Keep in mind that the President's tweet in question came out the morning of Sept 1
So (below) would have been the mapping of what specific areas that the NOAA believed would be ultimately affected by the hurricane at the time the President would have sent the tweet. At the time the hurricane was still category 4-5 and we had no idea what it could do.
For the Birmingham affiliated National weather forecast to suggest at this time that Alabama was not going to feel any impact from the Hurricane does actually fly in the face of what was being stated by the NOAA the night before. There were parts of Alabama that would be outside of the impact, but there would have been other parts (specifically those above the Florida panhandle) that certainly could have felt the effects.
To be clear, that affiliate stated in absolute terms that Alabama would not be impacted at all? But it's Trump that the media is attempting to chastise for being wrong, and the NOAA whom they are upset with for standing behind their reporting.
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This will guarantee Hurricane madness for another day.
Denny will look at the evidence and still say Trump was wrong. Just watch.
CH is right, this is the most insane TDS episode ever.
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How very, very true. But not in the way Ch means it.
Alabama might have been gotten a little rain. None of them showed that Alabama would have been hit by the storm center, where the winds would have been devastating.
But the President was clearly wrong about the impact of the hurricane eye on Alabama.
Your getting worse than the President and his obsession against the media and the Democratic party.
China’s Trade With U.S. Shrinks
Associated Press: “China’s trade with the United States is falling as the two sides prepare for negotiations with no signs of progress toward ending a tariff war that threatens global economic growth. Imports of American goods tumbled 22% in August from a year earlier to $10.3 billion, customs data showed Sunday. Exports to the United States, China’s biggest market, sank 16% to $44.4 billion.”
Manufacturers Invest Less as Trade War Continues
Wall Street Journal: “U.S. manufacturers are investing less in their factories and workforces as the trade dispute with China makes it more difficult for executives to anticipate costs and demand. The shifting contours of the tariffs that the U.S. and China have applied to each other’s goods are prompting some companies to put business plans on hold. Others are cutting back investments as trade volumes and economic growth slow around the world.
“These companies are buying fewer machines for their factory floors and shortening shifts. The knock-on effect means lower sales for those suppliers and less pay for workers, contributing to slower U.S. economic growth.”
Trump Will Visit Baltimore This Week
Just weeks after lambasting Baltimore as a “disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess,” President Trump will visit the Maryland city to huddle with congressional Republicans — a gathering that could draw local protests and reignite an ugly feud between the White House and the black-majority locality, the Washington Post reports.
The August 31st didn't show that the eye of the hurricane hitting Alabama. That's the one you have been fixated on. The sharpie President was lying when he used the sharpie to draw the lines on the map.
Your own pictures showed you were wrong.
He didn't say the eye you dumb fuck. Far more than the eye gets the storm.
https://www.madmagazine.com/sites/default/files/imce/2014/06-JUN/MAD-Magazine-Trading-Private-Bergdahl_538e1730c295a6.07331124.jpg
Alabama might have been gotten a little rain. None of them showed that Alabama would have been hit by the storm center, where the winds would have been devastating.
You don't have to have the center of the storm to pass over you to get damaging winds shit for brains.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
The August 31st didn't show that the eye of the hurricane hitting Alabama. That's the one you have been fixated on. The sharpie President was lying when he used the sharpie to draw the lines on the map.
you're a liar, alky.
the pics of trump and his sharpie are public. trump never projected the eye of the storm to reach alabama. only the western edge.
furthermore, he erred on the side of caution, you dumb fuck. you fucking assholes are going apeshit because trump tried to HELP people.
that's beyond fucked up. that's borderline criminally insane.
no wonder mail order dumped your psycho ass. she probably feared for her life.
Roger
The President didn't state anything specific about Alabama. He provided a list of all the states that could potentially be affected by the Hurricane and stated that it might be much worse than they had been thinking because the Hurricane had reignited into a category 5 again. Obviously it petered out and caused much less damage along the eastern coast.
But if (at the time of Trump's tweet) Alabama was "potentially" going to feel the effects of the storm, then why would you "exclude" it from the list?
Please explain why you would exclude them?
Do so in a logical manner that takes into account that the NOAA still thought there was a real chance that they would get hit with at least the outer portions of the storm?
I live in Minnesota where we have confirmed tornado touchdowns, tornado warnings, and tornado watches. Just like we have thunderstorm warnings and watches. We would never get upset at the local news if they suggested that the watch pushed into a county that wasn't thought to be at the "eye" of the potential storms.
Your explanation now (that Alabama wasn't in the eye) is downright silly, because neither the NOAA or Trump claimed that Alabama was going to see the "eye of the storm"... because "eyes of a hurricane" are primarily offshore since a hurricane is by nature a storm at sea.
Just weeks after lambasting Baltimore as a “disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess,” President Trump
You know who agrees with him James? The people who have to live in that "disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess,” And they are grateful for Trump putting a spotlight on their problems and embarrassing the state and local leaders as well as their Congressional representatives to get off their ass and do something.
I live in Minnesota where we have confirmed tornado touchdowns, tornado warnings, and tornado watches. Just like we have thunderstorm warnings and watches. We would never get upset at the local news if they suggested that the watch pushed into a county that wasn't thought to be at the "eye" of the potential storms.
when i lived in olathe kansas on more than one occasion the tornado sirens would blow only to have the storm go around us and not hit us directly.
using 'alky logic' we should've found the person responsible for blowing the sirens and had his or her ass drawn, quartered, fired, and publicly humiliated.
California open records confirm mail ordered had him evicted and had a restraining order which is still enforce.
"no wonder mail order dumped your psycho ass. she probably feared for her life."
Visual evidence put in front of the Three Socialist Stooges of CHT and they are blinded by hate.
Told you it would be a parade of invincible ignorance from Denny, Roger, James and the rest of the TDS infected psychos.
It is on thing to debate opinions, but CHT laid out visual indisputable fact .
The Three Socialist Stooges of CHT have Bidenidess .
"Biden : 'We choose truth over facts'
NOAA staff warned in Sept. 1 directive against contradicting Trump
NEARLY A WEEK BEFORE the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration publicly backed President Trump over its own scientists, a top NOAA official WARNED ITS STAFF AGAINST CONTRADICTING THE PRESIDENT.
In an agencywide directive sent Sept. 1 to National Weather Service personnel, HOURS AFTER TRUMP ASSERTED, WITH NO EVIDENCE, THAT ALABAMA “WOULD MOST LIKELY BE HIT (much) harder than anticipated,” staff was told to “only stick with official National Hurricane Center forecasts if questions arise from some national level social media posts which hit the news this afternoon.”
They were also told not to “provide any opinion,” according to a copy of the email obtained by The Washington Post.
A NOAA meteorologist who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution said the note, understood internally to be referring to Trump, came after the National Weather Service office in Birmingham contradicted Trump by tweeting Alabama would “NOT see any impacts from the hurricane.”
The Birmingham office sent the tweet after receiving a flurry of phone calls from concerned residents following Trump’s message.
The agency sent a similar message warning scientists and meteorologists not to speak out on Sept. 4, after Trump showed a hurricane map from Aug. 29 modified with a hand-drawn, half-circle in black Sharpie around Alabama.
“This is the first time I’ve felt pressure from above to not say what truly is the forecast,” the meteorologist said. “It’s hard for me to wrap my head around. One of the things we train on is to dispel inaccurate rumors and ultimately that is what was occurring — ultimately what the Alabama office did is provide a forecast with their tweet, that is what they get paid to do.”
An NWS spokesperson said, “NWS leadership sent this guidance to field staff so they (and the entire agency) could maintain operational focus on Dorian and other severe weather hazards without distraction.”
Late Friday afternoon, NOAA officials further angered scientists within and beyond the agency by releasing a statement, attributed to an unnamed agency spokesperson, supporting Trump’s claims on Alabama and chastising the agency’s Birmingham meteorologists for speaking in absolutes.
That statement set off a firestorm among scientists, who attacked NOAA officials for bending to Trump’s will.
Alabama had never been included in hurricane advisories and Trump's information, based on less authoritative graphics than an official forecast, was outdated even at the time.
In the tempestuous aftermath, some meteorologists spoke on social media of protesting when the acting NOAA chief, Neil Jacobs , is scheduled to speak at a National Weather Association meeting Tuesday — in Huntsville, Alabama.
Former officials saw a political hand at work in NOAA's statement disavowing the Birmingham tweet. The statement was issued by an anonymous "spokesperson," a departure from the norm for federal agencies that employ people to speak for them by name.
"This falls into such uncharted territory," said W. Craig Fugate, who was Florida emergency management chief under Republican Gov. Jeb Bush and director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency under Democratic President Barack Obama. "You have science organizations putting out statements against their own offices. For the life of me I don't think I would have ever faced this under President Obama or Governor Bush."
Jane Lubchenco, NOAA administrator during the Obama administration said: "It is truly sad to see political appointees undermining the superb, life-saving work of NOAA's talented and dedicated career servants. Scientific integrity at a science agency matters."
The White House declined to comment Saturday when asked if it had directed NOAA to release the statement. NOAA officials also didn't respond to requests for comment. After spending the morning at his Virginia golf club, Trump tweeted that he'd like to move on from the matter but the news media "won't leave it alone."
In an effort to address the wounds, leaders at the National Weather Service on Saturday sent a memo to employees praising their work and asserting that "we continue to embrace and uphold the essential integrity of the entire forecast process as it was applied by ALL NWS offices," an emphasis no doubt directed at forecasters chastised by the NOAA statement.
Retired Adm. David Titley, former NOAA operations chief during the Obama administration and a former meteorology professor at Pennsylvania State University said NOAA's leadership showed "moral cowardice" and officials should have resigned instead of issuing the statement. Joe Friday said he would have quit had he been in top officials' shoes.
Titley said the episode might feed distrust of forecasts that help people make life-or-death decisions whether to evacuate.
"For people who look for excuses not to take action when their lives or property are threatened ... I think this can potentially feed that," Titley said.
Former NOAA deputy administration Monica Medina, who served in the Obama and Clinton administrations, said "it will make us less safe as a country."
And Justin Kenney, who headed the agency's communications in the Obama administration, said "by politicizing weather forecasts, the president ... puts more people — including first responders — in harm's way."
Bill Read, who became director of the National Hurricane Center director during the Republican George W. Bush administration, said on Facebook the NOAA statement showed either an embarrassing lack of understanding of forecasting or "a lack of courage on their part by not supporting the people in the field who are actually doing the work. Heartbreaking."
A retired chief of the center's hurricane forecasting desk, James Franklin, said on Twitter that the NOAA statement had thrown the Birmingham office "under the bus" — a phrase several ex-officials used. He said the Birmingham office's tweet was "spot-on and an appropriate response to the President's misleading tweet that morning."
The American Meteorological Society said NOAA's criticism of the Birmingham office was unwarranted and the forecasters "should have been commended for their quick action based on science in clearly communicating the lack of threat to the citizens of Alabama."
Last Sunday, Trump tweeted : "In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated. Looking like one of the largest hurricanes ever. Already category 5."
At the time, the hurricane center's forecast path — including a large cone of uncertainty — did not go farther west than the eastern third of Georgia.
The weather service in Birmingham quickly followed up with its tweet, which one meteorologist there said was prompted by residents' concerns about what to do. It said: "Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east."
NOAA verified that day that the "current forecast path of Dorian does not include Alabama" and an agency spokesman, Christopher Vaccaro, put his name to that.
NOAA's disavowal of the Birmingham tweet came late Friday. It said its forecasters "spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time."
The highest percentage that tropical force storm winds — not stronger hurricane-force winds — would hit somewhere in Alabama was 11%, according to hurricane center charts, and the chances were briefly between 20% and 30% according to a graphic that was not a forecast and that was outdated by the time of Trump's warning.
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Associated Press writer Jonathan Lemire contributed to this report.
Sept 1st and Sept 4th too, eh?
Knee slapping hilarious.
Myballs said...
He didn't say the eye you dumb fuck. Far more than the eye gets the storm.
Exactly his tweet never mentioned the eye, roger intentionally lies or is stupid, his choice
The highest percentage that tropical force storm winds — not stronger hurricane-force winds — would hit somewhere in Alabama was 11%, according to hurricane center charts, and the chances were briefly between 20% and 30% according to a graphic that was not a forecast and that was outdated by the time of Trump's warning.
The President is a compulsive liar and he has captured your mind Scott.
After spending the morning at his Virginia golf club, Trump tweeted that he'd like to move on from the matter but the news media "won't leave it alone."
Yeah. They keep telling the truth.
Bill Read, who became director of the National Hurricane Center director during the Republican George W. Bush administration, said on Facebook the NOAA statement showed either an embarrassing lack of understanding of forecasting or "a lack of courage on their part by not supporting the people in the field who are actually doing the work. Heartbreaking."
So Roger...
Let's just agree that there was an between a 10-30% chance that Alabama would get hit with at least some of the effects of the Hurricane?
Why would you exclude that in talking about those affected?
Isn't it also factually wrong for the Birmingham Weather station to provide a statement that said that there was "no chance" that Alabama would be affected?
The reality is simple here Roger. I provided you with the graphic that the NOAA would have been providing to the President.
Rather than acknowledge that graphic (because you are suffering from extreme cognitive dissonance) you instead resort to offering more C&P.
When you you going to get it through your feeble head that "I" do not garner my information from reading the media? ONLY A FUCKING IDIOT WOULD DO THAT!!!
I went directly to the NOAA and found the information that they posted just hours before Trump's tweet.
So I couldn't care less what someone opines. The fact is the fact is the fact is the fact. No amount of C&P will alter that.
Blowing harder than Dorian
Oh wait...
Sorry Roger.
I forgot. The entire NOAA is part of this giant conspiracy.
Let me ask you this... Are the "Russians" involved as well?
CHT it worked, all Three Socialist Stooges of CHT are chasing shadows.
The funniest thing Roger said was that the graphic was "less authoritative" than the advisories.
He sure is reaching. That was a real knee slapped.
Continue to fall in lockstep behind your Fuehrer.
Heil Trump! Sieg heil! Heil Trump! Sieg heil!
He didn't say the eye you dumb fuck. Far more than the eye gets the storm.
Exactly his tweet never mentioned the eye, roger intentionally lies or is stupid, his choice
Having lived through a few of these storms, I can tell you from personal experience that dangerous winds start a long time before the eye of the storm passes by. And they stay a long time after the storm passes.
It's particularly scary for the elderly and people with chronic health problems. Once tropical storm force winds come, EMT services are halted and they are not resumed until the winds abate.
So if you have a heart attack during the storm you are SOL.
James, just saying "I surrender" would have been sufficient.
Sorry James.
Falling in line with the NOAA, which i think is a better position than demanding they are part of a conspiracy.
And the only nazi-like actions are by the pederast, liver and fatty in their Goebbleseaque attempt to peddle lies long enough to become truth
Sorry CH....you proved him correct before the tweet in question!!!!!!....why do you think you proved anything he said???? Instead of posting Bullshit....Post the reason Trump put up a fake map showing the cone in a sharpie???? Answer because that showed his point and not the NWS forecast which you did not POST.....God you are a fucking asshole!!
That's all James can do since he can't ague on the facts.
Another interesting tidbit. Around September 1 the hurricane reports on CNN included Alabama in the list of states along with Florida and Georgia.
So basically they are trying to mock Trump for something they themselves reported. If it was anyone other than CNN they would be red face with embarrassment.
Ague = Argue
Post the reason Trump put up a fake map showing the cone in a sharpie????
Denny has only been told again a thousand times but stupid is as stupid does.
Hey dumb fuck Lil Scotty.....wind speed probabilities for dorian for Sept 1, before the stupid fucking tweet....Not a pretty graphic, but probabilities of tropical force winds for key locations....Even you will not no ALABAMA IMPACT!!!!!! Dumb fucker....been doing this a lot longer than you!!!!
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2019/al05/al052019.wndprb.031.shtml?
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2019/al05/al052019.wndprb.032.shtml?
Just like you have posted who is going to pay for the wall or admit your .6% was bullshit.....Have not seen a logical explanation for trumps lie yet, you dumb fuck...
Title said the episode might feed distrust of forecasts that help people make life-or-death decisions whether to evacuate.
"For people who look for excuses not to take action when their lives or property are threatened ... I think this can potentially feed that," Titley said
Well in this case there were forecasters who told people "Not to Worry:" and that there "was no chance they would be affected" when clearly at the time there was a very real possibility.
Mind you this is Alabama where manufacture and wood frame homes are far more common that concrete block homes so even tropical storm force winds is reason enough to evacuate.
Hey Idiot Denny.
I don't give a rip about Trump's map. It's red herring and completely irrelevant to whether or not the NOAA provided the information
Their map proves that they did.
https://mcgregorisles.com/hurricane-dorian-wind-speed-probabilities-number-30/
The # 30 probability.....on 8/31 Lil Scotty....ain't no fucking Alabama impact....once again proving you did not provide the whole fucking story, just the part that supported trump to be a fucking LIAR!!!!!!
Yes It does.
I don't give a rip about Trump's map. It's red herring and completely irrelevant t
AND YOU DON"T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE TRUTH EITHER!!!!!! Trump is a pathological liar and you buy everything he says even when the data says you both are full of shit!!!! Dumb fuck...I've posted the wind speed probabilities right up to to the tweet....Both show trump to have lied.... I WIN and you LOST AGAIN!!!!
Montgomery and Mobile were Included
Weather Alert: Alabama is experiencing winds up to 2 MPH, and over a 1/4 inch of rain is expected. One hat has already been lost due to gusts.
Send thoughts, prayers and sharpies!!!
Oh I forgot....Thanx for playing Lil Scotty....!!!!
Even the same map from Sept 2nd showed parts of Alabama in the potential crosshairs of the storm.
The fact that it doesnt list any cities in Alabama means as much as the fact the fact that it doesnt mention any number of specific cities in Florida.
Alabama doesn't exactly have many population centers over by the panhandle.
That being said it does include Panama citie which is about 50 miles from the Alabama border. For a storm that was about 150 miles wide, that's pretty gutsy to say nobody worry, you're all safe.
Idiots.
Montgomery and Mobile were Included
Not in advisory #30 cramps.....which is hours after the one you linked. Suggest you look at this you dumb fuck!!!!!
https://mcgregorisles.com/hurricane-dorian-wind-speed-probabilities-number-30/
That being said it does include Panama city which is about 50 miles from the Alabama border.
BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! Sounds like the Georgia Gulf coast you went ape shit over you dumb fuck...Is Panama City in Alabama???? IOW....not even a good try....you lose again!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLO And if pigs could fly, CH!!! Stop embarrassing yourself, it is irrefutable you and trump are full of shit!!!!!!! This is what I have said all along....maybe you can man up and admit it!!!! BTW Lil Scotty.....10 miles difference gave you the total destruction of Homestead Fl and Miami having virtually no damage....IOW's even you only 50 just shows how naive you are!!!!
Florida.
Alabama doesn't exactly have many population centers over by the panhandle.
Your graphic abilities suck, lil scotty....MOBILE is a large city right on the Fl border.....BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Mobile is on in the far west coastal area closer to the border of Mississippi.
You can argue till you are blue in the face, the NOAA says you are wrong.
Who should we trust to interpret their own analysis? Dipshit media people or those who run the agency.
Mobile is on in the far west coastal area closer to the border of Mississippi.
It's only 40 miles from floriduh dumbass!!!!
You can argue till you are blue in the face, the NOAA says you are wrong.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!1 The data proves them and trump wrong their weasel word unsigned POS said zero!!!! LOLOLOLOL
pos
Sorry Denny
Cognitive dissonance allows you to ignore the obvious and double down on being wrong.
And Denny surrenders.
This is always the part I enjoy .... The two biggest mouth assholes again realize they got trolled by trump lies and slink away never to admit they were wrong again....Thanx for the memories Lil Scotty, maybe one day you will realize who has the superior mind when it comes to science and facts.....BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Cognitive dissonance allows you to ignore the obvious and double down on being wrong.
The facts don't support you or NOAA and Lil Scotty brings out the dissonance card again....Proving you lost BWAAAAAAAA!!! Gotcha sport....facts don't lie, only you and trump do!!!!
It's fun watching Denny diss NOAA as an agency not to be trusted after years of using them as an authority on global warming.
It just makes you laugh out loud. +
Mobile is on in the far west coastal area closer to the border of Mississippi.
It's only 40 miles from floriduh dumbass!!!!
And your point is?
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Weather Alert: Alabama is experiencing winds up to 2 MPH, and over a 1/4 inch of rain is expected.
And Roger surrenders.
Sucks when the facts aren't your side doesn't it Roger?
Especially when you have made an ass of yourself all afternoon.
Good Point Common!
Your reaction Denny?
If we cannot trust the NOAA anymore, then doesn't that shoot a whole bunch of serious holes in your Global Warming theories, since they are the US Government authority on Climate change?
I guess now that you are sure that the NOAA is capable of engaging in wild conspiracy theories on something as silly as which states should or shouldn't be included on a warning...
Certainly they cannot be trusted for large issues such as Climate Change.
Wouldn't you agree?
So according to you... the NOAA should be trusted no more on Climate Change than on whether or not they were giving a factual statement on their website regarding Hurricane Dorian. Which in your mind is "zero".
So I guess you will be willing to now discount anything they say on Climate Change as well as just a "conspiracy"!
Being anti-NOAA is quite literally anti-science!!!
Way to go Denny... burned yourself on this one!
You
Are
ANTI-SCIENCE!!!!!
All because you hate Trump!!!! LOL!!!
My task is done here.
The next time river waters rise, or wildfires rage, or hurricanes menace, will there be a kernel of doubt in some people’s heads, a seed sown by the president himself?
This is what becomes of a society governed by a man who has no regard for truth: The truth doesn’t survive without injury. And what price society will pay for conservatives watching in snide amusement as common truth is decimated is yet to be known.
They are too busy reveling in the fact that liberals find Trump’s behavior maddening, a fact that they find titillating. Aka TDS
This should be partisan. Maps shouldn’t be made to lie, not even for a president.
Send thoughts, prayers and sharpies!!!
Get help immediately.
. WINNING.
TRUMP 2020
You are anti-science on many issues because you hate liberals. You use that to justify anything the President says or does.
and the alky has been reduced to plagiarizing charles blow-hard from the ny times.
well played, alky.
well played.
That’s what made Trump’s marked-on map such a blasphemy: It attacked, on a fundamental level, truth, science and public trust. It wasn’t just a defacement of a public document, it was a defilement of a sacred trust.
Also, if you’re going to alter the map, is it too much to ask you to show some effort? But, I guess slapdash and tacky is the brand. I rescind the question.
The next time river waters rise, or wildfires rage, or hurricanes menace, will there be a kernel of doubt in some people’s heads, a seed sown by the president himself?
This is what becomes of a society governed by a man who has no regard for truth: The truth doesn’t survive without injury. And what price society will pay for conservatives watching in snide amusement as common truth is decimated is yet to be known.
They are too busy reveling in the fact that liberals find Trump’s behavior maddening, a fact that they find titillating.
This should be partisan. Maps shouldn’t be made to lie, not even for a president.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/08/opinion/trump-hurricane-map.html?login=smartlock&auth=login-smartlock
Blogger Roger Amick said...
You are anti-science on many issues because you hate liberals. You use that to justify anything the President says or does.
psychologically projecting again, i see.
since you run with the crowd that would have us believe there are 57 genders instead of only two, you might want to ease up on that 'party of science' bullshit alky.
and your irrational seething hatred of all things trump drives you to oppose the man on every measure at every level. trump has presided over the best economy of your entire pathetic life, and you sit there alone, evicted and under a restraining order.
normal people have enjoyed the prosperity and have capitalized on it, but not you. no, you let a political event drive you to full retard. and now your life has been reduced to a puddle of runny shit.
science alky? what the fuck do you know from science? early estimates had dorian going off in any one of up to a dozen different directions. and so your president errs on the side of caution and warns more, not fewer people potentially in it's path. and that's all the signal your TDS needed to get you seeing red and flailing around like you're having a fucking grand mal seizure.
You are anti-science on many issues because you hate liberals. You use that to justify anything the President says or does
Says the man who diss NOAA because they happen to back up Trump with scientific facts.
Says the man who diss NOAA because they happen to back up
NOAA did not diss or call the NWS Al wrong.....their comment was about absolutes like you and Lil Scotty are absolutely full of shit!!!! The facts are clearly laid out in the wind speed probabilities of 9-1,,,,,no call out of alabama any where.....nothing to interpret asshole....it is black and white!!!!! BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!
Keep digging Denny!!
BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!! You lost fucking loser!!!!!
Again ducking facts and replacing it with trumps old fat white asshole as gospel!!!!! Keep lying douche nozzle!!!! It is what you do best!!!!! I am sure you can link out an Official forecast on 9-1 proving me wrong like i have proven you to be!!!!!!!
Roger
The map in question was published by the NOAA.
The fact that you would trust a map published by then NYT over that of the NOAA is ironic, considering how much "climate change" true believers rely on the NOAA for their arguments.
But let's be fair. This argument is simply stupid and it is 99.99% an "I hate Trump" argument at this point. We are down to arguing about which map the President last saw (or should have last saw) when he made his tweet...
Which if we are being honest, shouldn't really matter anyways. The fact is (and nobody can dispute this) that Alabama was shown as being well within the range of the storm for quite a while. Even if the tweet included Alabama when that state had passed their most threatening time period, there is still nothing wrong with including the State in the warning.
Literally nothing at all. The fact you are making such a bfd out of it is indicative of how Trump "drives you crazy". Any other President included Alabama under the same circumstances and nobody would have said boo. Most certainly a subsidiary weather service would not have gone out of their way to contradict the NOAA in order to contradict the President (which is certainly what appears to have happened from a factual standpoint).
But at least we can all agree... it's not anti-science to question the NOAA anymore. It's an argument that Climate Change fanatics have sacrificed to the alter of being fully TDS controlled.
A very interesting read concerning the liar in chief a small excerpt below!!!!
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/donald-trump-not-well/597640/?utm_medium=offsite&utm_source=yahoo&utm_campaign=yahoo-non-hosted&yptr=yahoo
It manifests itself in Trump’s impulsiveness and vindictiveness; his craving for adulation; his misogyny, predatory sexual behavior, and sexualization of his daughters; his open admiration for brutal dictators; his remorselessness; and his lack of empathy and sympathy, including attacking a family whose son died while fighting for this country, mocking a reporter with a disability, and ridiculing a former POW. (When asked about Trump’s feelings for his fellow human beings, Trump’s mentor, the notorious lawyer Roy Cohn, reportedly said, “He pisses ice water.”)
The most recent example is the president’s bizarre fixation on falsely insisting that he was correct to warn that Alabama faced a major risk from Hurricane Dorian, to the point that he doctored a hurricane map with a black sharpie to include the state as being in the path of the storm.
“He's deteriorating in plain sight,” one Republican strategist who is in frequent contact with the White House told Business Insider on Friday. Asked why the president was obsessed with Alabama instead of the states that would actually be affected by the storm, the strategist said, “You should ask a psychiatrist about that; I'm not sure I'm qualified to comment.”
We have repeatedly heard versions of that sentiment over the course of Trump’s presidency. It’s said that speculating on Trump’s mental health is inappropriate and unwise, especially for those who are not formally trained in the fields of psychiatry or psychology.
Any other President included Alabama under the same circumstances and nobody would have said boo.
and if 0linsky had said that the gulf coast of Georgia was threatened, the alky would've given skeets a standing ovation.
But at least we can all agree... it's not anti-science to question the NOAA anymore.
BWAAAAAAAA!!!! You dumb fuck....NOAA is a research arm.....NOT A FUCKING FORECASTER....They did not call NWS wrong did they.....they questioned absolutes!!!! Does that make their unsigned memo anything but a singular opinion trying to help trump???? Their research conclusive shows global warming and their modeling continuously proves to be correct...Only dumb fucks like you who are never wrong are still saying trump was correct....The NHC 9-1 clearly shows no Alabama impact!!!! Nothing to interpret at all you asshole!!!
...one Republican strategist who is in frequent contact with the White House told Business Insider on Friday.
ah yes.
the illustrious and mysterious 'anonymous source' who must remain so because...
...they only exist as a convenient figment of the author's imagination.
Any other President included Alabama under the same circumstances and nobody would have said boo.
Lil scotty doing what he does best.....speaking for others out of his old white ass!!!! BWAAAAAA!!!! And you say that with certainty asshole?????? BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Commmonsense said...
Mobile is on in the far west coastal area closer to the border of Mississippi.
It's only 40 miles from floriduh dumbass!!!!
And your point is?
That is the milage Lil Scotty used when he posted about Panama City being in Alabama!!!! Try to keep up, not a strong suit of yours or the Minnesota asshole!!!
BWAAAAAAAA!!!! You dumb fuck....NOAA is a research arm.....NOT A FUCKING FORECASTER....
And yet they forecast weather events and climate change.
Oh and the NWS is actually part of NOAA.
The National Weather Service (NWS) is an agency of the United States federal government that is tasked with providing weather forecasts, warnings of hazardous weather, and other weather-related products to organizations and the public for the purposes of protection, safety, and general information. It is a part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)branch of the Department of Commerce, and is headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland, within the Washington metropolitan area.[5][6] The agency was known as the United States Weather Bureau from 1890 until it adopted its current name in 1970.
It's kind of silly to refer to them as a separate agency. What we do know is the the National Hurricane Center is also part of NOAA and it is the branch who are experts in hurricane forecast.
So when it comes to forecasting tropical storm events I would tend to rely more on the experts at NHC than the local meteorologist at the weather bureau in Birmingham.
the illustrious and mysterious 'anonymous source' who must remain so because...
Which is exactly what Lil Scotty and cramps embrace when they accept the unsigned memo on NOAA stationary!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAA!!!
She sure has trumps number!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!
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tually part of NOAA.
And they are also a branch of the armed services!!!!! Someone followed orders and wrote the POS and is still hiding you dumb ass fuck....Still don't know what you just proved other than you are a clueless fucking loser!!!!
And yet they forecast weather events and climate change.
What events are those numb nutz???? NHC is in charge of tropical!!!! Climate change is research asshole!!!! Keep proving your asshattery !!!
The Three Socialist Stooges of CHT are Upset this Hurricane did so little damage in the USA
Partly sunny, warm and shaping up to be another fine day. Looks like a good day to pick Basil and make Pesto to freeze for winter.
The NOAA mission dumb fuck cramps ignored....see anything about weather forecasts???? When are you going to learn that you got fucked by trump again?????? BWAAAAAAAAA!!!
he National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA, /ˈnoʊ.ə/ like Noah) is an American scientific agency within the United States Department of Commerce that focuses on the conditions of the oceans, major waterways, and the atmosphere.
on.[7]
The five "fundamental activities" are:
Monitoring and observing Earth systems with instruments and data collection networks.
Understanding and describing Earth systems through research and analysis of that data.
Assessing and predicting the changes of these systems over time.
Engaging, advising, and informing the public and partner organizations with important information.
Managing resources for the betterment of society, economy and environment.[8]
Hey dumb fuck.....millions of damage was done in NC, GA and FL.....what the fuck is wrong with you other than brain damage?????
Actually part of NOAA.
And they are also a branch of the armed services!!!!!
I don't think the department of commerce is part of the armed services.
The NOAA mission dumb fuck cramps ignored....see anything about weather forecasts???
Yes, in these statements:
Monitoring and observing Earth systems with instruments and data collection networks
Assessing and predicting the changes of these systems over time.
Engaging, advising, and informing the public and partner organizations with important information.
Isn't that weather forecasting?
NOAA
"see anything about weather forecasts?"
Yes, in their Mission Goals
"What is the mission of the NOAA?
To understand and predict changes in climate, weather, oceans, and coasts, to share that knowledge and information with others, and to conserve and manage coastal and marine ecosystems and resources. Dedicated to the understanding and stewardship of the environment.
https://www.noaa.gov › about-our-a...
About Our Agency | National Oceanic and Atmospheric ... - NOAA
CS Mrs. Denise knows nothing.
Hurricane madness day 8.
To understand and predict changes in climate, weather, oceans.....that ain't daily as you are trying to prove and cannot!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!! Such a douche nozzle you keep getting beat and keep coming back for another dicking up your ass!!!!
Nice try cramps....they are the science branch, not the weather forecast branch of the Commerce Department....>Ever see a daily weather forecast from NOAA??? I'll give you a fucking hint asshole.....NO!!!!!!!!!!! You know what Mesoscale means???? Suggest you look that term up
Cramps again show us his ignorance with
don't think the department of commerce is part of the armed services.
lly formed in 1970[5] and in 2017 had over 11,000 civilian employees.[3] Its research and operations are further supported by 321 uniformed service members who make up the NOAA Commissioned Corps
A buddy of mine is a pilot for NOAA....Barry Choy.....look him up....he is a commissioned officer!!!!! Dumb fuck
But NOAA is you dumb fuck!!!!!
National Weather Service[edit]
Seal of the National Weather Service
The National Weather Service (NWS) is tasked with providing "weather, hydrologic and climate forecasts and warnings for the United States, its territories, adjacent waters and ocean areas, for the protection of life and property and the enhancement of the national economy." This is done through a collection of national and regional centers, 13 river forecast centers (RFCs), and more than 120 local weather forecast offices (WFOs). They are charged with issuing weather and river forecasts, advisories, watches, and warnings on a daily basis. They issue more than 734,000 weather and 850,000 river forecasts, and more than 45,000 severe weather warnings annually. NOAA data is also relevant to the issues of global warming and ozone depletion.[citation needed]
The NWS operates NEXRAD, a nationwide network of Doppler weather radars which can detect precipitation and their velocities. Many of their products are broadcast on NOAA Weather Radio, a network of radio transmitters that broadcasts weather forecasts, severe weather statements, watches and warnings 24 hours a day.[18]
National Ocean Service[edit]
The National Ocean Service (NOS) focuses on ensuring that ocean and coastal areas are safe, healthy, and productive. NOS scientists, natural resource managers, and specialists serve America by ensuring safe and efficient marine transportation, promoting innovative solutions to protect coastal communities, and conserving marine and coastal places.[citation needed]
The National Ocean Service is composed of eight program offices: the Center for Operational Oceanographic Products and Services,[19] the Coastal Services Center,[20] the National Centers for Coastal Ocean Science,[21] the Office of Coast Survey,[22] the Office of National Geodetic Survey,[23] the Office of National Marine Sanctuaries[24] the Office of Ocean and Coastal Resource Management[25] and the Office of Response and Restoration.[26]
There are two NOS programs, namely the Mussel Watch Contaminant Monitoring Program and the NOAA Integrated Ocean Observing System (IOOS) and two staff offices, the International Program Office and the Management and Budget Office.
Hey Denny...
It was technically the National Hurricane Center that provides this for the NOAA. The NOAA is a branch of the Government that is in control of all of this stuff.
So let me explain this to you like the
feeble minded man you obvious are.
- We had a hurricane
- The National Hurricane Center provides forecasting
- They forecast that Alabama was in the area of concern
- The President included Alabama in a tweet regarding hurricane
- A local affiliate NWF provided a statement in disagreement
- That affiliate did so without consulting the NHC or NOAA
- That affiliate openly admitted it was in response to the tweet
- The NOAA chastised the local affiliate
End of story.
You lose!!!!
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Well Denny...
Only thing that matters is that the NOAA and National Hurricane Center is responsible for briefing the Administration regarding Hurricanes... the National Hurricane Center "IS" part of the National Weather Service.
So the NHC is responsible for briefing the President on hurricane activity... not the Birmingham affiliate NWS outlet.
So what that particular NWS states is irrelevant to what the President is being told by the larger branch of the NWS in charge of Hurricane forecasting.
Moreover, the affiliate NWS made a statement judgement call on the path of a Hurricane WITHOUT consulting the National Hurricane Center.
It was technically the National Hurricane Center that provides this for the NOAA.
And you are categorically full of shit!!!! They both work for the commerce department asshole and publish the NWS hurricane forecasts for local and government planning!!!!! NOAA is research asshole....nothing to do with the NHC except for dropping sondes into hurricanes for NWS models you dumb fucking asshole!!!!
They forecast that Alabama was in the area of concern
-ALABAMA WAS NEVER MENTIONED IN A DISCUSSION OR A FORECAST AS AN AREA OF CONCERN ASSHOLE!!!
The President included Alabama in a tweet regarding hurricane
THE PRESIDENT ACT ON HIS OWN WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE NWS
WANNA KEEP DIGGING LIL SCOTTY??????
Why has President Trump stopped saying Mexico will pay for the wall? It might help keep hurricanes out of Alabama.
Denny, nice new White flag.
CHT your puppetry of the Three Socialist Stooges of CHT is mastery at its finest.
And you are categorically full of shit!!!! They both work for the commerce department asshole and publish the NWS hurricane forecasts for local and government planning!!
THEY SURE DO DENNY!!!
and then the local NWF affiliate published something different without consulting anyone.
This isn't all that difficult Denny.
Well Denny..
Only thing that matters is that the NOAA and National Hurricane Center
NOAA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DAILY PLANNING CALL DONE BY THE NHC!!!! They may participate in mission planning, but the Miami NHC is in complete charge....no one else.....You dumb fuck....Keep making shit up!!!!! That is all you got and I will keep shoving it up your ass!!!!
all on the path of a Hurricane WITHOUT consulting the National Hurricane Center.
BWAAAAAAAAA!!!! They used the NHC forecast you dumb fuck....they have a daily call with NHC and nothing they say about any hurricane goes through the NHC!!!! Dayum you are stupid!!!!
and then the local NWF affiliate published something different without consulting anyone.
Another lie you cannot support you dumb fuck....they restated the NHC forecast.....asshole....sorry sport you lose again!!!
and then the local NWF affiliate published something different without consulting anyone
The latest straw man posted by Lil Scotty trying to save face again by lying and making shit up just like his false Idol trump!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Lil Scotty loses again!!!!!
In regards to Denny's sanity:
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Commonsense said...
In regards to Denny's sanity:
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I was thinking the same thing. Looks like lo iq has upped his game to snatch the TDS crown from roger. working like an obsessed madman. with no iq. it's an epic effort.
ROFLMFAO !!!
But what a beautiful morning it is.
they restated the NHC forecast..
Then why is it such a conspiracy that the NOAA directed all of their employees to specifically stand by the NHC forecast, rather than provide their own opinion?
If the NHC forecast actually contradicted the President rather than contradicting the Birmingham statement... then the anti-Trump media would be happy to listen to all of the NOAA employees repeat the official stance that the President was incorrect.
But alas... that is the problem. The NOAA website specifically reports the NHC information and also provides that information to the President. The NHC information will be the same as the maps I posted, and was in line with what the President tweeted.
You can't have it both ways, Denny!
But we certainly can now conclude that no government weather or climate agency can ever be trusted again... huh? Just have to discount it all. I mean if they cannot get a hurricane correct and provided bad information to the President then certainly we cannot pretend that they know anything about more difficult subjects like "climate change".
Denny, you are simply wrong.
Chief Scientist to Investigate Why Agency Backed Trump
“The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s acting chief scientist said in an email to colleagues Sunday that he is investigating whether the agency’s response to President Trump’s Hurricane Dorian tweets constituted a violation of NOAA policies and ethics,” the Washington Post reports.
“In an email to NOAA staff that was obtained by The Washington Post, the official, Craig McLean, called the agency’s response ‘political’ and a ‘danger to public health and safety.'”
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Oh well, now. THAT investigation is obviously nothing more than purely political.
No, wait. It's actually an investigation into whether what the agency did was purely and unethically political.
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Read it and weep CH
HUNTSVILLE, Ala. (AP) — The head of the National Weather Service issued a strong public defense Monday of forecasters who contradicted President Donald Trump's claim that Hurricane Dorian posed a threat to Alabama as it approached the United States.
Director Louis Uccellini said forecasters in Birmingham did the right thing Sept. 1 when they tried to combat public panic and rumors that Dorian posed a threat to Alabama. It was only later that they found out the source of the mistaken information, he said.
Speaking at a meeting of the National Weather Association, Uccellini said Birmingham forecasters "did what any office would do to protect the public."
"They did that with one thing in mind: public safety," said Uccellini, who prompted a standing ovation from hundreds of forecasters by asking members of the Birmingham weather staff to stand.
Earlier, the president of the 2,100-member association, Paul Schlatter, said any forecast office "would have done the exact same thing" as the Birmingham forecast office.
Trump has defended his tweet about Alabama, and he displayed an altered forecast map in the Oval Office last week in an attempt to make his point. Apparently siding with the president, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration issued an unsigned statement critical of the Birmingham forecasters Friday.
But Alabama had never been included in hurricane advisories and Trump's information, based on less authoritative computer models than an official forecast, was outdated when he sent a tweet saying Alabama could be affected by Dorian.
Discussing the flurry of social media contacts and phone calls that followed Trump's tweet, Uccellini said Birmingham forecasters used "an emphasis they deemed essential to shut down what they thought were rumors" when they posted on social media that Alabama's wasn't at risk.
"Only later, when the retweets and politically based comments started coming to their office, did they learn the sources of this information," he said.
It's too difficult for you.
HUNTSVILLE, Ala. (AP) — The head of the National Weather Service issued a strong public defense Monday of forecasters who contradicted President Donald Trump's claim that Hurricane Dorian posed a threat to Alabama as it approached the United States.
Director Louis Uccellini said forecasters in Birmingham did the right thing Sept. 1 when they tried to combat public panic and rumors that Dorian posed a threat to Alabama. It was only later that they found out the source of the mistaken information, he said.
Speaking at a meeting of the National Weather Association, Uccellini said Birmingham forecasters "did what any office would do to protect the public."
"They did that with one thing in mind: public safety," said Uccellini, who prompted a standing ovation from hundreds of forecasters by asking members of the Birmingham weather staff to stand.
Earlier, the president of the 2,100-member association, Paul Schlatter, said any forecast office "would have done the exact same thing" as the Birmingham forecast office.
Trump has defended his tweet about Alabama, and he displayed an altered forecast map in the Oval Office last week in an attempt to make his point. Apparently siding with the president, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration issued an unsigned statement critical of the Birmingham forecasters Friday.
But Alabama had never been included in hurricane advisories and Trump's information, based on less authoritative computer models than an official forecast, was outdated when he sent a tweet saying Alabama could be affected by Dorian.
Discussing the flurry of social media contacts and phone calls that followed Trump's tweet, Uccellini said Birmingham forecasters used "an emphasis they deemed essential to shut down what they thought were rumors" when they posted on social media that Alabama's wasn't at risk.
"Only later, when the retweets and politically based comments started coming to their office, did they learn the sources of this information," he said.
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