As Karl Rove suggested yesterday (which is the same thing I have argued previously) that this shutdown is a "pox on both houses". Both sides are losing support from the general public overall. According to recent polling, nobody has more than 35% of the public who are pleased with how they are handling the crisis. The latest poll shows Congress now has a whopping 12% approval rating. (yes, twelve, as in a one followed by a two). The President is sitting at under 42%.
But the issue right now is that both sides are dug in and that both sides have overwhelming support of their own base on this issue. Obviously neither side seems willing to disappoint their base by giving in, even if it may help them with the mushy middle (and raise their approval ratings). I would see the possibility of the shutdown still going on come January 29th as more likely than not.
Is this an indication of what we get, now that Nancy Pelosi took over as speaker? I doubt that the longest government shutdown in history was what voters expected. But they were fools if they thought it would be different.
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And you are busy accusing me of being a child molester.
Holding the president responsible marks a reversal in polling from previous shutdowns, and it’s raising pressure on Senate Republicans, some of whom have begun calling for Trump to relent and re-open the government while Congress debates funding for border security.
Here are the recent survey results:
A Quinnipiac University poll taken Jan. 9-13 found that 56 percent of Americans blame Trump and Republicans for the shutdown, while 36 percent fault Democrats.
A Washington Post/ABC poll taken Jan. 8-11 found that 53 percent say Trump and congressional Republicans are to blame, while 29 percent point the finger at Democrats.
A CNN poll taken Jan. 10-11 showed that 55 percent blame Trump and Republicans, while 32 percent blame Democrats.
A CBS/YouGov survey taken Jan. 9-11 said 47 percent blame Trump, 3 percent blame Republicans, and 30 percent blame Democrats.
A Reuters/Ipsos poll taken January 1-7 found that 51 percent blame Trump, 7 percent blame Republicans and 32 percent fault Democrats.
A Politico/Morning Consult poll from Jan. 4-6 found that 47 percent blame Trump, 5 percent blame Republicans and 33 percent blame Democrats.
The partial shutdown is the longest in modern U.S history and entered its 24th day on Monday, halting paychecks for 800,000 federal workers while forcing about 420,000 of them to work without pay. Efforts by Republicans like Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina to cut an immigration deal to resolve the impasse have failed, and Trump rejected his latest proposal on Monday morning.
And you are busy accusing me of being a child molester.
Well Rog... nobody here is accusing you of being a child molester.
You are being called out on your lack of compassion for those Children who are being sexually assaulted by illegal aliens. On average an illegal alien is considerably more likely to sexually assault an underage child, as a legal citizen is to commit any sexual crime of any sort.
But as long as those sexual predators have an "I voted" sticker on their shirt on election day and an Obama or Clinton bumper sticker... apparently the trauma of these victims is not enough incentive to keep them out of the country.
And let's be clear her Rog...
This President isn't going to give a bigger rat's ass about media polling on the subject. He hasn't given a bigger shit about media polling since they showed him down double digits to Clinton just a couple of weeks before the election.
This particular President actually told the country that it was his shutdown, and that he was more than willing to shut it all down for the sake of border security.
So you think he cares that CNN says he is to "blame" ???
To him, it's all going to be "fake news".
I think that is the point that Schumer, Pelosi, and the media don't quite get. He isn't going to be "polled" into submission on this one.
Btw....
I listened to Lindsay Graham's proposal.
Did you?
Graham supports the President declaring a National Emergency.
But before doing so, he wants the President to reopen the Government for three weeks, and if there is no deal after that time, then Graham says that "all bets are off". Declare the emergency.
Graham also suggested that Chris Coons and other Democrats are willing to negotiate a deal that would provide funding for the wall, but that as long as Pelosi is offering $1.00 - that there is no deal to be done.
So it's fake news to suggest that Graham had some sort of deal in place. Most certainly Graham offered absolutely no indication that he would ever vote for to end the shut down without a wall. So the only thing that Trump might have rejected (as would many people) is the idea that there is something to be gained in reopening the government "temporarily". Because as long as Pelosi is holding steady at $1.00 - then there is no chance of a deal.
Might as well keep the government shut down.
Bottom line.
You are being "gaslighted" again with misinformation.
This President isn't going to give a bigger rat's ass about media polling on the subject. He hasn't given a bigger shit about media polling since they showed him down double digits to Clinton just a couple of weeks before the election.
True that. Althought I don't think the same can be said for his party in Congress.
They are stil intimidated by the media.
Scott you are a liar again.
You said that I would love to jack off while thinking about sexual perverts were fucking children.
I can see why wp and indy and even a few conservatives have quit participating on this blog.
FUCK YOU!
BTW, you are lying again.
This President isn't going to give a bigger rat's ass about media polling on the subject.
Bullshit again. If he loses his base and Rush Limbaugh he's never going to get reelected for dogcatcher.
Trumpism is at stage 10.
You are dead inside your brain.
This President isn't going to give a bigger rat's ass about media polling on the subject. He hasn't given a bigger shit about media polling since they showed him down double digits to Clinton just a couple of weeks before the election.
trump supporters are shrewd enough to lie when a pollster calls.
gallup called my house twice in the run up to the 2016 election. and both times they recorded me as an enthusiastic hillary voter.
only a moron is touting the polls.
Bullshit again. If he loses his base and Rush Limbaugh he's never going to get reelected for dogcatcher.
alky,
only an imbecile looks at these polls and interprets them as reflecting a softening of support for trump.
as a self-proclaimed student of politics and history you should know this shit.
You said that I would love to jack off while thinking about sexual perverts were fucking children.
That's not an accusation that you rape children yourself, Rog.
Just an observation that you seem very "in favor" of allowing sexual predators to enter our country and sexually assault American children.
I would think you would want to "prevent" children her in America from being raped. But you don't.
Tell us why that is Roger?
Why do you not have a problem with children being raped?
If you can provide a reasonable explanation as to why sexual assault of children is not a problem for you... then everyone will owe you a big apology.
If you cannot provide a reasonable explanation as to why sexual assault is not a problem for you... then you have your explanation as to why reasonable people will find your position quite off putting.
Bullshit again. If he loses his base and Rush Limbaugh he's never going to get reelected for dogcatcher.
Of course, Rog...
But, of course, the only way he loses Rush and his base is by caving in on his signature issue. He knows that... which is why a poll from CNN stating that 13% more Americans "blame him" than "blame Democrats"....
Isn't going to mean a rat's ass to him. Because he knows his base. He doesn't have to get polling numbers to decide what to do, or change his stance based on what an MSNBC pollster says.
Btw Rog...
My blog used to get between 4K and 6K views a day, back when it was just me posting and Indy helping out around election time. I got linked to RCP, got mentioned multiple times on Cable News shows, and even got some of my stuff published in the Star Tribune editorial/opinion page.
Then I turned it into a group blog and it fell to about 20% of that, and became completely irrelevant. I eventually had to stop paying for my own domain and hosting (because revenue dried up) and ended up here on Blogspot getting a few hundred views a day.
People like Sean Trende, Gerry Daly, and other relevant bloggers told me at the time that I made a huge mistake opening up my blog (specifically) to you.... that you were the reason it dumped. Sean and others always appreciated Indy and his analysis. But you... um no.
So you keep referring to WP as if his decision to creep off elsewhere is some big deal (Indy still lingers). You pretty much single handedly turned this from a relevant political blog, to a political-hack shit show.
i recall the night ron reagan mentioned this blog on ( i think) MSDNC's hardball. it might have been ralph maddow.
anyway...
that was pretty cool.
The Daily Caller is taking the rare step of publishing this anonymous op-ed at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose career would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers. We invite you to submit a question about the essay or our vetting process here.
As one of the senior officials working without a paycheck, a few words of advice for the president’s next move at shuttered government agencies: lock the doors, sell the furniture, and cut them down.
Federal employees are starting to feel the strain of the shutdown. I am one of them. But for the sake of our nation, I hope it lasts a very long time, till the government is changed and can never return to its previous form.
The lapse in appropriations is more than a battle over a wall. It is an opportunity to strip wasteful government agencies for good.
On an average day, roughly 15 percent of the employees around me are exceptional patriots serving their country. I wish I could give competitive salaries to them and no one else. But 80 percent feel no pressure to produce results. If they don’t feel like doing what they are told, they don’t.
Why would they? We can’t fire them. They avoid attention, plan their weekend, schedule vacation, their second job, their next position — some do this in the same position for more than a decade.
They do nothing that warrants punishment and nothing of external value. That is their workday: errands for the sake of errands — administering, refining, following and collaborating on process. “Process is your friend” is what delusional civil servants tell themselves. Even senior officials must gain approval from every rank across their department, other agencies and work units for basic administrative chores.
Process is what we serve, process keeps us safe, process is our core value. It takes a lot of people to maintain the process. Process provides jobs. In fact, there are process experts and certified process managers who protect the process. Then there are the 5 percent with moxy (career managers). At any given time they can change, clarify or add to the process — even to distort or block policy counsel for the president.
Saboteurs peddling opinion as research, tasking their staff on pet projects or pitching wasteful grants to their friends. Most of my career colleagues actively work against the president’s agenda. This means I typically spend about 15 percent of my time on the president’s agenda and 85 percent of my time trying to stop sabotage, and we have no power to get rid of them. Until the shutdown.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/14/smoke-out-resistance/
One hundred years after U.S. soldiers killed and maimed hundreds of Sioux men, women and children at the Wounded Knee massacre, Congress formally apologized in 1990 by expressing its “deep regret on behalf of the United States.”
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If Elizabeth Warren, often referred to by me as Pocahontas, did this commercial from Bighorn or Wounded Knee instead of her kitchen, with her husband dressed in full Indian garb, it would have been a smash!
Rat...
Oddly, MSNBC mentioned my blog a lot. I used to get hits from the recap of "Coast to Coast" with Ron Reagan Jr whenever a post was mentioned during a segment they had dedicated to the "blogosphere". I think the co-host was Monica Crowley.
Whenever I would get a spike in traffic and check to see why. Sometimes it was Coast To Coast, sometimes I was linked on RCP, and I also use to get linked on a similar RCP like blog run by Patrick Ruffini that just linked relevant blog posts.
The good old blogosphere days!
BTW since decided to close the blog, you're numbers have never recovered.
You pretty much single handedly turned this from a relevant political blog, to a political-hack shit show when you choose to close out alternative options into a cultist dog show to worship Donald J. Trump.
Your numbers have never recovered, nor will they ever.
Roger are you suing CHT?
Like you sued me twice ?
Just read this.
" when liberals get butt hurt they threaten to move to Canada, never Mexico, even they know it is a "Shithole"."
Sure Rog...
So in your head, this blog was doing just great prior to Trump getting elected?
Sort of like how you don't see children being raped as a problem that we should try to solve, huh?
The good old blogosphere days!
yep! until the shit-fingered alky was given front page privileges.
Ron: Whether or not it’s the right strategy, Dean’s plan to fire up the base is certainly having an impact, especially when you look at what some of the liberal bloggers are saying.The blogger at bluebus.org says “Give ‘em hell Howard!” She writes that Dean is doing the right thing, and that it’s about time that control of the Democratic Party is returned.
In fact, it’s pretty hard to find a liberal blogger out there with anything negative to say about Howard Dean. The blog coldheartedtruth.com says,“There’s still plenty of support for what Dean is saying.” According to that blog, “This is exactly the sort of backbone loyal Democrats want from their party leaders.”
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8047774/ns/msnbc/t/talking-about-gitmo/#.XD0C51VKiM8
good job alky, you fucking asshole.
"Mitt Romney gets his first 2020 pres. Endorsement . Harry ried."
Oh boy.
"So you keep referring to WP as if his decision to creep off elsewhere is some big deal ..."
I don't bother with you because the blogs and comments are a complete crap-fest. The BEST notion on your page is the idea that Trump's Shutdown is intended to "scale back" government agencies, but even that only goes about a tenth of the way to the truth. And it's utterly stupid to think of it as a "clever solution".
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