It's 11 at night!' And I said, 'I'm four minutes away.' 'Okay, come on over for a while.'"
He doesn't identify his sources, but most readers will conclude he talked to both Gary Cohn and Rob Porter, along with several other White House officials who quit or were fired.
Martin said, "The criticism would be, 'You've talked to the people who have an axe to grind against the president.'"
"Well, that's just not true," he replied. "Look, I talked to dozens and dozens of people, and have notes and documentation on lots of things."
Woodward quotes harsh criticism of the president from some of his closest advisers. Chief of Staff Kelly called his boss an "idiot." Secretary of Defense Mattis said the commander-in-chief acted like, and had the understanding of, "a fifth- or sixth-grader." Both men have denied saying such things.
And the president continues to denounce the book at every turn. At a rally Friday night Mr. Trump said, "These guys that write books and they put phony quotes out all over the – totally phony quotes. I mean, totally, like, fraudulent books. They're, like, fraudulent books!"
Martin asked, "He says the quotes are just not the way he speaks and the quotes are fabricated. What do you say to that?"
Woodward said, "He's wrong, and my reporting is meticulous and careful."
In a second interview with CBS' "Sunday Morning," Woodward said he had multiple sources for every claim in the book: "Multiple interviews with key witnesses. One person I interviewed nine times, and the transcripts of those conversations are 700 or 800 pages."
"700-800 pages for one person?"
"Yes, sir."
"How many people did you interview?"
"Over a hundred. I would say that maybe half of those are key people."
The theme of Woodward's book – that aides fear what the president might do if allowed to follow his impulses – received an unusual confirmation last week, when The New York Times published an anonymous article written by a person described as "a senior official in the Trump administration." "I work for the president, but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations," he or she wrote.
When asked if he knows the author's identity, Woodward said, "I have no idea who it is. It's very important, who it is. It's very important whether this is somebody who witnessed and participated. And quite frankly, if there was a person in the White House or the administration who wanted to tell me what's in that op-ed piece, I would say, 'Okay, name me who was there. What is the specific incident?' As you know, from having read my book, the dates and times and participants [are documented]."
He said that without that detail on the op-ed author's story, "I wouldn't have used it."
"Too vague?" asked Martin.
"Well, too vague, and does not meet the standards of trying to describe specific incidents. Specific incidents are the building blocks of journalism, as you well know."
"Fear: Trump in the White House" is Woodward's 19th book, and he says reporting it took him deeper inside a working White House than he's ever been before.
"This one was in the belly of the beast," he said.
Martin asked, "And what did you conclude about the beast?"
"That people better wake up to what's going on."
I replied to your post.
But as well as we all know is that events in the last few days before any election short of landslides like Nixon vs McGovern,can have a dramatic impact upon the results.
I can't think of anything coming out from the Democratic side that can change the results in a major impact. Even McConnell has been saying that he is worried about the Senate majority.
In general the Democrats, especially in swing states and districts are running on local issues and concerns. The President and the Republicans are trying hard to get the voters to believe that impeachment and "socialism" as well as open borders are what the Democrats are standing for. I personally don't think that will be successful in most cases. Because the overriding issue is the President and he is extremely disliked in the suburbs that Obama won, but Trump won in 2016. The house of Representatives will change hands and perhaps by 15 to 20 seats. Maybe.
The Senate, because of the tarrifs, the midwest state Democratic Senators will hold onto Montana and North Dakota and Missouri. Texas is the wild card.
Cruz is deeply unliked.
The polling is not a mirage. Trump has made it real.
In one case I called somebody at 11 o'clock at night and said I'd like to talk. 'Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll get to it
Was it Casey awaking from his coma?
I will take one 5mg x 325 mg acetaminophen.
I think you meant Viagra?
Because Bob Woodhead just called me. Told me that some people who would like to remain anonymous happen to know some other people who have heard about your problems.
I used them.
Fortran was used to print spreadsheets before Excel.
Norco
Too bad you have ED.
I have things to do.
But I find it amusing that anyone who dares to differ with S. Scott..... is insane.
The President thinks that people who disagree with him are enemies of the country.
You live in a shithole swamp.
You live in a shithole swamp.
You live in California!
Been to lake Lanier. I wouldn't call it a shithole swamp.
Even McConnell has been saying that he is worried about the Senate majority.
you dumb fuck. he'd be saying that even if the GOP had a 20 point lead in every race. it's his job to say that and motivate the GOP voters.
mcconnell has been doing this just a tad bit longer than you have, alky.
mcconnell has been doing this just a tad bit longer than you have, alky.
but he used DOS 4.0 like everyone else born before 1980
but he used DOS 4.0 like everyone else born before 1980
the alky's life is so devoid of actual accomplishments he has to make up some. and even they're unimpressive.
Reuters reported that ACLU lawyer Lee Gelernt told a federal judge in San Diego on Friday, "We’ve had very difficult conversations with the parents this week. As much as they want to be with their child, and it’s heartbreaking, they feel it’s too dangerous."
We are not talking about one or two crazy families.
Reuters reported, "Gelernt told the court that he had spent time over the past week in Guatemala trying to locate parents of some of the roughly 300 children in U.S. care and found about two-thirds were refusing to have their child returned to them."
Most of these parents don't want the kids back.
Reuters concluded, "The Trump administration said on Thursday it plans to withdraw from a federal court agreement that strictly limits the conditions under which authorities can detain migrant children, and proposed new rules it said would enable it to detain minors during their immigration proceedings."
Watch them now argue that we must take them because their families don't want them, even though separating families is inhumane.
And torture.
It's all about importing a new majority to give power to Democrats.
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/09/parents-dont-want-their-immigrant-kids.html
And all D's work hard to make trump look bad....Must be the family in them!!! Go to watch the beaner voters since trump thinks their lives don't count.....sad..
Trump's conspiracy theory on Puerto Rico death toll makes even Florida Republicans squirm
Trump says Puerto Rico response was "unsung success"
President Trump’s assertion Thursday that Puerto Rico’s death toll from Hurricane Maria amounted to a conspiracy by Democrats to make him look bad proved too much for even his staunchest Republican supporters in Florida.
With the midterms less than two months away, and with Hurricane Florence bearing down on the Carolinas, Trump disputed an independent study that Puerto Rico’s government cited when, in August, it raised its official death toll from the storm to 2,975.
Trump’s remarks even proved too much for Florida gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis, a man who has advertised himself as being in lockstep with the president. “Ron DeSantis is committed to standing with the Puerto Rican community, especially after such a tragic loss of life,” a statement from the candidate’s campaign read. “He doesn’t believe any loss of life has been inflated.”
The timing of Trump’s tweet could not be worse for Republicans locked in tight races in Florida. Thousands of Puerto Ricans have relocated to the state in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria, and candidates in the state have worked hard to court their votes.
In a House race in South Florida that Democrats have targeted, incumbent Republican Rep. Carlos Curbelo retweeted Gov. Rick Scott’s rebuke of Trump on Thursday, a further sign of the anxiety the president’s latest conspiracy is causing.
Democrats like gubernatorial candidate Andrew Gillum also knew that Trump’s tweets could come back to haunt their party and quickly responded.
The 3000 figure was always a bogus number since it was never actually a count of people who died but and estimate of those deaths that may (or May not) be indirectly related to the storm.
What we know for sure is that 67 deaths were directly attributed to the storm. The was always the customary method of counting storm deaths and was in use up to Huricane Maria and was reinstated afterwards.
For some reason politicians in Pureto Rico and elsewhere decided that this was too low so in studies to estimate the deaths "indirectly caused by the storm". It is not much more than subjective guesswork and has gone to the point of attributing deaths due to natural causes to the storm. I suspect the high estimate is due the the political orentation of the people doing the estimating.
he 3000 figure was always a bogus number since it was never actually a count of people
Of course its bogus because you believe trump's conspiracy....Sad...all he ever does is make shit up, lie and you buy into it...And of course the D's thought the # was too low and had to raise the toll to do what???? You're such a putz and idiot....Your post yesterday saying they counted everyone who died no matter what was taken up by trump.....Sad how little you can offer other than opinion and BS...Lets see how much lower you and donnie can get... Were those people in the nursing home that lost power in Miami who died from the heat not part of the count of irma??? They all passed days after the storm!!!!! Yer such a douche....
At least 8 dead after Florida nursing home left with no A/C from...
www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/health/florida-nursing-home-deaths/index.html
Sep 13, 2017 ... Police are investigating the deaths of eight nursing home residents in ... set in after Hurricane Irma knocked out much of the power in the area.
That was counted in Irma's deaths because directly attributable to the storm. And the nursing home operator I believe was charged with negligent homicide for not having the generators in working order.
Heard there’s an anti-Trump Ralley tomorrow on Wilmington Beach, NC tomorrow
Fatty and Roger should attend
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