The Constitution empowers the House of Representatives to impeach the President, but doesn’t say what procedures the House must use. This leaves the House free to use whatever procedures it chooses.
The Constitution also does not say whether, or to what extent, the President must cooperate with the House when it considers impeaching him. This leaves the President free to cooperate as much or as little as he chooses.
As pointed out here, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If the Constitution doesn't tell Congress how to act, then it also doesn't compel the President to do anything either. The President has stated that he would participate, as long as the impeachment inquiry was made official in the manner that previous impeachment probes were done. Otherwise, the same logic the Democrats are using applies to him. There are no rules to follow.
The procedures approved by the Judiciary Committee for the Nixon and Clinton impeachments stated “[t]he President’s counsel may question any witness called before the Committee.” President Clinton’s attorney questioned Ken Starr when he appeared before the Judiciary Committee and President Nixon’s attorney questioned each of the nine witnesses that appeared before the Judiciary Committee.
The procedures approved by the Judiciary Committee for the Nixon and Clinton impeachments stated “[t]he President and his counsel shall be invited to attend all hearings, including any held in executive session.” President Clinton’s attorneys were allowed to call and question 14 expert witnesses before the Judiciary Committee.
Finally, it’s my understanding that in every prior presidential impeachment inquiry in American history, the full House voted to authorize the inquiry.
So this is how the past two impeachment inquiries went. Like everything else political these days, the Democrats have decided to "change the rules" because of the "bad orange man" and likely because they understand that public hearings that allowed the President's attorneys to ask questions would smash their allegation to pieces.
Democrats have also offered that impeachment is like an Grand Jury indictment. Therefor no due process is necessary, or something like that.
Common sense tells us that the grand jury model should not apply to the impeachment of a president. Grand juries consist of citizens pulled in at random. They routinely indict whomever the prosecutor wants them to. The saying is that the prosecution can indict a ham sandwich.
Nothing about this model makes sense in the impeachment context. Congressmen aren’t pulled in randomly off the street. They are the elected representatives of the American people. In an impeachment proceeding, all members of the House should be able to vote on the basis of the fullest, most fairly developed record.
This entails a proceeding in which the president receives due process — one in which his lawyers can attend all hearings, question all witnesses, and call witnesses of their own.
The president, moreover, is not an ordinary criminal defendant. He is the chief executive officer of the U.S. government and commander-in-chief of the U.S. armed forces. He typically, and in this case, was elected president by the American people. He should not be indicted as if he were a ham sandwich.
Obviously the Democrats want to just "change the rules" because the law doesn't specifically prohibit them from doing so. This is much like the excuse given by the Office of the Inspector General to lower the standards for what they conclude is a legitimate "whistleblower" complaint. You know where we saw that the longstanding policy to require information be "first hand" was removed because there was no specific mention of such withing the legal statute. Reality is that there are a lot of internal rules and procedures within our Government that requires them to be not just within the law, but well above it. Honestly, I have never seen so many people applaud our leaders doing the "bare minimum required".
But it seems that if Democrats really want a "serious" impeachment hearing, that they should at the very least take it as seriously as past impeachment hearings. If they refuse to take it as seriously as the previous impeachment inquiries, then they have no business complaining when others (like the President) doesn't take them seriously either.
So there you have it. Either call for a full vote of the House to approve the impeachment inquiry and then provide the President with his due process... or shut the hell up and accept that people are only going to take you as seriously as you take yourself.
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George Will, a true American and conservative thinks you are full of shit.
Trump, an ongoing eruption of self-refuting statements (“I’m a very stable genius” with “a very good brain”), is adding self-impeachment to his repertoire. Spiraling downward in a tightening gyre, his increasingly unhinged public performances (Google the one with Finland’s dumbfounded president looking on) are as alarming as they are embarrassing. His decision regarding Syria and the Kurds was made so flippantly that it has stirred faint flickers of thinking among Congress’s vegetative Republicans.
Because frivolousness and stupidity are neither high crimes nor misdemeanors, his decision, however contemptible because it betrays America’s Kurdish friends, is not an impeachable offense. It should, however, color the impeachment debate because it coincides with his extraordinary and impeachment-pertinent challenge to Congress’s constitutional duty to conduct oversight of the executive branch.
Aside from some rhetorical bleats, Republicans are acquiescing as Trump makes foreign policy by and for his viscera. This might, and should, complete what the Iraq War began in 2003 — the destruction of the GOP’s advantage regarding foreign policy.
Democrats were present at the creation of Cold War strategy. From President Harry S. Truman and Secretary of State Dean Acheson through Sen. Henry Jackson and advisers such as Max Kampelman and Jeane Kirkpatrick, they built the diplomatic architecture (e.g., NATO) and helped to maintain the military muscle that won the war. But the party fractured over Vietnam, veering into dyspeptic interpretations of America’s history at home and abroad, and a portion of the party pioneered a revised isolationism. Conservative isolationism had said America was too virtuous for involvement in the fallen world. Progressive isolationism said America was too fallen to improve the less-fallen world.
Hence Republicans acquired a durable advantage concerning the core presidential responsibility, national security. Durable but not indestructible, if Democrats will take the nation’s security as seriously as Trump injures it casually.
Trump’s gross and comprehensive incompetence now increasingly impinges upon the core presidential responsibility. This should, but will not, cause congressional Republicans to value their own and their institution’s dignity and exercise its powers more vigorously than they profess fealty to Trump. He has issued a categorical refusal to supply witnesses and documents pertinent to the House investigation of whether he committed an impeachable offense regarding Ukraine. This refusal, which is analogous to an invocation of the Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination, justifies an inference of guilt. Worse, this refusal attacks our constitutional regime. So, the refusal is itself an impeachable offense.
As comparable behavior was in 1974. Then, the House articles of impeachment against President Richard M. Nixon indicted him for failing “without lawful cause or excuse to produce papers and things as directed by duly authorized subpoenas issued by” a House committee, and for having “interposed the powers of the presidency against the lawful subpoenas” of the House.
If Trump gets away with his blanket noncompliance, the Constitution’s impeachment provision, as it concerns presidents, will be effectively repealed, and future presidential corruption will be largely immunized against punishment.
In Federalist 51, James Madison anticipated a wholesome rivalry and constructive tension between the government’s two political branches: “Ambition must be made to counteract ambition. The interest of the man must be connected to the constitutional rights of the place.” Equilibrium between the branches depends on “supplying, by opposite and rival interests, the defect of better motives.” But equilibrium has vanished as members of Congress think entirely as party operatives and not at all as institutionalists.
Trump is not just aggressively but lawlessly exercising the interests of his place, counting on Congress, after decades of lassitude regarding its interests, being an ineffective combatant. Trump’s argument, injected into him by subordinates who understand that absurdity is his vocation, is essentially that the Constitution’s impeachment provisions are unconstitutional.
The canine loyalty of Senate Republicans will keep Trump in office. But until he complies with House committee subpoenas, the House must not limply hope federal judges will enforce their oversight powers. Instead, the House should wield its fundamental power, that of the purse, to impose excruciating costs on executive branch noncompliance. This can be done.
In 13 months, all congressional Republicans who have not defended Congress by exercising “the constitutional rights of the place” should be defeated. If congressional Republicans continue their genuflections at Trump’s altar, the appropriate 2020 outcome will be a Republican thrashing so severe — losing the House, the Senate and the electoral votes of, say, Georgia, Arizona, North Carolina and even Texas — that even this party of slow-learning careerists might notice the hazards of tethering their careers to a downward-spiraling scofflaw.
If you actually were a conservative, you would not support Donald Trump.
So there you have it. Either call for a full vote of the House to approve the impeachment inquiry and then provide the President with his due process... or shut the hell up and accept that people are only going to take you as seriously as you take yourself.
If Trump gets away with his blanket noncompliance, the Constitution’s impeachment provision, as it concerns presidents, will be effectively repealed, and future presidential corruption will be largely immunized against punishment.
In Federalist 51, James Madison anticipated a wholesome rivalry and constructive tension between the government’s two political branches: “Ambition must be made to counteract ambition. The interest of the man must be connected to the constitutional rights of the place.” Equilibrium between the branches depends on “supplying, by opposite and rival interests, the defect of better motives.” But equilibrium has vanished as members of Congress think entirely as party operatives and not at all as institutionalists.
I'm not looking at this as a Democrat or liberal, I am an American patriot who believes in the Constitution, the Clinton does not. And neither do you!
I'm not looking at this as a Democrat or liberal, I am an American patriot who believes in the Constitution, the President does not. And neither do you!
You are a Trumpist at stage four brain cancer victim.
He has issued a categorical refusal to supply witnesses and documents pertinent to the House investigation of whether he committed an impeachable offense regarding Ukraine. This refusal, which is analogous to an invocation of the Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination, justifies an inference of guilt. Worse, this refusal attacks our constitutional regime. So, the refusal is itself an impeachable offense.
You actually take this seriously????
The president, moreover, is not an ordinary criminal defendant. He is the chief executive officer of the U.S. government and commander-in-chief of the U.S. armed forces. He typically, and in this case, was elected president by the American people. He should not be indicted as if he were a ham sandwich.
The Congress shall impeach the President for high crimes and misdemeanor. He's the President, not a ham sandwich.
Why do you guys keep pasting all this shit that no one ever reads?
And George Will hates Trump almost as much as Kristol.
He typically, and in this case, was elected president by the American people.
This is not an attempt to overturn the last election, that's a talking point provided by the President and you follow orders.
If Trump gets away with his blanket noncompliance, the Constitution’s impeachment provision, as it concerns presidents, will be effectively repealed, and future presidential corruption will be largely immunized against punishment.
Do you want this to apply to the next President, who is a liberal Democrat?
Of course not, because you are a hypocrite.
😡 SPEECHLESS! "They didn’t help us in the Second World War, they didn’t help us with Normandy." 😡😡😡DID TRUMP HELP IN VIETNAM?!
Mr Bone Spur draft dodger son of a bitch.
I know a lot of veterans of the war in Vietnam. Even though many of them are conservatives, they can't stand Trump.
They voted against Hillary Clinton, but the next Democratic candidate has to be positive about the future of the country, instead of being dragged into the swamp.
Most Americans support health care for everyone.
Most Americans are starting to understand how dangerous President Trump is. 51% support impeachment and removal from office.
It's not easy, to get most of the voters to look forward, but defending Trump is not going to be easy.
Has the house voted yet?
They have seen more than enough evidence.
The have the American people behind them, right
VOTE
right off the cliff
ROFLMFAO !!!
Sorry Roger...
But that is how the CONSTITUTION WORKS!
If you do not get 2/3 support for impeachment in the Senate (which requires bi-partisan support) - then you don't get to remove a President.
Any hope Democrats had were crushed, dashed, and smashed when they decided to not follow the previous precedents for impeachment, and rather decided to run a partisan inquiry behind the scenes where they would provide the "bad orange man" no rights.
This effectively guarantees that the Senate will not vote to convict, and it's unlikely that Democrats will get many if any Republicans in either chamber to join them.
But that is how it is "SUPPOSED TO WORK". This isn't Great Britain where we hold elections ever time the wind blows in a different direction. We only remove our elected leaders under extreme conditions were the "High Crime or Misdemeanor" is not a partisan disagreement, but an actual crime that can be agreed upon and proven.
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
You are ignorant.
During the house committee hearings on Nixon, were run the same way.
The trial in the Senate had people from both sides to testify under oath, from both sides of the defendant, Richard Nixon.
This bullshit about an attempt to overturn the last election. We don't have a parliamentary system. If he is either convicted and removed from office or resigns, Vice President Pence will be the President until at least January 20th in 2021.
If Trump gets away with his blanket noncompliance, the Constitution’s impeachment provision, as it concerns presidents, will be effectively repealed, and future presidential corruption will be largely immunized against punishment.
The President would in effect a dictator. But you don't give a shit, for reasons that make no sense anymore.
What's the HOLD UP ?
WHERE'S THE URGENCY ??
THE IC IG already delayed this 18 DAYS FOR NO APPARENT REASON
THIS IS AN URGENT COMPLAINT "WB"
GET OFF YOUR DUFF dems VOTE, the nation is at risk
Roger
Wrong again.
Both Clinton and Nixon were able to have counsel present, cross examine witnesses, and call their own witnesses during the House impeachment hearings. They didn't have to wait for the Senate.
That is a fact.
Giuliani Had Lunch with Indicted Donors Yesterday
October 10, 2019 at 2:37 pm EDT
Rudy Giuliani reportedly had lunch with Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman at Trump International Hotel in Washington yesterday, the same day that they were ARRESTED on campaign-finance charges, the Wall Street Journal reports.
Prosecutors said at a press conference that Parnas and Fruman were ATTEMPTING TO LEAVE the country when they were arrested at Dulles International Airport.
LEAVE THE COUNTRY. I GUESS THAT'S HOW YOU DRAIN THE SWAMP.
@realDonaldTrump
The President of the Ukraine just stated again, in the strongest of language, that President Trump applied no pressure and did absolutely nothing wrong. He used the strongest language possible. That should end this Democrat Scam, but it won’t, because the Dems & Media are FIXED!
FAKE IMPEACHMENT "INQUIRY"
@DaveNYviii
World Council of Arameans Press Release Proclaims "Trump is Right On Syria"
Trump’s plan may lead to peace, security and stability in Syria.
Press Release discusses Kurdish communist/nationalist factions and their ambition for Kurdistan #kurds
FULL PDF>https://wca-ngo.org/images/Syria2019/WCA_Statement_SyrianChristiansTrump-YPG_091019.pdf …
Erdogan Threatens to Send Millions of Refugees to Europe
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said he will send the 3.6 million Syrian refugees in Turkey to Europe if European countries continue to criticize his military incursion in Syria, Reuters reports.
Said Erdogan: “We will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way.”
NICE FELLOW, LIKE HIS FRIEND DONALD TRUMP.
You are incorrect.
High Crime or Misdemeanor" is not a partisan disagreement, but an actual crime that can be agreed upon and proven.
The house of Representatives shall impeach him for high crimes and misdemeanors.
They decide, this is not a criminal investigation, it is impeachment, as they decide. The Supreme Court ruled the the Nixon tapes were not protected by executive privilege.
Trump is attempting to circumvent this situation, and if he succeeds future presidents, will be effectively repealed, and future presidential corruption will be largely immunized against punishment.
@DavidJHarrisJr
Unbelievable! These changes that were made by Democrats to the document on August 12th, the SAME DAY day that the whistleblower filed his complaint.
"Pelosi and the Democrats Changed House Rules on Impeachment on Same Day Whistleblower Filed Complaint"
https://www.davidharrisjr.com/stevenahle/pelosi-and-the-democrats-changed-house-rules-on-impeachment-on-same-day-whistleblower-filed-complaint-2/
I guess you could call them Coup-Conspirators
Support for Impeachment Rises
A new PBS NewsHour, NPR and Marist poll finds 52% of Americans said they supported the House impeachment inquiry, and 49% of U.S. adults said President Trump should be impeached.
When asked what should happen after he is impeached, 48% of Americans said Trump should be removed from office.
The Republican Party Is ‘Docile, Supine and Invertebrate’
George Will:
“The canine loyalty of Senate Republicans will keep Trump in office. But until he complies with House committee subpoenas, the House must not limply hope federal judges will enforce their oversight powers. Instead, the House should wield its fundamental power, that of the purse, to impose excruciating costs on executive branch noncompliance. This can be done.
“In 13 months, all congressional Republicans who have not defended Congress by exercising ‘the constitutional rights of the place’ should be defeated. If congressional Republicans continue their genuflections at Trump’s altar, the appropriate 2020 outcome will be a Republican thrashing so severe — losing the House, the Senate and the electoral votes of, say, Georgia, Arizona, North Carolina and even Texas — that even this party of slow-learning careerists might notice the hazards of tethering their careers to a downward-spiraling scofflaw.”
SCOFFLAW. "ONE WHO SCOFFS AT THE LAW."
PERFECT DESCRIPTION OF TRUMP.
@Rockprincess818
Nike Pulls Houston Rockets Merchandise From China Stores.
Ahhh Nike, who gladly removed the Betsy Ross flag for Kaepernick, now bows to China demands...
Does the left finally understand why we always call them anti-American?
Said Erdogan: “We will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way.”
Thanks for proving our point pedophile, it's not our problem, it's the EUniks let them pay
JUST BREAKING==
House Subpoenas Giuliani Associates Under Indictment
October 10, 2019 at 4:07 pm EDT
“House investigators issued subpoenas on Thursday to compel two associates of Rudy Giuliani to sit for depositions in the impeachment inquiry, just hours after the men were indicted on campaign finance charges that touched on their work in Ukraine,” the New York Times reports.
“Three chairmen leading the investigation of President Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukraine to investigate his political rivals wrote that the associates, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, were required to appear for a deposition next Wednesday and hand over records related to their work with Mr. Giuliani.”
@Nigel_Farage
I’m feeling more optimistic about Brexit than I have for a long time. The latest proposed deal is now all but dead and the choice is looking clearer.
ALSO:
Rick Perry Subpoenaed
October 10, 2019 at 4:06 pm EDT
Three House committees leading the impeachment inquiry against President Trump issued a subpoena for Energy Secretary Rick Perry to testify, NBC News reports.
NBC News reports.
ROFLMFAO !!!
In case you haven't heard the are having A FEW MAJOR PROBLEMS over there.
and some involve Hillary. Any mention ?
HOWLING !!!
If Pelosi gets the votes to hold impeachment hearings, your argument will be nullified. I am not always correct, but I fear the executive branch will not be subject to control.
Trump is playing a game. We don't know if the Democrats will impeachment hearings, but you are playing games, in an attempt to protect the President from being impeached and/ or convicted.
I have been saying the same thing as George Will, despite differences in politics, I don't want any President to assume the powers Trump said. "I can do anything I want!"
Trump Rips Fox News Over Poll
President Trump blasted Fox News over their latest poll showing the majority of Americans now showing support for impeaching and removing him from office.
Said Trump: “From the day I announced I was running for President, I have NEVER had a good Fox News Poll. Whoever their pollster is, they suck.”
He added: “But Fox News is also much different than it used to be in the good old days… Fox News doesn’t deliver for US anymore. It is so different than it used to be. Oh well, I’m President!”
NOT FOR LONG, PERHAPS.
@NiceDeb
Nunes: Former Ukraine Ambassador Made ‘Strange’ and Irregular’ Requests to Monitor US Journalists
https://amgreatness.com/2019/10/10/nunes-former-ambassador-to-ukraine-made-strange-and-irregular-requests-to-monitor-u-s-journalists/#.XZ9lgaykH7g.twitter
Good to know this was not just done by the OBAMA CRIME SYNDICATE
@TomFitton
DEVELOPING: @JudicialWatch investigating allegations U.S. Embassy in Ukraine, at direction of Obama holdover Amb. Yovanovitch, was monitoring, contrary to U.S. law, social and other media statements on "Biden" and "Soros," among other terms, by @RealDonaldTrump family and allies.
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More OBAMA CRIME SYNDICATE activities
Scott,
The administration’s letter calls it a “necessary authorization,” but that’s simply false. A vote isn’t required by the Constitution, federal law or the rules of the House of Representatives.
You keep saying that because they haven't voted for impeachment hearings makes the investigation illegitimate , is not true.
Scott, Trump has no intention of cooperating with an impeachment inquiry, even if it were authorized by a vote.
You know that.
And you would support his decision.
Roger AmickApril 26, 2017 at 9:58 AM
Failed financial state.
Six figure income on defined benefits"
yet, you are suicidal , evicted and seeing a shrink.
"Trump has no intention of cooperating with an impeachment inquiry, even if it were authorized by a vote."
IF , you are a child.
Get to Voting .
The hypocrisy of assholes like the goat fucker and his boys is astounding....!!!!! When in doubt, just change your position except when sucking on trumps dick......going to get real ugly for Rudy and don Jr!!!!!!
By
Mike DeBonis and
Rachael Bade
Oct. 10, 2019 at 11:28 a.m. EDT
Several key players in the House impeachment inquiry of President Trump were the strongest proponents of Republicans’ iron-fisted oversight of the Obama administration, culminating in a two-year House probe into the deadly 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya.
Now, faced with a politically charged investigation into a president of their own party, they have dropped their formerly stout defense of congressional prerogatives and have joined Trump in endorsing a campaign of massive resistance to the impeachment probe — a turnabout that has left many Democrats and even some Republicans aghast.
Among those who participated in the select committee that probed the attacks on U.S. facilities in Libya were Mike Pompeo, then a Kansas congressman and now secretary of state and a key target of the current Democratic investigation, and Rep. Jim Jordan (Ohio), who is the top Republican on the House Oversight Committee. The panel’s chairman, then-Rep. Trey Gowdy (S.C.), who has since left Congress, will serve as an outside lawyer for Trump.
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“The notion that you can withhold information and documents from Congress no matter whether you are the party in power or not in power is wrong,” Gowdy said in 2012, as a House panel moved to hold then-Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. in contempt for failing to cooperate with its probe of a botched gunrunning operation. “Respect for the rule of law must mean something, irrespective of the vicissitudes of political cycles.”
2015: Clinton's Benghazi hearing in three minutes
Top moments from the first leg of the House Select Committee hearing on Benghazi where former secretary of state Hillary Clinton testified in October 2015. (Sarah Parnass/The Washington Post)
Gowdy did not respond to requests for comment but criticized the House investigation last week in Fox News Channel appearances — calling its leader, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), “deeply partisan” and accusing him of leaking information “like a sieve.”
In a 2016 addendum to the House Benghazi probe’s findings, Pompeo and Jordan thrashed Democrats, saying they “showed little interest in seeking the truth” and “spent the bulk of their time trying to discredit the Republican-led committee and leveling baseless personal attacks.” But in past weeks, the two have used similar tactics to undermine the House impeachment probe by, in Pompeo’s case, accusing Democrats of “bullying and intimidating State Department employees” in justifying a decision to block testimony and, in Jordan’s case, accusing the probe’s leader of misconduct and disqualifying political bias.
The US Economy is going very well.
If she actually gets that passed, the public will support it heavily!
I always try to consider that he got elected President, despite being deeply unqualified.
I just hope that the people step back and think about this President and what he wants to do, not matter what, is unacceptable.
Starting to hear calls for indictments of Schiff for fraud and racketeering over his falsifying the call transcript and his manipulation.
No they wont. Because the public will finally get to hear the other side that dems are keeping secret.
Stop Stalking me Troll.
MB, it is typical.that they are doing this in near complete secrecy. And they don't dare allow Transparency .
Nothing you do is anything but Failure Roger.
The fact that the economy is doing well, is not going to be the major reason to vote for Trump, if we don't indict and convict him.
This is how the KGB operated.
Starting to hear calls for indictments of Schiff for fraud and racketeering over his falsifying the call transcript and his manipulation.
Barr is traveling around the world, looking for dirt on Biden and any other potential candidate against Trump.
Seig Heil!
There has to be a crime you damn fool
And yet it may be a mistake for the Democrats to proceed much further without an authorization by the House.
For one reason, if this President refuses to release anything, the court system, despite being more conservative than in the past, if Pelosi holds the vote, the courts will follow precedence, and original intent, he will have to turn over everything.
The house shall..
This is not as simple as you seem to think. The high crimes and misdemeanors shall be decided as high crimes and misdemeanors, not the law and the country.
Go back to history 101, you obviously failed.
PG&E is being called "Racist" over their selected targeted shutdown of power.
Damn funny.
You need a crime for an indictment dumbass.
"The fact that the economy is doing well, is not going to be the major reason to vote for Trump."
Lol@SuicidalAlky
And you get your power from burning wood....why the fuck do you care???? Everything dead on your fake farm goat fucker.....running out of things to do?????? BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!!
Roger , in October 2020, say the US Economy returns to The Lost Years level.
is it your opinion it does not hurt Pres. Trump?
Watergate Prosecutors Say Trump Should Be Impeached
Seventeen former Watergate special prosecutors write in the Washington Post that President Trump should be impeached:
“In reaching these conclusions, we take note of 1) the public statements by Trump himself; 2) the findings of former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation; 3) the readout that the president released of his phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky; 4) the president’s continuing refusal to produce documents or allow testimony by current and former government employees for pending investigations, as well as for oversight matters; and 5) other information now publicly available, including State Department text messages indicating that the release of essential military aid to Ukraine was conditioned on Ukraine’s willingness to commence a criminal investigation designed to further the president’s political interests.”
Anonymous Myballs said...
Starting to hear calls for indictments of Schiff for fraud
Hannity and rush are really amusing you dumb fuck....!!!!! Rudy is shitting a brick as another trump ally is proving to be as big a fraud as trump.....Good to see Donnie jr in the same picture as the new indictees!!!!! Wonder if that is a coincidence????? The stench at the WH is growing every day!!!!
Blogger Roger Amick said...
And yet it may be a mistake for the Democrats to proceed much further without an authorization by the House.
Ya think? Right now the courts are going to look at the Houses impeach inquiry and will find it arbitrary and capricious. Not following establish procedures for impeachment inquiries raises a big red flag for violation of due process.
The house has the power to impeach but it must follow the establish and fair procedures required by due process.
And a hidden star chamber hearing with secret testimony and evidence is the antithesis of due process.
the courts are going to look at the Houses impeach inquiry and will find it arbitrary and capricious
And I find you moronic and stupid thinking the courts will fuck around with impeachment!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAA!!!!
old n slow
"Joe Biden (D) took a direct shot at his closest Democrat primary challenger, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), on Wednesday, arguing that the country is “not electing a planner.”
No, they don't have to do that. But to make it clear that if it goes into the courts.
if this President refuses to release anything, the court system, despite being more conservative than in the past, if Pelosi holds the vote, the courts will follow precedence, and original intent, he will have to turn over everything. The Nixon tapes and the Vietnam papers were not blocked because of the first amendment rights prevailed because they did not provide a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States.
Go back to history 101, you obviously failed.
care to give us another history lesson on president harry truman, alky?
didn't think so.
imbecile.
Menstra,
The administration’s letter calls it a “necessary authorization,” but that’s simply false. A vote isn’t required by the Constitution, federal law or the rules of the House of Representatives.
Blogger James said...
Erdogan Threatens to Send Millions of Refugees to Europe
huh.
well pederast, i'd say those NATO members in europe had better get busy.
the time for them pulling their own weight has just arrived.
heh.
Adlai Stevenson, a former Illinois governor lost to Eisenhower, he had defeated in 1952. I was one year old!
But you missed my point.
Trump is an isolationist. He has fallen deeply in love with Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Ung. Our allies are appalled by his actions, that he is dismantling the NATO alliance. Most of Senators are not happy about this. They won't convict him for these policies.
You don't know anything about history. You are just an angry old white supremacist who is deeply concerned about the changing demographics. Too many beaners are voting against the Republican party and you wish they were left to rot on the border wall.
A vote isn’t required by the Constitution, federal law or the rules of the House of Representatives.
neither is cooperation by the president and the white house, alky.
what you're looking at is what we call up here in NY a classic -
"fuck me??? no, FUCK YOU!!!"
this president is under no obligation, legal or otherwise, to comply with the wishes on the HOR. none. as in zero, zip, NADA.
especially since no subpoenas have been issued. only theatenting letters which, in legal terms, are the equivalent of a pimple on a gnat's ass.
you want to get trump's attention? take the measure to a floor vote with all members present and on the record. no hiding for the red state cowards.
then start issuing some actual subpoenas. now, the white house may fail to comply with those as well, but at least you'll have that much on the record.
currently what you have is schiff standing there looking like an idiot, and pelosi trying to talk to the press without her dentures hitting the floor.
not a good look for you guys. not at all.
Jimmy Hitler, you made my point.
the time for them pulling their own weight has just arrived.
Our allies are appalled by his actions, that he is dismantling the NATO alliance.
And the President is giving Turkey to murder those who sacrificed their lives to defeat ISIS. Because it makes Putin smile.
You just need help.
this president is under no obligation, legal or otherwise, to comply with the wishes on the HOR.
Yes he is.
You don't know anything about history.
alky, the revolutionary war era and our country's founding has always always been of interest to me. my library contains the biographies of every founding father of note. jefferson and hamilton are my personal favorites for several reasons. if you would like to engage in a discussion of this era i'd clean your clock without breaking a sweat. you forget that i've lived in the boston area, currently live a stone's throw from the saratoga battlefield, and am effectively immersed in a region that has examples of the history of the era everywhere.
what i would never do is act like you and try to pass myself of as a fucking expert on EVERYTHING.
from milk cattle ranching to being a crack shot at 100' to president truman to nixon, you've displayed a level of ignorance that is astounding. a blinding ignorance coupled with an unbridled arrogance. all supported by stolen content you copy/paste without attribution. and all in an effort to compensate for a lack of self esteem driven by the sum total of your life being one big epic fail by every measure.
you want to speak to a topic you're an expert on alky?
speak to FAILURE. because you stand alone around here as the leader on that particular topic.
Breaking News from the Washington Post Faux News.
At least four national security officials were so alarmed by the Trump administration’s attempts to pressure Ukraine for political purposes that they raised concerns with a White House lawyer both before and immediately after President Trump’s July 25 call with that country’s president, according to U.S. officials and other people familiar with the matter.
The nature and timing of the previously undisclosed discussions with National Security Council legal adviser John Eisenberg indicate that officials were delivering warnings through official White House channels earlier than previously understood — including before the call that precipitated a whistleblower complaint and the impeachment inquiry of the president.
At the time, the officials were unnerved by the removal in May of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine; subsequent efforts by Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani to promote Ukraine-related conspiracies; as well as signals in meetings at the White House that Trump wanted the new government in Kiev to deliver material that might be politically damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.
The 25th Of July phone call will result in the impeachment of President Donald Trump.
And if this follows history, he will either resign or face impeachment and conviction.
Nonsense
Our allies are appalled by his actions, that he is dismantling the NATO alliance.
trump is in now way dismantling the NATO alliance.
what he is doing is allowing some NATO members in a particular region far, far from the US settle a situation without our involvement or interference.
geezus, without a copy/paste to prop you up you're as fucking clueless as a newborn baby.
Yes he is.
apparently not alky, because he has, in not so many words, told the democrat leadership to get fucked.
...according to U.S. officials and other people familiar with the matter.
i'm just gonna leave this right here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/at-least-four-national-security-officials-raised-alarms-about-ukraine-policy-before-and-after-trump-call-with-ukrainian-president/2019/10/10/ffe0c88a-eb6d-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html
At least four national security officials raised alarms about Ukraine policy before and after Trump call with Ukrainian president.
Their concerns soared in the call’s aftermath, officials said. Within minutes, senior officials including national security adviser John Bolton were being pinged by subordinates about problems with what the president had said to his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. Bolton and others scrambled to obtain a rough transcript that was already being “locked down” on a highly classified computer network.
“When people were listening to this in real time there were significant concerns about what was going on — alarm bells were kind of ringing,” said one person familiar with the sequence of events inside the White House, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter. “People were trying to figure out what to do, how to get a grasp on the situation.”
It is unclear whether some or all of the officials who complained to Eisenberg are also the ones who later spoke to the whistleblower.
The accounts are sharply at odds with Trump’s depiction of the call as a “perfect” exchange in which he “did nothing wrong,” despite appearing to link U.S. support for Ukraine to that country’s willingness to investigate the family of the former vice president. On Thursday, Trump renewed his attacks on Twitter, describing the impeachment inquiry as a “Democrat Scam.”
But new details about the sequence inside the White House suggest that concerns about the call and events leading up to it were profound even among Trump’s top advisers, including Bolton and then-acting deputy national security adviser Charles Kupperman. Bolton and Kupperman did not respond to requests for comment.
Genocide is going to be his legacy.
While I regret leaving the Kurds on their own, if Turkey says they are invading,
I don't want to end up in a war with Turkey.
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP
Who Is Paying Rudy Giuliani?
October 10, 2019 at 5:32 pm EDT
Trevor Potter and Delaney Marsco: “Rudolph W. Giuliani is not the secretary of state. In fact, he has no official position in President Trump’s Cabinet or administration. Yet he is traveling the world holding himself out as a U.S. government operative, engaging in some unknown amount of ‘unofficial’ diplomacy and insisting his work is not only officially sanctioned by the president but also assisted by the State Department. The president’s ‘private lawyer’ is not charging Trump for his services, but he and his law firm are known to have dozens of clients — including foreign entities — who are paying for whatever services they think Giuliani can provide for them.
“That is a very convenient setup for Giuliani — but it leaves the public in the dark about the wealthy special interests who might be subsidizing his gratis work for Trump — or for whom he might actually be working while invoking Trump’s name and that of the State Department. Because Giuliani is not officially a federal employee, he can sidestep ethics obligations that would require transparency behind the foreign or domestic interests who are paying him.”
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Trump Distances Himself from Giuliani Associates
October 10, 2019 at 5:34 pm EDT
“President Trump said that he doesn’t know the two business associates of his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani who were arrested on campaign finance charges, but acknowledged he may have been photographed with them at some point,” The Hill reports.
Said Trump: “I don’t know those gentleman. Now, it’s possible I have a picture with them because I have a picture with everybody.”
He added: “I don’t know them, I don’t know about them, I don’t know what they do/ I don’t know, maybe they were clients of Rudy’s. You’d have to ask Rudy.”
SOMETHING ELSE FOR TRUMP TO WORRY ABOUT
Barr Meets with Rupert Murdoch
October 10, 2019 at 5:36 pm EDT
Attorney General William Barr “met privately Wednesday evening with one of President Trump’s frequent confidants, Rupert Murdoch, the media mogul whose holdings include Fox News, which has recently become MORE CRITICAL of the president,” the New York Times reports.
“The meeting was held at Mr. Murdoch’s home in New York.”
If support for impeachment gets up to about 65 percent, it’ll be time to hold a vote and send things to the Senate.
Pelosi is playing with the President, despite what some people think.
NO, YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP
The Mystery of Rudy Giuliani’s Vienna Trip
October 10, 2019 at 7:05 pm EDT
Elaina Plott: “Last night, when Rudy Giuliani told me he couldn’t get together for an interview, his reason made sense: As with many nights of late, he was due to appear on Hannity. When I suggested this evening instead, his response was a bit more curious. We would have to aim for lunch, Giuliani told me, because he was planning to fly to Vienna, Austria, at night. He didn’t offer any details beyond that.
“Giuliani called me at 6:22 p.m. last night—around the same time that two of his associates, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, were arrested at Dulles Airport while waiting to board an international flight with one-way tickets. As The Wall Street Journal reported this afternoon, the two men were bound for Vienna.”
James, the pictures are unbelievable. They are all over the place.
I hope that our formerly esteemed host will post pictures of him giving Trump a kiss on the lips at the rally tonight!
4 National Security Aides Raised Alarms About Trump Call
October 10, 2019 at 7:08 pm EDT
Washington Post:
“At least four national security officials were SO ALARMED BY the Trump administration’s ATTEMPTS TO PRESSURE Ukraine for political purposes that they raised concerns with a White House lawyer BOTH BEFORE AND IMMEDIATELY AFTER President Trump’s July 25 call with that country’s president.
“The nature and timing of the previously undisclosed discussions with National Security Council legal adviser John Eisenberg indicate that officials WERE DELIVERING WARNINGS through official White House channels EARLIER than previously understood — including BEFORE the call that precipitated a whistleblower complaint and the impeachment inquiry of the president.
“At the time, the officials were unnerved by
*the removal in May of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine;
*subsequent efforts by Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani to promote Ukraine-related conspiracies; as well as
*signals in meetings at the White House that Trump wanted the new government in Kiev to deliver material that might be politically damaging to Joe Biden.”
“Those concerns soared in the call’s aftermath.”
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WELL, WELL, WELL. NOW HOW ABOUT ALL THAT?
***** YOU CAN'T MAKR THIS SHIT UP *****
Joe Biden worked with whistleblower when he was vice president, officials reveal
The 2020 Democratic candidate with whom the CIA whistleblower had a "professional" tie is Joe Biden, according to intelligence officers and former White House officials.
Lawyers for the whistleblower said he had worked only "in the executive branch." The Washington Examiner has established that he is a career CIA analyst who was detailed to the National Security Council at the White House and has since left. On Sept. 26, the New York Times reported that he was a CIA officer. On Oct. 4, the newspaper added that he "was detailed to the National Security Council at one point."
Michael Atkinson, the Intelligence Community's inspector general, told members of Congress that the whistleblower had a "professional tie" to a 2020 Democratic candidate. He had written earlier that while the whistleblower's complaint was credible, he had shown "some indicia of an arguable political bias ... in favor of a rival political candidate."
A retired CIA officer told the Washington Examiner, “From everything we know about the whistleblower and his work in the executive branch then, there is absolutely no doubt he would have been working with Biden when he was vice president."
As an experienced CIA official on the NSC with the deep knowledge of Ukraine that he demonstrated in his complaint, it is probable that the whistleblower briefed Biden and likely that he accompanied him on Air Force Two during at least one of the six visits the 2020 candidate made to the country.
A former Trump administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, said Biden’s work on foreign affairs brought him into close proximity with the whistleblower either at the CIA or when he was detailed to the White House
more:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-biden-worked-with-whistleblower-when-he-was-vice-president-officials-reveal?_amp=true
what he is doing is allowing some NATO members in a particular region far, far from the US settle a situation without our involvement or interference.
geezus, without a copy/paste to prop you up you're as fucking clueless as a newborn baby.
Now let’s ask him what Turkey did, during the Cuban missile crisis. I’m sure he watched it ‘live’ on TV
***** YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP *****
sounds like quid pro joe and Schiff have a bit more explaining to do
@RealSLokhova
Biden travelled to Ukraine in 2014 after forcing a democratically-elected president to resign and installing his chosen candidate without new election. Here, Biden is photographed chairing the meeting of Ukrainian Parliament. Ukraine is supposedly a sovereign country.
https://twitter.com/RealSLokhova/status/1182439119093411840
While the FAKE NEWS FLUNKIES are having orgasms Biden and the FAKE "WB" are burning up. Would have already been gone except FAKE NEWS propping them up.
@nick_weil
Mark Zaid wanting to represent Comey as a whistle blower, so perfect
https://twitter.com/nick_weil/status/1182319781044580352
very interesting...
ROGER: James, the pictures are unbelievable. They are all over the place.
JAMES: Did I just see one of the Donald Jr. sitting cozily with those two sleazy characters?
@AndrewHClark
Oh.
The guy blowing the whistle on Trump calling out corruption by Joe Biden used to work with Joe Biden.
This makes more sense by the day.
wonder why Schiff wanted him to testify with altered voice and image and still behind a screen ? dems plow ahead I'm sure.
@TimRunsHisMouth
And there it is. Joe Biden worked with the 'whistleblower' when he was Vice President.
This was all a set up.
@robbystarbuck
Hey Mayor @Jacob_Frey take a look at how the people on your side are acting. This @realDonaldTrump voter is being threatened and called a racist by a gang of angry leftists. The Trump voter responds with love. Are you proud? This video says a lot.
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1182414869276045313
bet that lady is a 100% match for roger though ROFLMFAO !
@catturd2
For the communist Democrats who are involved in this treasonous Impeachment push - and fake news with your fake polls ...
Watch the Trump rally tonight.
Get a .01% taste of what it’s going to be like if you try to illegally remove our great President.
@thebradfordfile
WOW —
Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden worked with the fake CIA “whistleblower” when he was Vice President.
IT’S A FREAKING COUP.
@Barnes_Law
The left's willingness to weaponize every aspect of the state for political, partisan purposes, from the intelligence community to the 7th floor at the FBI, from impeachment to the judiciary, shows how dangerous today's professional left would be with the full power of the state.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-10-2019/index.html
HOLD YOUR NOSE AND WATCH THAT VIDEO
Trump's impulsive decision to withdraw 50, yes 50 American troops from the area in Syria, that led to the massacre of thousands of Kurdish civilians, is proof that this is a 73-year-old rich kid with a personality disorder who is in way over his head.
IF This IS TRUE.
"Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden worked with the fake CIA “whistleblower” when he was Vice President. "
This has to be legally punished.
WILL YEVONOVICH TESTIFY TOMORROW?
BETTER NOT LET HER, TRUMP!
That is horrible real hard news.
"led to the massacre of thousands of Kurdish civilians"
Roger Amick
Do tell Roger where did you read that Many Kurdish Civilians are already dead?
Trump Said His Former Ambassador To Ukraine Was "Bad News." Now She’s Due To Testify To Congress. IF SHE TESTIFIES, WE'LL FIND OUT WHO'S "BAD NEWS."rie Yovanovitch was described by those who worked with her as a diplomat’s diplomat. But her early recall from her post in Ukraine has raised questions she's due to answer before Congress.
KYIV — In the eyes of Donald Trump, the ambassador to Ukraine was disloyal, badmouthed him behind his back, and obstructed his efforts to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. Or at least that’s what a lawyer working for Trump, Rudy Giuliani, and his allies were telling him. The ambassador was standing in the way, they said.
So when Trump recalled Marie Yovanovitch from Kyiv in May, it raised questions about whether political pressure had been brought to bear against a career diplomat who had a reputation for honesty among those who worked with her.
Yovanovitch and the circumstances surrounding her ouster could be key to the House Democrats’ formal impeachment inquiry against Trump, which was prompted by a whistleblower alleging the president abused his power when he pressured his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, in a July 25 phone call to pursue investigations into the activities of Biden and his son Hunter. The whistleblower cited the recall of Yovanovitch as one of a number of worrying events leading up to Trump’s call with Zelensky.
Several current and former State Department officials who worked for years with Yovanovitch told BuzzFeed News they believed her removal from the post — two months ahead of her scheduled departure — was directly connected to pressure from the White House. But they said the allegations leveled by Giuliani and other Trump allies were unfounded, and instead described a three-time ambassador who remained professional and loyal — even as some colleagues hoped she would take a stance against an administration they feared would alter longstanding US policy toward Ukraine.
“I never heard her say anything pejorative or derogatory about the president,” said one current US diplomat who worked closely with Yovanovitch in Kyiv and spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear of professional retaliation.
“She was very careful to remain as apolitical as is possible,” said another current US diplomat who worked with Yovanovitch in Kyiv and didn’t want to be named for similar reasons. Recounting an embassy meeting Yovanovitch called hours after Trump’s 2016 election win, the diplomat said some colleagues “felt the sky was falling and [were] wondering, ‘What are we going to do?’”
“She said, ‘Look, we are professionals, institutions are there for a reason, and we will carry on.’ And some people actually left that meeting disappointed because they felt she was too even keel,” said the diplomat.
Yovanovitch is one of five current or former State Department officials summoned to testify in front of investigators from the House Committees on Intelligence, Oversight, and Foreign Affairs. But her appearance, scheduled for Friday, is in question after the White House said on Tuesday that it wouldn’t cooperate with what it called an illegitimate attempt “to overturn the results of the 2016 election.”
By late 2018, the campaign against Yovanovitch by Trump allies was heating up. Pete Sessions, a former Texas Republican member of the House who lost his reelection bid, wrote a letter in November to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo calling for the firing of the ambassador for allegedly criticizing the Trump administration in private conversations with colleagues. Reporting by BuzzFeed News and other outlets show his efforts may have been backed by two Soviet-born American businessmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who are close with Giuliani and were already working behind the scenes to dig up dirt on the Bidens when they met Sessions in May 2018. According to the Daily Beast, Parnas and Fruman, through their company, Global Energy Producers LLC, donated $325,000 to a pro-Trump PAC called America First Action, which supported Sessions’ reelection bid with more than $3 million. The two men were arrested on Thursday on accusations of violating campaign finance rules.
As those Trump allies pressed on, tensions with Ukrainian officials flared in March, when Yovanovitch publicly chastised their lackluster efforts to root out corruption and called for the country’s special anti-corruption prosecutor, Nazar Kholodnytsky, to be fired after he was caught coaching suspects on how to avoid corruption charges. Reached by phone, Kholodnytsky declined to comment, saying only that Yovanovitch was “a professional diplomat.”
Lutsenko quickly hit back at Yovanovitch over the criticism, claiming, without evidence, that she had passed him a list of people his office should not prosecute during their first meeting two years earlier. The State Department said his claim was an “outright fabrication” and Lutsenko retracted it a month later after saying there was never a physical list.
Nevertheless, Yovanovitch was recalled in May, reportedly on Trump’s orders. Though it wouldn’t be until months later after a non-verbatim transcript of Trump’s July 25 call with Zelensky was released by the White House, that we would learn how Trump personally felt about Yovanovitch. “The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news,” Trump told the Ukrainian leader. “And the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news, so I just wanted to let you know that.” Trump added, ominously: “She’s going to go through some things.”
Zelensky replied, “It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%.”
LAP PUPPY
Yovanovitch’s removal in May, and Trump’s comments about her during the call, made public with the White House’s release of a non-verbatim transcript last month, shocked career foreign service officers. In contrast with Sondland, who got the job as EU ambassador after donating $1 million to the inaugural committee for Trump, Yovanovitch is described by colleagues as a conscientious and dedicated professional diplomat with no clear political party preference.
It was a job that kept her working almost 24/7. “She would work three shifts a day,” one of the diplomats from the embassy in Kyiv said. “She’d have a full day of meetings and reading, and then she would be working Washington until four in the morning.”
By late 2018, the campaign against Yovanovitch by Trump allies was heating up. Pete Sessions, a former Texas Republican member of the House who lost his reelection bid, wrote a letter in November to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo calling for the firing of the ambassador for allegedly criticizing the Trump administration in private conversations with colleagues. Reporting by BuzzFeed News and other outlets show his efforts may have been backed by two Soviet-born American businessmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who are close with Giuliani and were already working behind the scenes to dig up dirt on the Bidens when they met Sessions in May 2018. According to the Daily Beast, Parnas and Fruman, through their company, Global Energy Producers LLC, donated $325,000 to a pro-Trump PAC called America First Action, which supported Sessions’ reelection bid with more than $3 million. The two men were arrested on Thursday on accusations of violating campaign finance rules.
As those Trump allies pressed on, tensions with Ukrainian officials flared in March, when Yovanovitch publicly chastised their lackluster efforts to root out corruption and called for the country’s special anti-corruption prosecutor, Nazar Kholodnytsky, to be fired after he was caught coaching suspects on how to avoid corruption charges. Reached by phone, Kholodnytsky declined to comment, saying only that Yovanovitch was “a professional diplomat.”
Confirmed Obama/Biden Whistle blower worked with Biden.
Lutsenko quickly hit back at Yovanovitch over the criticism, claiming, without evidence, that she had passed him a list of people his office should not prosecute during their first meeting two years earlier. The State Department said his claim was an “outright fabrication” and Lutsenko retracted it a month later after saying there was never a physical list.
Nevertheless, Yovanovitch was recalled in May, reportedly on Trump’s orders. Though it wouldn’t be until months later after a non-verbatim transcript of Trump’s July 25 call with Zelensky was released by the White House, that we would learn how Trump personally felt about Yovanovitch. “The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news,” Trump told the Ukrainian leader. “And the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news, so I just wanted to let you know that.” Trump added, ominously: “She’s going to go through some things.”
Zelensky replied, “It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%.”
Yovanovitch’s removal in May, and Trump’s comments about her during the call, made public with the White House’s release of a non-verbatim transcript last month, shocked career foreign service officers. In contrast with Sondland, who got the job as EU ambassador after donating $1 million to the inaugural committee for Trump, Yovanovitch is described by colleagues as a conscientious and dedicated professional diplomat with no clear political party preference.
“She stood up for American — not partisan — interests as ambassador in Kyiv, just as she always has,” Kennedy said.
“I’ve never met a career diplomat who’s openly discussed their party preference, but some you can divine from conversations on foreign policy, or whatever,” said Dan Baer, a former US ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe who worked alongside Yovanovitch on Ukraine matters. “I would say Masha is on the other end of the spectrum, like, I have no idea whether she votes Republican or Democrat.”
Many of Yovanovitch’s colleagues hope she will eventually be able to testify to House investigators, but it remains unclear whether that will be possible.
Baer said she could potentially get around the State Department block on officials testifying by resigning, like Volker did, “if she feels it’s necessary that people hear it.” Yovanovitch is still a member of the Foreign Service and is currently a senior State Department fellow at Georgetown University’s Institute for the Study of Diplomacy.
Some of her colleagues said that’s possible, given her sense of duty. But if she does testify, they don’t expect the longtime loyal public servant to take cheap shots at the man who fired her or manipulate the facts surrounding the impeachment issue.
“I don’t see her as thinking, ‘Oh, here’s my chance to get back at the administration,” said one diplomat. “I also think she is diligent enough of a civil servant that she has records, she’s kept files…[and] she has a good recall. And she will have prepared diligently for this briefing.
“She’s never going to be one to shape the truth, so she’ll be very straight forward."
“She stood up for American — not partisan — interests as ambassador in Kyiv, just as she always has,” Kennedy said.
“I’ve never met a career diplomat who’s openly discussed their party preference, but some you can divine from conversations on foreign policy, or whatever,” said Dan Baer, a former US ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe who worked alongside Yovanovitch on Ukraine matters. “I would say Masha is on the other end of the spectrum, like, I have no idea whether she votes Republican or Democrat.”
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A TRUTHFUL, COMPETENT DIPLOMAT GETS MIXED UP IN THE TRUMPSTER'S DISHONEST, INCOMPETENT QUAGMIRE.
KansasDemocrat
Confirmed Obama/Biden Whistle blower worked with Biden
Yep, but the lying FAKE POS "pastor" will desperately spam like the shit he is to keep his false narrative going.
*spit*
Confirmed Obama/Biden Whistle blower worked with Biden.
When do the Real Democrats in the US House shut the Polosi/Schiff/Obama/Biden team down?
calm down "pastor". And try to stop lying though at your age you are probably too old to even try.
Another of your FAKE NEWS BOMBSHELLS is blowing up.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Confirmed Obama/Biden Whistle blower worked with Biden.
When do the Real Democrats in the US House shut the Polosi/Schiff/Obama/Biden team down?
Dems don't have anything else they can do but keep lying. Look at the POS "pastor"
CIA Mole
"The anti-Trump CIA whistleblower who filed a complaint against President Donald Trump last month, which has led Democrats to call for Trump’s impeachment, worked with Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden when Biden was vice president in the Obama administration."
No wonder Speaker in Name Only Polosi and Adam Schiffty have been hiding the ID of the CIA Black Bag Mole.
Shut this b.s. down tomorrow.
I stop reading Jane's posts long ago.
It's obvious even he doesn't read them.
True.
CHT points that fact out to Jane daily.
Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom 'consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the economy of Turkey (I've done it before)"
Donald j Trump!!!!!
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This man is so delusional he's starting to believe in his own omnipotence! This guy is totally unfit for office and he should not be allowed to make any military decisions that could lead America into war!
Sondland to Testify Next Week
U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland is expected to testify next Wednesday before the House committees investigating President Trump and Ukraine, despite being blocked by the State Department from appearing at a closed-door deposition this week, 3 congressional sources tell Axios.
Envoy to Ukraine Removed After Pushback on Giuliani
The former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine was removed from her post after INSISTING THAT RUDY GIULIANI'S REQUESTS TO UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS FOR INVESTIGATIONS be relayed through OFFICIAL channels,” the AP reports.
“The ambassador, Marie Yovanovitch, is scheduled to testify before congressional lawmakers on Friday as part of the House impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump. Democrats say they expect her to appear despite the White House’s position that no administration officials cooperate with the probe.”
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IOW, TRUMP TRIED TO DRAIN HIS OWN SWAMP INTO UKRAINE.
IF THEY TRY TO MAKE HER LOOK BAD, IT'S GOING TO BLOW UP IN THEIR FACES. SHE WAS ONLY BEING REASONABLE AND ABOVE BOARD.
TRUMP keeps beating the left like a drum
GREAT RALLY TODAY !!!
Another great day for America.
Thanks President Trump.
And no help from the treasonous left. But they are imploding
Giuliani Pressed for Turkish Prisoner Swap
“During a contentious Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in 2017, Rudolph W. Giuliani pressed for help in securing the release of a jailed client, an Iranian-Turkish gold trader, as part of a potential prisoner swap with Turkey,” the New York Times reports.
“The request by Mr. Giuliani provoked an immediate objection from Mr. Tillerson, who argued that it would be highly inappropriate to interfere in an open criminal case.”
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Ex-Trump Aide Will Describe ‘Shadow’ Policy on Ukraine
“Fiona Hill, who was until recently President Trump’s top aide on Russia and Europe, plans to tell Congress that Rudy Giuliani and E.U. ambassador Gordon Sondland circumvented the National Security Council and the normal White House process to pursue a SHADOW POLICY on Ukraine,” a person familiar with her expected testimony told NBC News.
“Hill’s appearance next week before Congress has stoked FEAR among people close to the president, said a former senior White House official, given her central role overseeing RUSSIA AND UKRAINE policy throughout most of the Trump administration.”
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Senior Pompeo Aide Resigns In Protest
“Michael McKinley, a career diplomat and senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, has resigned his position amid rising dissatisfaction and plummeting morale inside the State Department over what is seen as Pompeo’s failure to support personnel ensnared in the Ukraine controversy,” the Washington Post reports.
IT JUST KEEPS ON PILING UP AND UP AND UP AND UP...
What was Obama's role in the COUP attempt ?
When will the OBAMA CRIME SYNDICATE be prosecuted?
It is just a question of when.
and all the SPAM in the world from the lying POS "pastor" won't stop judgement day.
AND PILING UP CONTINUED....
Giuliani’s Dealings with Associates Probed
“Rudy Giuliani’s financial dealings with two associates indicted on campaign finance-related charges are under scrutiny by investigators overseeing the case,” CNN reports.
“The FBI and prosecutors in Manhattan are examining Giuliani’s involvement in the broader flow of money that have become the focus of alleged violations that are at the center of the allegations against Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, the sources said. The sources did not say that Giuliani was a target of the investigation.”
AH, BUT THAT WILL COME.
Hey, maybe Hunter Biden is the "wb"
He appears to have gone to witness protection. Maybe Corn Pop is thinking of going after him.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Since the President says that the Congress cannot impeach the President, the house of Representatives should threaten to use inherent contempt powers. Arresting William Barr would be the first step toward restoring the Constitutional powers granted by the Constitution that the President says they cannot impeach him, because he was elected President.
Since the President says that the Congress cannot impeach the President, the house of Representatives should threaten to use inherent contempt powers. Arresting William Barr would be the first step toward restoring the Constitutional powers granted by the Constitution to the house of Representatives, because the President says they cannot impeach him, because he was elected President. He just said that this is a coup, that he will not comply to the subpoenas. He is attempting to overthrow the government of the United States of America.
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-houses-contempt-powers-explained
Congress’s dormant inherent contempt power—is rarely used in modern times. Inherent contempt was the mode employed by Congress to directly enforce contempt rulings under its own constitutional authority until criminal and civil contempt statutes were passed, and it remained in use into the twentieth century. Under inherent contempt proceedings, the House or Senate has its Sergeant-At-Arms, or deputy, take a person into custody for proceedings to be held in Congress.
Although these powers are not directly stated in the Constitution, the Supreme Court has ruled on multiple occasions that they are implicit as an essential legislative power held by Congress.
Justice Willis Van Devanter made perhaps the most famous statement of these powers in McGrain v. Daugherty, a 1927 Supreme Court decision about Mally S. Daugherty, the brother of former Attorney General Harry Daugherty. A select Senate committee issued a subpoena for Daugherty to testify and to also surrender records from an Ohio bank. When Daugherty refused to comply after a second subpoena, the Senate passed a resolution issuing a warrant and authorizing a Senate deputy to take Daugherty into custody.
Literally the Senate Deputy could arrest witnesses who refused to testify.
CIA Mole
"The anti-Trump CIA whistleblower who filed a complaint against President Donald Trump last month, which has led Democrats to call for Trump’s impeachment, worked with Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden when Biden was vice president in the Obama administration."
No wonder Speaker in Name Only Polosi and Adam Schiffty have been hiding the ID of the CIA Black Bag Mole.
Shut this b.s. down Today.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Since the President says that the Congress cannot impeach the President, the house of Representatives should threaten to use inherent contempt powers. Arresting William Barr would be the first step toward restoring the Constitutional powers granted by the Constitution to the house of Representatives, because the President says they cannot impeach him, because he was elected President. He just said that this is a coup, that he will not comply to the subpoenas. He is attempting to overthrow the government of the United States of America.
He's right, this would nothing short of a coup. Arresting cabinet heads? What fantasy land are you in?
How about this?
Pass an impeachment inquiry resolution to legitimize the process.
Appoint a select committee on impeachment (preferable with a chairman who is sober and fair and is not a publicity seeking hack)
Have open public hearings where testimony can be heard by all.
Allow cross examination and presenting of evidence by the minority.
Seems far-fetch?
That's how it was done with Nixon and Bill Clinton.
Obama/Biden spreading the wealth around.
"HillStone International won a coveted government contract in part because the company has “the little brother of the vice president as a partner,” as David Richter, president of HillStone’s parent company explained to investors in a recent meeting reported on by Fox Business today.
“Since November 2010, James Biden has been the executive vice president of Hill International’s housing subsidiary despite little if any documented work history in residential construction,” Fox explains. “And if the company’s projections are accurate, both Hill and Biden are on the verge of a huge payday, beneficiaries, some analysts believe, of James Biden’s connections to the Obama Administration through his older brother.”
WTF does bidens brother have to do with anything you goat fucking idiot????/ Flinging shit around is all you ever post anymore.....dumb fucking assshole!!!!!!!! While trump takes pictures with foreign operatives and Rudy hires them is just fine with stupid fucks like you!!!
Pass an impeachment inquiry resolution to legitimize the process.
The House of REPRESENTATIVES has the sole POWER of Impeachment......What part of that simple sentence don't you understand you walking box of rocks???????
CIA Mole
"The anti-Trump CIA whistleblower who filed a complaint against President Donald Trump last month, which has led Democrats to call for Trump’s impeachment, worked with Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden when Biden was vice president in the Obama administration."
No wonder Speaker in Name Only Polosi and Adam Schiffty have been hiding the ID of the CIA Black Bag Mole.
Shut this b.s. down Today.
Alky Stupid hit a new high.
"Roger AmickOctober 10, 2019 at 3:53 PM
The fact that the economy is doing well, is not going to be the major reason to vote for Trump."
The House of REPRESENTATIVES has the sole POWER of Impeachment..
The House of REPRESENTATIVES have not exercise that power yet.
Because all actions of the HOUSE requires a vote of the HOUSE.
That has not happen.
Maybe crack a 7th grade civics text book some time? Some education you got at FDU.
There is no evidence the whistleblower is anti trump....BY LAW, ALL FEDS ARE REQUIRED TO REPORT WRONG DOING BY ANYONE....to keep their clearances....If you know someone is a drunk or broke or a user.....and don't report it....you are in deep shit if you are found out.....you dumb fucking asshole!!!!!! As far as I am concerned, every senator is putting trump in front of country....appalling that you keep slurping and and hating the country...!!!!
😂WASHINGTON—Lawyers for the CIA officer whose whistleblower complaint helped ignite an impeachment inquiry into President Trump have asked Congress whether their client could submit testimony in writing instead of appearing in person, according to people familiar with the matter."😅
Can't hide The CIA Mole , get s/he to testify in public.
Why hide the Mole?
There is no evidence the whistleblower is anti trump..
You mean except for the fact that he's a registered Democrat who worked in the Obama administration with Biden.
Report Roger.Naw.
".If you know someone is a drunk or broke or a user." Dopie
The House of REPRESENTATIVES have not exercise that power yet.
So you disagree with the constitution cramps??????? BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Suggest you review. Article I, Section 2, Clause 5: Impeachment there is nothing in there that requires a vote to start proceedings you dumb fuck...Unless you have a cite that says they shall vote.....you fucking lose again you dumbness.....
Blogger KansasDemocrat said...
Report Roger.Naw.
BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!! I don't have a clearance any more you dumb fuck.....It also means reporting perverts who fuck goats ,,,,,,ASSHOLE !!!!!!
WASHINGTON—Lawyers for the CIA officer whose whistleblower complaint helped ignite an impeachment inquiry into President Trump have asked Congress whether their client could submit testimony in writing instead of appearing in person, according to people familiar with the matter.
He/She wants to stay in the shadows, this is not how an honest man or woman behaves. It won't be the "whistleblower" answering the question. It will be his/her lawyers and there is no chance of cross-examination.
This won't fly with the public. Even the most dense never-Trumper will smell a rat.
You mean except for the fact that he's a registered Democrat
WHICH PROVES WHAT ASSHOLE??????
So you disagree with the constitution cramps??????? BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!
No, dipshit. l'm not arguing they have the power, I'm saying they haven't exercise that power by authorizing an impeachment inquiry.
Funny thing cramps....the sources alleging your claim about the whistle blower.....national review.....ny post, breitbart.....see any pattern there numb nutz/????????
The intelligence community's inspector general, Michael Atkinson, acknowledged an indication of possible political bias in his assessment of the complaint but made clear that it did not change his overall conclusion that it appeared to be credible.
Nice try !!!!
I'm saying they haven't exercise that power by authorizing an impeachment inquiry.
BWAAAAAAAA!!!! They are exercising that right now you dumb fuck.....They are following the letter of the law in spite of your stupid opinion ....>BWAAAAAAAAA!!!! Once again still waiting for your cite that says the House Shall have a vote......asshole....your inept opinion don't count!!!!!Three strikes and you are out!!!!!!!
At least four national security officials were so alarmed by the Trump administration’s attempts to pressure Ukraine for political purposes that they raised concerns with a White House lawyer both before and immediately after President Trump’s July 25 call with that country’s president, according to U.S. officials and other people familiar with the matter.
And yet... we will never actually hear from any of them publicly or if we do it will be shown that they are hard core Democratic operatives.
More corruption at the top.
Trump sought to enlist then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in the fall of 2017 to work with Rudolph W. Giuliani to help stop the prosecution of a Turkish Iranian gold trader represented by the former New York mayor, according to people with knowledge of the request.
Trump urged Tillerson in an Oval Office meeting to try to craft a diplomatic “deal” to stop the U.S. case against Reza Zarrab on corruption charges in exchange for concessions from Turkey. The request shocked the then-secretary of state, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations involving the president.
At the time, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was personally lobbying Trump to get the charges dropped.
Trump, in turn, repeatedly raised the topic with Tillerson — including directly in the Oval Office meeting.
Your continuing commitment to undermining the national security forces is par for the course.
They risk their lives to protect the country from enemies, foriegn and domestic. You denigrate them in the name of the President.
And yet... we will never actually hear from any of them publicly
Imagine releasing their names with assholes like you and the dumb fuck rat on the loose!!!!! What do you think you will learn from their identities other than the ability to threaten them, their family and friends......I'm sure rat would be willing to disclose his city of residence if he gets a name of a whistleblower......Like anyone gives a shit what hovel he lives in!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAA
WHAT I FIND MOST AMUSING ABOUT THIS MORNINGS MENSTRAL POSTS IS THE CERTAINTY HE HAS THE WHISTLE BLOWER IS A D BASED ON ANONYMOUS SOURCES!!!!! We don't even know the guys name to confirm any surety on his/her registration.....Amazing how stupid you R's can be when following conspiracy fake news bullshit.....!!!!!!
Democrat Abondon Transparency to keep the Mask ON the CIA Moles.
Alky Stupid
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The fact that the economy is doing well, is not going to be the major reason to vote for Trump"
The three Stooges of CHT rack up an other Spectacular Failure.
The Tarriffs were suppose to spike prices according to those no economic knowledge dolts.
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Import price index Sept.-0.1%"
BWAAAAAAAA!!!! They are exercising that right now you dumb fuck..
No, despite what you may believe Nancy Pelosi can't just snap her fingers and declare an impeachment inquiry, there has to be a resolution voted on by a majority of house members.
Otherwise it is not legitimate to the point that any subpoena issued by them will be quash by the courts for lacking due process.
You there the rule of law and such.
WHAT I FIND MOST AMUSING ABOUT THIS MORNINGS MENSTRAL POSTS IS THE CERTAINTY HE HAS THE WHISTLE BLOWER IS A D BASED ON ANONYMOUS SOURCES!!!
It was reported by the New York Times the New York Post the Wall Street Journal and Fox News among others. And the ICIG has stated publicly there was political bias and his lawyers have not denied these reports.
The fact that the economy is doing well, is not going to be the major reason to vote for Trump
Yeah, that was Alky stupid.
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