So here are the facts:
- The form has always included the requirement for first hand information
- The form filled out by the whistle blower also had this requirement
- As of 2019, the requirement changed and is no longer being enforced
So, yes, the Office of the Inspector General is admitting that the form requires first hand information, but that they are no longer following the form in those regards. The logic behind this is that the (first hand information) requirement should not be enforced, because the statute itself doesn't specifically require it. In other words, the OIG did (as argued) decide in 2019 to loosen their own internal standards for what constitutes a valid whistle blower complaint.
Now the statement from the OIG obviously defends the actions of the IG. The argument is that even though the complainant did not witness the call or see any of the transcripts of the call, that he/she did have what the IG determined to be some peripheral information that was considered "first hand". Apparently that was enough to allow the IG to determine that the complaint was credible and urgent.
Obviously the complaint itself has been released to the public, and obviously the criticism will continue to be that nothing in the actual complaint provides any of the "first hand" information as generally defined by reasonable people. Whatever "first hand" information must have been something relayed from the complainant to the IG outside of what is in the actual complaint (which obviously complicates this from a PR standpoint).
What we do know is that all of the silly arguments from the left about how this has never been a requirement, and that somehow the "right wing" media had been photo shopping or lying about this has once again blown up in their faces. The requirement has always existed as skeptics argued. The requirement was changed as skeptics argued, and the changes were so recent that the form used by the complainant actually still shows that requirement.
Moreover, it begs the question as to how the actual complainant would have been privy to the idea that his complaint did not have to follow the form? It sounds like much of this was an internal discussion within the Inspector Generals office, rather than something that would have been relayed to the intelligence community as a whole. The whole things still reeks of more anti-Trump "resistance".
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1 – 200 of 213 Newer› Newest»Seems to me that all the Lindsey Graham and trump apologists jumped on the hearsay topic as their only thread of hope.....I doubt the IG ignored anything as you suggest.....typical of conspiracy theorists like yourself and the rest of you trump slurping idiots.....BWAAAAAAAAA!!!! Sad how in this case all the hearsay was verified by trumps own words!!!!
Hey Denny...
Please read the fucking letter from the Office of Inspector General...
The OIG not only admits that the requirement was recently changed, but admits that it was changed so recently that they hadn't even printed new forms.
Those are their own words and their own explanation.
Your TPMs from the left have once again been demolished by the truth.
Poor Ch keeps beating a dead horse.
Of course first-hand information was always required. Both forms made that clear. The whistleblower listed people who had given him first-hand information about how upset they were over what the President had said, and that listing was found to be "credible."
However, the whistleblower was not aware that POMPEIO was one of those who listened in on the conversation, and we apparently now have first-hand information from someone else or from others that makes THAT clear.
"SOMETHING BIG IS UP"
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/-something-big-is-up-state-dept-inspector-general-requests-for-urgent-meeting-70425157528
THIS CAME OUT LAST NIGHT
You keep finding ways to defend the undependable actual words in the conversation with the President of Ukraine. Those are their own words. Not an anonymous source. They were provided by the Trump administration.
Pompeo Admits He Was on Call with Ukraine President
October 2, 2019 at 8:09 am EDT
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo admitted Wednesday that he was on the July 25 phone call in which President Trump asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden, CNN reports.
Said Pompeo: “I was on the phone call.”
Pompeo had previously been coy about his role in the call, giving an evasive answer to ABC News when asked directly about the call last week.
NOW WHY WOULD HE DO THAT? He could easily have said, I myself heard the call and I heard nothing wrong. But he didn't say that.
Wonder why?
Some great reporting is blowing up this "whistleblower" right from the start. Including about that phone call and the form
Too bad none of it is coming from the MSM and the usual suspects.
And since Trump has already been through this once and there is no real indication he has done anything of substance wrong he knows what to do. And he has less "resistance" to fight, though obviously they still exist.
The American people gave the democrats plenty of rope on the Russian HOAX because they weren't sure. They go into this with a completely different mindset. Except those that are democrats.
BETTER START THINKING ABOUT DESERTING TRUMP, REPUBLICANS.
HE'S A SINKING SHIP AND YOU NEED TO SAVE YOUR OWN A**ES.
Odds of Republicans Deserting Trump Are Underrated
Janan Ganesh: “Since the Ukraine scandal emerged, it has been natural to assume total Republican commitment to Mr Trump. Such is the tribalism of a riven nation.
“There is another scenario, though, and it does not stop at one or two Republicans peeling away. Instead, to save itself, the GOP establishment might desert Mr Trump as swiftly and unexpectedly as it bent the knee to him in 2016. Whether this manifests as the Senate supermajority needed for his ousting is still hugely doubtful. But there are other kinds of defiance: a staff exodus from the White House, senatorial refusals to defend him, the turning of implicated parties on one another.
“Skeptics will say this requires the party to wake up from its cringing passivity. But it has been doing that, in fits and starts, for a while now.”
Pompeo Pushed Out Ukraine Envoy to Squash Scandal
Daily Beast: “When Rudy Giuliani appeared on cable news programs last week, he hammered home one talking point over and over again: The State Department knew he was trying to dig up dirt on Joe Biden and his son Hunter.
“Giuliani’s on-air appearances threw the department into a tizzy, forcing Mike Pompeo to try to put a lid on the crisis of confidence bubbling up under him. For Pompeo, solving the problem meant finding someone to blame—and there was only one individual who fit the mold: former U.S. representative for Ukraine negotiations Kurt Volker.
“Several U.S. officials told The Daily Beast the former Ukraine negotiator said openly that he was not ready to leave his position… Volker is set to go to Capitol Hill on Thursday with the backing of A CADRE OF CURRENT AND FORMER DIPLOMATS.”
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OH WOW.
@MZHemingway
Media that pushed on-its-face absurd theory that Trump won the election in 2016 because he was a traitor who colluded with Russians, printing stories based on supposedly rigorous foreign sourcing, now extremely nervous at those stories being looked into by non-Resistance folks.
Also, just fascinating how the same media that were 100% deferential to the so-called Mueller probe, that said any critique of it was a threat to the very rule of law, are now all in on coordinated messaging against an investigation of the collusion conspiracy theory.
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We must be getting RERAL CLOSE to OFFICIAL IG FINDINGS !!! panic city for dems.
TRUMP STANDS BY GUILIANI (LOL)
October 2, 2019 at 8:22 am EDT
Associated Press: “Trump has long measured allies’ loyalty by their willingness to fight for him on TV, and he complained bitterly this week that FEW HAD DONE SO. And those who did, including House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy on CBS’ 60 Minutes, he believed had FLUBBED THEIR APPEARANCES."
FORGIVE ME WHILE I LOL LOL LOL LOL
“Though there has been growing discontent with Giuliani in the West Wing and State Department, where some officials blame him for leading Trump into the Ukraine mess, the president continued to stand by his personal lawyer.”
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Wall Street Journal: “‘The only person that likes Rudy on TV right now is Trump,’ said another person close to the president, adding that Mr. Trump ‘likes people who get on TV and fight for him.’”
"THE ONLY PERSON THAT LIKES RUDY ON TV RIGHT NOW IS TRUMP"
KNEE SLAPPING FUNNY
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL, etc.
Of course first-hand information was always required. Both forms made that clear.
James...
Why are you incapable of reading?
The Office of the IG statement from YESTERDAY - which is embedded in this post for your convenience - states that there is no longer a requirement to have first hand information. The office states that this change took place in 2019, just as critics of all of this argued.
THAT is the issue here James. Why (in 2019) did the OIG decide to lower the standards of a Whistle Blower complaint? The reason why people are questioning all of this... is because THE COMPLAINT WAS MADE PUBLIC.
We can all read the complaint and see that there was no "first hand information" provided in the complaint.
Now Atkinson (and his office) can argue that other first hand material was provided outside of the complaint, but nobody has been made aware of that.
Now Atkinson admits that he:
Received a complaint about a phone call
That the complaint was second hand regarding the call
The transcripts of the call were available to him
He decided against reading the transcripts to verify the complaint
That takes a special kind of incompetence or malfeasance.
LOL
CH'S LATEST ATTEMPT TO DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE IS HILARIOUS
HE SAYS
And now this embarrassment?
Thefederalist.com whistleblower-new-questions
“As part of its preliminary review, the ICIG did not request access to records of the President’s July 25, 2019, call with the Ukrainian President,” Michael Atkinson, the ICIG, wrote. “I decided that access to records of the telephone call was not necessary to make my determination that the complaint relating to the urgent concern ‘appears credible,’”
So the IG never actually bothered to read the transcripts of the call between the two Presidents before making a determination if the allegations regarding that specific call was "credible". That seems like an inconceivable slip up of the highest magnitude. Literally no reason in the world not to review the call to see if it matches your allegations. Not sure if this is just pure incompetence at an extreme level or that Atkinson was just more intent on getting this complaint to Congress (right or wrong) than doing his job.
The fact that the Office of Inspector General is actually defending this nonsense to the public tells me that they either were not really paying attention and are now playing a massive game of CYA, or that there were people in the IG office all the way up to the top that were bound and determined to get this rogue complaint to Congress.
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NO, CH. Sit there like a child while I explain to you that what he was really saying is that the listings given by the whistleblower of people upset by what the President said were so credible that he did not even NEED to see the official transcript (I believe an unofficial one was already available) in order to determine they were, let it be said again, "credible."
See? (Probably not, for you have given your soul to a politician who is not worthy of such a sacrifice.)
So Denny...
Given the choice of:
- Reading the official transcripts (which he had clearance to)
- Taking someone's word about what would be on the transcripts
you are arguing that it's less accurate to read the official transcripts?
Man... there is no fixing stupid!
James...
Why are you incapable of reading?
He obviously never READS anything, he's to busy repeating his lies. Even when he has already been contradicted.
Repeating lies was something just yesterday he said was something Hitler and Goebbels did.
but that was just projection and its really done by the "pastor"
Anyway, if there is no first-hand information in the whistleblower's listing of those who, he said, in his hearing said they had first-hand information of the Presidents malfeasance, then you and Trump have nothing at all to worry about.
Nothing at all.
So stop worrying and frantically tweeting, Mr. President.
Stop worrying and tying yourself up into semantic pretzels, Ch.
This is blowing up faster than anyone could have imagined
Totally different mindset in America.
People were suspicious of Trump going into the Russian HOAX, now they are suspicious of democrats. Rightfully so.
And the Obama "legacy" will replace every crooked politician who ever lived in every history book
"Sept 15th, 2019"
"Depression is real, I have been dealing with it for some time . I have found help. I'd like to see 22 shares" Roger
he got 2 shares.
even his Fackebook friends ignore him
James said...
Anyway, if there is no first-hand information in the whistleblower's listing
That would mean you REPEATEDLY LIED YESTERDAY.
Who did you say that was a tactic of ?
The Democrats are very far over their Skis.
fun to watch
When I say,IF I mean
IF what Ch says is true (which it is not).
How stupid does Cowardly have to show himself to be?
What Republicans Privately Say About Impeachment
October 2, 2019 at 7:01 am EDT
A “very seasoned and well-known GOP operative” emails Playbook:
“GOP lawmakers and operatives are concerned at what appears to be a lack of urgency from the Trump administration in forming an organized, unified response engine to the Democratic impeachment threat. There is either a failure to fully appreciate the gravity of the situation; or an inability to protect the president like they did his Supreme Court nominees with a centralized war room that has credibility with stakeholders across the party.
“Nobody wants to look like Kevin McCarthy did on ‘60 Minutes’ and right now they’ll duck and cover until they’re on firmer footing. The Trump administration has blazed their own communications path up to this point, but there is deep skepticism that the late-night Fox lineup will have any credibility with rank-and-file Republicans that are necessary to prosecute this argument against House Democrats.”
WHAT AN IDIOT THE "pastor" is,
I said "WOULD" and yes it is true
LEARN TO READ and STOP PREACHING
More importantly STOP LYING
what a POS you are
and that's being generous
Why does the goat fucking asshole keep repeating the same thing on all threads???? Could it be senility or the fact he is a worthless piece of shit with nothing to do????????
@MariaBartiromo
Happening now @StateDept secy @SecPompeo just said the democrats called state dept staffers directly & told them not to hire legal counsel. Reminder- it's similar to what they told these 2-& it did not work out well for @carterwpage @GeorgePapa19
ENTRAPMENT,INTIMIDATION and INAPROPRIATE wonder how many of the deep staters will be sitting next to attorneys taking the 5th?
"How stupid does Cowardly" James
You were preaching other about name calling and personal insults.
yet, you do it all of the time.
omg, The Socialist Democrats have set the US Constitution on fire.
"House investigators contacted "State Department employees directly" and told them not to contact State Department lawyers for advice. He said the State Department would "do our Constitutional duty to cooperate" with Congress but wouldn't tolerate "bullying and intimidation."
Personal insults? Kansas Democrat and Cowardly hardly offer anything other than personal insults. All the time. It gets rather boring, actually.
And all you do is spam with shit no reads, pedophile
"House investigators contacted "State Department employees directly" and told them not to contact State Department lawyers for advice. He said the State Department would "do our Constitutional duty to cooperate" with Congress but wouldn't tolerate "bullying and intimidation."
What kind of tactics is this? Next they will have only one-side running the entire show. WHAT THE HELL KIND OF PARTY HAVE THE DEMOCRATS BECOME ?
How can any patriotic American defend this?
Actually, I have been asking Ch some questions he is having a hard time answering. :-)
@kaitlancollins
“I never met Rudy Giuliani – never. And never had any phone calls with him,” Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky says in English during a press conference in Kiev, per @clarissaward.
Undercover Huber
@JohnWHuber
Undercover Huber Retweeted Kaitlan Collins
So the story is that Trump “pressured” Zelenskyy by asking him to talk to Giuliani & Barr, NOT telling them Ukraine aid was suspended, Zelenskyy then NOT talking to either Giuliani or Barr, and Trump restarting that aid anyway. Sure, this makes total sense, really hangs together
“Nobody wants to look like Kevin McCarthy did on ‘60 Minutes"
Boy, is THAT true. All you have to do is look at it and see what deep doo doo the Republican defenders of Trump are in.
Actually, I have been asking Ch some questions he is having a hard time answering. :-)
AN EXAMPLE:
Anyway, if (AS YOU SAY, CH) there is no first-hand information in the whistleblower's listing of those who, he said, in his hearing said they had first-hand information of the President's malfeasance, then you and Trump have nothing at all to worry about.
Nothing at all.
So stop worrying and frantically tweeting AND TWEETING AND TWEETING, Mr. President.
Stop worrying and tying yourself up into semantic pretzels, Ch.
DUDE, CHT works and doesn't make you a priority to be on your beck and call.
WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
Oh, a privileged democrat.
I'm sure he will respond if he wants and in his time.
He's a very stupid, boring, old pedophile
and UNLIKE YOU he has no trouble answering.
But he may just pass over your drivel, most do.
Democrats and their rush to impeach is now affecting the stock market
Very troubling
James, you said you don't insult, yet you do.
James said...
Actually, I have been asking Ch some questions he is having a hard time answering. :-)
AN EXAMPLE:
Anyway, if (AS YOU SAY, CH) there is no first-hand information in the whistleblower's listing of those who, he said, in his hearing said they had first-hand information of the President's malfeasance, then you and Trump have nothing at all to worry about.
Nothing at all.
So stop worrying and frantically tweeting AND TWEETING AND TWEETING, Mr. President.
Stop worrying and tying yourself up into semantic pretzels, Ch.
You idiot, that's not even a question
ROFLMFAO !!!
you are an embarrassment
Cowardly King Obama , the Socialist Democrats want a wall street collapses and pain in the US.
Anyway, if there is no first-hand information in the whistleblower's listing of those who, he said, in his hearing said they had first-hand information of the Presidents malfeasance, then you and Trump have nothing at all to worry about.
I am not worried James..
Not one bit. Because I read the transcript and the complaint myself.
And I completely ignore the pearl clutching, fake feinting, screaming, and hollering from the usual suspects on the left. You know, the ones who think for you!
The GOP raised $115 million dollars last quarter, absolutely dwarfing the money raised by the Democrats... Trump himself raised 15 million in one day which is more than most of the Democrats running for President will raise in a quarter. Moreover, most of the money raised by the Democrats these days are from the candidates are being used to defeat each other. Meanwhile the President continues to build his war chest.
What I would be worried about James... isn't what you "think" you have on Trump. We can already assume that Trump will be "impeached" in the House and subsequently "acquitted" in the Senate by mostly a Party line vote. We can assume that it will be over by New Years...
In many ways it would be the best thing to have happen for Trump. Simply pull of the band aid in a quick jerk, rather than let the Democrats continue to play it out for months and months leading into the election.
Because what will Nadler and Schiff do once impeachment has been voted on and is over? Impeachment II? The public will have none of it!
because then "YOUR" worries start. Whoever the Democratic Candidate is will be barraged by well over a billion dollars of GOP and Trump funding. They will be absolutely ripped apart. Everything from their grade school transcripts to what their college roommates thought of their grooming habits to whatever.
Whoever the Democratic candidate is will be scorched in a manner that no other Democrat has ever been scorched. It's going to be an absolute blood bath. You can count on that!
Then this person can see if they can figure out what Jeb, Marco, Ted, John, Hillary, and the entire MSM couldn't figure out. We will see if they have the secret to dealing with running against Trump.
They've already thrown the kitchen sink, the bathroom sink, and they went to the junkyard and bought a bunch more sinks to toss at Trump. Hollywood access, Russian collusion, Stormy Daniels, Campaign finance, etc... one thing after another. You think this story (Trump talking to Zelensky) is the one that will bring him down?
House Threatens to Subpoena White House Records
October 2, 2019 at 10:28 am EDT
“The House threatened on Wednesday to subpoena the White House if it did not comply by Friday with requests for a broad range of documents related to an alleged scheme to pressure Ukraine into investigating a leading political rival of President Trump,” the New York Times reports.
Said House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings: “I do not take this step lightly. Over the past several weeks, the committees tried several times to obtain voluntary compliance with our requests for documents, but the White House has refused to engage with — or even respond to — the committees.”
Great NEWS FOR THIS REPUBLIC
"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) underwent emergency heart surgery, installing two stents in an artery, and has canceled all campaign events “until further notice,” his campaign announced Wednesday morning."
Not a very sophisticated rant, Ch.
CHT just eviscerated Jane, again.
Pocahountis is in the Drivers Seat of the Socialist Democrats.
CH UN TRUTH SAID: They've already thrown the kitchen sink, the bathroom sink, and they went to the junkyard and bought a bunch more sinks to toss at Trump.
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I guess they found good ole Stormy in one of those sinks. LOL
Oh and James...
You never did answer my questions from the previous thread. You simply ignored them or denied the factual premise of them. So in terms of responding to things, you should probably put up or shut up.
Btw... one of the things I asked you before was why it was that the OIG changed their standards for what should be considered a valid urgent whistle blower complaint.
You argued that they hadn't changed it.
Now that the OIG has actually admitted that they changed it and changed it so recently that the Whistle blower in question actually used an old form with the old guidelines attached...
Are you willing to admit that you were wrong and that the OIG actually "did" change their standards, and that it was changed in 2019?
Are you willing to address why it is that perfectly good standards that had been in play since the law was passed, were somehow tossed aside in 2019?
US House Maxine Water. "Trump will be put in solitary confinement ".
The best the Socialist Democrats have and she is a key member on this not really an impeachment thingy.
Speaker in Name Only Polosi is not going to hold a authorization vote, because if she did it would fail.
In two minutes and 2 seconds
https://www.msnbc.com/hallie-jackson/watch/house-chairs-to-subpoena-white-house-to-turn-over-key-documents-on-ukraine-call-70447173876
The very intolerant left unglued.
"Senator Kamala Harris (D-CA) called on Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey “to do something” about President Donald Trump after he referred to impeachment efforts as “a coup” in a tweet on Tuesday.
Senator Harris is calling for Twitter to silence President Trump after he tweeted that he believes impeachment efforts are actually “a coup” meant to take away the power of the American people, as well as their vote, freedoms, Second Amendment, religion, military, border wall, and God-given rights.
“Hey @jack. Time to do something about this,” tweeted Harris to Dorsey, in an apparent call to ban President Trump from the social media platform over his remarks on Tuesday evening."
poor old cum sponge Camel Toe Harris .
Now that the OIG has actually admitted that they changed it and changed it so recently that the Whistle blower in question actually used an old form with the old guidelines attached...
Are you willing to admit that you were wrong and that the OIG actually "did" change their standards, and that it was changed in 2019?
Are you willing to address why it is that perfectly good standards that had been in play since the law was passed, were somehow tossed aside in 2019?
Well, Ch, I guess you and I read different statements, because what I read indicated that the "change" in wording was only for clarification, and no real change in the substance of what was required had been made. So whether the whistleblower had used the new form or the old form (which he/she did) would make no difference. Also, it was pointed out that even a change in the form would not constitute a change in the law.
No Change in Trump Reelect Prospects
A new Monmouth poll finds recent events have not moved public opinion in either direction on whether President Trump deserves a second term, but his reelection bid remains underwater, with particular signs of weakness among critical voting blocs.
Just under 39% of registered voters feel that Trump should be reelected in 2020, while 57% say it is time to have someone new in the Oval Office.
AMEN TO THAT!!!
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Warren Now Leads Democratic Field
Does Warren Have Room to Grow?
October 2, 2019 at 11:29 am EDT
Nate Cohn: “Elizabeth Warren is gaining. She has breached 20 percent of the vote in recent national surveys and might hold a narrow lead in Iowa and New Hampshire. The prediction markets now consider her a clear favorite to win the nomination. It can be hard to see how her Democratic rivals will attack or stop her.
“But the challenge facing Ms. Warren, if past primaries are any indication, isn’t those rivals. It is whether she will hit a wall: the rank and file of the Democratic primary electorate.”
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Frank talk. At least we will eventually have a candidate with principles.
so Biden is done and so is Bernie.
Shoot Them In the Legs’
October 1, 2019 at 6:20 pm EDT
New York Times: “The Oval Office meeting this past March began, as so many had, with President Trump fuming about migrants. But this time he had a solution. As White House advisers listened astonished, he ordered them to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border with Mexico — by noon the next day.
“The advisers feared the president’s edict would trap American tourists in Mexico, strand children at schools on both sides of the border and create an economic meltdown in two countries. Yet they also knew how much the president’s zeal to stop immigration had sent him lurching for solutions, one more extreme than the next.
“Privately, the president had often talked about fortifying a border wall with a water-filled trench, stocked with snakes or alligators, prompting aides to seek a cost estimate. He wanted the wall electrified, with spikes on top that could pierce human flesh. After publicly suggesting that soldiers shoot migrants if they threw rocks, the president backed off when his staff told him that was illegal. But later in a meeting, aides recalled, he suggested that they shoot migrants in the legs to slow them down. That’s not allowed either, they told him.”
James tell us top 5 issues that you would vote for Warren.
the "pastor" is the Jim Acosta of the CHT blog.
Both are so dumb they question when people don't answer their non-question and get real snitty about it.
Shows what kind of people they are too.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Trump Disputes Report About Border Demands
October 2, 2019 at 11:44 am EDT
President Trump disputed a report that he wanted a border wall with spikes and a moat filled with alligators and snakes at the Mexican border.
Said Trump: “Now the press is trying to sell the fact that I wanted a Moat stuffed with alligators and snakes, with an electrified fence and sharp spikes on top, at our Southern Border. I may be tough on Border Security, but not that tough.”
He added: “The press has gone Crazy. Fake News!”
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So glad to learn that you did not say those things, Mr. President! But why did some of your own people SAY you said them?
Would that also be impeachable? Or how about lying about it if it can be made clear that you DID say those things?
James tell us top 5 issues that you would vote for Warren.
1 Decency
2 Decency
3 Decency
4 Decency
5 Decency
so ya got nada, again.
typical Jane.
Decency may be nada with Trump and you,
not with me.
James, your in your own circle.
enjoy.
@almostjingo
Tweaker Pelosi tried to make a super lame excuse trying to cover her tracks that she’d already heard the #UkraineTranscript the truth is this isn’t a whistleblower it’s an insider threat @JusticeOIG
ANOTHER coup attempt
you're
not your
Adam just Shit on himself.
His standard of Justice. either talk or your guilty.
Putin Jokes Russia Will Meddle In U.S. Election
October 2, 2019 at 11:20 am EDT
Russian President Vladimir Putin “appeared to revel in the ongoing political maelstrom in the U.S., jokingly admitting to plans for future election meddling,” Politico reports.
When asked if Russia would interfere in the 2020 election cycle, Putin leaned into the microphone on stage and mimicked a whisper: “I’m going to tell you a secret. Yes, sure, we’re going to do that. Don’t tell anybody.”
@EmeraldRobinson
The mood of the American press today could best be described as "giddy."
They believe Pelosi & Schiff can impeach Trump by themselves.
When I ask them if two-thirds of the Senate will really vote Trump out, they go blank.
They know less than your 5th grade civics teacher.
@bennyjohnson
Speaker Pelosi just compared impeachment to fighting in the American Revolutionary War.
Why won’t she hold a House Floor Vote on it if there is so much consensus?
I think she must be British
Benny "Why won’t she hold a House Floor Vote on it if there is so much consensus?"
She can't , she doesn't have the votes.
Adam Schiff - issue subpoena to those you want to have Testify. sissy bitch.
Trump is trying hard obstruct justice and the house of Representatives is not going to let him delay the inquiry.
Rep. Adam Schiff, the Democrat leading the House impeachment effort, said Wednesday that any efforts by President Donald Trump and his administration to interfere with their investigation "will be considered as evidence of obstruction of justice."
"We're not fooling around here," Schiff said, at a joint news conference with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. "We don't want this to drag on for months and months, which appears to be the administration's strategy."
Hey dumb as a box of rocks....Rat Hole
S&P 500
2,883.77
-56.48(-1.92%)
Dow 30
26,043.46
-529.58(-1.99%)
More profit taking????? Or is this another sign you and the goat fucker and trump are all whistling past the graveyard??????
Well, Ch, I guess you and I read different statements, because what I read indicated that the "change" in wording was only for clarification, and no real change in the substance of what was required had been made.
I think we are obviously seeing a difference of semantic argument.
They admittedly hired a new "Hotline Program Manager" who apparently spearheaded the change. This manager believed that the forms read as a suggestion that the whistle blower must possess first hand information. But she believed that was an incorrect suggestion (based on the fact that the statute doesn't state as much).
That makes what appears to be a rather far-fetched allegation that the "First hand information" portion of form that had been in use for all those years was just some sort of mistake or misprint. I find that more than just a little bit dubious.
It appears to most people who view this objectively (or even subjectively) that the entire paragraph that stated right up was explaining an internal OIG policy or internal OIG regulation that required it to be first hand information.
So you can choose to believe either of the possibilities.
- That putting the First hand information up front on the form was always just some sort of mistake that didn't "really" mean what it stated and not a single person in the OIG caught this mistake until 2019.
- that it was actually done on purpose because that was the OIG policy.
You can choose to believe what you want. But these are exactly the sort of hard to swallow arguments put forward that make people really really really distrust this sort of thing.
If you at least do not understand why people are distrustful of such a dubious suggestion... then I think you need to go back and read it all yourself (with a slight degree of skepticism).
what a fun day.
Bernie is out.
MIA Biden
Warren is rising
Trump is trying hard obstruct justice and the house of Representatives is not going to let him delay the inquiry.
that's a LIE.
trump has done nothing but cooperate by releasing the transcript. trump has not delayed the inquiry. and the transcript itself does not contain a crime, does not contain a quid pro quo.
schiff's a liar and you're a liar, alky.
in fact, as trump mounts a vigorous defense, that TOO will be lied about and will be decried to be obstruction of justice.
trump needs to follow pompeo's lead and needs to tell every democrat attached to this coup to go fuck themselves.
James said...
you're
not your
Shouldn't you be figuring out how to construct a question before you lecture people about not responding to a non-question and then about the difference between your/you're?
I bet you actually were the repulsive blackboard monitor in grade school. You still are.
Do any of you know what a coup is?
A violent attempt to overturn a government.
trump needs to follow pompeo's lead and needs to tell every democrat attached to this coup to go fuck themselves.
I think the American people will. Hence the nervous and short press conference this morning. Internal polling must be a disaster for the dems.
Do any of you know what a coup is?
It's what all that alcohol did to me.
TO CH ABOVE:
If their explanation is not found to be credible by most people, it would be a major dispute still going on. Most of those who earlier said what you continue to say have dropped it in embarrassment.
You and Trump and maybe a few other diehards seem to be about the only people who are still arguing what you are arguing.
coup - a sudden and decisive change of government illegally or by force coup d'etat, putsch, takeover group action - action taken by a group of people countercoup - a sudden and decisive overthrow of a government that gained power by a coup d'état
But we are now in attempted coup 2.0 try and keep up
Trump and his pathological supporters are trying to object and distract the public. This is a prime example used by the racist rodent bastard.
noun
noun: coup d'état
1.
a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
"he was overthrown in an army coup"
One critical period in Atkinson’s resume, however, has been overlooked—probably intentionally—by his boosters in the media: His work as a top deputy in the Justice Department in 2016 and 2017 during the very same time that the DOJ was investigating Trump campaign aides and, after the election, incoming administration officials. Atkinson worked directly for two figures involved in both the counterintelligence probe into the Trump campaign and the set-up of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn.
In July 2016, the exact month that former FBI Director James Comey officially opened a case against the Trump campaign, Atkinson was named senior counsel to John Carlin, the head of the National Security Division. Carlin was Robert Mueller’s chief of staff when he ran the FBI and was appointed NSD chief by President Obama in 2013.
Carlin’s name has surfaced numerous times in the congressional inquiry into the Trump-Russia collusion hoax. According to closed-door testimony by former FBI lawyer Lisa Page, Carlin regularly was briefed by former deputy FBI Director Andy McCabe on the Trump-Russia collusion probe.
Under questioning by Rep. James Jordan (R-Ohio) last year, one of Carlin’s top aides confirmed that Carlin notified him in August 2016 that the FBI had opened an investigation into the Trump campaign and that a team of NSD officials worked with the FBI on the case.
In his testimony, George Toscas, former deputy attorney general for the NSD, referred to unnamed lawyers who attended various briefings with the FBI in 2016. He did not mention Atkinson’s name—although several names in the transcript are redacted—but it stretches credulity to think that the senior counsel to the division’s chief would have been unaware of such an explosive and unprecedented investigation.
Further, the National Security Division chiefly is responsible for the Justice Department’s oversight of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The NSD “closely coordinates with the FBI and other Intelligence Community agencies on . . . matters relating to FISA and other national security laws.”
That means Carlin’s shop was involved in handling the FISA warrant on Trump campaign associate Carter Page. The original FISA warrant, signed by former FBI Director James Comey and Carlin’s colleague, former deputy attorney general Sally Yates, used the bogus Steele dossier as evidence to obtain the FISA court’s permission to spy on Page for one year. The warrant accused Page of being a foreign agent yet he has never been charged with a crime.
In September 2016, Carlin moderated an NSD event that featured speeches by Comey, former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, former CIA Director John Brennan and White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough. Carlin abruptly resigned shortly thereafter amid controversy related to his handling of FISA material.
Carlin was replaced by Mary McCord: Atkinson stayed on as her senior counsel. A few days after Trump was sworn-in, McCord accompanied Sally Yates to a meeting with White House counsel Don McGahn. The purpose of the meeting was to warn the White House that Mike Flynn may have violated an arcane federal law and was at risk of being “blackmailed” by the Russians.
Coincidentally, both Carlin and McCord have been effusive in their praise of their former counsel. “As soon as I saw that [Atkinson] had recommended it be sent to Congress, that’s all I needed to know it was legit,” McCord told CNN last week. “The mere fact he was not on anyone’s radar is points to the fact that his sense of urgency is credible.”
Atkinson is “someone who is very deliberate, thoughtful and tries to carefully review facts … not someone who seeks attention,” Carlin said in the same article. (Carlin now is a CNBC contributor.)
https://amgreatness.com/2019/09/30/inspector-generals-ties-suggest-ukraine-scandal-is-just-more-collusion-hoax/
A legal investigation into the actions of a sitting President is not a coup.
@GOPLeader
Chairman Adam Schiff has been lying to the American people for years. Now he is so desperate to damage the president that he literally made up a false version of a phone call.
Enough is enough. I have signed a resolution to censure Schiff in the House of Representatives.
not nearly enough
The Deep State conspiracy theory bullshit is all you have.
OK attempted coup 2.0
another blackboard monitor
Desperation defined
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump laced into ramped-up impeachment efforts on Capitol Hill as "BULLSHIT" on Wednesday, as lawmakers signaled that White House refusal to comply with their requests would be used as evidence against him.
“The Do Nothing Democrats should be focused on building up our Country, not wasting everyone’s time and energy on BULLSHIT, which is what they have been doing ever since I got overwhelmingly elected in 2016,” Trump tweeted as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff spoke to reporters on Capitol Hill.
Trump and his pathological supporters are trying to object and distract the public.
yeah, distract the public by providing a complete transcript of the phone call supposedly being declared a crime.
cooperation = "object" er, uh, (obstruct?) and distract.
there's stupid, and then there's ALKY STUPID.
The transcript lacks a critical element needed for impeachment, which is evidence of a quid pro quo. Trump never connects the investigation with the roughly $400 million in military aid. While he discusses the aid, he never suggests he will not send it. That does not mean a case for impeachment or criminal prosecution cannot be made. Unlike the prior impeachable offenses suggested by Democrats, this allegation of self-dealing could be both an impeachable offense and a federal crime, though neither would be easy to prove.
https://jonathanturley.org/2019/09/27/you-want-impeachment-find-a-quip-to-go-with-the-pro-quo/
so make your fucking case for impeachment alky. just stop lying as you do so.
STOP LYING ALKY.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Desperation defined
when all you have is copy/paste, i would completely agree.
STOP LYING ALKY.
@thechrisbuskirk
Democrats’ Ukraine narrative should be understood as a huge effort to distract attention from law enforcement holding people responsible for crimes committed in the perpetration of the Russia hoax. Period. That’s what it’s all about.
When The Big Lie fails, invent a Bigger Lie.
Nick Short retweeted Chris Buskirk
And just when the focus of the investigation was turning towards the CIA....a "CIA whistleblower" emerges right on cue.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
The Deep State conspiracy theory bullshit is all you have.
and LYING is all YOU have...
STOP LYING ALKY
@RepMarkMeadows
One has to wonder why the people who were the loudest in spreading the Russian collusion hoax are now the same people most vehemently opposed to investigating its true origins.
Troubling.
If their explanation is not found to be credible by most people, it would be a major dispute still going on. Most of those who earlier said what you continue to say have dropped it in embarrassment.
Actually James...
Everyone who claims that the condition shown on the form requiring first hand information has been writing about it this morning, claiming vindication from the fact that the Office of the Inspector General was forced to put out an explanation as to why it has changed.
If the OIG hadn't done anything differently or hadn't changed anything. There would be no need to have a multi-page explanation as to what happened, how it happened, and why it happened. They are circling the wagons and coming up with explanations.
Considering the argument had been whether or not the form had actually been changed... what is embarrassing (or should be) are "yeah but" arguments coming out from those who claimed it hadn't been changed, but now are like "yeah" so it was changed "but".
It's just like those people who argued that the President had pressured to withhold Aid in exchange for help investigating Biden, who then turned around when the transcript showed differently and changed their story. Everyone effectively then moved the goal posts closer by claiming that the issue wasn't quid pro quo, but just that he asked.
Which of course is perfectly legal and with Ukraine is actually part of a treaty we have with them in regards to assisting with investigations. As if we are supposed to believe that we created a Treaty in order to agree to how our two Government go about conspiring to break the law.
Roger, Do you still posses your STD Cadillac ?
or in your eviction, divorce loss it too?
how goes your suicidal Depression?
Schiff again said the CIA person will not be named.
Banana Kangaroo court
Schiff has to turn over everything he collects to the President.
He has to by law.
There would be no need to have a multi-page explanation as to what happened, how it happened, and why it happened. They are circling the wagons and coming up with explanations.
the pedophile is just stupid
Cali - people believe what they want to believe.
The idea that this form has been wrong for literally decades and that nobody really caught it until just a few months ago is a perfectly good explanation if all you need is a semi-plausible reason to continue to believe what it is that you want to believe.
From any sort of legal or logical standpoint, the idea of implicating people in wrongdoing by using second hand sources is not part of our American legal system. Hearsay is not an acceptable method of proving something in court and quite literally anything that is considered hearsay is not even allowed to be considered by a Judge or a Jury. No reasonable court would allow it and I promise you that if there is a Senate Trial overseen by Chief Justice Roberts that the use of "hearsay" information from an unidentified witness will not be allowed to even be considered.
Sometimes a Statute is not going to cover every single contingency. The idea in this case as to whether or not the OIG would consider something a valid and urgent control would not be "bound" by a lack of language in the statute is not a very good argument at all. (lots of things are not specifically covered).
But it's obvious that the OIG at least "once did" want all complaints to be first hand complaints, if for no other reason than to provide the proper amount of protection from people misusing it and from possible legal repercussions if someone felt that they were unfairly or illegally targeted for wrong doing from a dubious complaint.
If I was sitting on the jury of a civil trial and an employer was trying to justify using hearsay to discipline or fire an employee, I would very likely stick it to that employer and stick it to them pretty hard!
ROME, Oct 2 (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary Of State Mike Pompeo confirmed on Wednesday that he was on a contested call between U.S. President Donald Trump and Ukraine's leader, saying it was a legitimate conversation that focused on U.S. policy priorities.
Following a whistleblower complaint last week, Democrats are looking into Trump's request to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy during the July 25 phone call to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden. Biden is a leading contender in the Democratic race to run against Republican Trump in the 2020 election.
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo attends a news conference with Italian Foreign Minister Luigi di Maio (not pictured) in Rome, Italy, October 2, 2019. REUTERS/Alberto Lingria
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo attends a news conference with Italian Foreign Minister Luigi di Maio (not pictured) in Rome, Italy, October 2, 2019. REUTERS/Alberto Lingria
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"I was on the phone call," Pompeo told reporters during a visit to Italy, adding that it came within the context of U.S. policymaking, including cutting corruption in the east European state and "taking down the threat Russia poses there in Ukraine". (Reporting by David Brunnstrom; Writing by Crispian Balmer; Editing by Hugh Lawson)
Impeachment is not a criminal trial, with all of the provisions of the constitution in regards to self incrimination. 5th amendment rights don't apply to impeachment.
Roger is back to spamming.
Scum
Hearsay is difficult, but it is often based upon the previous comments by the person in question.
There is evidence of objection of justice by the President, who cannot be indicted.
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"
- Franklin Roosevelt
"Ask not what your country can do for you"
- John F. Kennedy
"Moot stuffed with alligators"
- Donald Trump
Kput'z shut the fuck up.
Stick to the topic instead of making personal attacks.
the incessant spamming by he and Roger to everything that Trump has supposedly done, that falls flat EVERY DAMNED TIME is old.
My patience for their stupidity is gone
What's a moot dumbass
Impeachment is what the House does as a means to determine whether a Trial will be held in the Senate to determine guilt or innocence of the chargers. It's no different than an indictment.
The Senate will hold a legitimate trial (as this is constitutionally a legal process). The Chief Justice will oversee the trial and will rule as any Judge would rule on motions, etc.
Roberts will use legal precedents and treat it like a legal trial. There are no legal precedents for a "political trial" as some on the left would have you believe impeachment is. The idea that impeachment is political is nonsense and an excuse by Democrats to once again "change the rules".
So does anyone actually believe that Roberts (as the trial judge) will allow hearsay evidence from an unidentified witness that will not make himself available to be cross-examined?
C'mon... get serious!
Putin Says He Doesn’t Care If Calls Are Released
October 2, 2019 at 1:52 pm EDT
Russian President Vladimir Putin said that he “would not mind if the White House made public his talks with President Trump at a summit meeting last year, because there was nothing incriminating in their conversations,” the New York Times reports.
“Just five days earlier, Mr. Putin’s spokesman had said the Kremlin would not want records of the two presidents’ talks released. But Mr. Putin, a former K.G.B. spy, said his previous job had taught him that any conversation he had could be published.”
EVEN PUTIN IS BAILING OUT ON TRUMP NOW.
Schiff Got Heads Up on Whistleblower Complaint
October 2, 2019 at 2:06 pm EDT
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) learned about the outlines of a CIA officer’s concerns that President Trump had abused his power days before the officer filed a whistle-blower complaint, the New York Times reports.
“The early account by the future whistle-blower shows how determined he was to make known his allegations that Mr. Trump asked Ukraine’s government to interfere on his behalf in the 2020 election. It also explains how Mr. Schiff knew to press for the complaint when the Trump administration initially blocked lawmakers from seeing it.”
Pelosi Says Trump Is Scared
October 2, 2019 at 2:20 pm EDT
Speaker Nancy Pelosi told ABC News that President Trump is “scared” of the impeachment inquiry she launched last week.
Said Pelosi: “I think the president knows the argument that can be made against him, and he’s scared. And so he’s trying to divert attention from that to where [he’s] standing in the way of legislation.”
"Stick to the topic instead of making personal attacks." Drunkard
Stating what you did here and on Facebook is not a personal attack. it is the statement of facts based on your actions/statements.
your statements of wealth where total bs.
no one goes from a networth well North of a million to evicted and in the street gutter.
Yet, you stated openly your struggle with Suicide and chronic depression.
CH unTRUTH DESPERATELY SAYS:
So does anyone actually believe that Roberts (as the trial judge) will allow hearsay evidence from an unidentified witness that will not make himself available to be cross-examined?
C'mon... get serious!
____________
Okay, I will not only get serious, I will get real:
The whistleblower will not need to be present or to present even one scrap of evidence. The evidence will come from those whom he/she named who were first-hand participants in, or observers of, what actually went on, what was said, what was done, and they will be surely be available for cross-examination.
One other little comment: Before this is over, it will INVOLVE A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN WHAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER SAID.
lol@James
Pompeio, in an earlier interview:
'I haven't read the transcript' [of the conversation.]
Why did he fail to mention that he had actually HEARD the conversation?
Big mistake. Big. HUGE.
The whistleblower will not need to be present or to present even one scrap of evidence. The evidence will come from those whom he/she named who were first-hand participants in, or observers of, what actually went on, what was said, what was done, and they will be surely be available for cross-examination.
I have no doubt that Adam Schiff will see to it that this guy stays totally hidden from view. The only reason is that we all know he is a Democratic operative and would be seen as a complete and total fraud if his identity was revealed.
But James....
You have to realize that Democrats do not control the Senate and will not control the Senate trial process. That trial will be run by Chief Justice Roberts and Mitch McConnell.
It will be run however they want to run it. I promise you that no Republican Senator will vote in favor of removal of the President based on second hand information.
You keep saying that this guy will lead us to people with real first hand experience, but so far there isn't even a hint of anyone. The only named source provided by the complaint has already stated that he was not himself privy to anything first hand.
There are only a handful of people who have first hand access. Most of those are Trump associates (like Pompeo) who will offer no more support for this than Pompeo has offered.
The others (who would have listened in on the conversation) would be facing criminal charges for leaking this information to people not authorized. They would also have to seek whistle blower status and attempt to remain anonymous just to save themselves from indictment.
Let's also not forget James... that the Whistle blower description of events does not match the description of the call by other members who were there (Pompeo, Zelensky) or the transcript of the call. So it's likely that he got this from a friend of a friend of a friend, and that anyone with an actual first hand account will be unwilling (for a variety of reasons) to step forward.
Roger Amick said
objection of justice
Our whole country was based on the rule of law but Roger continues to object.
and the "pastor" keeps preaching but nobody is listening. I find it so funny that he demanded CHT reply to his question multiple times so I went back to see what it was all about and found it wasn't even a question.
Obviously he doesn't read his own stuff, even if for once he wrote it himself.
ROFLMFAO !!! the left on this site are sure entertaining.
btw I think Adam Schiff is more likely, with all that is now coming out, lose his leadership position than this "inquiry" becomes a "proceeding"
Depends how much damage democrats want to do to themselves.
What a clusterfuck they have created.
Lil Scotty acting like pedantic loser stating the obvious again and ignoring that trump and his henchman are lying assholes with....
You have to realize that Democrats do not control the Senate and will not control the Senate trial process
Really Lil Scotty???? Nixon did not cave until the bitter end with the tapes.....the hoax BS is falling on many deaf ears as polls swing dramatically against the lying sack of shit trump.....
Holy shit batman, trumps signature achievement thanx to obama seems to have a problem!!!!!
S&P 500
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Dow 30
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Interesting weather report....forecast for tomorrow is that 52 US cities could break record October temperatures after US has warmest september evah.....Like everything else....that information is a hoax and does not mean anything except 2019 has a better than even chance of becoming the warmest year evah!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPEPLmTIrk8
How can any of you watch THIS and not be shaken right down to your bootstraps? This guy is SICK. He's his own worst enemy now.
When will the GOP intervene?
Let's also not forget James... that the Whistle blower description of events does not match the description of the call by other members who were there (Pompeo, Zelensky) or the transcript of the call.
_____________
Right, Ch, right. That conversation, as Trump just repeatedly said in an unhinged press conference (that is both embarrassing and scary) was PERFECT. I guess that's why numerous Trump people immediately started venting about how upset they were with it and even trying to put it where it could be kept hidden from the public.
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ChUNtruth said:
...the Whistle blower's description of events does not match the description of the call by other members who were there (Pompeo, Zelensky) or the transcript of the call.
JAMES SAYS:
So right now, Ch, I would like for you to QUOTE for us the exact portion or portions of the whistleblower's statement that do not match the transcript of the call.
And do please quote BOTH at length, comparing them.
You're right James..
Schiff is a low life and should resign from office. He went on national television and simply made up stuff as he went along! Disgraceful!
When will the Democrats intervene!
LOL
You didn't answer my question, Ch.
Schiff freely stated that anyone could compare what he said with the transcript and see that he was being satiricaland sarcastic (something Trump has REPEATEDLY done to others).
But now back to what I said to you.
Answer the LEGITIMATE challenge I just gave you.
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He went on national television and simply made up stuff as he went along! Disgraceful!
You mean like trump did today saying we were the only country providing significant money to Ukraine?????????? Like that Lil Scotty?????? BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! He is an embarrassment !!!!!
Adolf Trump
Leaked audio of a private event that Trump attended at the UN catches the president calling reporters animals and scum while threatening the Ukraine whistleblower with death.
The Los Angeles Times got the audio of Trump saying:
“Basically, that person never saw the report, never saw the call, he never saw the call — heard something and decided that he or she, or whoever the hell they saw — they’re almost a spy,” Trump said.
“I want to know who’s the person, who’s the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy,” he continued. “You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”
…..
“You know, these animals in the press,” Trump went on. “They’re animals, some of the worst human beings you’ll ever meet.”
“They’re scum,” Trump continued. “Many of them are scum, and then you have some good reporters, but not many of them, I’ll be honest with you.
Sarah Reese Jones
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@PoliticusSarah
Listen to Trump basically calling for the execution of the Ukraine whistleblower.
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The leaked audio is the clearest insight into Trump’s criminal mind in his own voice that has ever been published. Trump thinks that the whistleblower is a spy and wants him killed, and reporters are scum because they report the facts and hold him accountable.
Trump is a thug who is danger to his own country.
He has no respect for democracy, the law, freedom of the press, or his own oath of office.
The whistleblower is a hero because he is someone on the inside who went through the proper legal channels and exposed Trump for what he is.
It has been less than a day since impeachment was announced and Donald Trump has already gone full dictator to try to save his own skin.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-02/schiff-pelosi-trump-impeachment-inquiry
Schiff freely stated that anyone could compare what he said with the transcript and see that he was being satiricaland sarcastic
Or Schiff could have simply not made stuff up James.
Why is it that you believe Schiff decided to pretend that the President mentioned Biden 7 times (when he didn't) or that he asked for "dirt" on his opponent (when he neither asked for dirt or actually has an opponent) or that he misrepresented what Trump asked for with his "favor"?
Why completely misrepresent an entire call and then later call it parody and that people could cross check with the transcript? When he knows damned well that people are not going to go compare what he stated with the transcripts?
Are you seriously telling me that you believe that Schiff started off a hearing by telling everyone a joke that was supposed to be in good humor?
What kind of idiot would believe such nonsense?
rrb wants to be on the firing squad!
Scott A**hole would shout FIRE
Only an idiot can be distracted by the President who has violated the Constitution and for which it stands.
Except for Trump!
Donald Trump is guilty as fuck. Everyone knows it. What does he do? Talk of civil war and a coup. That fucker doesn’t care about America. About YOU and ME. He cares about himself and only himself. He has brainwashed millions and will destroy America to preserve himself.
IMPEACH.
https://youtu.be/MFhU6Qk_OIk
Listen to this Scott A**hole
@catturd2
President Trump has a 95% approval from Republicans ... yet all these fake polls are showing 25% of Republicans now support impeachment? LMFAO!
ONE WORD ... BULLSHIT!
@thebradfordfile
TO BE CLEAR --
The Chairman of the Intelligence Committee is colluding with the CIA to remove President Trump from office. This is no longer debatable...
ADAM SCHIFF IS A TRAITOR.
Trump is losing his mind! He’s channeling Richard Nixon when the noose was tightening and Nixon was becoming unstable!
I remember the Nixon tapes and this is the Coldheartedtruth he's nuts.
https://youtu.be/MFhU6Qk_OIk
@nytimes
Breaking News: The whistle-blower gave an early account of allegations against President Trump to a House aide who outlined it to Rep. Adam Schiff, who is now leading the impeachment inquiry
Brit Hume Retweeted The New York Times
This puts the whole impeachment inquiry in a new light. There’s no getting around the appearance that collusion-truther and Trump antagonist Schiff was a partner in this from the start.
@seanmdav
A noticeable omission from the NYT admission of the anti-Trump whistleblower's collusion with House Dems: the date when he or his colleagues first contacted Democrats on the House Intel Committee.
UNHINGED!!!!!!!! OFF THE RAILS !!!!!! MAD AS A WET HEN!!!!! WTF How can anyone with a lick of being conscious still support this lying sack of shit and his conspirators like the lying AG, SOS and VP,,,,,,all should be impeached!!!!!
@seanmdav
The federal intelligence community whistleblower law explicitly states intelligence community whistleblowers must formally go through the ICIG *before* contacting Congress. In fact, those very procedures are cited in the document you screenshat. https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1179472717856333824 …
In fact, while the URL at the bottom of the document screenshat by @BradMossEsq has apparently been defunct since 2017, here's what it used to say. It quoted the statute saying IC whistleblowers had to go through the ICIG before going to Congress.
This process is specific to the intelligence community, as the other congressional oversight committees crafted their laws to allow whistleblowers to go directly to Congress, rather than be filtered through or obstructed by the agency they're blowing the whistle on.
@Liz_Cheney
@SpeakerPelosi said on 60 Minutes last night she knew the details of the classified Ukraine call before White House released transcript. This is starting to seem like a political set up. So, Madame Speaker, “what did you know and when did you know it?”
https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1178626571013431296
4:04 AM - 30 Sep 2019
Sean Davis Retweeted Liz Cheney
Now we know how she knew.
Trump flailing and failing.......being king is hard work as he is finding out as the mantle of trump is exposed like a raw nerve!!!!!
@ltthompso
These are now two extremely obvious and dumb lies from Schiff: having proof of collusion (he didn’t) and denying he saw the whistleblower report early (he did). I can’t imagine his colleagues in either party trust him to be an honest broker.
I can't believe he will be allowed to continue in his role, except he is a democrat.
There are hundreds of proven lies by donnie the trump......and the dumb ass R's like Luke posted by the goat fucker prove over and over again the country does not matter to you......so sad!!!!!
@GOPLeader
BREAKING --> Chairman Adam Schiff just got caught orchestrating with the whistleblower before the complaint was ever filed. Democrats have rigged this process from the start.
Rep. Elise Stefanik Retweeted Kevin McCarthy
I’m glad that the question I asked last week has been answered. As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I’m extremely concerned with our Chairman’s increasingly reckless behavior.
Breaking News: The whistle-blower gave an early account of allegations against President Trump to a House aide who outlined it to Rep. Adam Schiff, who is now leading the impeachment inquiry
Brit Hume Retweeted The New York Times
This puts the whole impeachment inquiry in a new light. There’s no getting around the appearance that collusion-truther and Trump antagonist Schiff was a partner in this from the start.
It does look like a conspiracy to overthrow the duly and legally elected president of the United States.
It's a bad day for Nancy Pelosi when the press can legitimately asked "What did the speaker know and when did she know it."
It's a bad day for the media when they have to twist themselves in knots to not ask these questions.
It's a bad day for Roger, James, and Denny who mindless aped the talking points of this conspiracy without thinking.
The economy is collapsing.
Things seem bad across the board.
Here’s Bloomberg:
Results were disastrous for leading Asian automakers Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co., which both suffered double-digit declines that were worse than analysts anticipated. While a fuller picture will emerge Wednesday when General Motors Co. and Ford Motor Co. are due to report, the poor performance suggests that overall deliveries of cars and light trucks could come in worse than the 12% drop anticipated by analysts, based on six estimates.
The severity of the slide stokes fears that a long-anticipated car sales collapse may be arriving. The slowdown puts auto dealers already struggling with shrinking profit margins in an even more precarious position. With outgoing model-year vehicles clogging their lots, automakers had to pony up record incentives of more than $4,100 a vehicle in the third quarter, according to researchers at J.D. Power and LMC Automotive.
I won’t go into all the details here but there’s a ton more at Automotive News explaining how bad it was, brand by brand. Just read the headlines:
SUBARU: Streak ends at 93 months
TOYOTA-LEXUS: 17% drop as cars, trucks take hit
NISSAN-INFINITI: Weak light trucks deliver a big slump
HYUNDAI-KIA: Only Genesis posts gain
Now, now. Calm down everyone. Let's give Ch plenty of time to answer this, which he has not yet done.
ChUNtruth said:
...the Whistle blower's description of events does not match the description of the call by other members who were there (Pompeo, Zelensky) or the transcript of the call.
JAMES SAYS:
So RIGHT NOW, Ch,
I would like for you to QUOTE for us
the exact portion or portions
of the whistleblower's statement
that do not match the transcript of the call.
And do please quote BOTH at length,
so we can easily compare them.
@julie_kelly2
Now we know, as I point out here, why Atkinson—the IC IG—twice wrote to House Intel committee and not Senate Intelligence committee (which confirmed him) about his dispute with DNI over whistleblower claims...
https://amgreatness.com/2019/09/30/inspector-generals-ties-suggest-ukraine-scandal-is-just-more-collusion-hoax/
“During his Jan 2018 testimony to Senate Intel committee prior to his confirmation, Atkinson said if there was a dispute with the DNI about the veracity of a claim, he would ‘talk to this Committee if that situation arose to that level, to keep you informed about those events.’”
I asked Ch that an hour ago.
I am still waiting... waiting.... waiting...
patiently waiting....
I REPEAT, FOR THIS BEARS REPEATING:
Now, now. Calm down everyone. Let's give Ch plenty of time to answer this, which he has not yet done.
ChUNtruth said:
...the Whistle blower's description of events does not match the description of the call by other members who were there (Pompeo, Zelensky) or the transcript of the call.
JAMES SAYS:
So RIGHT NOW, Ch,
I would like for you to QUOTE for us
the exact portion or portions
of the whistleblower's statement
that do not match the transcript of the call.
And do please quote BOTH at length,
so we can easily compare them.
@ChuckRossDC
Re-up in light of State Dept IG holding an "urgent" meeting that seems to have been a bust.
The same IG failed to interview Jonathan Winer, Victoria Nuland and Kathleen Kavalec about State Dept's contacts with Christopher Steele
WOW !!!
@bennyjohnson
HOLY BOMBSHELL
"Whistleblower" leaked Trump-Ukraine allegations to @AdamSchiff BEFORE reporting it to Inspector General.
In doing so they broke multiple federal laws & are NOT subject to whistleblower protections.
They're Now facing federal prison:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/02/breaking-anti-trump-whistleblower-colluded-with-house-democrats-before-filing-complaint/
@almostjingo
At minimum @AdamSchiff MUST RECUSE you don’t get to handcraft a “crime” and also investigate it. He is unfit and compromised and shouldn’t be any part of #UkraineScandal they made @DevinNunes do it! #SchiffMustRecuse @HouseIntel
If he steps aside market will open up 500 points tomorrow. at least
JAMES SAYS:
So RIGHT NOW, Ch,
I would like for you to QUOTE for us
the exact portion or portions
Are you reading challenge James? You have the complaint and transcript right in front of you. You can't see for yourself.
I didn't know you only read at 1st grade level. But now it makes sense.
What kind of idiot would believe such nonsense?
the same kind of idiot who believes a NY Times story about trump wanting a "moot" full of snakes and alligators RIGHT ALKY???
@DailyCaller
Flashback to when @RepAdamSchiff said on MSNBC that "we did not speak directly to the whistleblower."
He also admitted that it would be against the law for the whistleblower to communicate with Congress.
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1179480466874875910
Results were disastrous for leading Asian automakers Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co., which both suffered double-digit declines that were worse than analysts anticipated.
Loses in world wide sales but not in the American market. As usual Roger doesn't tell the whole story.
Surprise! The Whistleblower Sent His Complaint to Adam Schiff First, Who Then Gave Him "Advice"
—Ace of Spades
A source tells me that this probably means the whistleblower is not a whistleblower, but just a leaker. To be a whistleblower, you have to go through prescribed steps.
Running to the hyperpartisan Adam Schiff to preview your info op isn't one of those steps.
"The Democratic head of the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Adam B. Schiff of California, learned about the outlines of a C.I.A. officer's concerns that President Trump had abused his power days before the officer filed a whistle-blower complaint, according to a spokesman and current and former American officials.
The early account by the future whistle-blower shows how determined he was to make known his allegations that Mr. Trump asked Ukraine's government to interfere on his behalf in the 2020 election. It also explains how Mr. Schiff knew to press for the complaint when the Trump administration initially blocked lawmakers from seeing it.
Before going to Congress, the C.I.A. officer had a colleague convey his accusations to the agency's top lawyer. Concerned about how that avenue for airing his allegations was unfolding, the officer then approached a House Intelligence Committee aide, alerting him to the accusation against Mr. Trump. In both cases, the original accusation was vague.
The House staff member, following the committee's procedures, suggested the officer find a lawyer to advise him and file a whistle-blower complaint. The aide shared some of what the officer conveyed to Mr. Schiff."
Remember when Fred Fleitz and others reported that, based on their long experience in national security and with whistleblowers, the "whistleblower" complaint did not read like any real whistleblower's complaint, but like something written by a Democrat lawyer for political impact?
Well, there you go. It reads like it was written by a partisan Democrat legislative aide because it was written by a partisan Democrat legislative aide.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/383563.php
Oh, Commensa, I am sure that Ch would just LOVE to back up what he said by making it so absolutely clear to us that no one could deny it, even people with a low grade of reading ability, as some here seem to have.
Or, if he is too "shifty" (ahem) to do it,
YOU could do it for him.)
(He must need help. It has taken him more than an hour to not answer.)
Loses in world wide sales but not in the American market. As usual Roger doesn't tell the whole story.
the draft dodging, pathologically lying alky prays for a recession yet claims to be a patriot.
LOL.
SO, ONCE AGAIN:
ChUNtruth said:
...the Whistle blower's description of events does not match the description of the call by other members who were there (Pompeo, Zelensky) or the transcript of the call.
JAMES SAYS:
So RIGHT NOW, Ch,
I would like for you to QUOTE for us
the exact portion or portions
of the whistleblower's statement
that do not match the transcript of the call.
And do please quote BOTH at length,
so we can easily compare them.
JAMES SAYS:
So RIGHT NOW, Ch,
I would like for you to QUOTE for us
the exact portion or portions
of the whistleblower's statement
that do not match the transcript of the call.
And do please quote BOTH at length,
so we can easily compare them.
go fuck yourself pederast, you child-raping piece of shit.
rrb said...
Surprise! The Whistleblower Sent His Complaint to Adam Schiff First, Who Then Gave Him "Advice"
—Ace of Spades
A source tells me that this probably means the whistleblower is not a whistleblower, but just a leaker. To be a whistleblower, you have to go through prescribed steps.
Running to the hyperpartisan Adam Schiff to preview your info op isn't one of those steps.
Adan is finally in a Schiffull of trouble. And now he has a history so everyone can figure out what he is doing.
lol
Rat, that is not an answer.
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huh. all those years and years of lying... all for naught.
learn to fucking code, assholes.
go fuck yourself pederast, you child-raping piece of shit.
This morning he was demanding an answer to a question that wasn't a question.
Can't make this shit up.
Adan is finally in a Schiffull of trouble. And now he has a history so everyone can figure out what he is doing.
he needs to live out his years getting raped 100 times/day in the AIDS wing of a federal pen.
i prefer traitors to be shot or hanged, but for him i'd make an exception.
Oh, Commensa, I am sure that Ch would just LOVE to back up what he said by making it so absolutely clear to us that no one could deny it,
Well no James he doesn't have to waste the time because everyone here knows what he said was true.
That is except for you who is in deep denial.
But you stamp your tiny little feet all you want James you'll just be ignored like the spoiled child that you are.
Now you may go back to your corner.
The Democrats Boldly Move Forward On Impeachment:
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Ben Domenech
@bdomenech
I remember when this was a conspiracy theory. Turns out: Nope, just a fact.
(link to NYT story)
Also: now clear that in addition to multiple falsehoods contained in the complaint, the whistleblower straight up broke the law.
I cannot believe Schiff was this stupid. I mean, I can, but still - the immediate publication, the lies to the media, the clear coordination - did he think no one would report it?
The guy went on national TV and said they'd had no contact with the operative at the same time they were directing him on how to craft the complaint. And now they're going to use that to impeach a president.
No one made Schiff do this. He chose to lie.
This is actually happening faster than I thought
Not sure what the dems can do though
Damn sure any meetings behind closed doors where he interviews parties without transcripts or recordings or Republicans and he comes out to address the press will not be believed by anyone.
except the lefties here. and that was his planned next step from what I understood.
Rat the dumb fuck gets caught by James and resorts to his tried and true R response...
go fuck yourself pederast, you child-raping piece of shit.
James wins and trump spins out of control and the world sees the mad man!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Too fucking funny!!!!!!
I cannot believe Schiff was this stupid. I mean, I can, but still - the immediate publication, the lies to the media, the clear coordination - did he think no one would report it?
[...]
No one made Schiff do this. He chose to lie.
but here's the best part -
poli-grip pelosi gave this assignment to pencil neck because she thought FAT JERRY the nadler would fuck it up.
LOL.
Well, Commensa,
you just admitted that you also can't do
what I requested Ch to do.
Maybe Rat would like to try. If he can quit cursing and calling ridiculous names long enough :-)
Or anybody.
I put it on the Bernie thread too for everyone's edification.
rrb said: but here's the best part -
poli-grip pelosi gave this assignment to pencil neck because she thought FAT JERRY the nadler would fuck it up.
LOL.
What's truly amazing is how weak the entire democrat leadership is. I mean you haven't even mentioned Elijah Cummings and Maxine Waters.
Of course their minions aren't capable of noticing.
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He sure knows how to use twitter, else the media would have won.
Only question left is when will Biden drop out?
What's truly amazing is how weak the entire democrat leadership is. I mean you haven't even mentioned Elijah Cummings and Maxine Waters.
well, here's the thing - i don't think there's an IQ above room temperature in the entire HOR congressional black caucus. so picking on those two stuttering fools just wouldn't be fair. too easy.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
Adam Schiff submitted a subpoena for the very document that he helped create, and stood in front of the American people and claimed he had no knowledge of this whistleblower.
This is an urgent matter
Only question left is when will Biden drop out?
when hillary tells him to.
rest assured, the feckless old cunt is going to run again. kamala-toe is sliding, bernie had a heart attack, wall street has already made it known that fauxcohantas is asshole-us non gratis. mary pete's fucking done, yang - done. spartacus is on life support, tulsi won't be allowed to be the nominee because she's sane.
who's left?
the feckless cunt who can't master a two-step flight of stairs and who wears picnic table cloths out in public.
yeah, i thinking there's going to be a rematch. the piece of shit has been making the talk show rounds with web hubbell's daughter so something is up.
@thebradfordfile
Adam Schiff now has more failed hoaxes than Jussie Smollett.
Adam Schiff now has more failed hoaxes than Jussie Smollett.
that's ray-ciss.
@Shem_Infinite
So if a CIA agent illegally leaks executive branch information to congress, before ever filing a whistleblower complaint, can we stop referring to them as a whistleblower and start calling them what they are? A spy!
@JohnWHuber
Can’t wait for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th “whistleblowers” to come forward a la Ramirez and Swetnick. Maybe Avenatti can join the legal team?
I'm sure that was the plan, except Avenatti
Blogger James said...
Well, Commensa,
you just admitted that you also can't do
Nobody told you you may leave your corner James.
Oh and no diddling with little boys.
President Pelosi?
Trump involved Pence in efforts to pressure Ukraine’s leader, though aides say vice president was unaware of pursuit of dirt on Bidens.
This is going to lead to impeachment of Vice president Pence too?
Everyone who gets involved with this President, they get pulled into the swamp created by the "stable genius".
In the press is today he called himself "stable genius".
His tweets were filled with allegations of treason and bullshit.
Get help.
I wasn't able to watch the fake news today. But I saw the press conference today and I saw a man who is feeling under pressure and it's apparent. He called the whistleblower a traitor. As well as any one who is critical of the President.
He's acting like a mod boss, who is intimidating potential opponents and reporters!
He's losing control of his temper.
Trump was absolutely giddy when he heard. You're such a tool Roger.
https://youtu.be/w-TXEYz-fuc
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