Tuesday, September 29, 2020

Let me be the very first to congratulate Joe Biden on his great debate performance!

 Best debate performance since Ronald Reagan!


Granted, the debate hasn't started yet, but I might as well jump on the bandwagon! 

We'll call this the great debate thread - have at it! 

52 comments:

Anonymous said...

Joe already has the questions.

I will not be watching any of it.

I will wait until Roger, James and Dennis give their views on how they did. They will be fair and keep their thumb off the scale.

Commonsense said...

Biden has already broke his promise to not use an ear piece.

So he's going to get his answers dictated to him.

Commonsense said...

Clinton order and approved of the Russian disinformation campaign against Donald Trump. Barack Obama knew and made the FBI and CIA available to her.

Wonder if Biden will get asked that.

Commonsense said...

Story:

BREAKING: Newly Declassified Documents Show Hillary May Have Set Up the Russia Hoax

Newly declassified documents from Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe show former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton may have set up the 2016 Russia investigation into the Trump campaign. The information was released Tuesday afternoon in a letter written to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham.

“In late July 2016, U.S. intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians' hacking of the Democratic National Committee. The IC does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication,” the letter states. “According to his handwritten notes, former Central Intelligence Agency Director Brennan subsequently briefed President Obama and other senior national security officials on the intelligence, including the ‘alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.’”

"On 07 September 2016, U.S. intelligence officials forwarded an investigative referral to FBI Director James Comey and Deputy Assistant Director of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok regarding ‘U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's approval of a plan concerning U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S. elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private mail server,’” the letter continues.

The information was released to the Committee after a request from Graham, who published the letter.


You can safely say that's a "Bombshell". The question is, what did Biden know and when did he know it?

Myballs said...

Media will ignore it

Commonsense said...
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Commonsense said...

<The media is embarrassed. Or at least they should. They got played. Maggie Halberman most of all.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-allegations-joe-biden-222034394.html?soc_src=yahooapp

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Townhall lolololol

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scott lied about a hearing aid.

I tweeted it but he ignored me because I caught him again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-allegations-joe-biden-222034394.html?soc_src=yahooapp

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Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Quote of the Day

“It’s debate night, so I’ve got my earpiece and performance enhancers ready.”
— Joe Biden, tweeting a photo of Apple headphones and Jeni’s ice cream.


lol lol lol lol lol

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I'm going to point out every single lie!

Caliphate4vr said...

If Biden comes out with his pants on, the LSM will declare a win

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

@joebiden


It’s debate night, so I’ve got my earpiece and performance enhancers ready. https://t.co/EhOiWdjh1b

JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...

Roger Amick said...
I'm going to point out every single lie!


that would be about every time you post

thanks 92 SAT

JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...

@joebiden

It’s debate night, so I’ve got my earpiece and performance enhancers ready.


True or False ?

Your first chance !!!

Anonymous said...

Joe will do very well tonight.
I have predicted it for 2 weeks .

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Intel chief releases Russian disinfo on Hillary Clinton that was rejected by bipartisan Senate panel


It’s very disturbing to me that, 35 days before an election, the director of national intelligence would release unverified Russian rumint,” or rumor intelligence, Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chairman Mark Warner (D-Va.) told reporters.

And several former senior intelligence officials described Ratcliffe’s move as incendiary and irresponsible, given the manner in which he was publicly releasing unverified information that originated from a foreign adversary.

The assessment claims that Hillary Clinton, then a Democratic candidate for president, personally approved an effort “to stir up a scandal against U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians' hacking of the Democratic National Committee.” But in his letter to Graham, Ratcliffe noted that the U.S. intelligence community “does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication.”

The Senate Intelligence Committee issued five reports on Russia’s sweeping effort to meddle in the 2016 election to boost Trump, ranging across thousands of pages. The panel was made aware of that allegation early on in its investigation, and quickly dismissed it, the sources said.

“I’m very, very proud of the bipartisan work of the Intelligence Committee — three and a half years, five volumes — and that work speaks for itself,” Warner said.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/29/john-ratcliffe-hillary-clinton-russia-423022

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

According to Ratcliffe, former CIA Director John Brennan briefed former President Barack Obama on the Russian assessment, which included the allegation that Clinton approved the plan to tie Trump to the hack of the DNC after it was proposed by one of her foreign policy advisers.

Asked about Ratcliffe’s claims, Nick Merrill, a spokesperson for Clinton, said in a text message that the allegations were "baseless bullshit."

A spokesperson for Brennan did not immediately respond to questions about Ratcliffe’s claims.

After receiving pushback against the declassified material, Ratcliffe said in a statement: “To be clear, this is not Russian disinformation and has not been assessed as such by the Intelligence Community. I’ll be briefing Congress on the sensitive sources and methods by which it was obtained in the coming days.”

Graham responded to his critics later Tuesday, saying that the veracity of the Russian intelligence assessment was irrelevant.


“I’m not saying whether it’s true or not,” Graham told reporters. “I’m asking Democrats, do you give a damn whether the FBI investigated it, or do you just care only about investigating Trump?”

When pressed on why he released the information even though it was unverified, Graham called it “the ultimate double standard.”

“They took the whole damn country through hell for two and a half years — and is it far-fetched to believe that the Clinton campaign would do something like this after Christopher Steele?” Graham said referring to the author of an unverified dossier of claims about Trump’s connections to Russia.

A former senior intelligence official said it was “a surprising choice to release this information — that is not new and that seems unconfirmed — now and in an unclassified letter,” adding: “I don’t know what good purpose is served.”

It has long been known that the Russians were trying to stir up false narratives about Clinton through similar avenues.


In recent days, Trump’s allies have been dripping out several disclosures related to the FBI’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, and other information aimed at denigrating Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.


Gotcha asshole

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://t.co/EhOiWdjh1b

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1311084592338735104?s=19

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump isn't happy

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Lie numbers one

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump is mad at Chris Wallace

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Biden won 1s topic

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump is going to call Chris Wallace a traitor

Caliphate4vr said...

Oh god, it’s like when the Alky thought he was live commenting on Obunghole’s inauguration

Come on Alky

How about a yo yo ma

Get a fucking life

American voters said...

Trump stomping Biden. Wow!

American voters said...

Trump just lowered the boom on Biden in that law and order speech. He was absolutely right.

Anonymous said...

Milk toast

"During Tuesday’s presidential debate, 2020 Democratic presidential nominee former Vice President Joe Biden refused to say whether he supports increasing the size of the Supreme Court or ending the filibuster if Supreme Court nominee Judge Amy Coney Barrett is confirmed because “Whatever position I take on that, that will become the issue.”

And will not list whom he would nominate.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump is fucking ridiculous

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump just defeated himself.

Commonsense said...

Na, didn't change any minds.

I think Cris Wallace was a bad moderator though.

Sean is spinning for Trump but Biden didn't do that bad. He met the low expectations he had.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

First 2020 presidential debate: Fact-checking Biden and Trump

As Trump and Biden attempted to make their points on the debate stage in Cleveland, NBC News fact checked their claims in real time.

President Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden traded rhetorical blows across the debate stage in Cleveland during the first presidential debate of the 2020 election. As they attempted to make their points heard on everything from the next Supreme Court nominee to Hunter Biden's business dealings, some of what they said stretched the bounds of the truth. A few claims were outright whoppers.

NBC News fact-checked their statements in real time. Please check back regularly for the latest updates.

Did Trump call veterans 'losers'?

Biden made this claim Tuesday evening, and it accurately reflects media reports citing multiple sources.

“And speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and just being suckers. My son was in Iraq. He spent a year there. He got the Bronze Star. He got a service medal. He was not a loser. He was a patriot, and the people left behind there were heroes,” Biden said, speaking of his son Beau Biden.

Biden appears to be referring to a recent report in The Atlantic, which zeroed in on Trump's rhetoric about service members. Citing four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussions, the magazine reported that Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018 because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain. The Atlantic then was first to report that in a conversation with senior staff members, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.”

Trump also reportedly called the more than 1,800 fallen Marines “suckers” for getting killed during the World War I battle. The Atlantic’s report was confirmed by the Associated Press, while the Washington Post reported similar rhetoric about fallen service members. The president denied The Atlantic report as “fake.”

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Did violent crime fall under Obama, rise under Trump, as Biden claimed?

On Tuesday night, Biden says, “Violent crime went down 17 percent, 15 percent in our administration. It's gone up on his watch.”

Biden's attack is half-true. Asked about this claim, the Biden campaign pointed to a FactCheck.org review of FBI violent crime data during the Obama administration that found that the violent crime rate fell nearly 16 percent when adjusted for population. While that number appears to check out, his attack on Trump is unfounded: While homicide has been on the rise, violent crime has remained largely flat under the Trump administration.



Did Biden call Black Americans 'superpredators'?

"Look at the crime bill, 1994, where you called them 'super predators,' African-Americans are 'super-predators,'" Trump said. "And they’ve never forgotten that."

This is mostly false. It was Hillary Clinton, then the first lady, who used the term "super predator" to advocate for the 1994 crime bill that Biden co-authored more than thirty years ago. Biden did warn of "predators" in a floor speech in support of his bill, however.



Did Trump pay 'a total of $750 in taxes,' as Biden claimed?

Biden, during a prolonged exchange over the amount of federal taxes Trump has paid, said, "this guy paid a total of $750 in taxes."

Trump retorted by saying, "I've paid millions of dollars in taxes, millions of dollars of income tax."

Biden's claim accurately reflects new reporting by The New York Times for the years 2016 and 2017.

Trump’s federal income tax bill was just $750 dollars the year he won the presidency, The New York Times reported after obtaining and reviewing more than two decades of the president’s tax information. During his first year in office, his bill remained $750. The information does not include his returns from 2018 and 2019.

According to The Times, Trump had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years prior to 2016, because he reported losing much more money than he made during that time. NBC News has not seen or verified any of the documents reported by The Times.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Does Trump support cutting police funding?

"His budget calls for a $400 million cut in local law enforcement assistance," Biden said Tuesday night, reiterating his own opposition to defunding the police.

This is mostly true, though Biden actually undercounts the proposed cuts. While Trump has opposed calls from some Democrats to reduce police funding in response to the death of George Floyd and other Black Americans over the summer, the Trump administration’s budget proposal does indeed call for big cuts for several police programs. In the Justice Department’s budget plan for fiscal year 2021, the Trump administration requested $1.51 billion for over 50 programs funding state and local law enforcement. That number cuts about $515 million from previous fiscal years, in part by slashing budgets for a number of Obama-era programs, including initiatives that provided body cameras for police officers.


Could Biden have fixed the tax code in a way to prevent Trump from taking advantage of it?

During an acrimonious exchange, the president defended himself for his reportedly low tax bill by suggesting that if Biden wanted Trump to have not taken advantage of the tax code, then he should have taken action to fix it during his tenure in the U.S. Senate.

"The tax code that put him in a position that he pays less tax than a school teacher is because of — he says he’s smart because he can take advantage of the tax code. And he does take advantage of the tax code," Biden said.

Trump replied, "But why didn’t you do it over the last 25 years? Why didn’t you do it over the last 25 years?"

In reality, despite being in Senate for 36 years, Biden was never technically in a position to re-write the federal tax code.

While in the Senate from 1973 to 2009, Biden was chair of the Judiciary and Foreign Relations committees and had no direct hand in writing tax laws. That’s the job of the Senate Finance Committee.

Trump, on the other hand, takes advantage of several loopholes to avoid paying taxes, including some for which he personally lobbied.

Among them is a law passed in 1986 to limit investors not actively involved in a business from taking deductions and attributing losses against their income. An “at-risk” rule was also added to prevent a taxpayer from deducting losses greater than their investment. But Congress largely exempted real estate developers, like Trump.

At the same time his Atlantic City investments were suffering, Trump appeared before Congress in 1991 to advocate for “tax shelters” that would “incentivize” “investment in real estate” to help boost the economy during the recession.



Commonsense said...

Trump is Trump but it would have been better if Wallace allow Trump to rebut. (He allow Biden to rebut with unlimited time)

Wallace's cringe-worthy moment was when he call critical race theory "racal sensitivity training". Trump slapped him dow when called the theory racist.

Biden appeared weak when he said the reason why he didn't call Democrat governors and mayors to tell them to stop the violence is because "he didn't hold public office". He's leader of his fucking party.

He was also weak when he didn't say if he would pack the supreme court or name his list of supreme court candidates.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Were Trump's claims about Hunter Biden's foreign business dealings true?

Trump and his allies have attacked the former vice president's son, Hunter Biden, for his foreign business dealings.

On Tuesday, Trump echoed one of the biggest claims from the recent Senate GOP Homeland Security Committee's "conflicts of interest investigation" into Hunter Biden — Trump claimed on the debate stage that "the mayor of Moscow's wife gave your son $3.5 million. What did he do to deserve it?"

The report, authored by Republican Sens. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Chuck Grassley of Iowa, claimed that Elena Baturina, the former wife of the late former mayor of Moscow, wired $3.5 million to a firm associated with Hunter Biden.

Hunter Biden’s legal team told NBC News that Biden had "no interest" in that firm that received the money, so "the claim he was paid $3.5 million was false."

And on the debate stage, the former vice president said the claim had been "totally discredited."

The Senate GOP-led "conflicts of interest" report largely resurfaced outstanding allegations, specifically as to Hunter Biden’s role on the board of a Ukrainian energy company as well as what the committee called “questionable financial transactions between Hunter Biden and his associates and foreign individuals.”

Largely focusing on those optics, the report doesn’t say that Hunter Biden’s work changed U.S. policy. Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates slammed the report as an “attack founded on a long-disproven hardcore right-wing conspiracy theory” that Johnson “has now explicitly stated he is attempting to exploit to bail out Donald Trump's re-election campaign."



Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

How many people are there in the U.S. with pre-existing conditions?

Trump and Biden came out of the gate with conflicting statements over how many people in the U.S. have pre-existing conditions. Biden said there are 100 million such people — and that they would lose their health care coverage should the Affordable Care Act be eliminated. Trump insisted Biden's number was wrong.

“There's 100 million people who have pre-existing conditions and they'll be taken away as well,” Biden said. Trump shot back, “There aren’t 100 million people with pre-existing conditions.”

Studies on the topic show a range that would technically make both men correct.

The Kaiser Family Foundation estimated in 2018 that at least 53.8 million adults under had a pre-existing condition that would make them unable to buy insurance.

Another study, conducted by Avalere, a health care consulting firm, estimated that 102 million Americans had a pre-existing condition that would make them unable to buy insurance.

A 2017 study from the Department of Health and Human Services estimated that about 133 million people had a pre-existing condition that would make them unable to buy insurance.



Do GOP health plans protect people with pre-existing conditions, as Trump claimed?

Trump said Tuesday, "Obamacare is no good. We made it better. And I had a choice to make very early on. We took away the individual mandate. We guarantee pre-existing conditions."

It's true that Republicans eliminated Obamacare’s individual mandate — a provision designed to force people to purchase healthcare coverage or pay a fine through their taxes — as part of its 2017 tax bill. But Trump is wrong on the point of pre-existing conditions. We’ve fact checked this at length before, and it’s still false.

Trump has long insisted that he and the GOP will protect people with pre-existing conditions from losing their health insurance — but he has pursued legislation, litigation and executive actions to dismantle those protections under the Affordable Care Act.

A Republican bill backed by Trump included ACA state waivers that would allow insurers to charge higher prices to people with pre-existing conditions, potentially pricing them out of the market. It passed the House and died in the Senate in 2017. Trump has also used executive actions to expand the use of short-term insurance plans that aren't required to cover pre-existing conditions.

Trump recently signed a symbolic executive order affirming the protections Obamacare created, but his administration is backing a Republican-led lawsuit claiming the actual protections in the law should be struck down. Republicans have yet to offer a plan that would restore pre-existing conditions protections.



Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Did Trump correctly characterize Biden's health care plan?

Trump, during a testy exchange about health care, said of Biden's health care plan, "the bigger problem that you have is you're going to extinguish 180 million people with their private health care that they're very happy with."

This claim is false. It conflates Biden’s plan with that of other Democrats pushing “Medicare for All.”

While there are varying estimates about how many Americans have private insurance, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services estimates that about 180 million people have private insurance.

Biden’s plan doesn’t end private insurance, like some of Biden's other Democratic presidential primary opponents proposed. Instead, Biden's health care plan creates a public option for those who want to get government health insurance while allowing those with private insurance to stay on their plan.

Many Republicans have sought to tie the proposals for "Medicare for All" to all Democrats — and it is true that many Democratic members of Congress are sponsoring the bill (118 in the House and 14 in the Senate).

But Biden has criticized "Medicare for All" throughout his campaign.



Will a GOP lawsuit 'strip 20 million people' of their insurance, as Biden claimed?

Biden claimed that the Republican-backed lawsuit targeting the Affordable Care Act would strip 20 million people of their health care.

This checks out, according to multiple studies. The Center for American Progress estimates 23.3 million would lose their health care if the GOP-backed legal challenge to the law succeeded before the Supreme Court in a recent analysis. An estimated 20 million people gained coverage under Obamacare, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Were Trump's claims about Hunter Biden's foreign business dealings true?

Trump and his allies have attacked the former vice president's son, Hunter Biden, for his foreign business dealings.

On Tuesday, Trump echoed one of the biggest claims from the recent Senate GOP Homeland Security Committee's "conflicts of interest investigation" into Hunter Biden — Trump claimed on the debate stage that "the mayor of Moscow's wife gave your son $3.5 million. What did he do to deserve it?"

The report, authored by Republican Sens. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Chuck Grassley of Iowa, claimed that Elena Baturina, the former wife of the late former mayor of Moscow, wired $3.5 million to a firm associated with Hunter Biden.

Hunter Biden’s legal team told NBC News that Biden had "no interest" in that firm that received the money, so "the claim he was paid $3.5 million was false."

And on the debate stage, the former vice president said the claim had been "totally discredited."

The Senate GOP-led "conflicts of interest" report largely resurfaced outstanding allegations, specifically as to Hunter Biden’s role on the board of a Ukrainian energy company as well as what the committee called “questionable financial transactions between Hunter Biden and his associates and foreign individuals.”

Largely focusing on those optics, the report doesn’t say that Hunter Biden’s work changed U.S. policy. Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates slammed the report as an “attack founded on a long-disproven hardcore right-wing conspiracy theory” that Johnson “has now explicitly stated he is attempting to exploit to bail out Donald Trump's re-election campaign."


Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Did Trump lower drug prices?

“I'm cutting drug prices. I'm going with favored nations which no president has the courage to do because you're going against big pharma. Drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90 percent,” Trump said on Tuesday night.

“He has no plan for health care,” Biden argued. “He hasn't lowered drug costs for anybody.”

Numerous fact checks found that there's no evidence that Trump's policies have meaningfully slashed drug prices, as he's repeatedly claimed, let alone "80 to 90 percent."

Brand name drug prices are on the rise, too.



Were there really 'no negative effects' from Trump's rallies, as he claimed?

Trump just said that "we've had no negative effect" from coronavirus at his rallies, a claim that ignores the spate of Covid-19 cases that have been linked to those campaign events.

A handful of Trump's own campaign staff tested positive for Covid-19 in the days surrounding his late-June rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma, including members of the Secret Service. Former Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain tested positive days after the rally and ultimately died due to complications from the virus. While Cain attended the rally and was photographed without a mask on, it's unclear where he contracted the virus.

Tulsa's top health official said that the rally "likely contributed" to a surge in cases after the rally.



Did Trump accurately characterize the Obama administration's response to swine flu?

"Well you didn’t do that well on swine flu, H1N1, you were a disaster. Your own chief of staff said you were a disaster," Trump said to Biden Tuesday night.

Trump's exaggerating here. Ron Klain, Biden’s former chief of staff, has criticized the Obama administration's swine flu response, not Biden specifically.

“We did every possible thing wrong — 60 million Americans got H1N1,” he said at a biosecurity summit in May 2019. “It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck.”

Klain later told Politico his comments referred to the administration’s difficulties producing enough of the vaccine they developed, and argued the Obama team quickly adapted to the pandemic — quickly responding and distributing supplies from the federal stockpile, for example — and made very different choices than the Trump administration.

It's also worth noting that the swine flu is estimated to have killed 12,000 in the U.S., far smaller than the more than 200,000 who have died of Covid-19 to date. The Obama administration also received generally high marks for its response to the swine flu. While government reports after the fact identified room for growth they also highlighted successes, like rapid research and development of a vaccine that arrived in less than six months. There’s little contemporaneous reporting on the Obama administration response that portrays the kind of unmitigated disaster Trump is suggesting occurred.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

How many people are there in the U.S. with pre-existing conditions?

Trump and Biden came out of the gate with conflicting statements over how many people in the U.S. have pre-existing conditions. Biden said there are 100 million such people — and that they would lose their health care coverage should the Affordable Care Act be eliminated. Trump insisted Biden's number was wrong.

“There's 100 million people who have pre-existing conditions and they'll be taken away as well,” Biden said. Trump shot back, “There aren’t 100 million people with pre-existing conditions.”

Studies on the topic show a range that would technically make both men correct.

The Kaiser Family Foundation estimated in 2018 that at least 53.8 million adults under had a pre-existing condition that would make them unable to buy insurance.

Another study, conducted by Avalere, a health care consulting firm, estimated that 102 million Americans had a pre-existing condition that would make them unable to buy insurance.

A 2017 study from the Department of Health and Human Services estimated that about 133 million people had a pre-existing condition that would make them unable to buy insurance.



Do GOP health plans protect people with pre-existing conditions, as Trump claimed?

Trump said Tuesday, "Obamacare is no good. We made it better. And I had a choice to make very early on. We took away the individual mandate. We guarantee pre-existing conditions."

It's true that Republicans eliminated Obamacare’s individual mandate — a provision designed to force people to purchase healthcare coverage or pay a fine through their taxes — as part of its 2017 tax bill. But Trump is wrong on the point of pre-existing conditions. We’ve fact checked this at length before, and it’s still false.

Trump has long insisted that he and the GOP will protect people with pre-existing conditions from losing their health insurance — but he has pursued legislation, litigation and executive actions to dismantle those protections under the Affordable Care Act.

A Republican bill backed by Trump included ACA state waivers that would allow insurers to charge higher prices to people with pre-existing conditions, potentially pricing them out of the market. It passed the House and died in the Senate in 2017. Trump has also used executive actions to expand the use of short-term insurance plans that aren't required to cover pre-existing conditions.

Trump recently signed a symbolic executive order affirming the protections Obamacare created, but his administration is backing a Republican-led lawsuit claiming the actual protections in the law should be struck down. Republicans have yet to offer a plan that would restore pre-existing conditions protections.



Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Did Trump correctly characterize Biden's health care plan?

Trump, during a testy exchange about health care, said of Biden's health care plan, "the bigger problem that you have is you're going to extinguish 180 million people with their private health care that they're very happy with."

This claim is false. It conflates Biden’s plan with that of other Democrats pushing “Medicare for All.”

While there are varying estimates about how many Americans have private insurance, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services estimates that about 180 million people have private insurance.

Biden’s plan doesn’t end private insurance, like some of Biden's other Democratic presidential primary opponents proposed. Instead, Biden's health care plan creates a public option for those who want to get government health insurance while allowing those with private insurance to stay on their plan.

Many Republicans have sought to tie the proposals for "Medicare for All" to all Democrats — and it is true that many Democratic members of Congress are sponsoring the bill (118 in the House and 14 in the Senate).

But Biden has criticized "Medicare for All" throughout his campaign.



Will a GOP lawsuit 'strip 20 million people' of their insurance, as Biden claimed?

Biden claimed that the Republican-backed lawsuit targeting the Affordable Care Act would strip 20 million people of their health care.

This checks out, according to multiple studies. The Center for American Progress estimates 23.3 million would lose their health care if the GOP-backed legal challenge to the law succeeded before the Supreme Court in a recent analysis. An estimated 20 million people gained coverage under Obamacare, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Commonsense said...

Did Trump correctly characterize Biden's health care plan?
Trump, during a testy exchange about health care, said of Biden's health care plan, "the bigger problem that you have is you're going to extinguish 180 million people with their private health care that they're very happy with."
This claim is false. It conflates Biden’s plan with that of other Democrats pushing “Medicare for All


Trump is in fact correct. Biden's plan will be Medicare for All. Bernie Sanders and AOC will make sure of it.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Your congratulations were correct, Ch:

Political Wire
Instant Poll Finds Biden Won Tonight’s Debate
September 29, 2020 at 11:21 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard

A CBS News instant poll finds 48% think Joe Biden won tonight’s debate, 41% think Donald Trump won and 10% think it was a tie.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Chris Wallace was deficient in one thing. He should earlier on absolutely have insisted on NO interruptions during each persons two minutes of time.

Biden would have looked even better then.

Note how many times Biden looked at the camera right into the eyes of the American electorate, as if he cared for our people.

Trump never did. He was almost always talking to and arguing with either Biden (mostly) or Wallace (some).

Commonsense said...

Numerous fact checks found that there's no evidence that Trump's policies have meaningfully slashed drug prices,

This is not a fact check. It's a subjective opinion.

Brand name drug prices are on the rise, too.

Which is an irrelevant statement since 95% of prescription drugs are generic.

However, Trump has the right strategy. Using regulation reform and the buying power of the federal government to lower drug prices. Which is a great help. Especially for seniors citizens who's the largest consumers of prescription drugs and is the single largest line item in their monthly expenses;

Commonsense said...

Bongino makes the rare valid point. He thinks it's this is a base election and that Trump's strategy was to fire up his base while getting Biden to alienate has base. And I think he's succeeded.

He got Biden to back off on Medicare for All.
Got Biden to back off on the green new deal.
Got Biden to refuse to commit to packing the court or naming liberal judges.

Things that won't make his base happy,

Commonsense said...

Chris Wallace was deficient in one thing. He should earlier on absolutely have insisted on NO interruptions during each persons two minutes of time.

Biden interrupted Trump several times with personal insults and say c'mon man.

Chris Wallace would find the no interruption rule easier to enforce if he allowed rebuttal. But more often than Wallace wouldn't allow it moving along to the next question.

Also two-minuets uninterrupted is long to answer a question. If you can't answer the question in 30 seconds then the question is two vague or you don't know the answer.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

I heard on the radio that Trump interrupted Biden SEVENTY-FIVE times! I don't know how many times Biden interrupted Trump, but it was considerably less than that, as Chris Wallace told Trump at one point.

Commonsense said...

That means Joe Biden lied seventy-five times.