Now here’s the Senate minority leader, the lead impeachment manager, and the leading Democratic candidate for president all suggesting on the same day that approving a Bolton-for-Hunter deal won’t get Collins et al. any credit after all. They’ll be attacked anyway as Trump’s lackeys, muddying the waters about whether the president engaged in misconduct by introducing the Bidens’ ethical scruples into the mix, even though Bolton-for-Hunter is the best centrist Republicans can do realistically for Democrats. Any GOPer who agreed to subpoena Bolton without giving Trump his own pick of witnesses to call would be attacked as a traitor by the right. It doesn’t do a RINO any good to pander to moderate voters at the cost of enraging their base.
So if Collins can’t afford to call Bolton without calling Hunter but she also can’t call Bolton without being attacked by Democrats for also calling Hunter, what’s left for her except to say, “To hell with it”? Democrats won’t agree to her own conditions for a fair trial so maybe she’ll just end up doing what McConnell has wanted all along and decline to call any witnesses. Dems don’t want Hunter on the stand? Fine, no problem. Then no Bolton either. Proceed to deliberations.
Obviously, Joe obviously lacks the confidence that his son could be called to testify and not totally expose and humiliate him. They say Joe is just as adamant (if not more adamant) that he not be called as a witness himself. Apparently, he feels the better option would be to challenge Mitch McConnell and another McConnell family member to a dual push up contest.
Either way, this is becoming more about the politics and who is vulnerable to being called out. This is literally an abuse of power based on the very standards of the Democrat's own argument on impeachment. We are quite literally using impeachment entirely for political fodder, knowing that there is no way in hell that the President would actually be removed. The hypocrisy of demanding that investigations (that could harm a Democratic candidate) cannot be performed, while putting on this purely political dog and pony show on display (with every intention of harming people politically) is incredible. Perhaps the sheer over the top nature of the hypocrisy is how some are actually blinded by it.
Meanwhile!
If instead Joe is reluctant to that, Trump will spin it as proof that he and Hunter have something to hide — the same argument Democrats have made repeatedly about his refusal to let the likes of Bolton and Mulvaney testify. What’s the less risky option for Biden, to go answer questions in a deposition and hope that his testimony doesn’t come off as incriminating or to refuse to dignify the accusations (unless subpoenaed) and hope that people don’t conclude from his silence that he’s guilty of something?
I guess what is good for the gander is not good for the goose in this situation. The President is challenging Biden to a good old fashioned testimony contest. Perhaps Trump himself could offer testimony in exchange for Biden doing the same. Make it a two full day affair! How many questions does Biden want to answer about "his" quid pro quo demands in Ukraine? How much do Democrats really want to compare and contrast the two situations?
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Thursday, January 23, 2020
What do the Bidens have to hide?
How great this country can be without donnie the liar!!!!!!!!
What do the Bidens have to hide?
Unlike the Donald, NOTHING.
Don Jr testified for 20 hours.
Bidens are hiding.
The Bidens are the Corleones of Washington.
Trump is the would be Hitler/Putin/Kim of Washington.
And you're the obsessive fool of the internet
Don't believe me? Read this:
TOP REAGAN LAWYER Slams TRUMP AND BILL BARR
January 23, 2020 at 9:42 am EST
Former Reagan solicitor general Charles Fried tells Newsweek that President Trump is “perhaps the most dishonest person to sit in the Oval Office” and is “capable of doing serious damage.”
But he saves his harshest criticism for Attorney General William Barr:
Barr knows all of this. And he’s supposed to be a very moral man, and so on and so forth. But to be the apologist for perhaps the most dishonest person to ever sit in the White House? I mean, dishonest in the sense that he lies the way other people breathe. You would think that the project of protecting presidential powers would provide a worthier subject than that, particularly for a supposedly honorable man. But the fact is, all the honorable people in the Cabinet have left. And what you have left is people who are willing to say anything, as Barr is. And you saw the way he treated the Mueller Report, which he misrepresented, because that is what his boss would have wanted.
You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. His reputation is gone.
WHEN THE NATIONAL REVIEW COMES OUT AGAINST YOU--
Impeachment Doesn’t Require a Crime
January 23, 2020 at 9:52 am EST
The National Review pushes back against one of the main arguments President Trump’s defenders have made in recent weeks: The idea that impeachment requires a crime.
“Senate Republicans, by and large, have reached an unspoken consensus about President Trump and Ukraine.
He should not have put a temporary freeze on congressionally authorized aid to Ukraine,
should not have dabbled with using the aid to get Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden or
a nutty theory about Ukrainian hacking during the 2016 election,
and should not have kept defending his ‘perfect call’ as such.
At the same time, his conduct does not merit his removal from office — especially since voters will get to pass judgment on that conduct in a few months.
“It’s a reasonable position, and it’s the case that Republicans ought to make in public. They are inhibited from doing so by the president’s obstinacy. Instead of sticking to the most defensible case for a Senate acquittal of Trump, Republicans from the president on down are making arguments that range from the implausible to the embarrassing." BECAUSE RIDICULOUS.
HO HO HO So you are forced to lie WITH the liar.
History will not be kind, for it will all come out.
You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. His reputation is gone.
HOW TRUE about the "pastor"
OH DEAR owning the POS "pastor" and political_lire waterboy and buttlicker james boswell, normal, Illinois
and boy does he keep copying. sure is URGENT !!!
ROFLMFAO !!!
Geraldo Rivera praises Trump as 'civil rights leader': 'This rising tide is lifting all boats'
Shem Horne
@Shem_Infinite
"One ridiculous thing about adopting this Democratic framing about Republican senators to watch is that the House just had impeachment proceedings and not a single Republican joined them, no matter how much they dislike Trump..." Great article
https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/23/6-democratic-senators-to-watch-in-impeachment-trial/
OH DEAR owning the POS "pastor" and political_lire waterboy and buttlicker james boswell, normal, Illinois
ROFLMFAO !!!
John Cardillo
@johncardillo
PERSONNEL, PERSONNEL, PERSONNEL!!
A main reason @realDonaldTrump is being impeached is because Reince, John Kelly, & Co. never cleaned out the Obama holdovers and Never Trumpers.
They’re the ones fabricating scandals and evidence, then going to work for Schiff.
aided by HELL BENT "pastors"
OH DEAR owning the POS "pastor" and political_lire waterboy and buttlicker james boswell, normal, Illinois
Barely two weeks after Donald Trump took office, Eric Ciaramella – the CIA analyst whose name was recently linked in a tweet by the president and mentioned by lawmakers as the anonymous “whistleblower" who touched off Trump's impeachment – was overheard in the White House discussing with another staffer how to remove the newly elected president from office, according to former colleagues.
Sources told RealClearInvestigations the staffer with whom Ciaramella was speaking was Sean Misko. Both were Obama administration holdovers working in the Trump White House on foreign policy and national security issues. And both expressed anger over Trump’s new “America First” foreign policy, a sea change from President Obama’s approach to international affairs.
“Just days after he was sworn in they were already talking about trying to get rid of him,” said a White House colleague who overheard their conversation.
“They weren’t just bent on subverting his agenda,” the former official added. “They were plotting to actually have him removed from office.”
Misko left the White House last summer to join House impeachment manager Adam Schiff’s committee, where sources say he offered “guidance” to the whistleblower, who has been officially identified only as an intelligence officer in a complaint against Trump filed under whistleblower laws. Misko then helped run the impeachment inquiry based on that complaint as a top investigator for congressional Democrats.
The probe culminated in Trump’s impeachment last month on a party-line vote in the House of Representatives. Schiff and other House Democrats last week delivered the articles of impeachment to the Senate, and are now pressing the case for his removal during the trial, which began Tuesday.
The coordination between the official believed to be the whistleblower and a key Democratic staffer, details of which are disclosed here for the first time, undercuts the narrative that impeachment developed spontaneously out of what Trump's Democratic antagonists call the “patriotism" of an “apolitical civil servant."
Two former co-workers said they overheard Ciaramella and Misko, close friends and Democrats held over from the Obama administration, discussing how to “take out,” or remove, the new president from office within days of Trump’s inauguration. These co-workers said the president’s controversial Ukraine phone call in July 2019 provided the pretext they and their Democratic allies had been looking for.
“They didn’t like his policies,” another former White House official said. "They had a political vendetta against him from Day One.”
One of the best examples of what the National Review is talking about can be found in ChUNtruth's statement that "aid was not withheld." His arguments(?) at the end of the "Rhetorical Impeachment" thread are a textbook example of the extent that unprincipled Republicans are now willing to lie in sycophantic support of Trump's lies.
Boy did CHT DESTROY the "pastor"
EPIC, and either the "pastor" is deliberately LYING or is CLUELESS or both.
most likely - both
OH DEAR owning the POS "pastor" and political_lire waterboy and buttlicker james boswell, normal, Illinois
caliphate4vr said...
Barely two weeks after Donald Trump took office, Eric Ciaramella – the CIA analyst whose name was recently linked in a tweet by the president and mentioned by lawmakers as the anonymous “whistleblower" who touched off Trump's impeachment – was overheard in the White House discussing with another staffer how to remove the newly elected president from office, according to former colleagues.
Thanks, GREAT piece of reporting.
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Well Reverend Hypocrisy from the Church of Dishonesty!
The aid was provided (by law) to the Ukrainians by the dates that it was required to be there. There was no investigation into the Bidens or any announcement of any investigation into the Bidens.
Those are just facts, Reverend Hypocrisy!
They cannot be argued away... certainly not with a cut and paste.
If you don't understand this about me (by now), let me reiterate it so you are not mistaken. I don't give a bigger rat's ass what the media states. At best (and I mean at best) 50% of them will be wrong (because in every political stance there are always two sides taking two distinct positions and they both cannot be correct).
So if you listen to the media, they will get it wrong at least as often as they get it correct, and when it comes to Trump... the haters are hitting for an average that would embarrass the utility infielder that comes in the game for defense. If you compare and contrast what YOUR sources stated about what would come of the Russian Special Counsel, vs what DID come of it... you end up with Rachel Maddow dropping viewership in half because of all the credibility she lost!
So I COULDN'T CARE LESS what you cut and paste... because UNLIKE YOU, I am smart enough to either make up my own mind or read actual legal experts who tend to be "CORRECT" in their analysis over time.
iphate4vr said...
And you're the obsessive fool of the internet
While you are nothing more than a fucking loser drunken salesman with no future or actual skill !!!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Don Jr testified for 20 hours.
And lied just like the old man......BWAAAAAAAA!!!!
Biden's are hiding.
BWAAAAAAAAA!!!! What specifically are they hiding you dumb ass loser?????? Are they any way involved with donnie's fuck ups and are material witnesses????????
"Boy, did Ch drub you. Boy did Ch destroy you."
Really? Just go to his "rhetorical impeachment" thread and watch him drub and destroy himself with an irrational argument that makes no sense at all.
He tries to say that the Democrats are trying to impeach Trump for "something that never happened. Funds were not withheld."
Something that "never happened"? "Not withheld?"... Ask the Ukrainians who kept wondering about the desperately needed funds which Congress had approved for them to receive and asking why they were not receiving them. And then they started hearing what "favor" they absolutely HAD to do to receive those funds, and this they were told unmistakably and repeatedly by several of Trump's representatives, some like Giuliani sent outside the usual diplomatic channels and following Trump's direct orders.
But do lie on.
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